Juno News - The Kids Are All Right

00:00:00.000 Hi, Juno News. Hope you're all having a Merry Christmas. I'm Alexander Brown. I'm director

00:00:07.240 of the National Citizens Coalition. I'm a writer, communicator, campaigner, jack of all trades,

00:00:12.360 master of none. Thrilled to be here with you. And while you are here, take advantage of our

00:00:16.300 promo code, junonews.com slash not sorry for 20% off. The present is seemingly a never-ending

00:00:23.180 challenge, but the future does look bright for young conservatism. Canada no longer offers a

00:00:28.740 birthright to its young, its working in middle classes, and that ever-expanding missing middle.

00:00:34.020 There are those who would argue otherwise, but they're liars. Unvetted mass immigration has been 0.99

00:00:38.800 adjusted, but is largely continuing. With shadowy lobby groups like the Century Initiative, with

00:00:43.540 BlackRock, McKinsey, and mainstream ties working to continue to turn over the Canadian economy into a

00:00:49.780 kind of Tim Horton's model of replacement cogs who will cost less, put up with more, and be discarded

00:00:56.620 like a roll-up-the-rim-to-win cup the second they're no longer willing to put up with shoddy

00:01:00.580 treatment and conditions. Those second-order impacts on the housing market have been astonishing.

00:01:06.460 Despite their claims to the contrary, the carny liberals are on track to fail on their housing 0.85

00:01:10.480 targets in the six figures, with only a few thousand dog crates and more forever rental apartments

00:01:16.440 being built. And that's meant to placate the supermajority of young Canadians who have been made to 0.99

00:01:21.440 believe housing is now only attainable for the rich. Family doctors and reasonable healthcare wait

00:01:26.940 times, those two have become a thing of the past. With Alberta moving to make minor changes that must

00:01:32.340 be wholly supported and encouraged to move our failed and failing system away from resembling Cuba 1.00

00:01:38.040 and North Korea's and towards a European, Japanese, or yes, American-style model where tiers and streams

00:01:45.280 of care are available immediately, and we get value for our hard-earned dollars or tax dollars,

00:01:51.180 not just the equal sharing of misery and dying on wait lists out of spite. And culturally, perhaps

00:01:56.620 there's been no greater change in Canada than over the past few years. Young Canadians increasingly 1.00

00:02:01.540 identify as conservative, heritage-minded, and they're tired of the worst of woke excess, particularly

00:02:07.840 young men. Our guest today, Kate Marland, is right on that young conservative frontier. She's one of

00:02:14.180 Canada's top young conservative organizers through the Canada Strong and Free Network, and she previously

00:02:19.420 stewarded the Liberty Leads program with the Montreal Economic Institute. You can also find her terrific

00:02:24.880 writing at Without Diminishment, where she serves as a contributing editor. She is at the forefront of

00:02:30.620 what some describe as a new right. I'm thrilled to get to talk to her today, and first, a word from our

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00:04:17.960 this link at candicemalcolm.com slash MACAMI. Kate Marlin joins us. Kate's a young conservative 1.00

00:04:24.140 influence on the ascendancy. She's run programs with both the Montreal Economic Institute and the

00:04:29.640 Canada Strong and Free Network. Prior to this, she worked as a commercial litigator in Ottawa. Kate,

00:04:33.920 welcome. Hi, Alex. Thanks for having me on. That's great to have you here over the holidays.

00:04:39.580 Kate, there are some in our sphere who could perhaps be criticized for viewing establishment

00:04:45.220 conservatism through primarily an economic lens, an austerity lens. But in your work with Gen Z students,

00:04:52.380 that next generation of young conservatives, what actually animates them? Is it economic issues

00:04:59.460 like high taxes, inflation, tax cuts, and reducing government spending? Or are you seeing and

00:05:05.360 hearing something else? Well, I mean, I think that we're almost coming to a bit of a consensus on this

00:05:12.140 issue, which is great. But in my experience for now, over two years, I've been running programs for

00:05:19.620 young, targeting young conservatives and also attending a variety of events for young conservatives

00:05:25.400 primarily. And what I keep hearing is that these are not really the only issues that matter. I mean,

00:05:32.000 obviously, I think the issue of the next months and potential future election will be immigration.

00:05:38.380 That is really front and center in the minds of these young people. But they're also very concerned

00:05:44.460 about, you know, the lack of national identity we have in this country. We have a lot of young people

00:05:48.840 who are concerned about our ability to defend ourselves in an ever kind of growing, ever hostile

00:05:54.200 world. And people are also very concerned about, you know, starting families and the ability to,

00:06:01.140 you know, form family bonds. And they're very concerned, too, about the kind of lack of culture

00:06:07.880 that we have here in Canada. It seems that, you know, the only thing that unites us is that we hate the

00:06:12.760 U.S. for some reason. And young people just, it's not inspiring. It's a very negative message for young

00:06:19.120 people. It is. And I think they're growing up in an era more so than the eras previous where it's

00:06:25.040 to be a Canadian is defined by anti-Americanism. And like that's just oppositional defiance. That's

00:06:32.020 not actually anything of substance. Like that's considered a disorder if you went in and talked to a

00:06:36.520 doctor. So is this the quote-unquote new right that we're hearing about in our sphere right now

00:06:43.420 to the uninitiated in our audience? And I don't begrudge them, you know, nor want them to be

00:06:49.240 terminally online. There have been all kinds of conversations recently across publications

00:06:53.040 about sort of what the future of Canadian conservatism is coming out of an election loss that

00:06:59.420 many hoped would be a win. And should we be wading more into these culture issues and

00:07:04.440 and heritage issues, national identity issues? Is this kind of the crux of this kind of new

00:07:10.180 right argument? Well, I think that a place that I start from when I'm thinking about this is that

00:07:16.740 I am always very guided by the words of Tony Robbins when he said, if you want better answers,

00:07:21.900 you have to ask better questions. And I think that coming out of the election, obviously that was not

00:07:28.220 the answer that we wanted to the question that was posed. And so I have been thinking about a lot

00:07:34.240 in my work with young conservatives about, you know, what are the questions we should be asking

00:07:38.240 of them? And it really seems that the questions that are going unasked are, you know, questions

00:07:42.680 about national culture and identity, questions about, you know, our immigration levels, questions

00:07:47.440 about how we can, you know, create a society that is encouraging of young families to flourish.

00:07:54.720 And this is what we really need to place a focus on. And my question that I put back to people

00:07:59.620 who push back on this and say, they don't want to get in the waters of the culture wars,

00:08:04.000 culture wars. Yeah. Yeah. Why not? You know, why wouldn't we try something else? Why wouldn't

00:08:10.960 we try something new? The net, I would say, is essentially wide open for us on the right to

00:08:18.960 form a cohesive kind of cultural vision for the future of this country. And there seems to be kind

00:08:26.820 of no downside, in my opinion, to trying something different when we've been trying essentially

00:08:31.300 different iterations of the same exact message for, you know, the past 10 years to no great

00:08:37.240 success. And we can give ourselves all the kind of cope that we want, like, oh, we got an unprecedented

00:08:42.320 share of the popular voter, all these things. The thing is, is that we still lost. And it doesn't

00:08:52.640 really help other than, you know, like, self soothing a bit to be like, oh, we still did really

00:08:56.800 well. If we just had the NDP come in, then, then we would have won. I just, you know, why wouldn't

00:09:04.000 we change our approach a little bit and see how it works? And, you know, and if, if I'm wrong, then

00:09:08.260 I'm wrong. And I'll say, you know, we actually shouldn't have gone into these issues. But it seems

00:09:13.280 based on the response, Alex, that we are actually getting a lot of young people who are interested in

00:09:17.700 engaging in these issues. And I would say that we should kind of run with that.

00:09:20.980 They are. And I think that's kind of part of your growing influence in this sphere. I'm playing some

00:09:26.920 small part as an aging millennial. You guys have the years on me being younger, but we're seeing it

00:09:32.300 in the polls, too, where the polls aren't everything. And we can see the rug poll can happen there going

00:09:36.420 into what ended up being a deeply dishonest, cynical, elbows up election that the 18 to sort of 34s, and

00:09:44.440 then even the 34s to 54, 55 are polling very strongly in favor of right leaning conservative

00:09:51.260 common sense policies. It's, it's among amongst the sort of gerontocracy crowd with sort of these

00:09:56.960 carny seniors, where it gets away from them to pretty staggering percentage points, like 65%,

00:10:02.380 66% of, of a more mature Canadian electorate are leaning increasingly liberal so that there is that open

00:10:11.540 goal, there is this opportunity. And evidently, there's not an aversion then, you know, from our

00:10:17.200 population who can be averse to all kinds of normal things and get to things on tape delay that they

00:10:23.380 should crack down on quicker, like legalized crime and unvetted migration. But so how do you see,

00:10:30.160 we talked to this new right and these, these kids, like, how do you see these, these kind of job

00:10:34.180 market difficulties they're failing, like facing, we're seeing record youth unemployment, including

00:10:40.140 competition from immigration, sort of the wreckage of this post COVID economy, contributing to the 0.99

00:10:46.720 appeal that that conservative politics, conservative politics is presently offering them?

00:10:52.460 Yeah, I mean, so a big part of my most recent role with the MEI, I was working with young people and

00:10:57.320 kind of picking out the best and the brightest from across Canada, bringing them together for a seminar,

00:11:02.440 helping connect them with job opportunities. And what I heard time and again, from these young

00:11:06.920 people who are, you know, very high achievers, very driven, you know, many of them can't even get jobs

00:11:12.400 or their friends can't get jobs. And this is really, you know, the most important thing to them,

00:11:18.380 right? Like, if you can't get a job, then, then what's the what do you have to live for? How can you

00:11:23.520 work towards all these other things? And, you know, it's interesting, because I am very much of the

00:11:29.920 mindset that, you know, hard work pays off. And you know, if you just put your back into it, you can

00:11:35.060 get ahead. But I think it's becoming increasingly clear, especially to young people, that this kind

00:11:41.220 of social contract that we had previously is no longer really in effect, right? The what I would

00:11:47.200 see with the young people is that they do actually work very hard, they are very driven. And we kind

00:11:52.340 of minimize their concerns by saying, Oh, well, all Gen Z people are lazy. And they're all you know, 0.99

00:11:57.660 they're just not trying hard enough. And they have no idea how hard it was back in the day. But

00:12:02.080 if we say to them, Okay, well, you know, you just aren't working hard enough. It's,

00:12:06.880 it's not that it's that we've imported, you know, all of these people to take these kind of what were

00:12:12.360 formerly entry level jobs. And, and they're frustrated, and they're sick of it. And they're

00:12:17.700 also very, very tired. And I mean, recently, we have seen a positive push by the party to address

00:12:24.640 these concerns with the temporary foreign workers. But it's kind of no surprise that these young 0.98

00:12:29.840 people are becoming increasingly feeling marginalized by partisan politics, because they don't feel

00:12:35.920 that their concerns are being heard.

00:12:38.460 No, very much so. And so much of that is a is that failure to launch piece where you think of like

00:12:44.540 your student summer jobs, think of when you were a teenager, like I would like pump gas, I would work

00:12:49.460 in landscaping, I would I would serve ice cream. And now you're being replaced by like a 37 year old 0.99

00:12:55.580 from Amritz are like, that's like, that's kind of crazy, right? And how can you not be? How can you

00:13:01.760 not be upset about that? And one thing I wanted to highlight was how many young conservatives actually

00:13:08.480 come from immigrant families, like they fled socialism or communism, who, you know, they have a family unit

00:13:14.460 that holds traditional and non secular values, or in the case of Indian Canadians, they thought that

00:13:19.920 they were leaving the Calistanis and the hairy envies and this lower caste behind. Why do you think 1.00

00:13:26.180 the media seems to ignore that this young conservative groundswell is inherently multicultural?

00:13:33.840 I mean, I think that it's, it doesn't fit their narrative, right? It's like with the freedom convoy.

00:13:38.740 I mean, you know, I was down at the freedom convoy in Ottawa almost every day. I saw people of all,

00:13:44.240 I'm surprised we didn't run into each other. I know, I thought we'd meet there and not, you know,

00:13:48.320 just through this circuit. But yeah. But you know, you saw people of all backgrounds down there that

00:13:53.520 just didn't go along with the narrative that the media. Mohawk, a ton of Mohawk, a ton of French

00:13:59.320 Canadians who just wanted to hold a dance party. Exactly. It was like some of the nicest, best people

00:14:06.380 I've ever come into contact with. And I would say, in my journeys across Canada, meeting with young

00:14:11.300 conservatives, they're of all backgrounds, right? Well, we even get, you know, foreign students coming

00:14:16.360 out to our student events who say, yeah, we need to, this is not a good system. You know, I was sold a

00:14:22.540 false bill of goods that I could come here and do this. And then, you know, it's, it's not working

00:14:27.000 in the way that I was promised or the way that I thought. So I mean, it's like, it's unfortunate,

00:14:33.980 but I will say that we need to be careful in trying to play the game of the left in kind

00:14:42.160 of like highlighting these things, right? We don't need to play along with the kind of,

00:14:47.680 oh, well, we're actually more diverse than you. So that would that be like the woke, right?

00:14:52.940 Would that be the criticism?

00:14:54.700 In some way, I think a little bit. And I mean, I don't think I'm necessarily using the woke,

00:14:59.320 right terminology correctly. But I do think that to a little bit, yeah, we're never going to beat

00:15:03.760 the left at the game that they want to play. Yeah, they're never going to rule. So the rules

00:15:07.620 will change, right? Yeah, exactly. Like the rules will always change. They're never going to say,

00:15:11.380 oh, yeah, we actually are, you know, you're more diverse than us. So we're actually all going to

00:15:15.840 vote for Pierre Polyev now, you know, it's, it's not a not a helpful game. But I do think the fact

00:15:20.900 that this is like a very intellectually and kind of background diverse, young conservative movement

00:15:28.480 is important, especially maybe more on the right to tell people like this is where the young people

00:15:34.000 are going from every background, you don't need to be afraid that, you know, we're going to be

00:15:38.680 built as xenophobic or any of these other world words. It's, yeah, you know, this is where we're

00:15:43.740 going. Yeah. And when it comes to some of like the ostracization they've they've faced or some of

00:15:49.260 this, this branding of what conservatism is, I've seen this firsthand recently, because I'm catching up to

00:15:56.040 your campus experience. I've spoken at UBC twice recently, to my own surprise. And I'm talking to

00:16:03.340 kids whose university environment has actually inspired them to become more conservative and to

00:16:08.420 like form a community because, you know, they've been dealing with these perceptions of censorship,

00:16:13.460 of double standards in academia. They've been made to feel pressure, you know, when they're going to

00:16:19.200 class, and they're surrounded by, you know, the communistic and anti-civilizational, like,

00:16:24.800 how is it further pushing students, you know, that you've worked with towards conservative

00:16:29.400 advocacy? Is there a version of like this, like, this course correction based on some of these,

00:16:34.160 these terrible trends, these sort of sensorious trends they experience?

00:16:38.880 Yeah, I mean, if you put a bunch of young people in an environment together, and you tell, you know,

00:16:45.200 most 50% of them that they're bad people just for inherently being born as men, and, you know,

00:16:51.140 another 50% that they're bad because they're born as white, or, you know, they're settlers, or all

00:16:55.880 of these things, inherently, there's going to be a backlash to that. And when you pair that with the

00:17:03.040 kind of emptying of, you know, any kind of sociocultural national identity in Canada, it really will

00:17:10.060 push young people to extremes. And I actually don't necessarily fault them for that. What I, the people

00:17:16.020 that I really fault for this is, you know, the, the people, especially on the right, who have gone

00:17:21.540 along with these conditions, that have allowed, you know, this kind of like, young extremism to kind

00:17:28.380 of go unfettered, because they're presented with no good option. Yeah. And, you know, it's been

00:17:35.560 conservatives that have been arm in arm with the liberals for decades on all of these kind of

00:17:41.440 policies that have emptied any sort of meaning from, you know, our institutions and from our

00:17:47.900 national identity. And then we kind of, a bunch of conservatives suddenly discover who Nick Fuentes

00:17:53.220 is, because he goes on Tucker Carlson's podcast, and they're all up in arms that they're in so

00:17:57.380 shocked that young people are resonating with this message. And it's like, well, you've just been

00:18:01.340 asleep at the wheel, kind of. Yeah, you pushed them there. And you pushed them there years maybe

00:18:06.740 before you became aware or wanted to be to become aware of that there's, then there's obviously been

00:18:12.900 a very real impact on the right of sort of a viral TikTok Instagram factor where these, the content on

00:18:22.680 these platforms, there's a version of social media influence, clearly, like we all, we all have, I think

00:18:28.900 you and I might have a similar algorithm where you get some, some very based terminology for our audience,

00:18:34.900 so sort of traditional minded, some really funny jokes, and then you come across something where

00:18:39.840 you're like, oh, no, like the kids are seeing, the kids are seeing on one hand, like, let's fix

00:18:45.040 immigration, that's great. And then like, they're getting like a speech from the age man. And you're

00:18:49.120 like, that's, that's, that is unprecedented, because they didn't used to get that in the era of

00:18:54.460 traditional media, they certainly didn't get that on cable TV. And now they have unfettered access to

00:19:00.240 the similarly disenfranchised, the similarly alienated, who have been made to feel guilty,

00:19:05.480 who are who are being sort of pushed into this, this cold, dark corner where light doesn't get in

00:19:10.880 and nothing can grow. And some of those guys happen to be very talented rhetorically and good at

00:19:16.380 comms and good at producing videos. And so they're getting like hype reels for like history's greatest

00:19:22.100 monsters. And we're trying to let the conservative establishment know in this audience know that that

00:19:27.960 is a real thing. And it is a shocking factor. And so I hope we we account for that. Because

00:19:34.140 otherwise, I think that we might both agree, but you you might have more experience in this,

00:19:39.580 like the conservatives have done a good job at at cultivating young voters through these,

00:19:45.300 through these platforms, like, if you were them, how would you continue to do that? Like,

00:19:50.000 would you make any adjustments here or there? Or is it just, you know, keep doing what you're doing

00:19:54.600 with with Polly Eve and co? I mean, it seems that we're on a on a better track right now,

00:20:00.540 from what I've kind of like seen and talking about with young people. But I think where we have gone

00:20:05.540 off track, and this would be my word of caution to kind of conservative establishment type people is

00:20:12.520 that they need to understand that they're not going to get anywhere by kind of finger wagging and

00:20:20.060 scolding young people. It's not young people's fault that you just became aware that a majority

00:20:28.040 of young people are listening to Nick Fuentes. Like it's, it's your fault for not paying attention

00:20:32.760 and not actually asking the right questions of young people to identify what their real concerns are.

00:20:38.120 And I think a little bit a point of kind of clarification, too, is that there's kind of two

00:20:44.060 camps of young people that I primarily deal with. It's the young people who are very involved in

00:20:48.500 partisan politics. And they play the game slightly differently, right? They have different kind of

00:20:53.560 nitty grittier concerns. And they also probably are very aware that if they are in a kind of

00:20:58.620 conservative networking place, they're not going to bring up that they, you know, are exposed to

00:21:02.560 these extremist inputs or that this is what they're hearing from their friends.

00:21:06.140 They're all positioning for the summer internship program or like to end up in the consultant stream.

00:21:10.780 Yeah. Yeah. And then on the other side, you have kind of just normal young people. If you go to

00:21:15.840 the bar and you bring up immigration, you'll probably get unanimous consensus that something is

00:21:20.900 very wrong. And also probably most of them have seen a Nick Fuentes reel on their Instagram or on

00:21:27.040 TikTok. So I would just, I would, it's been interesting kind of seeing the backlash following

00:21:34.740 the Charlie Kirk assassination and the Nick Fuentes stuff to kind of say, oh my gosh, all the young

00:21:39.760 people are really bad and we need to kind of like penalize them and get control of this. And it's

00:21:44.020 like, this is not the way, what we need to do is craft a positive, compelling vision, which is I

00:21:49.780 think at, without diminishment and kind of what we're doing with writing about this and all of the

00:21:54.680 discourse online, trying to figure out what is going to be our positive vision for Canada. And then

00:21:59.360 this is what we sell to young people so that they're not just watching, as you said, you know,

00:22:03.620 historical, really cool edits with fun music of history's greatest monsters, because that is very

00:22:09.740 compelling. Yeah. And we'll like a 67 year old from the Harper government that they have no connection

00:22:16.380 to telling them that they're bad people for doing so. Is that going to resonate with them more than

00:22:22.280 the community to a community that is also sharing and like their pain, right? Because it does come from

00:22:28.780 somewhere that is inherently negative. And so on the community building effort front, like I've been

00:22:34.580 talking to these campus clubs. I know you work with them, like for folks like us working in the,

00:22:39.300 in the, in the schools, like I think of Jamil Giovanni's recent speaker tour as well. Like,

00:22:44.760 will this play into this normalization? Like, is this the strategy? Is it, is it meet them where they

00:22:49.320 are? Because it seems like there's other people who want to meet them where they wish they were,

00:22:53.560 that they would come to them. But it's like, these are kids, they're stubborn,

00:22:56.420 they're stubborn and they're upset and they don't have jobs. Like, should we not be going to them,

00:23:00.740 you know, hat in hand, like, Hey, our bad, like we really screwed up your last 10 years.

00:23:06.060 You're now in a country with no upward mobility. You, you don't have a birthright anymore. Whoopsie.

00:23:12.260 The century initiative took that from you. Like, should we not be, you know, giving them a little

00:23:16.700 bit of a soft sell here and not piling on? Yeah, I totally agree. I think that the right strategy

00:23:23.440 is to, you know, go to the campuses, talk to kids. I think what Jamil is doing is great. I think,

00:23:29.820 you know, what you've been doing going to UBC is wonderful. I think, you know, it's easy to kind of

00:23:37.240 look at the state of the conservative movement and young people in Canada and say, well, why isn't

00:23:41.480 there anything that exists for them? But in reality, there are a lot of people who are trying to engage

00:23:46.400 with young people. And I think that the critical thing is to go in with an open mind and ask good

00:23:52.600 questions and say, okay, like, be honest with me. How bad is it? How can we help? What, where do you

00:23:58.780 see this going? And you're going to get, you know, a million and five different answers. And some of

00:24:03.020 them could be good. And some of them could be, you know, extremely abhorrent. But I do believe,

00:24:08.820 you know, like bringing all of this to the light is the best way to move forward. And the answer

00:24:14.080 cannot be, and I say this with as much respect as possible, the people who were in charge of the

00:24:21.300 regime during COVID, who effectively one-shotted these young people's social lives for several

00:24:27.720 years and have not once apologized to them or taken any accountability and felt any of the

00:24:34.300 repercussions. Yeah. They have no idea. And then now they're coming in to say, okay, yeah, I'm going to

00:24:40.180 be, you know, cool on immigration now. So you should listen to me and I can still tell you and

00:24:44.320 maybe that you shouldn't listen to Theo Vaughn. That is not going to help. So I think that's,

00:24:50.820 that's the key is that we need to be self-aware and realize just how poorly these, these young

00:25:00.020 people have had it, how poorly they've been treated by the establishment. Yeah. And then say, okay,

00:25:05.060 get on board. We're not going to, you know, wag our fingers at you for being extremists.

00:25:10.760 Let's bring you to the good side. Let's build a compelling vision for the future of Canada. And

00:25:15.220 I think we can do that. And they're in a position to put themselves out there. And I like to their

00:25:21.720 credit, like, you know, you go speak at these schools and, you know, these young men and young

00:25:26.120 women, it's not just young men, you know, they're presentable, they're congenial, they're getting out of 1.00

00:25:31.100 their shell. They're telling you like, I'm sending out hundreds of resumes and I'm being absolutely

00:25:35.060 screwed over. But they want to be part of the solution. They want to get involved in campaigns.

00:25:40.100 They want to contribute. I was just meeting with a poor guy who was working on this political essay

00:25:44.940 and whip smart has worked in all the political programs. He sent out 150 resumes this year. He's

00:25:49.920 just finishing at school and he can't get absolutely anywhere, but he's not giving up and he's not overly

00:25:55.260 jaded. He's just and I really admire that. Like, they're not just giving up because like, there are so

00:26:01.940 many who would and I, I worry so greatly about that failure to launch Kate. But before we go, you've been

00:26:07.600 writing some terrific pieces recently. And I'll link to your most recent in the show notes where you, you

00:26:13.640 really hone in on culture, and the role that you hope conservatives in government can play in no longer

00:26:19.400 ceding ground to the liberals and their clear lack of neutrality. When it when it comes to the fine arts,

00:26:24.880 which is your background, along with law, you call for the need to restore and define highbrow

00:26:29.860 culture. How would you like to see that dynamic change? Like, what's the what's the need there?

00:26:34.800 And then what's the opportunity? So I think it could be really overwhelming to get into the

00:26:40.460 conversation on culture. And that's why I think we need to be really hyper specific about what it is

00:26:47.580 that we want the government to do. Because I think, you know, there's a bit of a consensus now that

00:26:53.920 the government needs to do something about culture. And so my perspective on the situation

00:26:59.660 is that I think that we should focus government support on what I've referred to as highbrow

00:27:04.740 cultural pursuits. So you know, opera, symphony, ballet, you know, fine architecture, like these

00:27:12.360 kind of things that have been historically, you know, reserved for the the upper class or been

00:27:16.980 branded as you know, kind of out of touch with every person. The reality is, is that most people,

00:27:23.540 I would say almost everyone objectively understands what is beautiful, what is good, what is true.

00:27:29.000 You can put on a Mozart symphony for a baby, and they will, you know, probably under, you know,

00:27:34.660 or a five year old, or, you know, anyone who might think, you know, that this is not for them. And they

00:27:40.580 can say, Oh, yeah, this is beautiful. This is, you know, relaxing, this is something worth preserving.

00:27:46.140 So I think that this is where we need to focus the efforts of the government into, you know,

00:27:51.900 these things that have historically held a lot of value, a lot of tradition. And it seems like a

00:27:57.880 perfect alignment for us on the right, who are, you know, crying out for, you know, tradition,

00:28:03.940 identity rooted in our history, to align ourselves with these kind of things.

00:28:07.980 Yeah, look at look at what's happened to our museums and our art galleries, where it's just

00:28:12.680 the social justice struggle session, where we're inventing grievances and, and, and slaveries that

00:28:18.580 happened here that did not happen here. And we're conflating genocides that weren't genocides. There

00:28:24.000 were there are generational wrongs and tragedies, but they weren't genocides. And so all that happens in

00:28:29.620 a cultural vacuum. I don't see why conservatives are expected to be neutral when none of that neutrality

00:28:35.820 was, was shown back in their direction. I personally, I want to see an architectural standard. You walk

00:28:41.200 through our cities now, they're hideous. It's, it's brutalism. It's, it's all glass and concrete

00:28:46.620 and stone. And there's no, there's no care. It's these, these bomb and gouge foreign condos. 0.88

00:28:52.180 Like it's, why don't we care about how things look anymore? Like we had think of our dominion

00:28:56.560 aesthetic. It was beautiful. Yeah. And they've just like, let it go. No, we have. And so Kate Marlin's

00:29:04.140 one to watch. She's she's on the side of the kids. She's, she's doing terrific work as a 0.66

00:29:09.600 young conservative organizer. And, and Kate, thank you so much for joining us today.

00:29:14.000 Thanks for having me, Alex.

Juno News - January 03, 2026

The Kids Are All Right

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