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The hypocrisy of protecting critical infrastructure


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Aaron Gunn is an independent journalist, a common sense pundit, and he recently ran for the leadership of the BC Liberal Party. We re going to get into all of the juicy details about that. Aaron Gunn is one of the few voices in British Columbia that advocates for common sense and for respect for the taxpayer. With over 50 million video views and thousands of followers, Gunn has become a steadfast opponent of cancel culture and identity politics. Gunn couldn t stand by while politicians appeased the woke mob and disrespected taxpayers. This is why he decided to run for the BC Liberals on an explicitly conservative platform. But unfortunately, after gaining the support of thousands of members, he was unfairly barred from running for the upcoming leadership race.

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00:00:00.280 Radical left-wing environmentalists are still wreaking havoc on our economy and undermining
00:00:05.560 the rule of law in Canada. They must be stopped. I'm Candice Malcolm, and this is The Candice
00:00:09.840 Malcolm Show.
00:00:15.300 Hi everyone, thank you so much for tuning into The Candice Malcolm Show. I'm really
00:00:19.420 pleased today to be joined by my friend Aaron Gunn. Aaron is an independent journalist, a
00:00:24.580 common sense pundit, and he recently ran for the leadership of the BC Liberals. We're going
00:00:28.920 to get into all of the juicy details about that. Aaron Gunn is one of the few voices in
00:00:33.960 British Columbia that advocates for common sense and for respect for the taxpayer. With
00:00:38.360 over 50 million video views and thousands of followers, Gunn has become a steadfast opponent
00:00:43.060 of cancel culture and identity politics. Gunn couldn't stand by while politicians appeased
00:00:48.300 the woke mob and disrespected taxpayers. This is why Aaron Gunn decided to run for the leader
00:00:53.160 of the BC Liberals on an explicitly conservative platform, but unfortunately, after gaining
00:00:58.200 the support of thousands of members, he was unfairly barred from running for the upcoming
00:01:02.580 leadership race by the BC Liberals Leadership Election Organizing Committee. It's a wild story.
00:01:07.380 We're going to talk about all of it on the show today, but first, Aaron Gunn, thank you
00:01:10.780 so much for joining us.
00:01:14.200 Thank you for having me, Candice. It's great to be here.
00:01:17.880 Yeah, well, you're a familiar face on the show. You've been on a number of times, and we're
00:01:22.440 sort of talking to you in the midst of your platform, launching your campaign. It seemed
00:01:27.780 to be a lot of momentum and a lot of excitement. And then you just sort of, you know, the BC
00:01:32.620 Liberals just sort of put a wall in front of you. So why don't you walk us through what
00:01:37.580 happened there? And, you know, is that it for your political career when they told you
00:01:42.200 couldn't run? Or do you still have plans? And what's up next for you?
00:01:44.620 Well, I'll tell you right off the bat, we're definitely just getting started. But what happened
00:01:49.960 was we were in the race for about two weeks. We had signed up and garnered the support of
00:01:56.360 thousands of British Columbians in a party, the BC Liberal Party, that was in pretty rough
00:02:03.800 shape. And just to take a step back, this is a party that's supposed to be brands itself
00:02:08.600 as a free market coalition of Liberals and Conservatives. And they asked for my help during
00:02:13.400 the last election. One of the candidates asked for my endorsement, asked for me to campaign for
00:02:18.040 them. And they asked me to run as a candidate for them. So we put our name forward, we tried
00:02:22.520 to mobilize social media following. I think that the people that control the party got scared that
00:02:29.800 we were going to pull this off and win. And then out of nowhere, they basically came out and said that
00:02:37.000 my views were somehow inconsistent with that of the party, they mentioned reconciliation, and without
00:02:44.040 providing any examples whatsoever, and basically nixed the candidacy right there. So a lot of people
00:02:49.000 asked me, how can they do that? It's just an unelected seven person committee. And of course, the irony
00:02:54.760 and the hypocrisy of all this is that unelected committee, none of the people on it are Indigenous. And the
00:03:00.840 one Indigenous person in the race, Alice Ross, has appeared in my videos and supported my entry into it. So
00:03:07.080 I think it was just about a small group of people trying to hold on to the little enclave of political
00:03:14.600 power that they've carved out for themselves. And they viewed me as a threat to that.
00:03:19.080 Well, rightfully so. I mean, you are a threat. And it's, you know, in the best kind of way,
00:03:24.600 you're a threat because you're an actual, you know, you speak for the people and your message really
00:03:30.360 resonates, which is why you have such a big following online, Aaron. You know, it's interesting,
00:03:34.200 because I hear a lot of people complain when elections roll around that they don't like any
00:03:38.120 of the candidates. It's like, really, you know, this is the best we can come up with. And, you know,
00:03:43.640 it doesn't really feel like true democracy when you're kind of given a selection of like three or
00:03:49.480 four very similar politicians. And it seems like the saga with them blocking you is exactly the problem,
00:03:56.440 because they have these, the political parties hold so much power in our system. And, you know,
00:04:01.480 it's a decision of a small, like you said, unelected group of people who are claiming to
00:04:06.360 speak for an entire big tent party that's supposed to be the girls and conservatives. So, 1.00
00:04:12.040 so, so, so, so what, what, what's next for you? I know, I know you said that you're just getting
00:04:15.560 started. I know that there were some rumors out there that you might be running an independent
00:04:20.280 campaign or going over and joining the BC Conservatives, which is a very small party, but,
00:04:25.320 but, but, you know, maybe, maybe with someone with your, you know, star power, you might lift
00:04:30.200 the fortunes of that party. What are you going to seek out another party or what are you going to do?
00:04:35.880 Well, first off, I have to agree with you 100% that the political parties in Canada wield way too much
00:04:41.320 power. Obviously in other countries and other systems, there's a lot more limits on that, on that
00:04:46.680 power. And that's, that's a really unfortunate thing. Now, the solution to that, or the only solution to that,
00:04:52.520 is to go and create new parties or breathe life into kind of small existing parties. So that's
00:05:00.840 exactly what we're looking to do. Kind of a wrap up event. We had a big event in Chilliwack. We are,
00:05:06.680 I promise that during the next, or by the time of the next provincial election, there will be a new
00:05:12.360 common sense alternative that British Columbians can vote for without holding their nose. Now,
00:05:16.680 whether that's a new party, whether that's the BC Conservatives, as we've been talking to people
00:05:22.600 there, that still remains to be seen. And we're going to make sure we do our due diligence before
00:05:28.200 we reveal all our cards. But the status quo in British Columbia, like much of the country,
00:05:34.680 I might add, is just not, in my opinion, not acceptable. And I think British Columbians and
00:05:40.920 Canadians, generally speaking, deserve a lot better than the choices that they've been given recently.
00:05:47.640 So it's interesting, Erin, because one of the criticisms I've heard from the political left
00:05:52.600 in British Columbia is that they're not happy with the NDP government because they think that the
00:05:58.200 government is going too hard against these blockades and these protesters. And, you know,
00:06:04.040 the left thinks that, what, the premier should step in and cancel all these projects and block them all.
00:06:09.640 I know that you, through your independent reporting, through your excellent political series,
00:06:14.040 politics explained, you know this issue inside and out. So for us, the rest of us watching in the
00:06:21.240 rest of the country, it almost feels like deja vu. It's like, wait, protesters are up in Ferry Creek
00:06:27.480 again. And okay, now they're blocking coastal gas link. Like, is this just going to happen again and again?
00:06:32.760 So I'm wondering if you can help us understand, let's start with the Ferry Creek ones, because
00:06:39.720 those were the ones that were going on earlier this fall in September. And that's up on Vancouver
00:06:45.560 Island. I believe you visited that site. Can you talk a little bit about what that project is and
00:06:51.320 why the protesters are, what the protesters are doing and what they hope to accomplish?
00:06:56.120 Yeah, well, the first thing I think I should just mention, you listed them off Ferry Creek,
00:07:02.200 coastal gas link, throw TMX in there as well, these kind of ongoing blockades and acts of breaking the
00:07:11.080 law to try to make a political point that have continued through BC. The thing you have to
00:07:15.400 understand that Canadians have to understand is that this is an industry. This is a protest industry.
00:07:21.000 So just like any industry, they have to keep money flowing in and they have to keep their activities
00:07:25.320 going. So they will always find something to protest regardless of the facts on the ground.
00:07:30.200 With regard to Ferry Creek, that was just a run of the mill cut block in British Columbia
00:07:38.040 that a company called Teal Jones bid on and had the rights for the provincial government.
00:07:43.240 And that activists clung to, it's about two hours outside of Victoria and started protesting
00:07:49.320 and started trying to paint as somehow the last old growth or ancient forest in British Columbia,
00:07:54.840 which just isn't true. They're 10 million hectares, so billions of trees that are already protected in
00:08:00.360 provincial parts and old growth management areas. And they were just cutting down a really small part,
00:08:08.040 as is done throughout British Columbia, forestry is our most important industry. And the amazing thing
00:08:12.280 that just shows the hypocrisy of these activists, you're talking about an industry that is 100%
00:08:17.160 sustainable and renewable. We have the highest environmental standards in the entire world,
00:08:21.240 much like oil and gas and mining. And the other thing is that particular cut block up in Ferry Creek
00:08:31.560 was 100% in partnership with local First Nations. And then now the NDP government under the pressure
00:08:37.320 from the activists has deferred about a third of old growth logging in British Columbia or so-called old
00:08:43.880 growth logging. And who gets hurt by that the most? Not the big corporations who just take their money from
00:08:48.840 British Columbia and go buy sawmills in the United States, but local First Nations and small forestry
00:08:54.840 dependent communities that now have no local economy and have no more local jobs for people in those
00:09:02.200 communities to go work. So it's a really damaging decision. But of course, even with the moves by the
00:09:08.280 NDP government, these activists always want more and more and more and honestly aren't going to rest until
00:09:14.040 all of our industries are put out of work. It's interesting because I hear the rumbling from the
00:09:20.280 political left saying that they want the NDP government to do more. But you make an excellent
00:09:24.120 point that it's like whenever the NDP is in power in British Columbia, the forestry industry suffers.
00:09:30.120 I remember in the 90s growing up in BC and there were so many communities that were devastated by the
00:09:35.400 closure of pulp and paper mills. A lot of young men were just moving to Alberta because there were no
00:09:39.480 opportunities in British Columbia. And it seems like that might be happening again, except for now
00:09:45.560 we're in an unfortunate position where those kind of jobs don't exist in Alberta in its large numbers.
00:09:51.320 Let's shift gears then and talk about the coastal gas link because that was the one that we saw
00:09:56.840 multiple protests throughout November, including arrests. And that was the pipeline that David Suzuki
00:10:02.920 said that it would be a shame if someone blew up this pipeline, basically alluding to domestic terrorism
00:10:10.760 and giving it a pass. And you had the CDC defending it until David Suzuki finally came out, clarified and
00:10:15.960 apologized. So I understand that you visited this project as well. And it seems like a similar story that
00:10:22.840 has the blessing of the First Nations communities. And then there's just a couple of really loud activists
00:10:28.520 that are trying to disrupt it. So can you can you tell us about that?
00:10:31.080 Yeah, the coastal gas link pipeline is the perfect example that shows just how shameless these
00:10:37.800 protesters are. This is a pipeline that's exporting Canadian natural gas to Asia, which is the cleanest
00:10:43.800 natural gas in the world. It's going to Asia to displace coal fired plants. So it's good for 0.68
00:10:48.520 particulate pollution. It's good for CO2 emissions, which is what the activists claim to be so concerned
00:10:54.280 about. And it's also supported by all 20 elected First Nation bands along the pipeline route. So if you were
00:11:00.040 looking for some kind of pipeline that you could put up on a pedestal as health as kind of the ideal
00:11:05.320 pipeline, this would be it. And yet they're still protesting relentlessly against it. And it's
00:11:10.280 actually shameful what they've done is they've gone into these communities, they've taken again, these 0.67
00:11:15.000 are these are not homogeneous communities. First Nations like anybody else, they've taken one or two
00:11:21.240 First Nations people, they've put them up on a pedestal and then said that somehow the pipeline is
00:11:26.280 violating their rights. Again, even though all 20 elected First Nation bands from Fort St. John,
00:11:32.520 all the way down to Kitimat, where the LNG export terminal is, I've signed on and support the pipeline,
00:11:38.280 including the Wet'suwet and First Nation band. So it's disgraceful what's going on. I visited these
00:11:46.520 protesters. And at the end of the day, when you visited them, and I had these conversations with them
00:11:51.000 as part of my documentary series, it's it's clear that they don't have any idea what's going on,
00:11:56.200 they don't know the details. A lot of them are professional protesters or, you know, they're given
00:12:01.640 kind of free, free room and board at these protest camps that have been been erected. And then the the
00:12:10.760 protest groups use the free media earned media off of that to raise money to continue to fund themselves
00:12:15.960 and to shop themselves around to billion dollar US foundations. So that was quite evident that
00:12:20.440 what's happening. And the sad part is, is, again, it's not so much the big corporations that are
00:12:25.560 getting hurt. It's the small First Nation groups and small communities in northern BC that would have 0.69
00:12:30.920 the most to gain from a project like this. Such a shame. I mean, the way that you explain it so
00:12:35.880 clear cut, and yet, it seems to be this this real, you know, difficult issue that our politicians don't
00:12:42.600 really know how to solve. I wonder, I remember from your Politics Explained documentary series,
00:12:49.480 you were confronted by some of these protesters. Was that coastal gas? Or was it somewhere else?
00:12:54.360 Can you walk us through what happened there? Well, I guess you could say I was confronted
00:13:01.160 both at a lot fairly free at coastal gasoline pipeline up by Houston, and then also someone or
00:13:07.960 a group of people called the tiny house warriors that were protesting the TMX pipeline. Now, the
00:13:15.720 what the confrontation that happened at TMX was, was, which is just north of Kamloops, was probably
00:13:23.160 in place called Blue River, was the most animated, to put it nicely. And it just goes to show that so
00:13:29.480 many of these people are unhinged, and they don't know the facts of what they're talking about. I mean,
00:13:33.080 I was up at Ferry Creek talking about the forest industry. You know, none of these people actually
00:13:38.040 know what they're doing. It's the same with coastal gasoline. And it's the same with TMX. So, you know,
00:13:44.920 these protesters, I think, I don't know what's going on in their own personal lives, but they're
00:13:49.240 searching for some kind of philosophy that's greater than themselves. And they just latch on to it
00:13:55.480 without actually knowing what they're talking about. But of course, the people running these movements
00:13:59.000 know exactly what they're doing. And it is an industry, it's a multi million dollar industry,
00:14:03.320 in fact, probably close to closer to a multi billion dollar industry.
00:14:07.560 Well, yeah, the point you just made reminds me of Jordan Peterson chapter in his book,
00:14:12.280 you know, get your own house in order before you go out and change the world. If only,
00:14:15.800 if only these people on the political left would bother trying to learn from what Dr. Peterson has to
00:14:21.640 teach. So, Aaron, like, what can we do about these these groups? Because, you know, the way that
00:14:28.040 you're describing it, it seems like, you know, a group of people just their goal is to upend the
00:14:34.280 rule of law to try to overrule the democratic will of the people to have their way like basically just
00:14:41.160 stop our industry, which would have devastating effects, not just on the individual workers,
00:14:45.400 but on the whole economy. Like, I don't know what they want, if not oil and gas, like, sure,
00:14:51.000 you can have a dream of 100 years from now where we don't use fossil fuels, but that's not the reality
00:14:56.200 today. And stopping Canadians from being able to produce this good that is in such a ban. I mean,
00:15:04.840 it's just frustrating to watch. So, I mean, you studied the issue carefully, you did these
00:15:09.240 documentaries on it. What do you think needs to be done? What can Canada do to make it clear that,
00:15:16.440 you know, we uphold the rule of law and respect industry and, you know, we want to have a cleaner,
00:15:22.760 safer environment. But, you know, the way that they're going about it is not going to solve those
00:15:27.160 things.
00:15:30.040 Yeah, I would say that the number one thing that this country is missing that it could use a lot
00:15:35.320 of right now is, well, there's maybe two things, but the first thing would be political courage.
00:15:39.720 So I think politicians, regardless of political party, need to draw, you know, a line in the sand,
00:15:45.400 a red line that says, if you want to protest peacefully on the side of the road, that is 100% your
00:15:50.680 right will always be your charter protected right in Canada, or it should be. But that line's crossed
00:15:56.840 when you start infringing on the rights of on everybody else. And we start trying to really
00:16:02.520 take anti-democratic elections. I mean, a lot of these pipelines were issues in provincial and federal
00:16:07.160 elections that yielded certain results. And by going out and breaking the law and obstructing
00:16:13.800 people from going into work, like in the case of coastal gas link or blocking highways in
00:16:17.480 Victorian Vancouver, you're really thumbing your nose at democracy and the democratic decisions
00:16:21.960 that Canadians made. So I think that needs to be a red line in the sand. And it's time to actually 1.00
00:16:26.360 get top on these protesters. And I actually think also cracking down on groups who are knowingly
00:16:32.360 financing legal activity and financing the illegal discord in Canada. The second thing I would say
00:16:40.600 is it comes down to people like myself and people like you can as a true north to continue to bring the
00:16:47.320 truth to these issues and for Canadians who want to hear the truth and know what's actually going on
00:16:51.880 to continue to support groups like this. Because we do, I think, have a deficit in the mainstream media
00:16:59.080 of good, solid reporting. So it's important to get the facts out there.
00:17:05.720 Well, I couldn't agree more with that second point. I want to ask you about that first point,
00:17:09.400 though, because, well, there's two things. First of all, we saw the Trudeau government
00:17:13.320 remarkably pass a law in this legislature. So we had a shortened parliament. Trudeau waited until
00:17:19.480 the very end of the year, basically, to have the House of Commons sitting in. One of the only
00:17:23.560 pieces of law that he introduced was this law making it illegal for protesters to block hospitals,
00:17:31.400 gearing against the sort of anti-forced COVID vaccine crowd. People who, in my estimation,
00:17:40.120 are rightfully protesting, being fed up with a system of lockdowns and politicians who lie.
00:17:46.280 But Trudeau went out of his way to put this heavy-handed law out there where protesters,
00:17:52.200 if they are blocking, obviously, no one should block hospitals, no one should harass hospital
00:17:55.640 workers. That's uncalled for. But, you know, the politics behind targeting these people,
00:17:59.960 you know, it's noticeable that these are the people that he's trying to punish while the other people,
00:18:07.000 but all this stuff is happening in British Columbia, all this stuff is happening all the time.
00:18:10.520 You know, they kind of turn a blind eye to it. So I wanted to get your take on Trudeau
00:18:16.520 passing out a lot of block hospitals. And then also, in Alberta, we saw the Kenney government
00:18:20.840 do this long report studying who were behind all of these sort of shadowy anti-Alberta oil and gas
00:18:29.880 campaigns. And I mean, the report was super interesting, but I don't really know if it's
00:18:35.000 going to lead to anything. So I wonder if you could comment on those two issues.
00:18:41.160 Yeah, well, first on Trudeau's law, I might mention that you might not be familiar with it,
00:18:46.360 the BC actually introduced, I don't know exactly where this is, or shockingly, it hasn't been
00:18:50.760 challenged yet, but they actually introduced like a like a bubble zone legislation. So you can't even
00:18:55.480 protest on the sidewalk within a certain distance from from hospitals, it's like a couple kilometers
00:19:02.520 or something like that. And again, at the same time, we're basically allowing activists to shut down
00:19:08.440 highways and arteries. And in many cases are actually important for people actually trying to get to
00:19:15.160 the hospital among many other important things. So I think that, yeah, it shows a double standard,
00:19:23.480 but I think it also shows when it comes to the environmental groups, this isn't just an assortment
00:19:29.880 of individual people who are fearing being arrested. This is an organized campaign. Up in Ferry Creek,
00:19:37.800 they know exactly what they're doing. People sign up, who's prepared to be arrested? Have you been
00:19:41.560 arrested before? Okay, maybe you don't want to do it because the judge will be harder on you.
00:19:45.320 They've got people waiting to grant you bail to pay all your legal fees. So it's an organized campaign
00:19:51.560 of illegal protests. And I think that's the big difference. And that's why they've been more
00:19:55.720 resilient. But again, it just comes down to political courage, where you need to have politicians who are
00:20:00.760 who are willing to take them on, and not to basically get get pushed around. But by what really is like
00:20:07.320 1-2% of the population who thinks that extremist tactics can can dictate their will to everybody
00:20:13.720 else. And then what did you think about the study out of Alberta? Do you think did you look into it?
00:20:20.360 Do you think that that kind of initiative is helpful? Do you think it'll lead to anything?
00:20:25.240 What's your take on that on that initiative?
00:20:27.160 Well, I think that it could lead to something as far as the potential of financing groups that are
00:20:38.760 engaging in illegal activities. And maybe there's some law that again, it would take political courage
00:20:44.360 from the federal space. But but beyond that, I think, look, these left wing groups, we all know
00:20:50.120 they're getting big dollar funding, they're getting US funding to wage these campaigns. And it's
00:20:56.920 up to people that that are that are proud of Canada, want to stand up for Canada, Canada's
00:21:02.520 resource industries and independent media to stand up against them and for people to support those
00:21:07.480 individuals, such as yourself at True North. As far as like having a, you know, the the information
00:21:15.400 war, the misinformation war, trying to combat these narratives. I mean, that is part of democracy. I
00:21:20.840 think that and the fact that we've been able to shed light on it, I think is a good thing. But I
00:21:26.600 think the bigger thing actually, is that conservatives, but particularly conservative
00:21:31.240 politicians need to step their game up and and go after these groups and and shine the light on what
00:21:36.520 they really are. And I think Canadians are smart enough to make their to make the appropriate
00:21:40.520 decisions if if politicians actually take the lead, if that makes sense.
00:21:45.000 Oh, absolutely. I think that there would be a huge appetite for a politician who is willing to speak
00:21:50.200 out against this, this chaos, this lawlessness. And, you know, you make a good point about how
00:21:54.600 we protect hospital workers as we should. But why don't we extend that same courtesy to the blue collar 0.98
00:22:00.600 workers in Northern British Columbia, Northern Vancouver Island, who are just trying to go to work in
00:22:04.600 the same way as doctors and nurses. There really is a double standard. And, you know, it's it's it's
00:22:10.520 it speaks, I think, volumes about the sort of snobbiness of the legacy media and politicians who who
00:22:17.080 cheerlead, you know, the laws against protecting doctors and nurses and then completely, like we said,
00:22:23.880 turn a blind eye. Well, Aaron, it's been such a pleasure. Thank you so much for joining the
00:22:27.240 Candice Malcolm show. I hope you have a wonderful holiday and a Merry Christmas. Thank you, Candice.
00:22:32.920 Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you as well. All right. Thank you so much. I'm Candice Malcolm.
00:22:37.960 And this is the Candice Malcolm show.