Juno News - The pro-immigration consensus has collapsed across the West. It’s time for something different

00:00:00.000 Hi, I'm Candice Malcolm and this is The Candice Malcolm Show. We have a great episode for you

00:00:05.760 today, folks. I want to take a moment to talk a little bit about immigration and why we talk

00:00:10.180 about immigration so much here on The Candice Malcolm Show and on Juneau News for two major

00:00:15.140 reasons, right? Immigration, I think, is the most important issue in our country. Everything is

00:00:20.620 connected to it. So many of the problems that we've seen in the last decade, but really the

00:00:24.400 last three decades leading up to this, are an outgrowth of our policy of more or less open

00:00:30.300 door, open border immigration, where we're flooding the country with new people. Some of them are great

00:00:36.100 cultural fits and they go on to be strong Canadians, just as Canadian as you and I, and others don't.

00:00:41.500 Others just simply refuse to integrate, refuse to assimilate, don't buy into the Canadian story,

00:00:46.980 don't buy into our community, and they don't contribute. And so it's so important that as a

00:00:50.820 country, I mean, we always say, you know, demography is destiny, right? And so when you're letting in

00:00:56.040 lots and lots of people, millions, millions of people, sadly, at the same time, Canadian women 0.85

00:00:59.900 are having fewer children than ever. It's just a matter of time before Canada is not recognizable

00:01:05.540 and it looks totally different. It's not really Canada anymore. We're already starting to see a lot 0.81

00:01:09.940 of that. A lot of people just feel uncomfortable in their own city, in their own town. It doesn't look

00:01:13.880 like it did when we were growing up. It doesn't feel as safe. You know, some of the stories that we talk

00:01:17.660 about on this network, stories like home invasions and carjackings and extortion, right? These are

00:01:23.700 crimes that never used to happen in our country, and now they happen all the time. So much so that the

00:01:28.900 mayor of Surrey declared a state of an emergency because they couldn't handle the number of extortion

00:01:33.580 cases that were happening in their community. It's really unacceptable. So that's the first reason

00:01:38.860 immigration is just so important. And on top of that, we have this culture that is promoted by the elites

00:01:45.520 in this country that put a chill on free speech. And they say, you cannot talk about immigration.

00:01:49.660 You can't talk about these issues. If you criticize immigration, we will call you a racist. And we

00:01:55.020 went through that last week when I had a fellow from the Dominion Society basically just calling

00:01:59.620 for the opposite, right? All of our parties right now say open border immigration and let's flood the 0.99

00:02:04.340 country with new people. And this fellow is saying the opposite. Let's close the border and let's make

00:02:08.980 sure a lot of these people leave, right? And just for having that conversation on our network,

00:02:13.280 we were called racist by a whole host of people, including former immigration minister on the

00:02:17.940 conservative side, Jason Kenney. They do that because they don't want us to have these conversations.

00:02:22.500 They want to promote cancel culture. They want to try to sanitize the national conversations. They know

00:02:27.680 you can't have these conversations. Likewise, when Alberta premier Danielle Smith said that she was

00:02:33.220 going to put it to a referendum. Look, you know, the province isn't doing as well economically as they

00:02:37.320 wanted to. A lot of the problem comes from a flood of people coming into the province, taking advantage of

00:02:43.220 for generosity and abusing social services programs, an obvious problem, and everyone knows

00:02:47.880 about it. And Danielle Smith, she didn't even really get into the depth of it. She just sort of

00:02:52.340 scratched the surface. And for even mentioning it and talking about it and saying that we're going to put

00:02:58.120 it to a referendum in Alberta, almost immediately the NDP came out and called a racist, right? So they try to

00:03:04.300 police the conversation and say, you know, no, you can't talk about these things. We're going to call you

00:03:07.840 racist. We're pushing back against that. And I'm really proud that we're doing that. I think it's so

00:03:11.620 important. Canadians are having these conversations, whether we listen to them or ignore them. So we

00:03:15.600 might as well inform the public of what's actually happening. And it's not just happening in Canada.

00:03:21.080 This is a trend that's happening across the Western world, across the developed world. Obviously, we see

00:03:25.860 it with President Trump. He got elected in large part because of his pledge to carry out mass

00:03:31.000 deportations of the people who are in the country illegally, particularly violent and dangerous 1.00

00:03:35.800 criminals. He has a huge mandate to do that, and he's doing that, right? But it's not just the United States.

00:03:40.220 It's not just Trump. It's also happening in places like the UK, where you don't really expect there

00:03:45.100 to be any kind of a backlash or any kind of pushback to these policies. So I'm very pleased today to get

00:03:50.220 a better insight into what's happening with these policies by welcoming a guest. The guest today is

00:03:54.900 Eric Kaufman. He's a professor of politics at the University of Buckingham. He's authored several books

00:03:59.920 and papers on culture and immigration. He actually grew up in Vancouver, just like me, before moving to

00:04:06.160 the United Kingdom to pursue his career in academia. He's lived there for several decades.

00:04:10.320 So, Eric, welcome to the show. Really looking forward to this conversation.

00:04:13.920 Eric Kaufman- Candice, great to be here. Yeah, lots to talk about.

00:04:17.840 Okay. Well, first, I mean, so last week when we hosted the Dominion Society Fellow, a lot of people in

00:04:23.920 the replies were talking about this political movement from an ex-Reform MP and this new party,

00:04:31.200 this new movement called Restore Britain. So I thought you'd be a great person to come on and

00:04:35.840 just explain what the movement is, what happened and help our audience understand what this pushback

00:04:41.120 is looking like and taking form in the United Kingdom. Yeah. So the UK, you know, like Canada,

00:04:46.560 like Australia, like Ireland, like a number of places had a sort of surge of immigration after

00:04:51.920 the pandemic. And what we know is whenever you get these surges of immigration, populism sort of

00:04:58.720 tends to rise quite dramatically. So the largest, the leading party in the UK now in terms of the polls

00:05:05.360 is Reform, which is led by Nigel Farage and is around 30% of the polls. So it's interesting now,

00:05:13.600 if you look at the Anglo world, we've got One Nation in Australia now is getting close to 30%. You've 0.81

00:05:18.880 got reform on 30%. And of course, in Germany and Sweden and the Netherlands and all over continental

00:05:25.920 Europe, that's kind of where the populist right is across a wide swath of countries, a little higher

00:05:31.520 in Italy, a little lower in Spain, Portugal. But so this is a very Western kind of movement. Now,

00:05:38.240 what's happened in Britain is in the first past the post system, if you are at 25%, you are not going

00:05:44.800 to get a majority of the seats. But if you're in the low 30s, which is where the current Labour government

00:05:49.760 is, you might get a large majority of the seats. So it's very critical for parties that are in that

00:05:54.960 zone to increase their share and reform. Some have argued they have moved too close to

00:06:00.720 the Conservative Party. I'm not sure that's a fair charge, but there are a number of Conservatives

00:06:05.360 defected to reform. And one of the charges is that they aren't talking enough about immigration,

00:06:10.640 or at least when they're talking about it, they're not talking enough about deportation of illegal

00:06:16.320 immigrants. Restore Britain is kind of a new movement led by an individual called Rupert Lowe,

00:06:21.920 who was in reform, who was a reform MP, but who's kind of had a clash with Nigel Farage,

00:06:27.840 and has now set up a separate party called Restore Britain, which is just more hardline. And I suppose

00:06:33.200 would say, well, we have to do complete, we have to deport everybody who's here illegally, 1.00

00:06:37.920 but even go further. And those who are even those who are legal immigrants, if they commit crimes, 0.94

00:06:43.440 or if they're involved in grooming gangs, or if they commit serious crimes, they should be deported

00:06:48.240 as well. So that's kind of a more radical position. And there's been a certain amount of

00:06:53.040 squaring off between reform and restore. But it's worth saying Restore Britain is still,

00:06:57.760 it's not proven itself yet to have a significant polling number. They did put out a poll that said they

00:07:03.360 had 10%. But there are some questions around the methodology of the polling. So but it certainly

00:07:10.320 is a space that's kind of heated up recently. Well, and just the fact that they have this

00:07:15.680 leading MP that is willing to say, okay, we have to go further either than the reform, like folks,

00:07:21.520 you have to know that even the reform party itself is fairly new, right? The British Conservative Party

00:07:27.200 has been in office for many of the last 10 years. And you know, they're the mainstream right of center

00:07:33.200 party, right? And then and then it's reform and restore. So might might see a little bit of

00:07:37.920 vote splitting on that side. I want to get an understanding of the greater picture. We don't

00:07:42.720 cover British politics very much. But I know, it's really interesting what's going on over there.

00:07:46.720 I sort of following it tangentially. But I know that Labour Prime Minister Keir Starmer came under

00:07:52.960 huge amount of fire for something that came out in the Epstein files, with regards to his choice for

00:07:59.280 ambassador to the United States, someone who apparently had a very sordid history. And so I

00:08:06.240 understood that he was probably going to be resigning, talking about Keir Starmer. And yet,

00:08:11.200 he's still there. So maybe you can help us understand what's happening, just at the national

00:08:15.760 level there. I guess, yeah, the problem in a way for the Labour Party is that if you look at

00:08:22.720 who they've got on the bench, they make Starmer look like, you know, Sidney Crosby, right? So I

00:08:28.720 mean, this is the problem. So you kind of have one individual who's probably even more connected to

00:08:34.080 this Peter Mandelson guy who was linked to the Epstein files. Another individuals on the left

00:08:39.760 of the party, Angela Rayner, who I think, you know, I think probably the Labour Party thinks we would be

00:08:45.200 even more unelectable if we went, went down. And she's also got a scandal over her, 1.00

00:08:50.160 over some property that she supposedly didn't pay tax on. So, yeah, it's just a very tricky picture.

00:08:56.560 I'm what I would say is that, you know, if you take the history, you know, Boris Johnson was elected

00:09:02.080 Prime Minister as a Conservative in 2019, with a landslide majority, he was elected mainly on the

00:09:09.360 strength of Brexit votes, those Brexit voters wanted lower immigration, he actually sent it up to levels

00:09:15.280 that had never been seen before in Britain, like 700,000 a year, gross over a million, you know,

00:09:21.120 so crazy numbers. That's why the Conservative Party are essentially been, you know, they are essentially

00:09:27.280 in the toilet right now. I mean, the question is whether they can ever recover. It's almost

00:09:32.160 what happened to the Tories in Canada, you know, in the 90s, when reform showed up on the scene.

00:09:37.280 So that's kind of, it's not clear that the Tory party will survive. That's how grave the situation

00:09:42.880 is for them. Reforms seem now to be the new Tory party. And if they consolidate that,

00:09:49.920 this could be a major upheaval in British politics of the kinds that established,

00:09:54.400 for example, the Labour Party took over from the Liberals. I think it was, I'm trying to think when

00:09:59.280 this was in the 20s or 30s. But you have these major moments when sometimes old parties just get

00:10:04.400 marginalized. We could be in this moment in Britain right now. It's very interesting. So any prediction,

00:10:10.800 like will Keir Starmer survive as Prime Minister? And it's crazy to think of how many Prime Ministers

00:10:15.200 this country has gone through, right? Like Britain has a reputation of being sort of boring and stable,

00:10:19.200 right? And I was just looking back, I think the six Prime Ministers the last 10 years,

00:10:23.440 going from, you know, David Cameron, to, what was it, Boris Johnson?

00:10:28.720 Yeah, on the Tory side. Most of this has been the Tories cycling through different Prime Ministers.

00:10:33.600 There's Trust, Rishi Sunak, yeah. Trust Sunak, and now, well, the leader is now Kemi Badnock.

00:10:41.760 Now, there is a kind of view that the Tories are more likely, if someone's not doing well in the polls,

00:10:46.880 they'll be more likely to turn on them than the Labour Party. The Labour Party is more reluctant,

00:10:52.640 to do this, supposedly. But it also depends on who they have. There is this mayor of Manchester,

00:10:59.280 Andy Burnham, who Starmer blocked from running actually in a by-election this Thursday, which is

00:11:04.480 going to be one to watch, because it's sort of the sixth strongest Labour seat in the country. And

00:11:11.440 it's currently in a three-way split between Reform, Labour and the Greens. If Reform win that seat,

00:11:17.280 that will be an earthquake that I'm not sure Starmer will survive. He's mainly surviving because the

00:11:23.680 alternatives are so weak. What I've heard is potentially that they're going to wait for the

00:11:29.440 May local elections. They have these waves of local elections, and those reflect the national picture. So

00:11:35.840 assuming Labour gets absolutely killed in those elections, they'll want to pin that on Starmer.

00:11:42.400 He'll take the hit for that. Whereas if they put somebody in now, and then they get killed in May,

00:11:46.720 then that will sink their candidacy. So some of the people are saying that in May, they're going to,

00:11:51.200 after those elections, they're going to get rid of Starmer and put somebody else in. The question is,

00:11:55.440 who else are they going to put in? And that's right now looking pretty grim for Labour.

00:11:59.440 Well, it's interesting. I noted that the candidate in that by-election in Gorton Denton seems to be a

00:12:08.320 colleague of yours, a former GB News presenter and a professor. His name is Matt Goodwin, and you've

00:12:13.920 worked with him and co-authored research papers with him on cultural identity, immigration, and the

00:12:19.360 rise of the populist right. So do you have any insight? How's his campaign going? And is he feeling

00:12:26.880 confident about his chances? Well, I think he's certainly doing, you know, he's putting in the work.

00:12:33.200 But I think we have to be realistic in the sense that this is the sixth most left-wing constituency

00:12:38.800 in Britain. You know, so he is relying essentially on the collapse of the Labour Party and a three-way

00:12:45.840 split between. So you've got Labour and the Greens splitting the left-wing vote and him coming in the

00:12:50.000 middle. It's going to be very close. I mean, if he does win it, it's going to be quite an upset.

00:12:56.080 But very interesting one to watch this Thursday.

00:12:58.960 Okay. Well, we'll keep an eye on that for the audience. And I'm just wondering, will

00:13:02.800 Restore Britain and this new campaign have any impact there? I just want to note that even Elon

00:13:07.040 Musk posted on X on last Monday, sorry, on Monday, on February 23rd, joined Restore Britain and really

00:13:14.800 promoting Rupert Lowe and, you know, Rupert saying he's encouraged by the vast number of young British

00:13:20.320 men who are joining up this movement, thousands and thousands and thousands of them, right? So this seems to

00:13:24.800 be a movement that is energized by young men, which to me, reminds me a little bit of the Dominion

00:13:30.240 Society here in Canada. What do you think?

00:13:31.760 Yeah, I think, look, I think that there, it's unclear whether the energy on social media will

00:13:37.680 translate into the voting booth. But still, I think there's an important point, which is

00:13:42.400 they, I think a lot of these movements want to have a conversation about ethnic transformation and

00:13:48.320 that that should be a legitimate conversation. It's not to say white nationalism, everyone who isn't

00:13:53.680 white isn't British has to go. I think, however, and I think some of them do lean that way. And we 0.91

00:13:58.800 have to be honest that there are some of those elements in this, in this party. But at the same

00:14:04.000 time, I think as a society, part of the immigration debate is really about how rapid the pace of ethnic,

00:14:10.400 ethnic cultural change can be given the pace of assimilation. And I think that's, that is a legitimate 0.99

00:14:16.640 conversation to have. And you're right that, you know, typically, that would be passed on as racist.

00:14:20.800 And I think any mention of ethnic change or ethnic composition as a topic immediately gets labeled

00:14:26.320 racist. But, and that is, in a way, a misuse of the, of the term racism, which should be reserved

00:14:32.400 for those who are seeking a kind of ethnic purity or, or white nationalism, which is, you know, exclusive

00:14:37.360 to, to white people. Whereas just saying, well, we want the composition to kind of look like it was

00:14:43.200 when we grew up, which, which is kind of involved minorities as well as a majority.

00:14:47.520 Um, there's nothing racist about that in if, because the, in fact, there's a, in the literature

00:14:53.520 and psychology, there's a very clear distinction between hatred and superiority to the other and

00:14:58.240 attachment to one zone. Attachments to one zone is a very different disposition, which is generally

00:15:03.680 not correlated with hatred of the other. Those things are collapsed together, but in fact, they're

00:15:08.560 separate and we have to, I think until we actually get to a place where we can talk about this kind

00:15:14.080 of ethnic change, which is ultimately what is, I think behind a lot of the, the immigration concern

00:15:19.760 over immigration. I mean, I did a study where when you get white British people to, or not just white

00:15:26.320 British people, actually any British people to think about the kind of scale of the ethnic changes

00:15:30.960 that will occur as a result of higher immigration, they become a lot more restrictionist. And so I think

00:15:36.320 this is, you know, we can't just talk about pressure on house prices and pressure on hospitals.

00:15:41.520 I do think the cultural elements of conversation are very important to have an open debate about.

00:15:48.080 Well, I completely agree. I think that the conservatives in this country, in Canada,

00:15:51.680 they can talk about immigration, but they stay very closely tied to the economic issues and they're

00:15:55.840 very scared and reluctant to talk about the cultural issues. And, you know, going back to the,

00:16:00.800 the cultural identity versus like hatred of others, it's not even really that, like that's,

00:16:05.440 that's at a much deeper level, but just at a surface level, the way that immigration looks in

00:16:10.000 Canada is that we don't really have a lot of diversity. I'll give you an example. I grew up

00:16:14.080 in Vancouver in a neighborhood called Kerisdale, and it was very ethnically diverse when I was growing

00:16:18.880 up. There were a lot of people from a lot of places. Obviously, there was a majority of the

00:16:23.120 sort of Anglo-Canadian that used to be the majority across the country. And, you know, a few years later,

00:16:29.360 like by the time I was finished elementary school, it wasn't that way anymore. It was, it was 70 or 80

00:16:33.600 or 90 percent Chinese because of immigration patterns that happen. And that totally changed

00:16:39.280 the community, totally changed the neighborhood, changed my ability to play sports. We see this in

00:16:43.280 places like Brampton in Ontario and Surrey, British Columbia and Richmond, BC, where it's not diversity,

00:16:50.800 right? It's like, it's actually the opposite. It's just like one national group coming in and

00:16:56.560 displacing everybody else and becoming the monoculture. And I think that that is in a lot

00:17:00.480 of ways what people are concerned about, worry about. What do you think?

00:17:04.880 Well, I think there are two issues. I mean, one is this issue of the monoculture, the Richmond,

00:17:08.560 the Brampton, that kind of thing, which does exist in Britain in certain places as well.

00:17:13.520 But equally, even if we're talking about super diversity in global neighborhoods with 150 different

00:17:18.640 nationalities, I mean, that is not without its issues. I mean, if we look at research on, for example,

00:17:25.520 trust, would you return a wallet? Are you attached to your neighborhood? All of these metrics tend to

00:17:31.440 be worse in those sort of hyper diverse communities, which also have a lot of population turnover. 0.99

00:17:37.440 And I'm just not sure. I mean, this trade off between diversity and solidarity,

00:17:41.840 I think is pretty robust in many studies. And I think that's the kind of conversation we also need

00:17:48.240 to have. And it's also, by the way, the case that, you know, there was an article recently,

00:17:52.080 I think in New York Magazine about a black resident of Brooklyn who was reminiscing about

00:17:58.880 when Brooklyn was black and it had this community feel and that's been lost. People are allowed to 0.82

00:18:04.480 express nostalgia and a sense of loss if they're not white. But whenever we talk about kind of a 0.94

00:18:11.920 majority group or a white group, that's out of bounds, that's seen as racist. It's actually not,

00:18:16.720 it's the same inclination. Now that's not to say that we have to stop change entirely,

00:18:22.320 but actually those claims should have weight and people should be allowed to have that nostalgia.

00:18:28.240 And the truth of the matter is in a lot of the psychological research,

00:18:32.000 a significant part of the population see change as loss, not as stimulating and interesting,

00:18:37.040 and they see difference as disorderly. A lot of that is actually hereditary and it's not something

00:18:43.520 you can learn. If you try and actually teach it to people, you must love diversity, they will

00:18:47.760 actually react. This was a thesis of Karen Stenner, the Australian social psychologist. So yeah, I think

00:18:54.400 until we are mature enough to actually have those conversations and admit that some people want it

00:19:00.080 faster, some want it slower, we have to be allowing the people who want it slower to express themselves.

00:19:05.600 And until we get there, I think we're not going to have a grown up conversation on this issue.

00:19:09.600 So well put. Eric, I want to change gears just a little bit. You wrote a beautiful essay last

00:19:15.040 week, The Crisis of Nationalism on the Canadian Right, and you had some really interesting insights

00:19:19.760 that I just wanted to ask you about quickly before we wrap up here. So you argue that since the 1960s,

00:19:25.360 Canadian Conservatives have shifted from a British rooted patriotism to an American style libertarianism,

00:19:32.400 producing what you call anti-Canadianism on the right. You certainly see that right now with the

00:19:37.200 Trump views. If you're a pro-Trump Canadian, it's like you kind of have to be anti-Canadian and

00:19:42.560 that feels a little weird. And you urged for a renewed national identity rooted in our country's

00:19:48.800 British, French, Indigenous founding peoples rather than one defined. It's such an interesting concept

00:19:54.080 because in most countries, patriotism and nationalism are kind of like a right-wing phenomenon, right? But in

00:19:59.440 Canada, it's the opposite. It's like a left-wing phenomenon. And therefore, it's like knee-jerk,

00:20:03.840 instinctively anti-American, right? And so then what happens for Canadian Conservatives like myself,

00:20:08.880 like I happen to be very pro-American. I love America. I think America is a great country and

00:20:13.120 it's a force for good in the world. And I think that Canada would be much better suited to be aligned

00:20:18.800 closely with the US and to trade with them and to partner with them. It just makes sense, right?

00:20:23.680 And so I even have a hard time navigating it because I like the US. I think President Trump is

00:20:29.040 doing a lot of good things, but I also still love Canada. And so I'm wondering if you could help

00:20:33.280 us sort of navigate, like what should Canadian Conservatives be saying and doing and how can we

00:20:38.240 kind of re-embrace a pro-Canada position while also having conservative values and appreciating

00:20:44.640 some of the things that happen in the US? Yeah. I mean, I think this all goes back to

00:20:49.600 the redefinition, the reinvention or the invention of Canada as the left-wing America, which took place

00:20:55.920 in the sixties with the Pierce and Trudeau liberal governments. So they reinvented Canada as a kind of

00:21:01.040 cultural left America, really, instead of what it used to be, which was a British America. Fine, 0.86

00:21:07.200 the empire was in decline. That wasn't going to be viable going forward, but this reinvention of

00:21:13.280 Canada has alienated Conservatives from the country. And I just showed some polling where if you say,

00:21:19.120 well, if America paid every Canadian a million, should we sell the country? And you get a clear majority 0.96

00:21:24.880 of Canadian Conservatives saying they would, whereas in Britain, most conservative Brits wouldn't

00:21:30.560 actually go for that deal. And I think part of the problem is that because the left has colonized

00:21:35.680 Canadian identity, it's made it unattractive to a lot of conservative people. The solution, 0.92

00:21:40.880 in my view, is to stop making values and universal ideology the prop of nationality.

00:21:48.640 You shouldn't be defining Canadian identity on the basis of universal values. It should be,

00:21:54.240 it should be, yes, of course we have the values that we want to uphold liberal democracy and

00:21:59.120 toleration and so on, but that shouldn't actually define Canadian distinctiveness as much as

00:22:05.200 the particularities of who, who we are, the landscape, the Northern, the Northern landscape and

00:22:11.920 climate, for example, the interaction, the very unique interaction of, of, you know, British Americans with

00:22:18.240 French Canadians with indigenous. I mean, that is really what the country is in its particularity.

00:22:24.160 So letting the kind of particularity of the country and hockey and various other political

00:22:29.120 particular traditions, that should be defined in the country. And if that's the case, then you

00:22:33.600 can be a socialist, you can be a conservative, you can still be a Canadian. It doesn't matter what your

00:22:38.880 ideology is. So we have to somehow find a way of overturning this left-wing definition of what Canada

00:22:47.120 is in order to make it sort of, in order not to alienate people who are on the right.

00:22:51.440 I think it's such an interesting perspective. And I agree, like conservatives have such an

00:22:55.840 opportunity, just given how much Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his Liberals turned their backs

00:23:01.040 on Canada. You have to remember that they're the government that accused the country of genocide

00:23:05.920 that were okay and stood by while statues of John A. Macdonald and even Queen Victoria were toppled,

00:23:12.080 right? So they kind of became almost the anti-Canadian party. They had the flags at halfstaff

00:23:17.200 for over six months, over what turned out to be pretty much a hoax. So, you know, the conservatives

00:23:22.800 have an opportunity to step in and really become the party of Canadian nationalism and patriotism.

00:23:28.720 It's just, you know, you've got the work cut out for them when you're dealing with a trade war

00:23:33.040 against President Trump, so. Well, yeah, I mean, I think you're right. The opportunity to own

00:23:38.640 the Canadian flag, Canadian history from Sir John A. Macdonald on forward, the whole narrative,

00:23:44.800 all that stuff that people actually love, most Canadians love, because the Liberals have painted

00:23:49.520 themselves into this corner with the sort of critical race theories that the colonialists left.

00:23:54.000 Yeah, and the Indigenous stuff, I mean, it is going to take a Prime Minister that's willing to really 0.75

00:24:00.880 unseat the sort of white guilt Indigenous narrative. I think that's going to be central. And you see,

00:24:07.040 you know, in British Columbia politics, the beginnings of that, but that's going to be key

00:24:10.800 to reclaim Canadian history and use it against the left. I think that's going to be a key move.

00:24:17.120 So we're still waiting for leadership on that, but I'm hoping it'll get there.

00:24:21.600 I think that's the direction we're headed, and I'm pleased about that. All right, folks, that's all the

00:24:26.400 time we have. Professor Eric Kaufman, thank you so much. It's always great to have you on the show,

00:24:30.000 and thanks for your insights. Thanks, Candice. It's been a pleasure.

00:24:32.880 All right, folks, we will be back again tomorrow with all the news. Thanks for tuning in. I'm

00:24:36.320 Candice Malcolm. This is Candice Malcolm Show. Thank you, and God bless.

Juno News - February 24, 2026

The pro-immigration consensus has collapsed across the West. It’s time for something different

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