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The Liberals are obsessed with abortion


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On this episode of The Andrew Lawton Show, Andrew talks about the Canadian government's new passport page designs, the March for Life in Ottawa, and the polar bear in the arctic. Also, Andrew explains why he thinks it might have been a penguin and not a polar bear.

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00:00:00.000 Welcome to Canada's most irreverent talk show.
00:00:05.180 This is the Andrew Lawton Show, brought to you by TrueNorth.
00:00:15.340 Hello everyone and welcome to you all, TGIF.
00:00:19.520 It is Friday, May 12, 2023.
00:00:22.020 You are listening to the Andrew Lawton Show or you're watching the Andrew Lawton Show
00:00:26.520 or you are just ingesting the osmosis.
00:00:30.000 Andrew Lawton Show. I don't recommend it, but we are an equal opportunity broadcast platform. You
00:00:35.660 have to get all the angles covered with C11. This is going to be a lead into the weekend,
00:00:41.600 so we will try not to depress you too, too much. But sometimes talking about Canadian politics can
00:00:47.860 have that effect. I don't proclaim to be right on everything. I proclaim to be right on most things.
00:00:55.440 If I didn't believe it or at least think I was right, I wouldn't say it. But I have to do a bit
00:00:59.760 of a mea culpa on a discussion I had on Wednesday's show about the passport page designs that were
00:01:07.220 unveiled, I think, on Wednesday by the Canadian government. Now, I should say, first off,
00:01:13.520 the fact that the images are crap, I don't apologize for. That I stand by. But as I was 0.96
00:01:19.680 flipping through them on air and watching, I can't actually show you. I was telling you all
00:01:25.660 on Wednesday that I got a new little monitor. So in front of me, I can see things that's happening.
00:01:31.080 The monitor is like this big. So, and it's, you know, about two and a half feet away. So
00:01:35.740 the reason I share that with you is that I was trying to just riff on what was in these images
00:01:40.920 with not a very significant view of what was actually on them. So I had one person,
00:01:48.800 uh susan hamilton 1822 on twitter tell me i may need glasses uh see i can't even read what susan
00:01:56.720 hamilton's writing there she says it's a polar bear and an inuit fishing through the ice andrew
00:02:01.360 you may need glasses so uh the context of this is that i was trying to discern what the images were
00:02:07.240 on the passport and we were on specifically page 36 and page 37 which if we can pull that up is on
00:02:15.540 the right side pretty self-explanatory it's the polar bear in the arctic and on the left side
00:02:21.040 i don't know why but i saw a penguin and i realized that penguins don't live in the arctic
00:02:26.140 they live in antarctica which is as the name suggests the opposite of the arctic uh and i
00:02:31.400 sort of just saw like the top of the head was a little pointy kind of like a beak and then the
00:02:36.660 the thing that sort of looked like a ladybug shell coming out the back i thought was
00:02:40.760 maybe just the the feathers the rear feathers um and then the boots i don't have an answer for uh
00:02:47.060 except to say that maybe penguins feet get cold as well um and the fish you know underneath it so
00:02:52.120 anyway uh so it seems abundantly obvious after the fact that that was an inuit person ice fishing
00:02:58.180 but at the time when i was just sort of like making it up as i went it was a uh a penguin
00:03:03.900 in a very anachronistic setting that uh was for some reason not being consumed by the polar bear
00:03:09.640 Now, even so, I still, put that back up there, Sean, I'm still kind of skeptical about why the Inuit person is ignoring the polar bear behind them. 0.88
00:03:19.740 Like, that strikes me as a tactical error if you are going to be in the Arctic looking for food, to be like, oh, let's just find this little salmon here.
00:03:27.760 I'm going after the Arctic char while the giant polar bear is behind me.
00:03:31.220 But, you know, maybe they're one with nature and I'm not.
00:03:33.420 I mean, what do I know?
00:03:34.460 I thought that was a penguin and not a kind Inuit person. 0.99
00:03:38.420 In any case, I want to talk a little bit here about some far more substantive matters.
00:03:44.100 Yesterday in Ottawa was the March for Life.
00:03:46.860 By all accounts, about 6,000, 7,000 people from across the country, pro-life advocates,
00:03:51.800 descending on Parliament Hill to say that we stand for life.
00:03:55.840 Now, historically, the March for Life has been about supporting life in the wake of abortion policies in Canada.
00:04:04.160 But it's also about euthanasia and assisted suicide, which, as we've seen in the last couple of years in particular, are areas where the government has promoted and promulgated a culture of death.
00:04:16.080 And I think in this way, the pro-life movement has a lot more momentum now than it has in some of these other iterations of it.
00:04:23.500 But the liberals get very antsy whenever anyone's discussing abortion, when anyone's discussing life issues.
00:04:29.520 You know, there was no real political context for the Liberals to be talking about abortion this week.
00:04:36.860 The March for Life was out there as it always has been.
00:04:39.500 But instead, the Liberals were firing on all cylinders, tweeting, putting out statements, commenting on things, and then releasing this little video.
00:04:48.920 I'm pro-choice because it saves lives.
00:04:51.240 I'm pro-choice because I don't believe a man or anyone has the right to tell a woman what she should do with her body.
00:05:00.240 I'm pro-choice because abortion bans endangers women's lives.
00:05:06.000 I'm pro-choice because reproductive health is health.
00:05:09.280 Because our daughters deserve choices. 1.00
00:05:11.940 Because reproductive rights are human rights. 0.99
00:05:14.440 And a woman has the right to determine what she does with her own body, 1.00
00:05:18.000 including her sexual and reproductive health.
00:05:20.720 I'm pro-choice because women should have the right to choose a safe and legal abortion with privacy and dignity.
00:05:26.720 Because a woman's right to choose what she does with her body is her choice and her choice alone. 1.00
00:05:31.960 Because a woman's autonomy over her own body is not only a human right, it's her rights. 1.00
00:05:37.840 I'm pro-choice because a woman's right to choose is her choice and her choice alone. 1.00
00:05:42.640 I'm pro-choice because it's a human right.
00:05:44.780 I'm pro-choice because I believe that women's rights are human rights.
00:05:48.200 Because women should have the right to choose what happens to their own play-productive health. 1.00
00:05:53.040 I'm pro-choice because I believe everyone has a right to safe and affordable health care.
00:05:58.180 Because what happens to a woman's body should be her choice and her choice alone. 1.00
00:06:01.880 Because choice is choice.
00:06:04.860 It's about respect.
00:06:06.000 Because women should make their own health care decisions and have control over their bodies. 1.00
00:06:10.380 It's 2023.
00:06:11.620 Je suis pro-choix parce que les décisions des femmes appartiennent aux femmes.
00:06:15.680 Because access to safe and legal abortion is a fundamental right.
00:06:19.320 I'm pro-choice because I believe that this issue should not be in the political arena.
00:06:24.020 I'm pro-choice because we won't go back.
00:06:26.320 We will not go back.
00:06:28.340 So, I mean, look, most of it is just repetitive.
00:06:31.340 I like the I'm pro-choice because choice is choice, choice, choicey, choicey, choice face.
00:06:36.720 And then you've got other people on there that are saying various iterations of the same thing,
00:06:41.000 women's health and human rights. 0.75
00:06:42.440 And I like the MP standing in Parliament Hill saying this shouldn't be a political issue. 0.97
00:06:47.420 It's like, OK, great, then shut up.
00:06:49.320 But here's the fascinating thing about this.
00:06:52.200 All of the people talking about the rights for those of us who get pregnant.
00:06:57.940 I mean, the fact that they were even saying she and her, I think, is a bit transphobic, don't you think?
00:07:02.700 But let's just set that aside for a moment.
00:07:05.520 They're all talking about the right to do what one wants with one's own body.
00:07:11.200 These were the same people that imposed one of the most draconian vaccine mandates on Canadian individuals.
00:07:19.620 The vaccine mandate to keep your job in the public service, the vaccine mandate to get on an airplane, to get on a train, to get out of a two-week quarantine, to get out of a quarantine hotel.
00:07:32.740 So all of these people saying, I will never, ever fold when it comes to people having the right to make their own choices about their own bodies. 0.98
00:07:41.220 I'm like, have you forgotten like the last two years, you pathetic hypocrites? 0.99
00:07:45.400 Apparently they have, or they just don't care. 0.98
00:07:48.040 But let's talk about the existence of the video itself.
00:07:51.300 Now, I'm pro-life, I make no bones about it, but let's be honest here.
00:07:55.680 In Canada, the pro-choice movement has won.
00:07:58.640 We have the most liberal abortion laws in the world, in that abortion is legal right up until one second before a child is born.
00:08:08.140 You cannot get more pro-abortion than Canada's abortion laws.
00:08:13.000 That is a complete fact.
00:08:14.920 And the fact that even conservative leaders who are pro-life and have been for their entire lives pro-life are unable to say,
00:08:21.920 hey, I'm pro-life, without being pilloried by the media, suggests that we have in the cultural realm
00:08:29.700 also done a tremendous disservice. And the pro-choice movement has won there largely.
00:08:35.480 It's a little bit trickier, as I'll talk about in a moment. But Canada is as pro-abortion a country 1.00
00:08:40.380 as it gets right now, politically and to some extent culturally. And that is important because
00:08:46.920 why do you need to talk about an issue that you've already won why did the i mean i mean imagine if
00:08:54.000 uh right now the brits and canadians and americans were talking about the importance of vanquishing
00:08:59.940 nazi germany it's like you you won that battle why are you still fighting it the reason they're
00:09:05.520 fighting it is because they know that it is a wedge for conservatives they know that conservatives
00:09:10.800 even those who are pro-life kind of fail and flail and flounder when they're forced to talk
00:09:16.440 about this. And people like Andrew Scheer, who for years of his life could always communicate
00:09:20.060 coherently his position on abortion as a pro-life man, when he's the leader of the conservatives,
00:09:24.860 he's like, well, I, you know, the pro, you know, women, you know, I, and he starts to sound like
00:09:31.220 Justin Trudeau describing a bottle of water. And I think that the interesting thing about all of
00:09:37.040 this is that the liberals will not shut up about abortion, but then they turn it around and say,
00:09:43.720 the Conservatives are obsessed with abortion. I'm like, really? The Conservatives are too
00:09:47.600 terrified to bring it up. The Liberals are the ones who bring up abortion all the time. 0.96
00:09:52.060 And you look into this week, and the Liberals are doing something that I hope they get called
00:09:57.160 on by the media, and to some extent they are. One of the dimensions of this is that Kathy
00:10:02.560 Wagenthal, who is from Saskatchewan and is a proudly pro-life Conservative MP, has introduced
00:10:09.100 a private member's bill that no sensible person should have issues with.
00:10:14.860 Now, I realize we're not talking about sensible people.
00:10:17.000 We're talking about members of parliament, but no sensible person should be against what
00:10:22.420 she wants to do here.
00:10:23.600 Her bill, C311, and we should get Kathy on the show to talk about this, would encourage
00:10:29.000 judges to consider physical or emotional harm to a pregnant woman who's a victim of a crime
00:10:35.840 as an aggravating factor during sentencing.
00:10:39.100 It has nothing to do even with recognizing the human rights of an unborn child.
00:10:45.060 It says that if a woman is pregnant and someone intentionally inflicts emotional or physical
00:10:50.200 harm, that should be considered during sentencing.
00:10:53.540 Someone who's abusing a pregnant woman should be perhaps treated more harshly by the justice
00:11:01.080 system.
00:11:01.560 This is not at all controversial.
00:11:03.440 Cool. Pierre Paulyev, I asked him on Wednesday what he was going to do about this. I asked his
00:11:09.880 office. I didn't just text up Pierre and say, yo, Pierre, what do you think of C311? I went through
00:11:14.480 the proper channels and no one responded. His office did not respond. I followed up about an
00:11:18.940 hour before I went on air and no one responded. Now, apparently he's told the Canadian press
00:11:23.200 that he is going to vote in favor of this bill. So Pierre Paulyev supports that. And now the
00:11:29.060 pro-choice liberal MPs, which is basically all of them because the couple of lingering pro-life
00:11:34.380 MPs have just learned to shut their mouths about it in the liberal caucus. But Pierre Polyev
00:11:39.800 is now being criticized for supporting this bill because the liberals and Karina Gould are saying
00:11:45.220 this is just like a backdoor way into legislating abortion. So even when a pro-life person comes out
00:11:50.620 and offers the most benign, neutral, safe bill
00:11:55.860 that protects mothers. 1.00
00:11:58.340 That's what this bill is.
00:11:59.460 It's about protecting mothers, basically.
00:12:01.720 The liberals are so convinced
00:12:04.300 that they have a cultural and political monopoly
00:12:07.040 on the abortion issue that they can say,
00:12:09.180 nope, we want nothing to do with it.
00:12:11.680 And this really reinforces my longstanding position on this,
00:12:16.340 that the issue is not that the liberals
00:12:18.060 dislike the pro-life position.
00:12:20.620 liberals dislike pro-life people. They dislike the people who are pro-life, the people who dare.
00:12:27.020 So Kathy Wagenthal, they've already cited she is a bad person because she believes that the lives
00:12:33.820 of unborn children are worth protecting. So even if she's proposing a bill that has nothing to do
00:12:38.840 with that, they're going to be against it. And the media generally is giving them a pass on this.
00:12:45.260 The liberals are not accused of partaking in wedge politics on the abortion issue. Chris Selle,
00:12:50.380 I don't know what his position on abortion is, but he in the National Post had put a column forward basically calling out this BS, which is, pardon my, like I said, I don't really need to apologize for not using the bad words, but he basically called this out for what it is.
00:13:05.860 But I'm not seeing all of the liberal commentariat, the people in the Toronto Star on the CBC Power and Politics panel coming out and doing the same.
00:13:15.620 So just remember, whenever the liberals say, oh my goodness, these pro-life conservatives,
00:13:20.520 they never shut up, they are the ones who are never shutting up about abortion.
00:13:24.600 Now, the caveat here when you talk about the culture is that I think, generally speaking,
00:13:29.760 the Canadian culture is not as pro-choice as you're led to believe.
00:13:34.400 There are a lot of people of faith in this country, be they Christians, Jews, Muslims,
00:13:39.120 Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, pretty much every mainstream and even most alternative religions
00:13:44.560 in this country and in the world support the pro-life position, at least to some extent.
00:13:51.320 I mean, maybe they wouldn't go so far as to say abortion should always be banned, but you'd find
00:13:55.500 if you polled the entirety of the country, as has been done many times, that when people know
00:14:01.380 what the current laws are in Canada, that abortion is legal right up until the second a child is
00:14:07.340 delivered, they do not support that. So even people who would consider themselves pro-choice
00:14:12.780 support what are called gestational restrictions, these gradations in policy. But you can't have a
00:14:19.400 nuanced discussion when the Liberals control discourse in the way that they do. And the
00:14:25.420 Liberals just have this absolute stranglehold on debate and discussion. And just because it's
00:14:31.060 related to this topic, we're going to change the schedule a little bit and do our Fake News
00:14:35.420 Friday a little earlier. Roll that clip.
00:14:42.780 Yeah, this is, it's not news per se, but a Liberal MP, Adam Van, he's, I forget, I don't even know how to pronounce his last name.
00:14:54.240 All the Dutch people are going to be mad if I butcher it. 1.00
00:14:56.640 It's like Adam Van Kober for Ververden or something.
00:14:59.460 But he tweets out, like all the Liberals are, Canada needs to do more to protect reproductive rights,
00:15:05.020 not less conservative MPs regularly introduce legislation that would limit access to abortion,
00:15:11.140 and undermining women's right to choose. 1.00
00:15:13.580 Spoiler alert, Pierre Polyev says he supports this bill.
00:15:16.880 Well, this is a rare example of the fact checkers getting it right.
00:15:20.500 And Twitter has gotten a little better on this.
00:15:22.800 The reader added context below Adam's tweet says,
00:15:26.300 This bill was about amending the criminal code to protect pregnant women from violence
00:15:30.720 and ensure that pregnancy is a mitigating factor considered at sentencing.
00:15:34.620 It has nothing to do with abortion.
00:15:37.360 So congratulations, MP Adam.
00:15:39.140 You win the Fake News Friday Award.
00:15:41.140 for may 12th 2023 uh so the problem when you start off with like the big controversial issue
00:15:47.220 is that it's very weird to like segue into a wonkier subject so uh usually in broadcasting
00:15:52.740 you try to like find a creative way to be like speaking of x and then you get to z and hope that
00:15:58.080 y is kind of a little bit easier to sell i haven't figured out a way to connect abortion to hydro
00:16:04.540 rates yet i was kind of working on it but i might need to do the hard segue and just go right to
00:16:09.880 our next topic here because just as the liberals don't want you to have a right to make your own
00:16:15.280 decisions about your body in some context they also don't want oh here we go I've got the segue
00:16:19.920 they don't want you to be able to decide how you navigate climate and environmental policy they
00:16:25.560 have a one-size-fits-all solution and this is driving up the cost of pretty well everything
00:16:32.300 the coalition of concerned manufacturers and businesses of Canada is warning that we could
00:16:38.960 be looking at a 30 to 50% increase in hydro bills, all because of the government's goal
00:16:45.640 and the Canada Electricity Advisory Council's goal of getting to so-called net zero by 2035.
00:16:52.500 Catherine Swift from the CCMBC joins me now. Catherine, always good to talk to you. Thanks
00:16:58.440 for coming on today. My pleasure, Andrew. Nice to see you. Virtually, of course.
00:17:03.980 so let's start first off by talking about exactly what it is that we're looking at here because we
00:17:12.340 we know that whenever we hear net zero uh from the government it sounds lofty and ambitious but
00:17:17.060 it always comes with a price tag here so where are you seeing as being the bigger driver in
00:17:21.580 electricity prices going up well there's a few drivers and they're all significant um obviously
00:17:28.940 things like the carbon tax are going to increase uh triple roughly you know triple from what they
00:17:34.600 originally said they were going to be and they said they'd never go higher than 50 a ton they're
00:17:38.220 going to go to 170 um we're going to see another tax this year uh we haven't seen the nuts and
00:17:43.460 bolts of it yet but it's supposedly called the the clean energy standard we'll see what that looks
00:17:49.160 like whenever it hits uh but this this net zero um a lot of the uh a lot of the uh cost to so-called
00:17:57.800 achieve it, it will not be achieved. I will put money on the table right now that we will never
00:18:02.140 see net zero in our electricity system by 2035. By the way, we're already 83% there. We got a clean
00:18:09.740 electricity system relative to the rest of the world. We should be looking at other issues,
00:18:13.700 not this. But this is going to be hugely expensive. It's going to translate into much
00:18:16.880 higher electricity bills, which, of course, everybody uses. You know, you can't avoid
00:18:20.500 using electricity. And it's also going to hit the taxpayer because billions and billions of dollars,
00:18:26.860 tens of billions will be spent to subsidize uh hydro utilities a lot of these consultants that
00:18:34.460 that live off the public dime because they're advising government and some of them are on this
00:18:39.420 new council that just got it announced last week by the way um and there's there's just all manner
00:18:45.180 in which canadians will pay big let's not forget remember the um uh green energy plan in ontario
00:18:51.580 back in 2009 it was introduced it was supposed to according to the liberal government of the day
00:18:56.780 amount to about the price of a cup of coffee a day yeah it doubled hydro rates in Ontario to the
00:19:03.880 point that it has made so much business uncompetitive a lot of them just left the province
00:19:08.780 certainly the manufacturing sector is a notable example and of course created the whole concept
00:19:13.740 of energy poverty which is basically when you're paying more than a certain amount of your household
00:19:17.800 income just for energy just keep the lights on keep the place warm whatever then that is defined
00:19:23.080 as energy poverty so i when i say 30 to 50 that's a guesstimate i suspect it'll be higher but but
00:19:30.760 we want to be reasonable here and say 30 to 50 is a potential increase yeah well i mean when you
00:19:37.080 talk about the existing cleanness for lack of better term of the energy the electricity system
00:19:41.800 i actually think this is an important point because a lot of the pretty radical policies
00:19:46.360 we've withstood to date we were told would be the solutions to the problem not just a stepping stone
00:19:52.360 to bigger so-called solutions.
00:19:54.020 Like you look at the phase out of coal,
00:19:56.280 the investment in windmills.
00:19:58.320 I mean, in Ontario,
00:19:59.160 you drive through southwestern Ontario
00:20:00.680 and there are windmills as far as the eye can see
00:20:03.040 and they don't appear to have done anything
00:20:04.840 to reduce the overall reliance
00:20:07.240 on some of these things that we're now told are terrible.
00:20:10.260 Hydroelectric, it's hard to get cleaner than that.
00:20:12.040 Nuclear is one that does actually fit
00:20:14.680 what the environmentalists want,
00:20:15.900 but they don't nearly seem as interested in nuclear
00:20:18.040 as they should be.
00:20:19.420 But all of this stuff has basically gotten us
00:20:21.940 uh in in the words that they're using now kind of nowhere and and they're saying oh yeah we still
00:20:26.880 have so far to go well i think the environmental community doesn't like um nukes because they can't
00:20:34.960 make money off them like they can look at how i'm not i'm not kidding i know no i i don't you aren't
00:20:40.460 but i'm serious look at how many windmill farms and uh you know uh solar uh solar panel and mind
00:20:48.940 you a lot of them have gotten bankrupt because of course it's a failure of a solution but look at
00:20:53.340 how many of those are owned by uh you know environmental zealots uh they they love to
00:21:00.100 advise there's so many consultants this is something a lot of Canadians don't know about
00:21:04.360 I I see new green organizations popping up every day we the taxpayer are paying for all these guys
00:21:12.080 and girls uh to have a nice fat salary running these environmental this and environmental that 1.00
00:21:18.440 group. And they're all taxpayer funded. And I would love to see some kind of cost benefit analysis
00:21:24.840 because I don't think they're doing a darn thing. And once again, this new council has several of
00:21:29.080 those types on their advisory body, sucking up more taxpayer dollars, you can bet they're all
00:21:33.980 being paid for their time, etc. So, you know, this is hitting the average Canadian every which way,
00:21:41.260 we all want to do the right thing for the climate. But what really makes me crazy is it never gets
00:21:46.080 measured and have we met a goal yet when we look at the emissions targets the Trudeau liberals have
00:21:51.200 set out we have not met one yet not one uh and there has been the best we could do was during
00:21:58.580 the pandemic when the economy was virtually completely shut down is that what we'd like to
00:22:02.640 do is that might accomplish the goal mind you we'll all be you know we'll all be scrounging for
00:22:07.460 scraps in the in the garbage cans or whatever but uh but that's the kind of thing uh that that
00:22:12.800 really you know will only reduce our emissions better to have sensible measurable policies see
00:22:19.080 what actually works and a lot of countries are doing this kind of thing uh rather than these
00:22:23.380 virtue signaling type of policies that don't accomplish much but they beggar the average
00:22:28.280 person in the process well you know your group represents manufacturers and a manufacturer
00:22:34.680 manufactures something that shouldn't be a radical concept you know they they build something they
00:22:39.300 put in the raw materials. They take out this other piece. Sometimes that piece is sold. Other times
00:22:43.780 it becomes a part of something larger. The thing with a lot of these green energy companies is
00:22:48.340 they're producing absolutely nothing. They're producing ideas, getting billions of dollars
00:22:53.120 in subsidies. And at the end of the process, as you've indicated, Catherine, the only people who
00:22:57.360 have benefited from it are the people who run the company. It hasn't actually made electricity
00:23:03.220 cheaper or more available. It hasn't actually reduced the overall share of whatever the problem
00:23:08.400 is and and that's the thing i mean if we're going to be subsidizing anything which i don't think we
00:23:12.000 should let's subsidize companies that are actually producing things apart from uh just virtue
00:23:17.080 signaling promises yeah what they're really doing is actually acting as proxies for the government
00:23:23.180 the guy it permits the government to sort of have this network of voices out there supporting the
00:23:28.500 kind of policies they do so people you know your average person who doesn't follow this like geeks 1.00
00:23:33.340 like us do uh can can uh say oh there's a there's a real you know there's a real lot of support for
00:23:39.280 these kind of policies here so i guess they're a good idea so let's talk a little bit about the
00:23:46.240 kind of the the council itself because this is a body that i don't think most people have heard of
00:23:51.280 here and i've already forgotten the name of it but you know the canadian electricity council you
00:23:54.860 you've raised some concerns about who's on it yeah well everybody that's on it is either a utility
00:24:01.440 I mean, that makes sense, though.
00:24:02.700 You do want the people that are producing the power, you know, to have some input into the process.
00:24:07.480 A lot of the regulators, because, of course, there's big regulation in this industry.
00:24:12.520 But then we see a number of Indigenous, which, of course, is a political.
00:24:16.300 You'd have to do that with any political body these days.
00:24:19.040 Well, just to interject on that, Catherine, the problem is that when the government brings Indigenous voices into these projects, which I think it absolutely should,
00:24:26.800 it never picks the ones that are leading the charge for resource development and the Indigenous
00:24:32.520 people that are saying, absolutely, we need more of this. They're always the naysayers, I find.
00:24:37.400 That's correct. And of course, we know of many, many, many, many Indigenous leaders. In fact,
00:24:43.600 the vast majority are in favor of these projects because they see economic value for their
00:24:49.660 communities. And if you want to do something like fix water problems on a reserve, for example,
00:24:54.560 best thing to do is give these people good jobs give these communities resources from our very
00:25:00.460 many rich resource industries and and the majority want to be you're right the the the ones that fight
00:25:05.480 it usually being funded by american uh environmental groups by the way um are the ones that they put
00:25:11.940 on these particular councils but anyway the other representation is a number of the enviro
00:25:16.460 envirozealots you know the people that are out there making their living and making a very good
00:25:20.360 living by the way on our tax dollars subsidizing them to be voices out there pushing these extreme
00:25:25.860 radical solutions what kills me because one of the big impacts here should it come to pass which
00:25:32.160 again there's a lot of you know if we get a change of government a lot of this is thankfully going to
00:25:36.300 be reformed quite substantially I would hope I hope some sanity will prevail but we don't have
00:25:42.500 any consumers on there the people that are going to be paying for this are consumers taxpayers and
00:25:46.640 businesses, naturally, businesses as taxpayers, and also having to hobble their businesses,
00:25:52.540 because we've seen some of these emissions caps that are being discussed, such as the agricultural
00:25:58.060 industry is a great example. Are we really going to cut our food production? Is this the same thing
00:26:02.600 to do? No, it's not. So anyway, we don't have any of these groups represented, absolutely none.
00:26:08.340 So that to me is a glaring omission that should be corrected, but it won't be because again,
00:26:13.260 the government doesn't want to hear from these people that would present some facts that make
00:26:18.500 this look as outrageous as it actually is. Catherine Swift from the Coalition of Concerned
00:26:24.540 Manufacturers and Businesses of Canada. Always a pleasure, Catherine. Thanks for coming on today.
00:26:28.640 Thank you, Andrew. Well, just to build off of one of the things Catherine mentioned at the end
00:26:32.780 there, one of the challenges that always comes up with this is that the consumer can do pretty much
00:26:38.060 nothing about it. And, you know, I look at energy prices in Ontario, for example, which were for
00:26:43.360 the, for a time, one of the largest, one of the most expensive jurisdictions in the world for
00:26:48.240 energy, certainly the domestic or the developed world. And the thing about it was that you could,
00:26:53.240 as an Ontario resident, be like, okay, I'm going to turn, I mean, I've got like five studio lights
00:26:57.280 around me. So I'm like, my carbon footprint is, you know, that of a small African village. But
00:27:01.640 the thing about the carbon footprint is that you could say, okay, I'm going to turn off the lights.
00:27:06.920 I'm going to do my laundry and off peak hours on weekends.
00:27:10.120 I'm going to wash my dishes by hand and not like you could do all of this and you'd save
00:27:14.440 like $3 on your hydro bill.
00:27:16.940 Because when you look at it, you'd be like, okay, you know, usage, you know, whatever
00:27:20.740 kilowatts per hour delivery charge, a hundred dollars.
00:27:23.600 They're like, well, what did they deliver?
00:27:24.560 I didn't use anything, but it was these fixed costs or the carbon tax, these fixed costs
00:27:29.880 that were on it, that meant it was pretty much inescapable for the average consumer.
00:27:33.980 And I think that's true of a lot of these increases we're seeing now.
00:27:36.920 It's not going to come down.
00:27:37.940 You can't do anything to get away from them or to avoid it. 0.98
00:27:41.340 You're just kind of screwed. 0.95
00:27:43.700 I want to shift gears here yet again. 0.97
00:27:45.580 The problem with Friday is that like all the stuff we don't get to earlier in the week,
00:27:48.540 we all have to like put into one seamless narrative.
00:27:50.940 So we're abandoning the narrative and abandoning the seamlessness.
00:27:54.020 And hopefully it's just interesting enough to keep your attention.
00:27:58.380 But last but certainly not least, Colin Craig is with secondstreet.org,
00:28:02.340 which has commissioned a rather interesting study, a poll through Leger, that looks at,
00:28:09.720 I think, something that if we go back to the earlier discussion we had about abortion in
00:28:15.100 Canada, there's a gap between what ordinary people think and what the media would tell them to think,
00:28:22.220 what the media would sort of claim is the consensus on a particular issue. And one in
00:28:29.280 particular jumps out. And that is about if schools should inform parents when a child shows up and
00:28:35.640 says, you know, I'm actually a woman or I'm non-binary or I'm pan-gender or the one that I
00:28:41.280 learned many years ago, masculine of center, gender, queer. So a student goes to a teacher 0.96
00:28:45.500 and says, I'm this and this, and these are my pronouns. Should parents be notified? 57% in this
00:28:51.020 poll said yes, but that would be a position that, you know, when it's been mentioned by politicians
00:28:55.960 jurisdictions uh in other jurisdictions is like this hateful bigoted transphobic position where
00:29:00.560 it's no i think parents in general should know what's happening between their child and their
00:29:05.300 child's educators uh colin craig is with me now after that lengthy wind up there colin good to
00:29:10.620 talk to you thanks for coming on today having me andrew so so let's start with the why you've done
00:29:16.520 this question i mean second street i know we've had you on has done a lot on energy policy on
00:29:20.680 health care. This was when I saw this, I'm like, oh, really? They went there. Yeah, well, we put
00:29:26.120 our fingers in all the pies. You know, we spend, you're right, we spend a lot of time on health
00:29:30.540 care and natural resource issues. But we do some work on education, taxation, lots of different
00:29:38.540 other policies. And we actually did a poll about two and a half years ago. And one of the questions
00:29:45.220 we asked was, do Canadians think that the public school system has gone in the right direction or
00:29:51.620 wrong direction over the last 20 years? And at the time, about 32% said wrong direction. And we
00:29:58.880 thought, well, that's actually pretty high. That's a pretty significant number of Canadians who don't
00:30:02.480 think the system's going in the right direction. But this time it was 51%. So it's a very, very big
00:30:08.080 jump. And the reason what got us going with this poll is we thought, well, let's ask that question
00:30:13.460 again. And then we sort of were looking at some of the other issues in education. And this was
00:30:18.240 one where, you know, like yourself, and I'm sure lots of your viewers, I had seen these different
00:30:24.520 stories coming up about parents being kept in the dark about, you know, what their children are
00:30:29.040 talking with their teachers about when it comes to pronouns and transitioning, having very serious
00:30:34.020 discussions. And I thought, you know, I wonder if there's any public opinion research on this for
00:30:38.120 Canada. And I hadn't seen any, there were some numbers from the States, we thought, well, let's
00:30:41.080 ask the question and see what Canadians think. Well, and the other one that was interesting,
00:30:46.860 not as decisive as reporting back on, you know, gender identification, is this one,
00:30:52.400 47% of parents agree or of respondents agree that schools should have to make materials for topics
00:30:58.860 on gender and race related topics ahead, available ahead of time for parents to view. Now, that one
00:31:04.760 I find interesting, because I think largely a lot of curricular materials are available ahead of
00:31:10.120 time, but I don't think most parents have the initiative to, to go in and seek those out. Some
00:31:14.960 do, but I was curious kind of what your insights were on that. I mean, is there this realm of
00:31:19.760 materials that parents cannot access and do not know are being taught unless their child tells
00:31:25.300 them? Uh, short answers. I'm not sure exactly. I know in the U S there've been some challenges
00:31:30.620 where, uh, parents have tried to get access to materials that are being taught in schools and
00:31:35.000 they've had trouble. I'm not sure exactly where that's at with where that's at in Canada, but
00:31:39.940 I think it's an easy solution that can sometimes help in cases where parents are concerned about
00:31:45.280 what's being taught. For very sensitive topics, we have technologies makes all this stuff so easy now
00:31:52.360 that schools could put this information out ahead of time. So a parent could go in and say, okay,
00:31:56.980 what's my child going to learn about, say, gender related issues or race related topics? And just
00:32:03.000 kind of understand, well, do I want my child learning that? Yes or no. And if they have a
00:32:07.240 deep concern they could say well you know I'd like my child to sit in the library during that
00:32:10.840 lesson or whatever the other option of course and this was uh you know someone else raised this with
00:32:15.480 me and I think it's a good idea it also allows parents to know okay my child's going to learn
00:32:19.000 this in school today I want to present a different perspective to them when they get home so that
00:32:23.940 they can learn a little bit more and you know see different viewpoints have maybe a bit more of a
00:32:28.200 balanced uh learning exercise when it comes to this topic so we thought you know this would be
00:32:33.280 interesting just to see what Canadians think. And like you say, certainly more Canadians think
00:32:38.040 that's a good idea than people that say not to. I want to drill down to that one question I led
00:32:43.160 in with about the 57% say yes, the public, the teacher should have to tell or the school should
00:32:48.600 have to tell parents if a child wants to change their gender, use different pronouns. The regional
00:32:53.560 breakdown I found quite surprising here, because I think if you were to say this, everyone would
00:32:58.260 be like, oh yeah, if I were to ask which province said this yes the most, people would say like,
00:33:02.360 oh yeah, clearly Alberta. And Alberta was actually below the mean there. BC, unsurprisingly,
00:33:11.580 was the lowest, even then at 49%. Alberta, 54% said yes. The real outliers here on the high end
00:33:18.480 were Atlantic Canada and Quebec. Now, Atlantic Canada is a smaller sample, 100 people. So there
00:33:24.640 could be in that a bit of a um you know perhaps a a sampling issue but but quebec 61 so regionally
00:33:32.480 i found that just quite interesting yeah those numbers certainly are interesting that uh you
00:33:38.560 know it is higher in those provinces like you say that samples are smaller so it could be just
00:33:43.120 you know partially due to having a smaller sample size but it's not just the more conservative the
00:33:47.760 province the larger the number ontario was higher than saskatchewan and alberta yeah and you know
00:33:53.280 we're not we're not an advocacy organization we're not taking position in terms of what governments
00:33:57.120 should and shouldn't do on this i mean my own personal opinion is that uh yeah i think parents
00:34:01.440 should have the right to know i mean this is a pretty serious thing for a child to be assuming
00:34:07.120 basically a different identity at school if they're changing their pronouns but also uh even
00:34:12.240 chatting with the school system about you know how do i go about changing my my gender and trying
00:34:17.280 to have surgery and all this stuff you know my colleague makes a good point he says schools can't
00:34:22.800 give students a Tylenol without checking with parents first we're gonna let them
00:34:27.960 engage in this pretty serious psychological intervention you know I
00:34:33.960 totally understand why parents would want to know and what I think is
00:34:37.800 interesting is the breakdown between parents that say yes and parents that
00:34:40.740 say no or rather Canadians and say yes versus no is 57 to 18 and then there's a
00:34:46.980 large number of Canadians who are undecided I think maybe because they
00:34:50.160 haven't been confronted with this issue maybe want to know a little bit more uh whatever the
00:34:55.180 case is but it's also interesting too that when you shift this discussion from uh Canadians at
00:35:02.460 large to Canadians with kids the number increases goes up to a well over 60 percent I think 60 and
00:35:09.000 not just kids but kids in the household so not just like you know boomers with adult kids but
00:35:13.220 yeah parents with kids at home yeah yeah thanks for clarifying that yeah it's it's uh people with
00:35:19.020 young kids they want to know and like i said i can't blame them uh and i i think uh it makes
00:35:25.380 sense because this would be a very difficult thing for a child to be going through if they're
00:35:29.060 suddenly confused about who they are and and that uh you'd want to as a parent you'd want to be
00:35:34.860 helping them right you'd want to be there to guide them and maybe regardless of what side of the
00:35:39.760 debate you're on with this i think any parent would want to be there to to support their child
00:35:45.180 if they're going through something that's very difficult.
00:35:47.700 Yeah, I mean, look, I'm in my 30s.
00:35:49.740 I'm one of the dirty millennials that I complain so often about.
00:35:53.460 And one of the challenges I find is that I think that I was kind of part of this transitional
00:35:58.160 period where parents were engaged in the education system and, you know, wanted to do the parent
00:36:04.260 teacher checkups and read the report cards and learn.
00:36:06.840 But for the most part, sort of just trusted that the system was working, just sort of
00:36:10.720 dropped you off at school in the morning.
00:36:12.240 And that's that.
00:36:13.340 And I think that parents would be doing a tremendous disservice of themselves and their kids to do that.
00:36:18.960 And all the parents I know, and granted, I mean, there's a bit of a selection bias in terms of who I talk to more often, but they just don't trust it.
00:36:27.100 And the number of people I've heard from that have just self-selected out of the public system who are not the traditional private school or homeschool demographic, but it's largely because of stuff like this.
00:36:37.800 yeah there's it feels like there's been a lot of controversial news stories in the past while
00:36:44.640 involving public schools i mean you're based in ontario the oakville teacher with the
00:36:50.080 extremely large fake prosthetic breasts i'm sure most of your your viewers have seen them if not
00:36:57.300 if you google it you'll see that these these fake breasts were about the size of a gatorade cooler 1.00
00:37:02.020 that you know an nfl team might throw on its coach after winning the super bowl like absurdly large
00:37:07.660 What football games are you watching?
00:37:10.420 Well, you know, right?
00:37:12.980 You know, all the champions, you see these giant coolers being thrown. 0.98
00:37:16.620 That's how large these fake breasts are. 1.00
00:37:18.440 And many people found them demeaning to women. 0.96
00:37:20.560 So you see that kind of thing.
00:37:21.660 And then you see a school system that was just frozen, unable to deal with this.
00:37:25.220 Something that I think many people would consider to be extremely inappropriate.
00:37:29.660 On the other side of Canada, in British Columbia, a small town, Castle Garby Sea,
00:37:34.100 an elementary school teacher had a drag queen read to children in the classroom through zoom
00:37:41.240 and so many parents were outraged about this and so regardless of where you stand on these issues
00:37:47.900 I mean these are pretty controversial things and I think more than anything what we're seeing is
00:37:53.780 a need for more choice and Alberta has a good solution with charter schools here
00:37:58.420 uh for those who aren't familiar they're they're basically uh schools run by non-profits that are
00:38:05.460 funded by the government and they tend to specialize in different things one might
00:38:09.160 specialize in science and math another one might specialize in a particular like cultural study or
00:38:14.700 language whatever parents have more choice that they can choose schools outside of the public
00:38:20.400 school system without facing a huge bill because like i say the government will fund these uh
00:38:26.900 these schools so it does give parents more choice and i think in the rest of the country we would be
00:38:31.780 wise to be looking at that because clearly there's a pretty high uh dissatisfaction rate with the
00:38:37.220 direction public school systems going in yeah very well said people can read the results for
00:38:42.260 themselves over at secondstreet.org and if you are a parent at the very least pay attention
00:38:46.820 to what's happening in your kids school so you don't get blindsided whenever these stories come
00:38:50.980 up or an oakville teacher is waving the stories in your face so to speak uh colin craig always
00:38:55.860 good to talk to you thanks for coming on today thanks a lot andrew all right that does it for
00:39:00.740 us for this weekend we'll be back tuesday with more of canada's most irreverent talk show after
00:39:05.460 leaving you with that wonderful visual uh from the dominion in oakville but thank you very much
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