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The legacy media is FREAKING out over Musk’s Twitter takeover

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In this week's Fake News Friday hot seat, the great Sue Ann levy is joined by the great Ann levy, a veteran journalist, columnist, former political candidate and my wonderful colleague at True North, to discuss all things fake news.

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00:00:00.000 welcome everyone to another edition of fake news friday swimming through the you don't really swim
00:00:15.680 through a blizzard of lies you don't really swim through a blizzard swimming through the
00:00:19.440 whirlpool of lies i guess we're already starting with fake news i'm doing cesspool there we go
00:00:25.440 swimming through the cesspool of lies staying warm through the blizzard of lies i'm mixing my
00:00:29.620 metaphors left right and center here as you just heard they're joined in a very special turn of
00:00:35.180 events here on the program by the great sue ann levy veteran journalist columnist former political
00:00:41.340 candidate and my wonderful colleague at true north on another friday november 4th 2022 sue ann great to
00:00:49.140 have you on the fake news friday hot seat for the first time how's the week been it's been very
00:00:55.000 interesting and i just want you to know before we start that i'm fake too
00:00:59.020 every part of me is fake so i fit in with fake news friday like just today or has your entire
00:01:06.940 career been like a simulation from mark zuckerberg's metaverse according to my critics i am a fake so
00:01:13.040 okay well we'll try to find the strains of reality that only uh the true north powerhouse that is you
00:01:20.260 and i today can deliver to people here uh speaking of the twitter trolls let's talk about twitter here
00:01:27.000 because this week has been incredible as elon musk cements his grasp on the ownership of twitter and
00:01:33.260 to my knowledge he hasn't even made a single change in the overall user experience certainly some
00:01:40.040 executives have been fired but he's talked about making people pay for check marks which is like
00:01:45.300 either i don't even know if he's trying to troll people or if it's genuinely the policy direction
00:01:49.860 they're going but it has caused like a blue check mark freak out and i know you and i both have the
00:01:55.140 coveted blue check marks but i like to think we aren't exactly part of the blue check brigade
00:01:59.560 like some of our current and former colleagues in media are yeah you know it's a very bizarre reaction
00:02:07.220 actually for the longest time i didn't even know i had a blue check mark or what it meant
00:02:11.720 but uh hey you know some people covet it and they think that they're extra special you know a lot of
00:02:19.200 the legacy media think they are extra special anyway so blue check mark just adds to their their you know
00:02:25.260 feeling of speciality so i mean they're they've gone absolutely nuts now i is it true that donald trump
00:02:33.940 got let back on twitter i think they've talked about it i don't think it's happened yet he he said
00:02:39.380 that people who were banned or suspended for i i forget the wording he used but it was like minor or
00:02:44.860 something experience uh infractions would be brought back he he said he'll have a review and and all that
00:02:51.320 but i to be honest it's like trump coming back is gonna just absolutely uh send the world of blue
00:02:57.920 check marks into a frenzy but the taking their money i think is particularly hilarious because the
00:03:03.560 latest uh version of the policy i think is that to keep your blue check mark you're going to have
00:03:07.960 to pay eight dollars a month but it also sounds like everyone will be able to even if you're not
00:03:13.140 a celebrity or journalist or you know former county dog catcher you'll be able to pay the eight dollars
00:03:19.000 and if you prove your identity you'll get a check mark so it's going to be a symbol of you being a
00:03:23.700 real person not just this thing reserved for the elites and the blue check brigade in canada
00:03:30.380 has been particularly exceptional in its response i want to read a couple of them here
00:03:35.220 ian hannah mancing of cbc his was a bit tamer he said i don't know how this will end for now
00:03:41.400 but let's hope good thoughtful people can overcome the noise so he's taking a bit more of a hopeful
00:03:46.280 approach david aiken of global news where i used to work says once again elon has it backwards pay us
00:03:53.740 blue checks twenty dollars a month and maybe we'll stay every ad agency and media organization has the
00:03:59.880 analytics there's no business case to be made to pay for a blue check so david aiken is saying
00:04:04.160 that he is providing such a critical and pivotal public service to twitter users that he should be
00:04:09.960 paid twenty dollars a month for the privilege of his voluntary tweeting would you pay twenty dollars
00:04:15.340 a month to see david aiken's tweets absolutely not actually he's blocked me so i can't see them
00:04:20.200 anyway so yeah he should yeah you shouldn't be able to block people if you're getting paid to tweet
00:04:24.940 exactly so you know the blue check mark it should come with some conditions first of all if you're
00:04:31.320 going to have to pay for a blue check mark and i don't suspect that's going to happen but you know
00:04:36.820 there's a lot of anonymous trolls on twitter who take a great stabs that i know at me and i'm certainly
00:04:43.460 i i'm certain at you as well and say some pretty horrific things and they do that from behind their veil
00:04:50.500 of anonymity and you know if the blue check mark ends that i mean i i i've always stood up for what
00:04:58.220 i believe in and you know my name is out there and yours is as well um and so you know if it gets rid
00:05:06.280 of those anonymous trolls so be it um i wouldn't and the other thing is as we said david aiken has
00:05:14.500 blocked me anybody that they don't like who criticizes him or says something that you know
00:05:20.040 he's well known for blocking people who criticize him as i do ndp politicians i have a whole host of
00:05:27.300 them who have blocked me so if you want to be on twitter you want to have your blue check mark you're
00:05:31.320 not allowed to block people so i think it's not a bad idea if the you know under those conditions
00:05:38.580 yeah i mean the idea and i don't even know if it's serious or if he's just so offended by the concept
00:05:43.160 of having to pay that it's just his natural response but it's like there are people with
00:05:47.040 blue check marks who are the reporter for a newspaper that has a circulation of you know a few
00:05:53.880 hundred or a few thousand in a smaller town and i'm not begrudging them i'm just saying that they
00:05:58.320 aren't hugely influential twitter users and then there are like you know the kim kardashians and
00:06:02.480 the justin beavers who have millions so the idea that like any one of them is providing an equivalent
00:06:07.060 service that should be you know they should be compensated just for being on the on the twitter
00:06:11.440 machine is i think a bit bizarre here and i think there's a tendency in general and this is not
00:06:16.740 about david aiken by a lot of people in media now to confuse twitter with working and twitter with
00:06:24.340 reporting and it's not to say that live tweeting proceedings isn't a key event but there are some
00:06:28.680 people where it's like i'm not sure they're doing much more than just sitting on twitter all day and i
00:06:33.700 think that's the mindset here is that so many of them just view it as this this basically this part of
00:06:39.560 their existence yeah and i you know when i i was in the business for a long year time or i've been in
00:06:46.260 the business for a long time 32 years when i started out we didn't have social media we didn't have it
00:06:51.460 till 2000 i think it was i first went on twitter in 2009 when i ran for the conservatives and so i used
00:06:59.680 it to tweet my stories to promote them it was one more forum but you're right a lot of them do use i can
00:07:05.700 think of one particular uh tick tock star in ottawa he uses twitter a lot to promote whatever
00:07:12.160 now i mean i i do say the odd thing controversial on twitter just the odd thing um without writing
00:07:20.460 a story however um i'm not full-time in the mainstream media anymore and i think you're right
00:07:27.040 about that that that has become their way of conveying what is going on whether it's covering a hearing
00:07:33.000 as you are the freedom convoy or anything else well and it raises the question i mean i'll you i don't
00:07:38.860 want to pick on david aiken but i'll raise the the david aiken scenario here so let's say david aiken
00:07:44.420 with his blue check mark is tweeting away while he's doing his work who gets the 20 a month that
00:07:49.860 he thinks he's owed david aiken the individual or global news and you know who's the owner of the
00:07:55.340 account it's him personally i presume but like are we talking about just making this part of the
00:08:01.580 mainstream media content platforms and that is why i think a lot of these people that are demanding
00:08:06.520 that they be paid for tweeting are like i feel like they're almost trying to do an end run around
00:08:10.560 their the outlet that they work for when they say no no i want to get my salary there but i also want
00:08:15.460 to get a check from elon musk for for tweeting well in a lot of um media now i know we had post media we
00:08:22.940 had a social media policy conduct policy so you're still considered a member of whatever media platform
00:08:31.420 you're writing for so you're right yeah you're representing them regardless yeah where the heck
00:08:35.860 is your money gonna go am i gonna i'm not gonna get i wouldn't get the 20 dollars personally it would
00:08:40.660 go to you know my employer so i i'm not really sure i mean it just it just conveys you know the
00:08:48.940 i guess the absolute arrogance of some of these people who think they are so important that the
00:08:55.840 whole world wants to hear what they have to say yeah and you've got some conspiracy theories emerging
00:09:00.440 too rachel gilmore who's also with global global's winning the uh elon musk freak out discussion here
00:09:05.940 uh rachel gilmore has said it would be great if elon musk could clarify whether there will still be
00:09:11.140 any criteria for verification beyond having eight dollars a month so she's saying like already no no no you
00:09:17.100 you you shouldn't just be able to pay you you need to be able to earn it you need to be you know at
00:09:21.420 that elite level i i guess is how i read it and then she also writes if twitter becomes a platform
00:09:26.460 where anyone with eight dollars can impersonate a president with a blue tick next to their name
00:09:30.340 that would be dangerous so she's interpreting the policy as if i could pay eight dollars and say i want
00:09:35.900 to be sue ann levy with a blue check mark and then go out and you can have it you can you know your
00:09:42.480 career will never recover if my words are put into your twitter account i assure you but it's like
00:09:47.360 i i don't know how you get there like parlor for for example which i i had when it when it first came
00:09:52.840 out before uh the whole january 6th thing happened and they they pulled it offline and parlor had a thing
00:09:58.860 where you could get a a red badge on your account if you submitted proof of who you were so you had to
00:10:05.520 i think like scan your driver's license and and it was a way that you were verifying your your account
00:10:10.680 was real in the sense that it belonged to you and it wasn't like a a status symbol and i i as i take
00:10:15.960 from what elon has proposed that's what it is there so i would say if you take the anonymity away from
00:10:21.220 the trolls the user experience is going to be a lot better i i agree 100 and i think that needs to be a
00:10:27.760 condition because and there are people who will just form fake account after fake account after fake
00:10:33.820 account and just to come after specific people i know i have or they'll do a fake sue ann levy account 0.95
00:10:40.340 i've had a few of those i guess i was told i never made it until i had a fake sue ann levy account
00:10:45.620 that one seems to have disappeared but i you know and you see there's a fake john tory account
00:10:51.460 which was quite amusing during the election but having said it's actually better than the real
00:10:55.700 john tory account yeah i prefer i prefer the fake john tory than the real john tory yeah it's very funny
00:11:02.340 but having said that you shouldn't be able to be definitely if you have a blue check mark able to
00:11:09.400 attack people using some anonymous name that people never know i mean stand up for what you say
00:11:15.780 yeah i i have a big issue with the anonymity on the internet in general because there are people that
00:11:20.640 stick their necks out every day and i don't just mean me i mean people that are a lot more courageous
00:11:24.760 than than i am that stick their necks out at great risk and and you know when someone just
00:11:28.460 lobbed their grenades from the the comfort of you know rando 17925 it's like there's a bit of
00:11:34.200 injustice there but uh let's turn to the the public order emergency commission now this is where i think
00:11:40.340 twitter journalism does have value because there's so much happening you gotta uh you look look to uh
00:11:45.480 sometimes the live tweeting to to keep up with it but uh the convoy organizers were testifying this
00:11:51.540 week and tamera leach uh just started her testimony thursday evening and this is again her first time
00:11:56.840 being able to speak her mind because of the bail conditions that she's under since the convoy ended
00:12:01.820 and there is a little bit of an odd narration going on by some of the mainstream media journalists
00:12:08.260 and in some cases it's proof that they haven't really followed along with the story too closely
00:12:15.100 like there was one for example david baxter who is a videographer i think he's actually with global
00:12:21.840 too this is like global is featuring very heavily in our program today so it's not like we're not
00:12:28.020 doing it deliberately this is not like my revenge for them firing me i've had that already but
00:12:32.020 uh david baxter he tweeted out after the freedom convoys gofundme got shut down chris barber testifies
00:12:37.760 e-transfers went to tamera leach's personal bank account and he doesn't know what happened with all the
00:12:42.680 cash this is a description that makes it sound like tamera leach got a bunch of money into her 1.00
00:12:48.300 personal account and nobody knows where it went that was how that tweet looked and i was in the
00:12:53.460 room when the testimony took place and i've also literally wrote the book on the convoy and i was
00:12:58.720 like well that's i mean that's not it that's an example of how something can be as as dan rather
00:13:03.260 would say fake but accurate like it's the words are technically true but when you string them together
00:13:08.180 like that they're not because what actually happened was they didn't have a not-for-profit account set up
00:13:14.420 yet so tamera leach had a dedicated personal account to receive the money she added chris 1.00
00:13:19.800 barber as a joint account holder so there would be accountability and when he says he doesn't know
00:13:24.520 what happened with all the cash they're talking about entirely different money they're saying when
00:13:29.000 people showed up and handed cash to convoy organizers or to truckers he said i wasn't overseeing
00:13:35.000 that so i don't know how it was distributed that wasn't my wheelhouse and it's amazing how much of an
00:13:41.040 incentive there seems to be for so many in the media to build this very sinister narrative when
00:13:46.320 the facts just don't support that well i think i i've been watching you've been watching it a lot
00:13:52.120 more closely and you wrote a damn fine book by the way um i really enjoyed it um i think watching from
00:13:59.520 afar uh not in the you know the depths of ottawa i think there is a tremendous tremendous uh pressure
00:14:07.740 a push by the mainstream media the legacy media to prove that they were right and some of the
00:14:15.340 some of the testimony or a lot of it has come out you know showing that the emergency
00:14:21.260 uh didn't have to be declared and that you know it wasn't with the bouncy castles and all kinds of
00:14:28.700 stuff it wasn't you know the protest that it was made out to be and i think the mainstream media will
00:14:34.540 grab at any shred any shred like you say and twist it manipulate it to make it seem like they were
00:14:42.620 right all along they didn't do their job in the first place you did your job and some of the
00:14:48.140 independent media did their job but they didn't do their job they didn't bother talking to people 0.97
00:14:53.820 they got it wrong in the first place and they're going to be the damn concern i mean they're going to 0.93
00:14:59.740 make sure that they you know there's never an apology never admission of being wrong so they're 0.97
00:15:05.980 going to manipulate the truth again to make it seem like they're you know that they were right all along
00:15:12.780 yeah and that's that's a tremendously astute observation sue ann because it's a lot like
00:15:19.420 some of the politicians and their coveted measures now that you know so much we've learned about the
00:15:23.820 science has refuted everything they said early on that they've still invested themselves in this one
00:15:28.940 thing and really can't admit they're wrong without shattering all their credibility and you know
00:15:33.100 you look at the media coverage of the convoy it was there russians behind it it was a foreign
00:15:37.340 influence campaign it was violent they were white supremacists when all of those things crumble
00:15:42.700 those stories are still exist and it's like they have to keep fueling that idea that uh that that
00:15:49.100 this thing happened and i mean an example of this uh david aiken tweeted again convoy lawyer wilson's
00:15:54.620 public order emergency commission testimony pointing so far to three potential reasons to
00:15:59.100 invoke the emergencies act so it's like he's trying to make the case for the emergencies act oddly
00:16:04.220 law enforcement leaking info many groups attended the protest no single point of contact or control
00:16:09.580 even freedom court types could not convince the rito sussex group to move
00:16:13.820 i i don't know how you get from those three things to yes the emergencies act was justified it's like
00:16:21.100 i don't even think one of the government of canada's lawyers would try to make that direct leap in the
00:16:25.820 way that david aiken did in the tweet there and didn't they also and you can correct me if i'm wrong
00:16:31.740 didn't they also talk about the fire hoax again and it's been proven wrong that somebody set arson
00:16:37.900 that they were still trying to raise that the specter of that yeah i mean that was like that's probably
00:16:43.340 one of the most incredible examples of not just media malfeasance but political malfeasance because
00:16:49.900 those uh false reports which was completely erroneous completely shattered were cited on the floor of
00:16:55.500 the house of commons and committee by politicians who to my knowledge none of them have apologized
00:17:01.180 or recanted now that that story has crumbled yeah it's just and as you say it's just like covet
00:17:07.900 because we're hearing more and more stories of people having these sudden heart attacks these sudden 0.99
00:17:12.380 strokes and yet i'm still getting those stupid uh texts from shoppers drug mart from the drugstore saying 0.99
00:17:19.580 come and get your booster come and get your booster you're still being pushed there's still 0.99
00:17:23.740 talk about masks um you know people are still wearing masks like they're you know have masked psychosis and
00:17:32.620 i think there are certain members of the media and certain politicians who just will not let it go
00:17:38.780 and they have to be proven that they did the right thing they have to prove i should say that they did the
00:17:44.220 right thing yeah and i think it's really incredible and and you know one thing like i should say is that
00:17:49.820 these commission hearings are incredibly grueling they start at 9 30 in the morning they go to you
00:17:56.140 know on thursday night when tamara leach was testifying it went till i think 7 30 at night
00:18:00.460 and they only took in that time about like an hour and 45 minutes worth of breaks and lunch over the
00:18:05.340 course of the day so there's a lot there and it's interesting because it means that if you're a journalist
00:18:10.780 you've got hours and hours and hours of testimony that you can sort of pluck from to find your story
00:18:15.740 and it's always interesting to see where like a headline will come out of it and i'm like that's
00:18:19.900 that's what you took from today like that's the that's that's the narrative that you extract from
00:18:24.460 this so yeah welcome welcome to my world andrew because i spent so many years covering city hall
00:18:30.540 and i'd sit through council meetings and then you know somebody would cover some shred they they talk to 0.81
00:18:37.420 a politician about some stupid little thing meanwhile ignoring the obscene spending on a 0.97
00:18:42.940 huge project so you know this is the the situation with the legacy media in canada today unfortunately 0.98
00:18:51.420 yeah that's why everyone knows until the end of time 16 orange juice but could anyone tell you the
00:18:57.100 deficit of that same year or something like that so uh this one i i'm interested in your take on it's
00:19:03.100 goes back to ontario politics a lot of the same journalists who i think were cheerleading or
00:19:09.260 certainly running interference for the federal government's crackdown on the convoy protesters
00:19:14.460 are all about charter rights when it comes to the uh decision by the doug ford government to invoke
00:19:20.140 the notwithstanding clause to impose a contract on educational workers in ontario now again i mean
00:19:27.020 say what you will about the notwithstanding clause i've got significant issues with it it is a tool
00:19:32.060 available to provinces and if you don't like that it's a tool available to provinces then deal with
00:19:35.980 the constitution that pierre elliott trudeau uh imposed on the country back in in 1982 but it's
00:19:42.860 been interesting seeing just how much of a pretzel people are twisting themselves in on this issue 0.98
00:19:48.380 they totally missed the you know they are totally disconnected from what justin trudeau did with the
00:19:53.500 emergencies act it's like it didn't happen he didn't impose this on ottawa we didn't have all these
00:20:00.140 lockdowns they just that is sort of the narrative has been history has been reinvented let's put it
00:20:06.700 that way but you know let's talk to nuance in ontario i've spent a lot of years covering teachers unions
00:20:14.380 they're intransigent they will find anything any reason to use kids as pawns and they uh once again
00:20:23.420 after many lockdowns kids being out of school for god knows 200 days was it more than 200 days
00:20:30.460 um you know they're not reading the room the ndp it's mostly the ndp it's uh some of the legacy media
00:20:38.220 they're not reading the room parents want their kids in class kids have are failing math tests their
00:20:45.420 their scores are lower than ever english literacy all those things have really plummeted uh because of
00:20:51.900 covid and because of the lack of in in class instruction and you know i think it's a bit rich
00:20:59.100 for all these people to be screaming and yelling about workers rights well i'm sorry i in this case
00:21:04.940 i do agree with the ford government with stephen lecce that this has to be imposed a strong signal has
00:21:11.420 to be sent to education workers because if it's not the teachers will follow suit and these are
00:21:18.300 cupid workers so there are support administrators eas things like that but the teachers are watching
00:21:24.300 this very closely so make no mistake um they you know they're fighting not just for the cupid workers 0.96
00:21:32.620 but they're fighting for teachers contracts and they're fighting for i mean everything is a ripple
00:21:37.100 effect and you know i feel sorry for kids kids are constantly used as pawns i've watched this over
00:21:43.260 the years in ontario those teachers unions really don't really care about the kids it's they always
00:21:49.420 say it's all about the kids but it's not yeah i would agree with that and and i also think that
00:21:53.900 it's a little cute all the pearl clutching about oh kids must be in school from some of the same unions
00:21:58.940 that were the most outraged by governments trying to eventually ensure that schools stayed open and
00:22:04.860 and i think trust me my primary frustration on that is with the ford government for locking down and
00:22:10.380 shutting down schools as much as they did but at the same time you also have to look at the the
00:22:15.020 unions and a lot of the people that are again getting very pearl clutchy about it right now saying
00:22:19.180 you actually weren't as concerned about kids being in school back when so many jurisdictions were
00:22:24.140 saying it was safe to do so but now it is politically convenient that's the tack you take of oh how dare
00:22:28.940 you uh you know put push us into a situation where kids have to where schools have to be shut down
00:22:33.820 yes and the masking and all that i mean i've heard i've seen tweets where they said how how dare they
00:22:40.940 how dare they impose this notwithstanding clause because kids need to learn that they have the you
00:22:46.700 know that they will have the right to strike when they get older well they're not going to be able to
00:22:51.340 strike they're not going to be able to get a job if they can't read and write so that's the bottom line
00:22:57.180 they got to be in class and they got to you know they got to be subject to you know some
00:23:02.940 in-class instruction serious in-class construction and this is all political theater i feel from the
00:23:10.700 cupid unions and uh from all the activists mostly the ndp in ontario who are screaming and
00:23:17.740 clutching their pearls or whatever they wear i don't know some beads worry beads whatever they wear 0.98
00:23:22.860 there some some of the the media response to this has been amusing andrew coin who i think is always
00:23:29.020 going to be the one to find like the most obscure angle or connection to a story which sometimes we
00:23:33.740 need i mean he like dusted off the like old school constitutional uh lexicon here and uh had in his
00:23:40.700 global mail column what ottawa should say to the provinces i see you're notwithstanding clause and i raise
00:23:45.340 you disallowance which to my knowledge has not been used in like 106 107 years and this is like
00:23:52.780 antiquated section of the constitution that technically allowed the federal government to
00:23:57.420 veto provincial legislation so he wants to have like federal veto authority over the provinces when
00:24:03.420 they use their veto authority over the charter and it's like eventually it's like well who has the veto
00:24:08.940 here everyone but the children yeah well that's the thing it all comes down to kids being used as pawns
00:24:15.100 by the unions and uh i've seen it time and time again i mean what it was in the 90s it was and i
00:24:21.660 don't i'm dating myself but i did cover the province-wide strike in 1997 and they're all standing on the
00:24:28.300 lawn of queens park you know demanding their rights but really it's all about pay it's all about perks
00:24:34.380 uh ontario spends an obscene amount on education and kids are still failing so
00:24:40.700 what are we saying what are the teachers unions are not delivering as far as i'm concerned yeah and
00:24:47.900 i i think it's very much true and anyone that tries to make this you know into some egregious like
00:24:52.940 unconstitutional thing i mean it's the very definition of the constitution to use a section
00:24:56.780 that the uh constitution gives you like liberal mp mark garretson had tweeted just for the record when
00:25:02.380 ford nation used the notwithstanding clause he effectively gave his government the ability to ignore
00:25:07.020 this document with a picture of the charter of rights and freedoms and i i can just restate my
00:25:12.300 response to him which was dude you voted for the emergencies act so i take from that what you will
00:25:17.500 exactly uh we always like to end things on a bit of a light note here it was halloween at the beginning
00:25:25.180 of the week so many of you may have dressed up i was uh stuck in ottawa which was a scary enough
00:25:30.300 place without it being halloween but cbc has decided to unironically run in its first person
00:25:36.780 section which is where people who aren't conventional journalists or columnists share stories from their
00:25:41.020 lives i am a witch i'm not evil and i'm not your halloween costume so just to preface this we have
00:25:49.980 cultural appropriation we have racial appropriation we have the ban on blackface which i think is a very
00:25:57.340 good ban no one should be doing blackface we have all of these forms of appropriation where we're not 0.99
00:26:01.740 supposed to partake in someone else's experience well the witches say they've had enough of their
00:26:07.020 their culture being appropriated on halloween so it's time to ask you sue ann have you ever
00:26:13.420 dressed up as a witch for halloween and do you wish to make amends for it
00:26:17.180 not only have i dressed up but i'll get you my little pretty and your little dog too
00:26:23.260 that's it that's appropriation you're gonna get cancelled to it like you're gonna get your
00:26:28.460 check mark taken away you are gonna be absolutely can't you have just appropriated witchhood 0.93
00:26:33.820 i know i'm gonna be burned at the stake that's all there is to it no you burn at the stake jokes 0.96
00:26:39.340 that's appropriation too you can't do any of it now i'm like at the end of it i don't even know what
00:26:43.420 you have left in society when even like because i get like that was the old line you hear a lot of
00:26:47.340 the time from indigenous people my culture is not a costume and it's like okay i like i didn't know
00:26:51.420 that people were offended by like the pointy hat and like the big you know warty nose and all of
00:26:55.980 that but apparently uh according to suzanne mcrae who is a winnibeg winnipeg based i'm using the
00:27:03.260 description here a winnipeg based writer and activist who practices witchcraft which in fairness
00:27:09.420 i think is the only way you can survive a life in winnipeg but she says every halloween we have the
00:27:15.820 witch talk which is not a costume i call myself a witch to challenge the stereotype of an ugly old
00:27:22.140 woman with warts on her nose making deals with the devil i didn't know witches made deals with 1.00
00:27:27.180 the devil but i mean it turns out i don't know enough about witchcraft well i guess she hasn't
00:27:32.140 seen the play wicked with the green witch that's true that is true that is true so i think she needs 1.00
00:27:39.420 to get out of winnipeg and go see wicked on broadway it's actually going to be playing in toronto let's
00:27:44.700 invite her to toronto to see wicked i was going to say we we might have to fundraise to fly her out
00:27:49.180 but uh you know where this joke is going she can just take her broom exactly i can lend her one i have 0.94
00:27:56.620 one well no you got to get the broom to win well maybe you can just like fly the broom to winnipeg to
00:28:04.700 yeah and then she well no if you fly you're appropriating her uh her culture again so she says
00:28:11.340 she performs weddings and hand fastings the old celtic way i don't know what a hand fasting is it
00:28:17.180 sounds a little bit uh uh raunchy if i if i uh i don't want to google it just in case but uh she says
00:28:22.540 she uses the word witch as an act of reclaiming and says it's important to remember the near genocide 0.77
00:28:28.540 of witches in the 16th and 17th centuries now this is like the only thing justin trudeau has not
00:28:34.060 apologized for is the near genocide of witches five four hundred years ago well i think he's going to
00:28:40.300 have to apologize for that broadway show then wicked because you know green witches 1.00
00:28:47.660 so let me let me just to put a pin on this when pierre polyev says he wants to defund cbc
00:28:55.420 and the media freaks out he should just pull this story up on his phone and hold it to the camera
00:29:01.180 and say nothing else like this is like case in point in 600 800 words the case for defunding cbc
00:29:07.260 there are so many cases but this is a good one i have to say well maybe we could put a spell
00:29:14.220 maybe we could you know boil boil cauldron trouble you know the whole thing throw in
00:29:19.260 a few toads and all that and uh poof cbc is gone
00:29:24.460 there you go so we got like we got we got everything this show we got to uh we got sue
00:29:33.900 sue ann's impersonations and we even got a spell just for good measure at the end there so uh sue
00:29:39.100 ann get the uh start tweezing those bristles on your broom so we can get our guest of honor to 1.00
00:29:45.100 the premier of wicked do you want a long really long one or well i don't know if she's bringing
00:29:51.900 a guest if she's bringing a guest you need a long one it's a business class broom uh but and remember
00:29:57.740 we got to do the carbon offsets on the broom just to keep uh catherine mckenna and mark carney happy
00:30:02.620 i'm gonna have an air canada broom because you don't get served anything on air canada anymore
00:30:07.580 there you go and on that happy note uh it has been an absolute pleasure sue ann levy joining me you can
00:30:14.940 catch her fantastic work at tnc.news and you can follow her on twitter while she still has the the
00:30:20.220 blue check mark and also i am on the andrew lawton show throughout the week so do come and have fun
00:30:25.900 there especially as we continue covering the public order emergency commission sue ann have a great weekend
00:30:31.180 thanks so much for doing thank you i gotta fly away now goodbye
00:30:36.700 you