Juno News - February 27, 2020
The illegal blockade protesters legitimately think their actions are justified
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Summary
In this episode, I talk to two of Canada s leading environmental activists and Mohawk warriors behind the anti-oil sands blockades and the protests that have been taking place across the country since the beginning of the week. We talk about the ideology behind the protests, and the people who are on both sides of the issue.
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One thing that I've really learned these past few days as we've watched these
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blockades, protests, and general hashtag shutdown Canada activity try and bring
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our economy to a halt is that one should never underestimate the power of strong
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ideology. What do I mean by that? Well I've spoken to two of the leading
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activists who are behind sort of two different, although not mutually
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exclusive sides of all these protests. I spoke to one of the leading climate
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justice activists in the country and I spoke to one of the big Mohawk warriors
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in the country behind those Belleville blockades we saw and I thought there was
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an interesting component to both of those conversations. The climate justice
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activist was someone from Toronto 350. Now 350 is this much larger organization
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that an American environmental activist put together a number of years ago and
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these are these are pretty close to being the most alarmist out there. I don't
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think they're as bonkers as the Extinction Rebellion people but they're
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really up there in terms of their belief that we're gonna have imminent
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destruction of basically the world as we know it in our lives if we do not do very
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extreme aggressive action immediately. Shut down the oil sands entirely, all that
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kind of stuff, force everyone into electric cars, windmills, all that jazz. They very
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passionately believe it but I must say the gentleman I spoke to, he's really cool as a
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cucumber and he was very serious and committed and calm about it and I think
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one of the reasons why he was not shaken by anything that was happening because we
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spoke at the time that there were arrests happening all across the country and and
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lots of drama is that they're true believers. These are people who have sat down and
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they really seriously believe that things are as dire as they are and that
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their actions are entirely justified. Same for the Mohawk warrior gentleman I spoke to,
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Andrew Brandt is his name and he was basically saying look we have a problem
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here where First Nations people do not need to answer to crown laws and this is
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all colonial settler stuff and so forth therefore yes we're fully within our
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right to blockade this that and the other and he lays it out in a methodical
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case I completely disagree with all of his all of the groundwork and that all of
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the first principles he's using to come to those conclusions I think he's wrong and
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many First Nations if not the majority of them disagree with him as well that does
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not represent the views of First Nations but again very interesting to see
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someone who's a true believer in all of that and then the problem is on the flip
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side the people who don't support these blockades who do not want their
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commutes to be halted as they have been in Toronto people trying to get out of
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downtown found they couldn't because activists were blocking go transit lines
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and via rail blockade lines these are just regular decent probably
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nonpartisan good-natured middle-class Canadians who are just saying yeah you
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know I care about the environment I mean let's recycle and let's you know make
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sure we're not polluting excessively and whatnot have some regulations and
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restrictions but yes let's grow the economy and okay let's go have the old
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sands happen I mean it matters for Alberta we care for our Albertan friends and
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neighbors let's do all that jazz let's try and sort of find some compromise and
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that is not an ideological position those are just regular folks out there who are
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living their lives and are taking the moderate position in all of this now the
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center I think is there I think that is still the center and it's kind of
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heartening to see so many Canadians and so many First Nations people reject all of
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this stuff but I think the reason why we are going to see continued blockades and
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why these people have really had momentum on their side these activists is
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because they've got the zeal they've got the passion they've got the true
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ideological belief because regular folks just going home on their commutes who
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have the very moderate and reasonable view of all it's you know be nice to the
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environment while also grow our economy they're not out there protesting picketing
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they're not they don't have finances underwriting their views from big American
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organizations and so forth they're not the ones hammering on Justin Trudeau's door
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badgering all these different people get on board with our agenda they're not the
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ones with the ask that's the problem middle-class stability which is which
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is what our country is all about that is not a demand that is kind of a natural
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resting place for so many people and they cherish that but they don't do it in
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this sort of very evangelical sense which is why I'm really worried unless we
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kind of beat back some of this strong ideological zeal they're gonna continue to
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advance on all of this they're gonna continue to feel that they have the
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carte blanche to do what they want it's not enough to shut down the protests as
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they emerge and of course that's what should happen if someone's blockading a
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rail line you shut it down right away police move in immediately which they did
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in Toronto the other day when those rail lines were blockaded kudos to them too
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bad the OPP didn't do that in Belleville and too bad that didn't happen in other
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places in British Columbia and Montreal more recently but that is just the
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specifics the sort of day-to-day tactics the overall strategy is we have to push
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back against the narrative and we're seeing that more and more from some
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corners even the people who author those intergovernmental panel on climate
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change reports that do say we have a problem on our hands they're coming out
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and they're saying Greta Thunberg AOC sorry but you're kind of
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overshooting right now and we wish you just kind of calm down and step back a
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little bit the rest of us need to do that now conservatives need to do that
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more the conservative leadership race needs to push back against this really
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alarmist agenda that's happening from a lot of climate activists because their
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ideological zeal that's one that's taken up a lot of space getting a lot of the
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airtime and sort of giving a free pass to a lot of the antics they're doing
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that's why it seems they have the wind at their sails even though there aren't
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really that many of them but it's why when Greta Thunberg comes here to do her
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events in downtown Toronto and elsewhere you get tens of thousands of people
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showing up behind them they go aren't these just decent moderate people what
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are they doing beside this fire and brimstone roadshow that is just not not
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a balanced event to be attending so it's time to push back not just when it comes
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to police shutting down barricades but to push back on the underlying philosophy of
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all this to push in the other direction tell everyone let's calm down and let's
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cool our jets and talk a bit more reasonably about all of this