Juno News - April 04, 2025


The REAL story of the election： voters shifted their anger from Trudeau's Liberals to Singh’s NDP

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Justin Trudeau Mark Carney Pierre Poilievre Jagmeet Singh Pierre Trudeau Katie Telford Donald Trump Gerald Butts Tom Leclerc Bill Blair Mendicino LeBlanc Juno
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In this episode of the podcast, we talk about the current state of politics in Canada and why the current election is so close to a nail biter between the two main parties, the Tories and the NDP. We talk about who's winning, who's losing, and what we should be worried about.

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00:00:00.000 Mark Carney has three passports, Canada, United Kingdom, Ireland, a globalist with options.
00:00:10.600 He hasn't seen Canada in a decade, calls himself a European, not a Canadian.
00:00:20.200 Told U.S. Congress last year, he's a Brit, he's back to lord over you.
00:00:27.320 Canada's not his home, it's his throne.
00:00:35.340 What the polls are showing us is not so much the collapse of the Conservative vote.
00:00:40.220 The Conservative vote has remained pretty constant, pretty steady in like the high 30s to maybe even 40 percent.
00:00:47.080 And that's where the Conservatives and Pierre Paulyev have been in the polls for the last like 16 to 18 months.
00:00:52.700 I think they hit a peak of like 42, 43 percent in December, like the height of Justin Trudeau's unpopularity.
00:00:59.780 But that was never going to hold for an election.
00:01:02.560 What has really happened is the complete and utter collapse of the NDP.
00:01:06.560 The NDP has gone from polling, you know, 15 to 20 percent consistently over the last several years down to single digits, down to some polls have them getting as low as zero seats.
00:01:19.180 Like there's a possibility that the NDP will be completely wiped out in this election.
00:01:24.480 The left is consolidating their vote around Mark Carney.
00:01:27.840 So all of the people who have typically split the vote between these two parties and maybe there's two different profiles of an NDP voter and a Liberal voter.
00:01:35.300 They both basically abandoned this idea of having a third left wing party, the NDP, and saying, no, we're all going to put our support behind Mark Carney.
00:01:44.760 This is supported even like man on the street interviews that we've done for Juno, where a reporter will go to one of these elbows up rallies and interview them.
00:01:53.900 And a lot of the people are traditional like social Democrats, left wingers, younger, very like urban environmentalist types, like the champagne socialist types.
00:02:03.420 And they basically say, I'm a lifelong NDP voter, but I'm voting for Mark Carney because I believe that we have to stop Pierre Polyev.
00:02:10.640 We don't want to have a conservative in Ottawa and Donald Trump.
00:02:14.680 And that's the motivating factor.
00:02:16.580 So it doesn't matter how well Pierre Polyev performs, how much he knocks it out of the park, how strong he is, how big his rallies are, right?
00:02:25.420 It's hard to circle the square, right?
00:02:27.440 Because you look at Mark Carney, his campaign launch in Nepean over the weekend, and I think he had 40 people in the room.
00:02:33.860 I think someone counted.
00:02:35.920 There was like 45 or 47 people in the room, whereas Pierre Polyev is having these like historic rallies with 5,000, 6,000 people.
00:02:44.700 There's a lot of excitement around Pierre Polyev.
00:02:47.220 He's kind of an exciting character on the political right.
00:02:50.560 I don't think that the, I don't think that conservatives have had a leader like him, maybe in my lifetime.
00:02:56.320 And, you know, he's charismatic, he's young, he connects with young voters.
00:02:59.940 He's an incredible communicator.
00:03:01.860 Like he communicates better than like any podcaster, any YouTuber.
00:03:06.580 Like he understands the message and he can communicate it so well.
00:03:10.360 And I would say the same thing on economics.
00:03:12.040 Like I've interviewed Pierre Polyev and him explaining like monetary theory and inflation, better than like anyone at a think tank or anyone in an economics department.
00:03:23.960 So he's like a once in a lifetime guy.
00:03:26.560 He's a real deal.
00:03:27.180 And yet, because of this confluence of all these outside factors, I just, I fear that it's just like history is working against him, unfortunately.
00:03:37.260 Wow.
00:03:37.680 Yeah.
00:03:37.880 So didn't even Tom Leclerc, former leader of the NDP and a leader of the opposition party for one, at one point say to, you know, NDPers, listen, people, you got to vote liberal.
00:03:50.120 Didn't he say that recently?
00:03:51.620 Yeah.
00:03:51.880 He said that there's no reason to vote for the NDP anymore.
00:03:54.360 And I don't think there's a lot of love lost between him and the current leader, Dugmeet Singh.
00:03:58.300 But Dugmeet Singh has done an incredible disservice to Canadians.
00:04:01.220 And I think he deserves like every ounce of what's coming his way.
00:04:04.520 Right.
00:04:04.800 Like he had so many opportunities over the last four years to defeat the government, to vote them down.
00:04:10.500 And that is what Canadians wanted.
00:04:11.980 Right.
00:04:12.420 But he was always in it for himself.
00:04:14.080 He was always trying to strike a deal to maintain his own political power.
00:04:18.160 I think he misread the situation, Sean, because say he had triggered an election back in October or like there was a there was a by-election that the conservatives wanted downtown Toronto.
00:04:28.100 Right.
00:04:28.540 Like the strongest of the strongholds for the Liberal Party and a conservative wanted that I think that was in the summer of 2023.
00:04:34.880 If they had called an election any time between then and December, I actually think it would have been the liberals that would have been wiped out.
00:04:42.200 I think that the voting public is so angry at Justin Trudeau and the way that his policies have destroyed our country in so many ways.
00:04:49.720 We can get into any of that later.
00:04:51.560 But but in so many ways, Justin Trudeau has destroyed Canada.
00:04:54.560 And voters are so angry about that, that they would have taken their frustration out at Justin Trudeau.
00:05:00.280 And Jagmeet Singh could have found himself as the true balance of power, the leader of the opposition, a person who has a lot of power.
00:05:07.180 They even have an official residence in Ottawa.
00:05:09.320 But because Jagmeet Singh was a coward and he preferred to just prop up the liberals, you know, there's a lot of speculation that he was waiting for his pension.
00:05:18.460 His pension finally kicked in a couple of weeks ago. 0.92
00:05:21.760 And so now he's guaranteed that sort of golden parachute on his way out.
00:05:25.660 He waited for that for personal reasons.
00:05:27.760 And he's the one that's going to get punished, the brunt of the anger that Canadians have over the things that have been done to our country.
00:05:33.800 Well, it wasn't Mark Carney's fault because he wasn't really there.
00:05:36.280 The only person left from that coalition is Jagmeet Singh.
00:05:40.160 Now, I wish the Canadians would still take it out on the liberals. 0.98
00:05:43.020 I wish that they would say, look, it's still the same gang, right?
00:05:45.980 It's Katie Telford and Gerald Butts behind the scene advising.
00:05:49.320 It's Chrysia Freeland and Stephane Gilbeau and Bill Blair and Mendicino and just, you know, LeBlanc.
00:05:57.340 All these characters are still the ones that are going to be running the government.
00:06:02.160 It's just that the guy at the very top is going to be Mark Carney rather than Justin Trudeau.
00:06:06.320 I wish that Canadians would take it out on the liberal party, but I don't see it happening that way.
00:06:10.880 Yeah.
00:06:11.220 And that was actually where I was going to go.
00:06:14.200 I'm glad that you mentioned that the party is still substantively the same.
00:06:18.100 However, there's also the argument that, well, we've got a new leader.
00:06:21.820 And so really we should stop talking about a lost decade and start saying, well, how does Pierre Polyev stack up against Mark Carney?
00:06:30.220 Which is kind of tough to do with Mark Carney taking all the best and most popular ideas of Polyev.
00:06:36.080 Is that fair to say that we should just move on from the lost decade?
00:06:39.780 Or do you think there's some runway and some value to really doubling down and saying, no, we need to convince you that Mark Carney is just simply liberal party 2.0.
00:06:52.560 He's just another Justin Trudeau.
00:06:54.680 Well, I think that has been the strategy in trying to call Mark Carney just like, you know, the next version of Justin Trudeau.
00:07:00.700 It's hard, though, because they're quite different people, right?
00:07:02.660 The thing about Justin Trudeau was that he sort of rose to prominence based on his fame and his family's name and his family's accomplishment.
00:07:10.200 Not so much his own.
00:07:11.260 I think Canadians believed in like the hope of Justin Trudeau, the promise of Justin Trudeau.
00:07:16.220 And they bought into a lot of his sort of aspirational ideas.
00:07:21.480 Obviously, that hasn't turned out very well.
00:07:23.580 But, you know, Justin Trudeau was an unserious person.
00:07:25.540 He didn't have any kind of a resume to become prime minister, right?
00:07:29.420 He was a drama teacher and a whitewater rafting instructor, and he liked to wear blackface a lot.
00:07:34.720 That's pretty much all there is to know about young Justin Trudeau.
00:07:38.200 Whereas Mark Carney is the opposite, right?
00:07:39.840 Mark Carney is clearly a very intelligent person.
00:07:42.620 He has gone through some of the most prestigious institutions in the world, Harvard, Oxford, although we did just learn that he plagiarized his Ph.D. at Oxford, allegedly.
00:07:54.080 So, you know, maybe he's been borrowing other people's ideas all along.
00:07:59.000 But still, you know, he rose through the bureaucracy, became the governor of the Bank of Canada, got picked up to be the governor of the Bank of England, which I don't think has ever happened for there to be a foreigner in that role.
00:08:09.160 But obviously very well regarded and successful even in his private life.
00:08:14.740 The thing that I'm worried about is that even though he seems like a moderate, like the picture of Mark Carney as a sort of steady hand and a central banker and more of a bureaucrat in his demeanor.
00:08:26.040 The more you look into him, the more you study who he is as a man and what his views are, you realize that he's also a radical ideologue in so many different areas and departments.
00:08:38.620 You can talk about his 2021 book, Values, where he's really obsessed with the idea of net zero like that is that is everything to him in terms of business, like all of his business dealings, all of his investments.
00:08:50.700 They all kind of circled around this idea of environmental and social goods and this idea that, you know, we have to phase ourselves off of oil and gas.
00:09:01.820 So when I think what Canada needs to recover, I agree that we've had a lost decade.
00:09:06.820 And I would even say it's deeper than that and worse than that.
00:09:10.920 Like, I think Canada is in deep, deep trouble as a country.
00:09:14.620 I don't think that we lived up to the ideal of what Canada could have been.
00:09:19.120 Right. Like, if you think about after the Second World War, Canada came back with like a great deal of pride and accomplishment over some of the military battles and achievements that we gained.
00:09:31.320 And, you know, it was a super hopeful time for a new future.
00:09:35.800 And I think if Canada had been really serious about wanting to be a great country, rich country, there were things that we could have done back then right up to like building our own sovereign wealth fund.
00:09:46.700 Like we could be richer than the United Arab Emirates.
00:09:49.160 We could be a bigger, better financial house, a powerhouse than like Singapore or Hong Kong.
00:09:57.080 But we didn't. Right.
00:09:58.100 We developed through social democracy.
00:10:00.700 The first Justin Trudeau, the first Trudeau, Justin's father, Pierre Trudeau, really implemented like a brand of socialism that I think has been like weighing and tugging us down.
00:10:09.120 And like when you think about like what the major problems are, it's like it's not you can't just like snap your fingers and say, let's like apply some free market tactics here and there and hopefully fix it.
00:10:20.740 Like how do you how do you solve like three levels of government with like massive bureaucracy and busybody bureaucrats with rules that will prevent the kind of growth that we need to recover? 0.64
00:10:36.580 Right. It's like there's no clear path.
00:10:38.520 There's no clear idea of like how that would work.
00:10:40.180 So I think whoever becomes prime minister has a work cut out for them.
00:10:43.060 I don't I'm not very optimistic that Mark Carney has even identified the right direction to go in.
00:10:49.760 Right. I still think he's going to go in the same direction as Justin Trudeau with regards to making our economy even less competitive, imposing even more regulations and barriers that will prevent us from reaching the kind of economic promise of Canada.
00:11:13.060 Thank you.
00:11:19.760 Thank you.
00:11:21.760 Thank you.