Juno News - June 07, 2022


The global elites’ attempt to subvert our democracy is in plain view

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In this episode, Rupa Subramanya explores the relationship between the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland and the World Health Organization in Geneva, Switzerland, and the Trudeau government's relationship with both organizations. She asks the question: Should we allow international organizations to have outsized influence over what we do here in Canada?

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00:00:00.000 Hello, everyone. I am Rupa Subramanya. It's great to have you here for my first ever podcast with
00:00:11.800 True North. I'm so glad you've taken a few minutes out of your busy day to tune in.
00:00:17.840 I'm super proud to be associated with True North, which has carved out an important place in the
00:00:22.800 independent media landscape in Canada as a voice of reason and common sense in an otherwise largely
00:00:29.800 woke and hysterical mainstream space. It's truly a privilege for me to be associated with them
00:00:35.700 and to launch this podcast under their banner. As for me, some of you will know me from my writing
00:00:42.720 for the National Post, and some of you will know me from my coverage of the Freedom Convoy protests
00:00:48.400 that took place right here in Ottawa this past winter. Some of you may know me from Twitter,
00:00:54.120 where I'm fairly active. Some may even say hyperactive. So do check me out there if you
00:00:59.400 haven't already done so. So the Rupa Subramanya show will be all about debating ideas and arguments,
00:01:07.740 asking the big questions that matter to all Canadians. It will tackle issues that large
00:01:13.560 sections of our liberal elite and the mainstream space are afraid to tackle. There's a woke liberal
00:01:20.620 narrative out there on everything under the sun. And except for some brave folks, like in the
00:01:26.300 independent independent media space, there's very little pushback. Here we will push back using
00:01:34.040 common sense and reasoning from a pragmatic perspective. So without any further delay, let's
00:01:40.160 jump into our first topic. All right, so for our first topic, should we allow international organizations
00:01:47.260 or private clubs that masquerade as international organizations to have an outsized influence on what
00:01:53.860 we do here in Canada? The two outfits that I have in mind that were in the spotlight recently
00:01:59.840 were the World Economic Forum meetings at the ski resort of Davos in Switzerland and the World Health
00:02:06.780 Organization's annual assembly meetings down the road in Geneva. But first, for those of us not well
00:02:14.480 versed in the three-letter jargon of international organizations, let's just call it UN speak. What is the
00:02:21.460 World Economic Forum and the World Health Organization? The World Economic Forum sounds like an international
00:02:28.600 organization, like it's part of the UN, and that's deliberate. But guess what? It's an entirely private
00:02:36.440 club started by the German entrepreneur and academic Klaus Schwab way back in 1971. It was originally called the
00:02:45.380 European Management Forum, which basically served as a lobby group for European businesses. But Schwab had grander
00:02:52.520 ideas. Europe was too small. He wanted to take on the world. So the name changed to the World Economic Forum. And now the
00:03:01.440 mission was to save the world, because the world needs saving. And they have their annual meetings at a famous Swiss ski
00:03:08.840 resort called Davos. The place has essentially now become synonymous with the World Economic Forum meetings. And the
00:03:15.680 World Economic Forum is now the world's glitziest networking event, not just for business leaders, but for
00:03:22.720 politicians and other global elites. Everything from star academics and Hollywood celebs and everyone in
00:03:31.060 between shows up to these meetings every year. Now, as for the World Health Organization, this is a bona fide
00:03:37.860 international organization under the ages of the UN. But there's a big difference from most of the UN, which is that they
00:03:45.360 receive a lot of private money. So here's a fun fact. After the US government, which is the biggest donor, the second
00:03:53.280 biggest donor is not a country, but it's actually a foundation, a private foundation, the Bill and Melinda Gates
00:03:59.740 Foundation. So the World Health Organization gets heavily influenced by the agendas of their donors. We know that Bill Gates
00:04:07.860 has very strong opinions on public health issues. It goes back to the time of the HIV epidemic, where his
00:04:15.760 foundation, I believe, overhyped the disease in places like India, distracting from more pressing public health
00:04:24.100 concerns. More recently, the Gates Foundation has been very aggressive advocate for COVID-19 vaccination. And that's shown up in the
00:04:34.860 World Health Organization's recommendations, and has no doubt influenced national governments around the world, including the Trudeau government in Canada.
00:04:43.860 So what is the Trudeau government's connection to the World Economic Forum and World Health Organization? You might ask, well, who really cares?
00:04:53.860 The reality is that the Trudeau government is very intimately tied to both outfits, the World Economic Forum and the World Health Organization.
00:05:02.860 First, the World Economic Forum. Canada has actually given taxpayers money to the tune of $3 million this past fiscal year to the World Economic Forum. By no means is Canada alone in this. Other national governments have also done so.
00:05:17.860 But what I find glaring and problematic here is the fact that Canada's Deputy Prime Minister, Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland, actually sits on the Board of Trustees, which is the top governing body of the World Economic Forum.
00:05:32.860 And she's the only serving minister of any country who is on their board. I happened to discover this entirely by chance, and I wrote about it for the National Post back in 2021.
00:05:44.860 I'm truly amazed that this is not considered conflict of interest because the World Economic Forum, let's face it, takes very strong and radical left wing positions on a range of issues from climate change to stakeholder capitalism.
00:05:59.860 Stakeholder capitalism, for example, is a fancy way of saying we got the Anglo-American free market capitalism and put everyone else from trade unions to NGOs to politicians on an equal footing in governing a company. How absurd is that?
00:06:15.860 There are also proponents of something called the Great Reset, which involves all of the above that I just mentioned.
00:06:22.860 Look, if Freeland were a private individual, none of this would be an issue. She could serve on any board she wants to. 0.96
00:06:28.860 But being the Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister of Canada, she's accountable to the people of Canada who certainly did not elect a government to pursue these radical left wing agendas, ideas.
00:06:40.860 Just take an example. Let's say a health minister sat on the advisory board of a pharmaceutical company.
00:06:47.860 Wouldn't that be a bad look?
00:06:49.860 Ironically, Freeland, before she became a politician, was a journalist and she was a vocal critic of the World Economic Forum.
00:06:58.860 She wrote a famous book about them, calling them plutocrats. But here we are today. She's one of them now, as is Mark Carney, former governor of the Bank of Canada and the Bank of England, who sits on the board of the World Economic Forum, while at the same time he serves as UN special envoy on climate change.
00:07:18.860 So when he was governor at the Bank of England, he pushed very aggressively to bring climate change under the remit of the central bank, which is really bizarre to say the least, because central banks are supposed to pursue monetary policy and inflation, not climate change.
00:07:35.860 But Carney now, back in Canada, is a big player and a possible future finance minister and even prime minister in a post-Trudeau liberal government.
00:07:47.860 As for the World Health Organization, Canada has pretty much stuck to the script set by them in responding to the pandemic.
00:07:54.860 We've had some of the most stringent and ridiculous rules of any country around the world, barring, of course, Australia and New Zealand.
00:08:01.860 Well, almost everyone else is getting rid of their vaccine mandates in the vaccine passport system.
00:08:06.860 The Trudeau government clings to them even going against scientific consensus that vaccine mandates make no sense anymore.
00:08:14.860 Even Bill Gates has said as much at the World Economic Forum meetings.
00:08:18.860 A few days ago, the Conservatives brought in a motion in the House of Commons to do away with federal vaccine mandates.
00:08:25.860 But of course, it was overwhelmingly defeated by the liberal NDP alliance.
00:08:30.860 Meanwhile, the World Health Organization is cooking up this global cohort, a treaty which would bind member countries to do the World Health Organization's bidding in a future pandemic.
00:08:43.860 So now to talk about the World Economic Forum and the World Health Organization is none less than Jeffrey Tucker, who many of you will know.
00:08:52.860 Jeffrey is founder and president of Brownstone Institute, an NGO focused on public health, economics and freedom.
00:08:59.860 He's a well-known critic of the World Health Organization and the World Economic Forum.
00:09:03.860 He speaks widely on economics, technology, social philosophy and culture.
00:09:08.860 He's the author of several books, the most recent one being Liberty or Lockdown.
00:09:13.860 It's a privilege to have him on my podcast.
00:09:16.860 Jeff, welcome to the show.
00:09:17.860 It's my pleasure to be here.
00:09:19.860 Thanks so much for inviting me.
00:09:20.860 And I'm glad you want to talk about this important subject.
00:09:23.860 It is. It is a very important subject.
00:09:25.860 And I hopefully will cover a lot of ground today.
00:09:28.860 So let me start with the World Economic Forum.
00:09:31.860 Now, despite what the World Economic Forum says about itself, they claim to be an international organization.
00:09:37.860 But we all know it's a private outfit for the rich and the powerful to network.
00:09:41.860 Yet it's given this outsized influence by governments, by big companies and other global elites.
00:09:47.860 And you have this guy, Klaus Schwab, a German academic and entrepreneur.
00:09:53.860 I think you've described him as a as a Bond villain, or at least he'd be a great choice as a Bond villain.
00:09:59.860 You know, he's sitting on top of this mountain complex with grandiose ideas of changing the world, saving the world.
00:10:07.860 And, you know, he says things like we've penetrated governments around the world.
00:10:13.860 The future is built by us, by a powerful community, as you as you hear in this room.
00:10:19.860 I think he said that most recently at the World Economic Forum meetings last week.
00:10:23.860 This guy has a radical left agenda of stakeholder capitalism.
00:10:28.860 Great reset.
00:10:29.860 And I believe these are things that could potentially destroy the foundations of Anglo-American free market capitalism and individual liberty.
00:10:37.860 How did we allow this to happen?
00:10:39.860 How did we allow the World Economic Forum to have this outsized influence on how we govern our lives? 0.61
00:10:47.860 We're more and more tending towards an oligarchic system where the ruling class and the upper classes tell everybody else what to do.
00:10:55.860 They think they have they have more resources.
00:10:57.860 They think they're smarter than us.
00:10:59.860 And they think that that they're all going to be more powerful if they get control of governments.
00:11:03.860 And they've succeeded to a surprising extent and doing exactly this.
00:11:08.860 And and, you know, these days you appeal to this upper set, this tiny sliver, the 1%, 0.84
00:11:16.860 by having ever better fancier parties with ever fancier guests and that sort of thing.
00:11:22.860 They all want to hang around each other.
00:11:24.860 So it's a bit of a social cultural thing for these for these guys.
00:11:28.860 And then they all pretend to be enormously powerful, you know, whether and to what extent that's true.
00:11:33.860 You know, I don't know, but no question.
00:11:35.860 Klaus Schwab has mastered the art of illusion that leads to some extent to a reality.
00:11:43.860 But it's a very dangerous vision they have for our lives, which, you know, it's not really about our rights and freedoms.
00:11:51.860 You know, that's not the thing.
00:11:53.860 They they believe that they can be the central planners of the economy and the masters of the universe.
00:12:00.860 And they're going to get together and do this.
00:12:02.860 And, you know, it's a sincere belief.
00:12:04.860 Unfortunately, true that very rich, powerful people like this eventually find themselves in their own little little bubbles of opinion.
00:12:13.860 They just talk to each other and they don't, you know, they don't want to be around anybody else, really, you know.
00:12:20.860 So this is what Davos has really come to.
00:12:23.860 It's gravely embarrassing.
00:12:25.860 And, you know, the other thing is that the world economic form has become a sort of a venue for the world's most powerful capitalistic or private companies.
00:12:37.860 In this case, I'm a pharmaceutical industry.
00:12:40.860 So they're really pushing a global subscription model for for vaccines.
00:12:49.860 So, you know, we all every month have to pay for our vaccines and then head down to the drugstore and have get our shot that the elite scientists say we have to get.
00:12:58.860 This is what and I'm not making this up and you can go to the World Economic Forum's website and see this is exactly what you know.
00:13:06.860 So we'll get to that a little later in the show.
00:13:08.860 I just you know, this is pushing back against stuff that I've written myself.
00:13:13.860 Are these people really all that powerful?
00:13:16.860 You know, I feel like they've managed to achieve very, very little given their grand agendas, or maybe you think they've achieved much more than meets the eye.
00:13:26.860 It's not for lack of trying. What do you what do you think about that?
00:13:32.860 Yeah, I think a lot of it is is illusion. I think they tend to take credit for everything that's going on around them and they, you know, they're, you know, it's like, you know, in the 90s when we had a lot of terrorist bombings, you know, Al Qaeda would always say we did that we did that.
00:13:48.860 So that's a little bit of economic forum, you know, everything that happens, they're like, Oh, we did that.
00:13:54.860 So they enjoy being kind of scary and alarming people.
00:14:00.860 I don't know, you know, I sometimes I think that a lot of it is illusion.
00:14:05.860 And there's no question in my mind that that they've lost a lot of battles to, for example, the vaccine mandates and passports all throughout Europe and the Americas.
00:14:17.860 They wanted those things. They've all they've been repealed, basically all over the world, except for maybe Canada.
00:14:24.860 But so the World Economic Forum really lost that that debate.
00:14:29.860 So public public anger terrifies them.
00:14:33.860 Well, so I guess I mean, I guess, you know, they should just be honest about where they're coming from, right?
00:14:39.860 We're just going to this big party at this fancy Swiss ski resort at taxpayers expense in some cases.
00:14:48.860 We're just there to network with other rich and powerful people.
00:14:52.860 Perhaps this is how they could be, you know, they should be a little honest about this.
00:14:57.860 And and maybe that would be closer to the truth.
00:15:01.860 Yeah, it's just a country club of some sort.
00:15:04.860 But but, you know, for for these people, you know, once you have enough money, it's not very satisfying.
00:15:10.860 What you want, aside from money, is power, right?
00:15:15.860 So so that's what World Economic Forum offers all these people.
00:15:19.860 It's like where you can hang around with fancy people, wear fancy clothes and eat good food and and spend a lot of money.
00:15:26.860 But what does that get you if you're not running the world?
00:15:28.860 So the World Economic Forum gives them the opportunity to pretend like, you know, with the thing that always surprises me is the number of people who accept the invitation to become, you know, a fellow or a member of the World Economic Forum.
00:15:42.860 And you don't even understand.
00:15:45.860 Like I noticed that, of course, Biden and is and, you know, and so on and so on.
00:15:50.860 But Elon Musk is. 1.00
00:15:51.860 Now, if I were Elon Musk and I got an email from Klaus Schwab saying I'd like you to be part of the World Economic Forum, I'd say I'd just delete it and say, well, you're an idiot. 1.00
00:15:59.860 You know, I don't have time for that. 0.99
00:16:01.860 I wish more of these people would do that.
00:16:03.860 Right.
00:16:04.860 But, you know, going back to the agenda of the World Economic Forum, you know, when you when you think about vision, for example, and you even a vision, you work towards it year after year for decades.
00:16:17.860 So, you know, when you look back at history, if you look at the National Socialists or the Communists, for example, they were fighting the battle of ideas for the hearts and minds of people for decades long before the rise of the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany, for that matter.
00:16:32.860 So, you know, and here we have an example here in North America, people who advocated against smoking, for example, worked on this for decades before it actually became before they actually got their way.
00:16:45.860 So would you say that bit by bit Schwab and his network are working towards this goal, towards a goal where they're doing it incrementally so as not to scare people off?
00:16:54.860 And, you know, and to borrow a term that I've heard from former Prime Minister Stephen Harper, former Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, it's a bit like relentless gradualism.
00:17:06.860 You have a goal, but you move towards it slowly but surely.
00:17:10.860 Would you agree with that?
00:17:12.860 I think that's exactly what they have in mind and they've got a long term vision.
00:17:16.860 And my guess is that right now they're very angry about all the things that they've lost.
00:17:22.860 Now, keep in mind, though, that they have won a lot, too.
00:17:25.860 I mean, for example, I can't travel outside of the United States and get back into the country without taking a COVID test.
00:17:33.860 Now, that's that's and I have to pay for it myself.
00:17:35.860 That was inconceivable, you know, just three years ago that we would have had those kind of conditions for coming into this country as citizens themselves.
00:17:45.860 So there's all kinds of freedoms we've given up that we have not come anywhere near to say nothing about the fact that it's children in New York schools are masked or that, you know, now we have a CDC that believes that that that that, you know, it's all powerful and they can put anybody in mask and attend they want.
00:18:02.860 So there's a lot of really bad things that have happened, but they've also lost a lot, too.
00:18:08.860 I'm thinking that their ideas that they just want to buy their time until the population settles down and then start all over again.
00:18:15.860 And I think that's exactly what they have in mind, which is why the citizens of this world need to be alert to this and prevent this from happening.
00:18:27.860 And we've had a great deal of success so far in dialing back some of their plans that they've had for us.
00:18:34.860 So far, we've been pretty darn successful, but they're going to start waiting again the second we relent.
00:18:40.860 Right. And, you know, back here in Canada, I don't know if you're aware of this, but our deputy prime minister and finance minister, Chrystia Freeland, sits on their advisory board.
00:18:51.860 She was a former journalist. She went from being one of their biggest critics.
00:18:55.860 She wrote this book about them, calling them plutocrats.
00:18:59.860 Now she's on the board of trustees of the World Economic Forum, the top governing body of this organization.
00:19:05.860 I'm amazed that this is not seen as considered as conflict of interest under Canadian law.
00:19:11.860 What is your take on politicians getting involved with with these private clubs?
00:19:16.860 You know, that pretend they're international organizations.
00:19:19.860 They have completely explicit collectivist agendas.
00:19:23.860 And when this is pointed pointed out, those of us pointing this out are labeled conspiracy theorists.
00:19:31.860 But, you know, as you said, I mean, you don't the agenda is right on their website.
00:19:35.860 You just have to go to the World Economic Forum and you can see that they're saying exactly this.
00:19:40.860 So what do you what do you say about people who, you know, consider themselves centrist and moderates when they call the rest of us conspiracy theorists for pointing out what is actually factual?
00:19:50.860 Well, I like your idea here.
00:19:52.860 I think it seems to me it's a good agenda for the future that we should start shaming these people for their associations more and more.
00:20:00.860 And, yeah, they're going to call you a conspiracy theorist. But but if if, you know, one person gets 10,000 notes saying how dare you be associated with the World Economic Forum, they might rethink their renewal of their membership.
00:20:12.860 Think, well, this is getting too costly for me because these people want to be like they want to be popular.
00:20:16.860 So if they get shamed for their associations, I think that would be good. 1.00
00:20:21.860 I mean, we could bring down the World Economic Forum just through that means alone.
00:20:25.860 If if there's a higher cost to being associated with them, then they get benefit.
00:20:30.860 They'll resign and go. I think that would be absolutely brilliant.
00:20:33.860 So thank you for that suggestion. I really I think it's a good one.
00:20:36.860 And yeah, they will call you all kinds of names, but it's ridiculous.
00:20:40.860 I mean, Brownstone is a as a reputable organization with a with a with a reputation to uphold because of all the high level scientists,
00:20:50.860 with which we're associated. But we've been very aggressive on on the World Economic Forum and the World Health Organization and all these topics.
00:20:59.860 If I can document what they're doing, then I don't have a problem running an article about it.
00:21:03.860 So I like contributing to this to the I guess, for lack of a better term, public anger.
00:21:09.860 I think it's important. I mean, the anger is effective and we can't figure out any other way to control them.
00:21:16.860 So why not through anger?
00:21:18.860 And I think it's it's important to point these potential conflicts of interest, especially if you are a politician, if you're a finance minister of a country and you sit on the board of a private club.
00:21:30.860 The optics of that look terrible, in my opinion. And and I have no idea why that is not a bigger concern here in Canada.
00:21:38.860 I mean, it just it's very perplexing. But it is very frustrating.
00:21:42.860 I know what you mean. Like here in the United States, we have we have the the cooperation between big pharma, big government and and the FDA and the regulators is so tight.
00:21:57.860 And so open and so obviously corrupt.
00:22:04.860 I mean, it's actually one of the disturbing aspects of this is that they're so sure they can get away with it that they don't even feel the need to hide it anymore.
00:22:12.860 So I think that's an opportunity for us. Let's let's do the research, document it, write articles and see if we can get a real movement going going on here.
00:22:24.860 OK, so changing gears just a bit, you know, pivoting to the World Health Organization, you've expressed concerns about the World Health Organization, as many of us saw the onset of the pandemic.
00:22:38.860 The World Health Organization essentially believed every word communist China told them and even adopted China's zero covid approach.
00:22:47.860 Should we be concerned, you know, Canadians, Americans, particularly because our countries work so closely with the World Health Organization?
00:22:56.860 It's a very different organization than it was decades ago when the World Health Organization's main job, I guess you could say, was to promote smallpox vaccination around the world.
00:23:10.860 Right.
00:23:11.860 And they in that sense that they made a really important contribution to its eradication.
00:23:16.860 I mean, you know, they would go go around, you know, especially, you know, in the in the 70s, in the 1980s, 60s and 70s, poor countries and helping their their medical systems and the doctors and the nurses get access to good supplies and educate people about what they know about the science involved and so on.
00:23:39.860 It was very good organization really served a very important function.
00:23:46.860 And I had no particular reason to be disturbed by the World Health Organization, even in 2019.
00:23:52.860 I I didn't really see that there was anything going wrong.
00:23:55.860 In fact, their pandemic plans never called for lockdowns.
00:23:59.860 They were really against travel restrictions.
00:24:02.860 They didn't think you should close schools in the event of a virus or anything like that.
00:24:06.860 But something happened.
00:24:09.860 I don't know if it was when Tedros took over or but China got its hooks in there sometime in late 2019, early 2020.
00:24:21.860 And by certainly by the middle of February, the World Health Organization had turned itself entirely over to being a Communist Party propaganda outfit.
00:24:32.860 And the World Health Organization deserves, I would say, a huge part of the blame for the for the lockdowns, because what happened is they cooperated directly with the Chinese Communist Party to set up a kind of travel junket by scientists in the US and in Europe and with WHO.
00:24:57.860 And that lasted from about February 16 to February 24.
00:25:02.860 And what happened is the CCP brought this team of people into the in there and went to five cities and said, Oh, look, we eradicated COVID through our brutal treatment of our population, locking everybody in their homes and shutting everything down.
00:25:17.860 But it worked. And the World Health Organization, you know, fools, got a report two days after the end of all those meetings and said, That's right, they did it the right way. 0.80
00:25:30.860 WHO knows how to control SARS-CoV-2 that I mean, that report is still on their their website today is written by an American, by the way, who works for WHO graduate of Stanford University. 0.78
00:25:46.860 So but but but but that report was very crucial to inspiring lockdowns that happen all over the world.
00:25:59.860 And so and so and so at that point, you could look at that point, you could look to the World Health Organization and say, See, this is what they're recommending that we follow the CCP model and that's when they went to Trump.
00:26:18.860 That's that's what they how they persuaded them. They said, Look, there's this fancy powerful man in China who eradicated the virus. She can do the same thing.
00:26:32.860 And this is exactly what the World Health Organization is recommending. Look at this report.
00:26:37.860 So that's kind of intimidating and kind of scary. And so Trump reluctantly agreed and then the rest is history.
00:26:45.860 So I think the WHO deserves a lot of the blame for what happened.
00:26:49.860 No, absolutely. I'm 100 percent.
00:26:51.860 You know, I 100 percent agree with you. Why do you suppose China has this outsized influence on the World Health Organization?
00:26:57.860 They're not the biggest donor to the World Health Organization. What is behind this?
00:27:02.860 I don't know. Nobody's ever asked me that before.
00:27:05.860 Just thinking through it quickly, the largest donor to the World Health Organization is, of course, Bill Gates.
00:27:11.860 He's the second largest donor. The largest donor is the U.S. government.
00:27:18.860 He's the second largest non-governmental donor.
00:27:21.860 That's right. Well, the largest non-governmental donor is Bill Gates. Right.
00:27:25.860 Yeah. So and probably he developed some really close ties with China over the course of his business career.
00:27:35.860 You know, I really don't have an answer, but that's my first thought.
00:27:39.860 I know for sure the Gates Foundation and the CCP have worked very closely together.
00:27:44.860 There's networks of scientists and institutional connections there with vaccine with vaccine companies.
00:27:50.860 So may have something to do with that, but I don't I'm not entirely sure.
00:27:56.860 The other thing that's interesting is is that recently there's been a fissure opened up between the World Health Organization, the CCP and Tedros.
00:28:08.860 They've been arguing with each other back and forth because Tedros criticized the Shanghai lockdowns for going too far, something like that.
00:28:19.860 Right. And and so and then with all these amendments that to the international health regulations proposed by the U.S., the CCP really objected to them.
00:28:31.860 And that was a major reason why they were mostly withdrawn.
00:28:35.860 So there seems to be some. Oh, the other thing is that the Chinese Communist Party blocked searches for Tedros's name.
00:28:47.860 That was last month within China because.
00:28:51.860 Yeah, because Tedros was criticized Shanghai.
00:28:54.860 So there seems to be some differences of opinion have opened up.
00:28:58.860 So there are some fissures that we're seeing.
00:29:01.860 Yeah, I think so. But I mean, my own personal view is that the U.S. and Canada, every country in the world should just pull out of the WHO until they get their act together again and start promoting public health instead of running these political rackets all over the world like has happened.
00:29:17.860 Something corrupted that institution very, very deeply.
00:29:21.860 And and I don't think I mean, they they deserve primary responsibility for for massive collapse in public health and so many disasters over the last two and a half years.
00:29:34.860 They just there needs to be some sort of accounting until there is.
00:29:37.860 I don't see how any government should be a part of it.
00:29:40.860 And if in the U.S., I promise you, if somebody like DeSantis gets to be president, we'll be pulled out of there in no time.
00:29:47.860 And I think that's good.
00:29:48.860 Well, I mean, we're doing the opposite, right?
00:29:51.860 We're we're we're actually advocating this global pandemic treaty from the World Health Organization.
00:29:57.860 And that is a treaty that concerns me as well.
00:30:00.860 And the pushback that I've received in criticizing the treaty is that, look, no one's putting a gun to your head.
00:30:07.860 No one's putting a gun to anyone's head.
00:30:09.860 Nations sometimes voluntarily seed a national sovereignty, you know, a piece of their national sovereignty when they sign on to treaties like this with international or transnational organizations, perhaps because it's in everyone's interest to do so.
00:30:25.860 So there are some obvious examples of this NATO, which was a bulwark against communism.
00:30:31.860 And then you had the GATT, which became the World Trade Organization, which, despite its many failings, I think has contributed to global prosperity by by ensuring there's a modicum of free trade in the system.
00:30:43.860 I personally feel that these organizations have done some good and they've served a purpose, but still do.
00:30:50.860 But the World Health Organization is a different beast altogether.
00:30:53.860 You know, for one thing, as you said, they've gotten everything wrong about the pandemic.
00:31:00.860 They're highly politicized.
00:31:02.860 They have this outsized influence from China and from the Gates Foundation.
00:31:06.860 And so why should we trust the World Health Organization in getting this right?
00:31:12.860 I think you're correct.
00:31:14.860 There are good treaties and bad treaties and international cooperation for trade and peace is great.
00:31:20.860 international cooperation for lockdowns is not great.
00:31:23.860 And the problem is that any signatory country to the World Health Organization Treaty is now going to feel this.
00:31:32.860 It's going to be more difficult to resist lockdowns in the future.
00:31:36.860 Just to give you an example, Sweden never locked down.
00:31:40.860 OK, but one of the reasons they didn't is they they were having diplomatic struggles with China at the time.
00:31:48.860 They didn't trust the information coming out.
00:31:51.860 They didn't believe it.
00:31:52.860 So they went the opposite opposite way.
00:31:54.860 Every nation that signs on to this WHO treaty will then feel the kind of this default obligation to go along lockdown for the next time as if they're codified into the world system.
00:32:07.860 That's just what we do in the case of a pandemic.
00:32:11.860 And if you're a politician who doesn't agree with that, so it becomes really dangerous for you because you're not just standing up to other politicians in your country.
00:32:21.860 Now you're standing up against, you know, the prestigious, wonderful science filled World Health Organization.
00:32:27.860 So this treaty is an extreme danger.
00:32:32.860 And you're right. It's it's not it's not like it takes away your sovereignty.
00:32:36.860 It just makes it more difficult to exercise it.
00:32:38.860 Yeah. And I mean, we exactly.
00:32:41.860 And, you know, I think there's been some pushback by countries around the world.
00:32:47.860 There's a lot of concern about what that would actually mean, you know, in responding to a future pandemic.
00:32:55.860 Clearly, the World Health Organization is flawed to the coordinating agency for, you know, for a global response.
00:33:03.860 The question, I guess, is do we really even want a global solution to this that involves some international coordination or are we better off if each country does its own thing?
00:33:16.860 In the United States, we have a system that's called federalism here, where every state was able to do its own thing.
00:33:22.860 It's the only thing that saved us because, you know, North South Dakota never locked down at all.
00:33:29.860 And then and then Georgia was the first state to open after about a month.
00:33:33.860 And then Florida came later, a couple of months later, and then Texas came after that.
00:33:37.860 And all these states have very good records in terms of COVID mortality.
00:33:43.860 But then also they didn't destroy their economies fundamentally.
00:33:46.860 So now they're they're economically prosperous and doing well.
00:33:51.860 And other states like like New York and California are suffering terribly.
00:33:57.860 So we need that kind of decentralized approach.
00:34:00.860 I agree with you. We don't need a coordinated.
00:34:02.860 This is one of the things that you always get from these people like, well, we need more coordination and we need more centralization.
00:34:08.860 We need more centralized solutions.
00:34:12.860 I think you're right. The opposite is true.
00:34:15.860 We have too much centralization and too much planning from the top.
00:34:18.860 It's very dangerous because when they get it wrong and it goes wrong for everybody.
00:34:22.860 Yeah.
00:34:23.860 But if it's decentralized, then you have experimentation and pandemic response will always require that kind of experimentation because knowledge unfolds in real time.
00:34:34.860 You don't you don't know just because a pathogen has a name exactly what the demographics of impact are going to be.
00:34:43.860 You don't know the therapeutics necessarily.
00:34:45.860 Exactly.
00:34:46.860 You don't know.
00:34:47.860 You don't know.
00:34:48.860 You don't know what the case fatality rate or the infection fell out of fatality rate is, or the existing, existing serial prevalence data.
00:34:55.860 We don't. I mean, even today, we don't know precisely when the very first infection of SARS-CoV-2 is was or where.
00:35:05.860 So it's there's a lot you don't know in the midst of pandemic.
00:35:10.860 When there's that kind of uncertainty, you need decentralized experimentation more than anything else.
00:35:15.860 So I agree with you.
00:35:16.860 I mean, the World Health Organization could be a good organization if it really did promote things like, you know, disease eradication through safe and effective, well-tested vaccines and that sort of thing.
00:35:29.860 That's that's a role for that, but but it's not in promoting this political agenda that they started doing.
00:35:38.860 Yeah. I mean, my own opinion is that I think we need some minimal amount of international coordination, but not through a binding treaty, but maybe perhaps through some voluntary agreement of some sort where, you know, there's a lot of information sharing between countries.
00:35:53.860 Yeah.
00:35:54.860 But I agree with you, a more decentralized approach would make more sense.
00:35:58.860 But, you know, even if a country signs on to this binding international treaty or any international treaty for that matter, it can always revoke it and simply assert its national sovereignty.
00:36:10.860 And an example of this is the Schengen, a Schengen area in Europe.
00:36:15.860 The Schengen treaty essentially allows members to cross borders pass without a passport.
00:36:22.860 But yet in the spring of 2020, each country or many countries in the Schengen region just decided that their national interest was took priority and they closed their borders.
00:36:34.860 And the Schengen treaty was seen as sacrosanct.
00:36:38.860 Yet this happened in the spring of 2020, shortly after the pandemic was declared.
00:36:43.860 So I guess I guess my point is, should we should we you know, why should we worry about this World Health Organization treaty?
00:36:52.860 Because ultimately, countries will do what they want or should we be worried that a bureaucrat sitting in Geneva will tell us what to do, even if it doesn't make any sense?
00:37:02.860 Well, because we'll all be forced to go along with it.
00:37:05.860 Well, the problem is in those kind of disease panics.
00:37:07.860 And you remember this when when everybody's terrified of the new pathogen, you've got enough to worry about to deal with that.
00:37:16.860 You don't want to also have to waste all your political capital arguing against something that's coming down from them.
00:37:22.860 And the World Health Organization will be an organization to amplify the lockdown message.
00:37:26.860 So they'll make their pronouncements. It's pandemics time to lock down.
00:37:30.860 The New York Times will get involved and the Toronto.
00:37:33.860 So, you know, so you the media will jump on that broadcast that.
00:37:37.860 Well, they'll try to intimidate the politicians. 1.00
00:37:39.860 It just becomes more difficult for them to resist these these commands from the top.
00:37:46.860 I you know, you're right about information sharing.
00:37:48.860 People should be encouraged to share information.
00:37:50.860 And that's that's if that's all the treaty was about.
00:37:54.860 I mean, you know, one of the things that was terrible in China is that we were getting really good information in in early January and by late January was all shut down.
00:38:04.860 Right. So they shut their scientists down. 0.99
00:38:06.860 We were getting so if the if the treaty is about, you know, urging nation states to share information with each other in the interest of public health globally, that's that's worth doing.
00:38:17.860 It's it's not a good treaty if it's urging one single policy response that we know it doesn't work.
00:38:23.860 And here's the other thing that scandalizes me about this treaty is, you know, they're still arguing for what they call a whole of society, whole of government approach to pandemics.
00:38:32.860 OK, that's code word for lockdowns.
00:38:35.860 And so that's that's what the treaty is is is pushing, despite all the carnage, all the disasters, the unworkability of anything.
00:38:44.860 And we have all the science to show that the nations of lockdown didn't do any better than those.
00:38:51.860 And not even China, right, than those who stayed open and China never got rid of SARS-CoV-2, contrary to what every expert has claimed for two years.
00:39:03.860 We see it's popped it all over the place. It's in 30 cities already.
00:39:08.860 And that's going to. But so here you have the WHO.
00:39:13.860 So why are they still pushing lockdowns after all this? And I think it has something to do with politics.
00:39:18.860 They they have this political agenda. I mean, lockdowns have been great for governments around the world to assert their power over individuals and over political communities.
00:39:28.860 They just want more of it. Right. So final question, Jeff.
00:39:32.860 You know, I used to look at these organizations like the World Economic Forum and the World Health Organization is fairly innocuous.
00:39:39.860 I wasn't really paying much attention to them. And then my thinking really changed after the pandemic.
00:39:45.860 And I kept reading and reading and I kept looking at what was happening around me.
00:39:49.860 And something just wasn't adding up. And I started questioning these organizations more and more.
00:39:55.860 Did that happen to you? When did your thinking about these organizations change or did you always view them as, you know, being these organizations that were, you know, sort of plotting behind the back, you know, in the background and, you know, trying to change our lives and trying to save the world?
00:40:13.860 I'm trying to I'm trying to remember when Trump proposed that the US pull out of the WHO.
00:40:19.860 I don't remember when that was, but whenever that was, it might have been in 2020, but it might have been shortly after the pandemic.
00:40:27.860 Yeah. Well, so just to show you, we'll compare our level of naivety here.
00:40:33.860 I was unaware at that time of the WHO role in pushing lockdowns.
00:40:40.860 So I didn't really agree with Trump on this because I think diplomacy is a good thing.
00:40:46.860 There's no reason to attack these organizations.
00:40:49.860 I think he knew something I didn't know.
00:40:52.860 I've been scared about lockdowns for 15 years because I knew that these plans were in place and I've been writing about this for 15 years.
00:41:01.860 And even from January 2020, I was sounding the alarms that we could be locking down.
00:41:10.860 I had no idea just how ferocious it would be, but I knew that there was a possibility.
00:41:15.860 I just didn't, it took me a long time to figure out the role of the WHO.
00:41:21.860 So I believe for a very long time, even though I was writing about this stuff daily, I believed it was all a mistake.
00:41:31.860 You know, it was just all just kind of people had a bad idea in their heads.
00:41:35.860 They thought they were going to suppress the virus.
00:41:38.860 They should have known better and that the world would wake up to realize that Sweden took the right path and we'd open up all the economies by the summer of 2020 and deal with this as a normal textbook pathogen.
00:41:51.860 And that kept not happening.
00:41:53.860 So my, my knowledge of just how deep and rotten everything was, was gained over two years, really.
00:42:01.860 It took me a long time to realize.
00:42:02.860 And even on the WHO, I think it was, it wasn't really until fairly recently.
00:42:08.860 I fully had the full sense of, and it was when I discovered and looked into this junket that they took in mid February, that's when I changed my mind.
00:42:18.860 I realized, oh, they've been promoting this stuff from the very beginning.
00:42:22.860 In fact, that was probably the main impetus for lockdowns.
00:42:26.860 That's a, that's a shock to me.
00:42:28.860 And given that, I think that's enough reason for the US to pull, for any country to pull out.
00:42:34.860 No, you're the organization that, that suggested this catastrophic pandemic response.
00:42:39.860 For that reason, we don't want anything to do with you.
00:42:42.860 That's a good enough reason alone.
00:42:44.860 Yeah, I, I think they should be held to account.
00:42:47.860 The fact that we're now pushing this pandemic treaty on the world suggests to me we're moving in the opposite direction.
00:42:55.860 In, you know, that's not a good place to be in.
00:42:59.860 But Jeff, I mean, I, this was a great conversation.
00:43:03.860 I'm afraid I have to leave it there, but I really appreciate you coming on my podcast and, and I hope we can chat again sometime soon.
00:43:11.860 I hope, I hope so too. And thank you for your wonderful work that you're doing on this.
00:43:15.860 It's going to take all of us and as many voices we can gather to think seriously about these questions and, and never give out or give up hope.
00:43:24.860 Our voices do matter in this great struggle.
00:43:26.860 So thank you for having me.
00:43:27.860 And please continue your work as well.
00:43:29.860 And I look forward to chatting with you soon.
00:43:32.860 Very good. All the best.
00:43:33.860 Okay, take care folks in conclusion.
00:43:36.860 The bottom line is that there's nothing wrong with participation in or support of international organizations or international cooperation for that matter.
00:43:46.860 So long as it's in our nation's interest.
00:43:49.860 Canadians pay taxes and elect our leaders to work in our interests, not in the interests of faceless, nameless and unaccountable global bureaucrats sitting in Geneva or global elite with an extreme radical left wing agenda.
00:44:05.860 Um, for example, on climate change, sitting in Davos, the attempt by global elites to subvert Canada's democracy is fully on and in plain view.
00:44:15.860 This is not a conspiracy theory.
00:44:17.860 Just check the World Economic Forum's website, and they're pretty explicit about their agenda and their goals.
00:44:24.860 But we should decide if we want to buy into this agenda.
00:44:28.860 I don't.
00:44:29.860 But do let me know what you think.
00:44:31.860 And I hope to see you next time.
00:44:54.860 Thank you.