The government is expanding and advocating for euthanasia (Ft. Angelina Ireland)
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Candice Malan is joined by Angelina Ireland, President of the Delta Hospice Society, a non-profit organization dedicated to providing palliative care for the dying, and fighting for natural end-of-life values.
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Canada is among a handful of countries to offer euthanasia services, and now the Trudeau
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government wants to expand doctor-assisted suicide to those suffering from mental health
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issues. I'm Candice Malcolm, and this is The Candice Malcolm Show.
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Hi, everyone. Thank you so much for tuning into the podcast.
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So it becomes more evident every single day that our society is sick. We're suffering from a
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sickness. There's no doubt about it. I think in the United States, the Trump presidency really
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brought this cultural sickness to the forefront. It revealed the long-running culture war. It brought
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it right out into the open, exposed the hatred that our so-called elites and experts have for
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everyday people in their values, their beliefs, and their ideals. In Canada, we saw some of these
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same trends emerged during COVID. There was a complete lack of trust in the common sense of
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everyday citizens. There was a reluctance by so many to defend and uphold our basic charter rights
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and freedoms. And there was an expediency with which politicians and so-called experts would denigrate
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and demonize the people. Every day in the news, we see reminders of our fraying civil society and the
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social decay we are experiencing. Whether it's pastors being jailed, schoolchildren being massacred
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in their schools, or directionless, often fatherless young men carrying out unspeakable atrocities.
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In response, we see more sneering from the elites towards everyday people and these supposed elites
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drawing all the wrong conclusions. Well, today, I want to look at an issue that I think really represents
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the COVID-19 pandemic happening in Canada. I'm talking about the muted discussion when it comes
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to death, suicide, and our government's role, not just in facilitating, but in expanding and advocating
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for euthanasia. I'm pleased to be joined today by Angelina Ireland. Angelina is the president of the
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board of the Delta Hospice Society. It's really an incredible organization. It's a non-profit group
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promoting life-affirming palliative care. Back in 2014, while suffering from cancer, Angelina joined
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the Delta Hospice Society as a patient before eventually joining the organization's board
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four years later. In 2020, the Delta Hospice Society refused to offer doctor-assisted suicide,
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despite the BC Health Authority making the practice mandatory at all publicly funded hospice centers.
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So the BC government eventually pulled the Delta Hospice Society's funding and seized their centers,
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which they'd been operating since 1991. So since then, Angelina has been an outspoken advocate
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against doctor-assisted suicide and is defending natural end-of-life values. She continues to lead
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the Delta Hospice Society as a virtual and call-in hospice provider. So, Angelina, welcome to the program.
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Thank you so much for joining us. It's great to see you. Thank you, Candice, for having me.
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So let's just talk about your organization, the Delta Hospice Society. I've been following it.
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It's had certainly a tumultuous last few years, particularly in dealing with the BC government.
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So can you explain to our viewers what exactly happened with your organization,
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why you refused to offer this service, and what the consequences have been?
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Yeah, thank you. You know, we are a 30-year private organization devoted to palliative care.
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And for those who don't really know, you know, the specifics of palliative care, basically,
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we take care of people during their illness, during their end of life, and we also take care
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of their families. But what we do not do in palliative care is kill our patients. So, you know,
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this is a 50-year medical discipline in which Canada has actually had a great deal to do with
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in its development. So we should be very proud of that, through people like, you know, Dr.
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Balfour Mount out of McGill University. So, you know, we have just been a group of private citizens,
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opening up a palliative care organization, and being very committed and devoted to doing some very
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good work. And actually, you know, supporting the public health care system. Over our years,
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we have probably given close to $30 million to the public health care system, 750,000 volunteer hours
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to the public health care system. So ultimately, it's been a really good deal for the taxpayer.
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And before euthanasia became law, the government thought that we were a really good partner.
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And so, I mean, this conversation sort of came up very quickly, and Canada became one of the first
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countries in the world to legalize, basically, doctor-assisted suicide. So the idea behind
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the Hospice Society and hospices around Canada was to take people out of hospitals and allow them to
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go to a place, you know, in their final days, weeks, or months, and sort of die with dignity in
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natural ways. And then this law came out saying that that that's not gonna, that's not the way that
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that end of life is going to happen in Canada. Can you sort of walk us through that that battle,
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how it happened, how these laws got introduced, and how it affected your group?
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Yeah, I think that, you know, ultimately, I can say it, in that we're undergoing a coercive makeover
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of palliative care in this country. So when C-14 was first introduced, it allowed, it was basically
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an amendment to the criminal code so that doctors and nurses would not get charged with murder when
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they help people kill themselves. And so, with that being passed, and because, you know, healthcare is
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a provincial jurisdiction, it was passed down to the provinces to allow people access to this kind of
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procedure. Now, out here in British Columbia, I have to say that the NDP government just, you know,
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accepted this with like an enthusiasm, with like, you know, and they were going to just make sure that
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every single bed in British Columbia was going to offer euthanasia. So they exalt, you know, they
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kind of exalted euthanasia is like the king of all procedures. And anybody getting any kind of government
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money was going to have to provide this service. So, you know, we as a private organization,
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in 2010, we fundraised and we built a hospice and a palliative care center next to it for support
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counseling. That was the kind of services that I, you know, took care of when I was a patient myself.
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So we got into a contract with the government, with the Fraser Health Authority, which is the
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authority in our area to provide 10 palliative care beds to the public health care system for 1.4
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million dollars. Now, when MAID came into law. And MAID is the sort of euphemism that the government
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uses to describe this process. Medical assistance is dying because that's kind of a nice way of saying,
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you know, they like to say euthanasia. They don't like that word because it's not as,
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it's not as pretty and comforting. So they came to us and said, you're going to have to provide
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euthanasia. And we said, no, because we're a palliative care organization. That's why we're a
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private organization providing palliative care. Why would we do that? Besides right next door to us,
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like a minute is the Delta Hospital and they provide MAID there. So there's, you know, clearly there's
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access to euthanasia within this community. So there's no need for that to be forced upon us.
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So our first battle was with the government and they said, no, not only no, but they became ruthless
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against us. So it wasn't just enough that they take away their contract from us, which is fine.
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We accepted that. So they would have taken away the 1.4 million and we were happy to fundraise
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that amount of money. We have a store, which is a revenue producing property. So we were quite content
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to be able to provide to the public health care system, 10 palliative care beds at no cost to the
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taxpayer. But no, that wasn't enough for the government. They thought somehow that perhaps we were
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so non-compliant and such instigators that they were going to try to crush us completely.
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So they took away our funding and then they alerted us that they were going to take away our hospice.
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So we built our hospice on a 35 year land lease. Okay. A registered lease that was not a license just to be
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there. A lease that was, you know, in the land titles office and everything else. What they did
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was they canceled that lease. That was not necessary, but it was punitive. They canceled that lease and they
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evicted us from that property with 25 years left on that lease. Not only did they evict us, they evicted
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our patients, our dying patients from our hospice. The Fraser Health authority sent around a notice
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telling the people there that they're going to have to leave in two months. So within that time,
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a couple of people passed away, but the remaining people, they shipped off to another hospice in the
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Fraser Health region. They then basically gave us 30 days to get out and we had to fire all of our staff.
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We had to move and we had to be out of those premises in 30 days. So, you know, this just goes to show
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that when you stand to defy authority, you know, they will go to every length to crush any independent
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initiative. It's really unbelievable that story. I'm wondering if you can help explain to the viewers,
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Angelina, what's the difference between the services that you would provide at your hospice
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versus a hospital? Like, what was the difference for those patients when you got evicted
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moving to the other facilities? Would they have been sort of offered or presented with the
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option, I guess you call it, of being euthanized? Is that what happens over there?
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Well, you know, interestingly, once they kicked us out, they reopened our facility two weeks later
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under their authority, and now they operate it and they provide euthanasia there. So, you know,
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they sort of carted off a few people for the interim to another hospice. You know, and I use the term
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hospice now very loosely because hospices were never a place where you came to die. Hospices were a place where
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you came to live and where we took care of you. We took care of you, not only your physical, but your,
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you know, psychological and spiritual needs and those of your family. Now you can go to a hospice
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and your worst day can become your last day because you can ask for to be euthanized and you can be killed
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that day. So now people are taking, and they don't use palliative care so much anymore in this
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province. They use words like end-of-life care, right? They try to steer away from, you know,
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any kind of connection to, you know, a very noble medical discipline because they know that what
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they've done in this province is pretty much destroy palliative care.
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And it's so sad given what you're just describing about how Canada was once sort of a world leader and
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we have 50 years of experience in really dealing with this very difficult, challenging part of life.
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Death is a part of life. I'm wondering if you can explain, because I think that the broader discussion
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kind of gets tied up. People who oppose this way of dying and this idea that the government will just
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sort of facilitate death if a patient asks for it. I'm wondering if you could walk us through why you
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personally oppose this method, this doctor assisted suicide, why your group specifically decided to
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fight against it, because there's so few voices and so few groups doing what the Delta Hospice Society
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did. And in some ways, it's really inspiring to see what you're doing in other ways. It's like,
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why isn't there pushback on this stuff from people all over the country? So I wonder if you can,
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if you just walk us through your views and then your society's views as well.
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Yeah, I mean, you know, ultimately, we wanted to stand for palliative care. You know, we consider
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it to be a national treasure. Not only that, but you know, it's a gift to humanity. Right? When you go
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in a sort of sacrificing selfless way, take care of the most vulnerable among us. You know, that is,
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that's a noble cause. That's something that this organization has spent 30 years
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years uplifting and providing, you know, and so what we have seen now is, you know, those people
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who would prefer a different end of life experience. They, you know, we're not even going to say anything
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about that. What we're going to say is, if that's what you want, then you go build it. But what we find
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now happening is that this new political movement wants to walk in and literally steal everything
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that we've created over the past 50 years, instead of going and doing their own work.
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You go fundraise, you go open your maid centers, right? And you become then a choice to the public
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in terms of an end of life marketplace of services available. Because I'll tell you, we have many,
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many people who want the kind of services that we provide. So no, they don't just get to have, you
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know, because they have a loud, obnoxious group of people who are demanding to be killed, you know,
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on demand. That's fine. But we're not going to fight you. What I'm going to say to you is go do your
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own work. Because the work that we have done for the past 50 years is important. People look to us,
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they trust us to protect them. And we are not going to just surrender, right, everything that
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we've created, because it will be more convenient for you. So you go make your own spaces, and we'll
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have our spaces. I mean, that's, you know, on principle, that is really one of the one of the
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reasons why we fought so hard. You know, second is all that, you know, we have within palliative care,
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a real respect for the dignity of life, the sanctity of life, to its natural end,
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and how much we can do to provide people with an incredible ability to have time at their end of life,
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to have a reconciliation with their loved ones, right, to be able to physically, emotionally accept
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the next stage. That's very important, because we can see the trauma that family members go through
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when they're when their loved ones just, they show up to see them when they're dead, they're gone,
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they decided in the middle of the night, with I will say, some influence of perhaps some healthcare
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providers that they should just put themselves out of this misery and and not be a burden to their
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families, and they're gone. Right? So, you know, we provide that experience of time to honour who we
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are as human beings, and to give, you know, those people we love the opportunity to also be able to
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accept and to heal before we say our ultimate goodbye. Right, it's so interesting that, you know,
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you have different opinions, right? If some other family, if there's Canadians out there who
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either don't want their loved ones suffering, and they make this decision altogether,
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there's space for them, right? There's places where they can go. But it's so interesting that
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the people in charge, the politicians, the bureaucrats, the experts, say no to the Canadians
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who don't want this kind of service offered to their loved ones, and they don't believe in it,
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and it goes against their morals and values. You know, there's no space for you in our society,
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we're going to go after this little Delta Hospice society, and just eliminate them. And it's really
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telling that that's the attitude that they had, you know, you talk about sort of the influence,
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I would call it coercion of healthcare providers pushing this idea of medically assisted dying.
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Last month, there was a big news story, there was an individual named Donna Duncan, who was an
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Abbotsford nurse and mother who died on October 29, 2021. So almost a year ago, police are investigating
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this medically assisted death of Duncan, and her daughter said the death should not have been
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approved for the procedure based on her mental health at the time. This is terrifying and chilling
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that these daughters placed their mother in care and came one day, like you said, and their mother
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was gone. And this decision had been made, and it seems like they didn't consult the family. So I'm
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wondering, you know, why aren't we talking more about these kinds of stories? And how is this even
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happening in Canada? How can we push back against it?
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Well, we do, you know, and I think that people need to understand there are choices,
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that we should be allowed to have choices. We as a private organization, we're literally told by the
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government that we have no right, we have no right to our conscience. We have no right as taxpaying citizens
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to be able to have the kind of service that we actually pay for, right, we become disenfranchised.
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We've become like indentured serfs, pay your money, you don't get any choices, you do what you're
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told. You know, I mean, ultimately, that at the end of the day, that that's what this boils down to.
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You know, we have many, we have a constituency that wants what we offer. But we're not allowed
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to have it now, because the government deems it to be somewhat inappropriate. You apparently,
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you have to offer every medical procedure in your facility that, you know, that's available. However,
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right next door at the Delta Hospital, you can't have your baby there. Nobody in Delta can have their
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baby in Delta, you've got to go off to some other city to have your child. But in every bed in Delta,
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you've got to be able to kill someone. So you know, it's ironic. It's, you know, hypocrisy.
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We want to say that we see you, we see this nonsense that you're, you know, you're trying to push onto
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people. And, you know, if I was sitting here and telling you, Oh, I'm raising money to have a no kill
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animal shelter, right? Oh, I'd be getting all kinds of support from the government. But I'm sitting here
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saying that I want to have a no kill hospice, and I become enemy of the state.
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It's really wild, isn't it? That's quite a stark difference. Well, we now hear Angelina,
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that the federal government is expected to unveil new laws to allow doctors to offer
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medically assisted suicide to the mentally ill. So that means people suffering from depression,
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bipolar disorder, personality disorders, schizophrenia, even PTSD, and other mental afflictions
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will be offered this. What are your concerns about legislation like this?
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Oh, it's, you know, it's happening at the worst time. You know, we have been through as a people,
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the last two and a half years of a really traumatic experience, we've been locked down,
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fear mongered about, you know, put your mask on, get your shots, get your boosters, you're going to die,
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right? We've got inflation going out of control. We've got war in Ukraine are talking about World War
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3. You know, if you're not suffering some kind of mental strain in this moment, you know, it would
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be it would be a surprise. So you know, now they want to offer death to people who are, you know,
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mentally, I'll say unstable. Well, I would argue that that euthanasia in this moment is being asked for
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because we're in a mental health crisis. Now, instead of helping people with the tools that we
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have to help them, they would just prefer to kill them, you know what, because it's cheap, it's $400
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to kill someone. And now they just have doctor death coming once a week, and they line people up,
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and they just kill them. Well, I'll tell you a hospice bed, for example, it would probably, you know,
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we could do it probably cheaper. But if the government's doing it 1200 bucks a day, a day,
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right? So we know we see through like the Wizard of Oz thing that that's what's going on, right? We know
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who wants euthanasia, people who don't want to be a burden, people who are afraid of losing control of
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their their lives, people who are anxious, who are depressed, okay, that's that's mental health issues.
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So they're trying to push death upon people with mental health issues. That's not a loving,
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kind or compassionate response. That's a nihilist response. And we expect more from the government,
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from the people that we elect to represent us than that.
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Well, especially if you look at some of the numbers, I mean, it's one thing to talk about medically
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assisted dying to someone who's in chronic pain, who's in their 90s, who just might say, you know,
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my life, I've lived a good life, I've lived a fulfilled life. And to your point, I don't want
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to be a burden. But when you're talking about the mental health crisis in our country right now,
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it's largely afflicting young people, you know, teenagers and people in their 20s and 30s,
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we just read a report that said 70, 69% of journalists report feeling anxiety and depression.
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And the thing about depression and other disorders like bipolar disorder is you have good days
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and bad days. And so if you ask someone on the very worst of the worst days, the lowest of the
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low, do you want to end your life? At that point, you know, it might seem like a like a realistic
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option, without thinking about the fact that things will get better, there's light at the end of the
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tunnel, and there are things to live for. And it's such a sad point in our society where, to your point,
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you know, the most vulnerable people in our society are just being offered this, this this way out.
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Well, Angelina, I find this issue so troubling. And, you know, I know that there's there's a variety of
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opinions out there. But I really do appreciate what you're doing and the voice that you're providing
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for all this. For Canadians who don't know much about what's going on and want to get more involved,
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what do you what do you recommend for them? Yeah, you know, I mean, after after they literally took
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our assets, and tried to destroy us with the national activists who came after us, and you
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know, you know, we've been through the we've been through the wars here on the on the front line for
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the last two and a half years, not only against government, against activists, no opposition party
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in this country supported us. They all closed the door on us when we tried to speak to them.
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So what we what we know now is that we need to protect ourselves. This is where we've come to
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at this moment, they're not coming to help you. So in an attempt to help protect people,
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our organization, the delta hospicesociety.org has opened up a national palliative care hotline.
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So 1800 232 1589. So but eight days a week, Monday to Friday, sorry, eight hours a day,
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five days a week, we ask you to call us. If you have questions, if you have concerns,
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we're there to help you find places where your loved ones can go that perhaps they could be safe.
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You know, we'll have those conversations with you. If you need counseling, we'll arrange counselors for
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you that aren't going to just affirm your your euthanasia and suicidal intentions. We will prop proper,
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you know, counselors. So you know, we've done that number one, number two, we have created for every
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province in this country, a DNA, a do not euthanize advanced directive. And we will give that to you,
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we ask you to come and be a member for $10 of the Delta Hospice Society. And we will give you an
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advanced directive that's been produced by a lawyer that basically says, I do not want to be euthanized
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if at any point in my sickness, I asked you to kill my kill me, it's because it's a cry for help.
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We do not approve of a facility unilaterally deciding to not treat us anymore, who turns off
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our oxygen, our air and our nutrition. There's a clause in there that says if you do that, I will
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have my representative sue you. So you know, these are the things that ordinary people need to be
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empowered with. Because we need to keep our people safe. We need to keep our home safe.
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And Delta Hospice Society wants to partner with you to ensure that you can at least feel some sense of
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peace, and some sense of protection. So become a member delta hospicesociety.org. And we'll get you set
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Well, that's really wonderful. I really encourage all of our true north viewers to look into that and get
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involved sounds like a great initiative. And I'm very disappointed that even conservative
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politicians aren't working with you or aren't willing to stand up against this bizarre
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bullying that's happening towards your organization, and the sort of broader trend of pushing medically
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assisted death upon people who are mentally ill. I think that's a very sad sign of the times and
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and another sign, like I said, off the top, that our society is sick, and that we're suffering from
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severe societal decay. So Angelina Ayrton, I really appreciate your time. Thank you so much for joining
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the show. It was great talking to you today. Thank you, Candace.
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All right. Thank you so much for tuning in. I'm Candace Malcolm, and this is The Candace Malcolm Show.
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I'm Candace Malcolm, and I was Christian. Looking so old at my skill with my master
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a little bit, I need to be prepared for my master's skill.
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I'll see you today, that was a great- Kimberly.
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Now, my mother woke up all the time when I were starting to see me.