Juno News - November 04, 2023


The stigma surrounding Christine Anderson


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In this episode of the Rupa Subramania show, I speak to Christine Anderson, a member of the Alternative for Germany (AfD) party in Germany, about what the AfD stands for and what it stands for in Canada.

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00:00:00.000 welcome to the rupa subramania show everybody i'm your host rupa subramania today i'm going
00:00:21.760 to be speaking to christine anderson she is a member of the european parliament a body that
00:00:28.160 is part of the european union she belongs to the alternative for germany or the afd party
00:00:35.920 in germany the afd is seen by many in the political mainstream both the traditional
00:00:42.400 right and the traditional left as being beyond the pale because of their strong position on
00:00:48.240 immigration and asylum seekers and their position on radical islam they are also seen in some
00:00:55.520 quarters as being anti-semitic their views on immigration for example are not any more
00:01:02.160 controversial than say the more right-wing elements of the conservative party here in canada or the ppc
00:01:10.000 in canada however given germany's unique history the period of nazi rule and the cataclysm of the
00:01:18.400 holocaust many germans feel very uneasy about accepting the afd into the mainstream but things
00:01:28.160 are starting to change public opinion is changing the afd is now polling second nationally after the
00:01:35.360 christian democratic union this is the mainstream center-right party and it's far ahead of the
00:01:42.080 members of the current ruling coalition the social democrats the free democrats and the greens in some
00:01:49.040 provinces of the former east germany the afd is actually leading in the polls now when christine
00:01:57.040 anderson visited canada this past winter back in february the reaction to her visit by members of the
00:02:04.800 mainstream left was pretty predictable uh there was a complete meltdown uh that uh that christine anderson 1.00
00:02:12.880 of the afd or a member of the afd was visiting canada but it also put the conservative party in a quandary
00:02:20.720 uh party leader pierre polliever uh joined uh prime minister justin trudeau in condemning her and her
00:02:27.120 visit however some tory mps including leslin lewis and dean allison uh met with christine
00:02:34.320 during her canadian tour now very few canadians have had a chance uh to hear from christine directly
00:02:42.640 um very few canadians even know anything about the afd and what they stand for uh because a lot of this
00:02:49.680 gets um caught up in a social media frenzy so today i had the i have the opportunity to speak to
00:02:58.080 christine uh directly about her views about what the afd stands for and what the afd's rising
00:03:05.680 popularity means uh for germany and for the world welcome to the show christine um it's uh it's great
00:03:13.120 to have you on on my show and i'm really looking forward to our conversation uh i want to start by
00:03:18.720 asking you about your visit to canada this past february uh there was a lot of um outrage and indignation
00:03:26.640 by many in the mainstream uh and also uh to some extent uh uh people from the conservative party
00:03:34.240 uh just tell me what brought you to canada and uh what uh you made of the reaction to your visit
00:03:42.320 well the reason i came to canada is what i really wanted to meet uh the freedom truckers which i
00:03:49.200 consider to be the bravest people in the world uh what they when once they started protesting and that
00:03:56.400 was uh ricks were rolling i mean that you know sent the light throughout the entire world and
00:04:01.760 inspired so many others and plus it um broke the the um the sense uh people were given and that is you
00:04:11.520 know kind of part of the game plan to um insinuate that people they're you're all isolated you're all
00:04:18.640 on your own with this and you know if you consider government measures to be outrageous you are completely
00:04:26.080 alone and isolated with this and uh once the the freedom congoi started um people realized probably
00:04:34.720 many of them for the first time hey we're not alone in this there's others that you know also do not
00:04:40.720 uh consider the measures to be uh right so um yeah i wanted to meet the people and um i did i had a
00:04:49.520 great time uh and i was they really welcomed me in a way that i would have never thought possible uh it
00:04:58.240 was really warm-hearted you know i mean seriously i i got the impression gosh they they really love me
00:05:07.520 so what happened then when uh i got pretty much thrown under the bus that was just you know a little
00:05:14.640 a little nuisance to deal with uh really didn't bother me that much because i am used to to stuff
00:05:20.640 like that so and i always say you know that is not my problem that is their problem and i know what i
00:05:27.360 stand for and and no one gets to define me and uh so let them speak people will always talk you know
00:05:36.800 and so yeah i i had a really fantastic time yeah so one of the things that makes you controversial
00:05:45.360 um is not necessarily your support for the truckers although that is also controversial uh here in
00:05:51.520 canada for all of us who controversial are you people standing up for freedom democracy and a rule of law
00:05:58.480 should never be controversial especially not in a democracy yeah no absolutely that's uh exactly right
00:06:07.280 but many of us who stand up for those things are smeared in many different ways and so uh that itself
00:06:14.480 is controversial but one of the things that makes you controversial i hate to use that word because i've
00:06:20.080 been described as controversial uh is that you belong to the um uh afd um tell me why why is the afd
00:06:29.520 controversial uh what makes it controversial it's seen as beyond the pale uh even in germany um uh by
00:06:38.640 the mainstream political establishment both the traditional left and the traditional right
00:06:42.640 state well it's what what i just said uh my party afd we stand up uh for freedom democracy and the rule
00:06:51.600 of law and that makes us controversial uh of course we aren't not controversial by no stretch of the
00:06:59.520 imagination but we are um perceived as a threat to um mainstream policy politics you know the politically
00:07:10.960 decided narrative um so that that's actually why they label us controversial or you know smear us with
00:07:17.760 other kind of named right-wing extremists and nazis i mean the whole whole shebang you know it's all in
00:07:23.280 there racist homophobes the entire thing so um yeah that's uh when you look at my party actually look at
00:07:31.280 our our program um it reads exactly what you could have read in the uh party programs of the former
00:07:40.720 conservative party the christian democrats and the former former liberal party the fdp um like what
00:07:47.680 15 20 years ago it's it's exactly the same thing but they have uh made a shift you know from being
00:07:55.120 conservative and being liberal to the left and and they continue to shift to the left even adopt now the
00:08:02.880 green ideology and all of that nonsense so um yeah we are actually the only party in germany
00:08:10.960 that still lives by democratic standards meaning freedom democracy rule of law division of power
00:08:18.720 um the the the one man one vote rule and all of that we uh advocate for having um uh what do you call it
00:08:29.440 i'm missing the word now um where you ask the entire people on a particular issue a referendum so we stand for
00:08:37.600 all these things you know we actually want the people to be in charge and be in power and not these
00:08:45.840 despicable uh you know globalists or the puppets of these despicable globalists so that's why we get
00:08:53.360 attacked but uh but there is i mean there have been some statements made by leaders uh of the afd in the 0.98
00:09:02.240 past um that have been interpreted as being anti-semitic um or anti-muslim uh for that matter um i want you
00:09:12.640 to help us understand like what exactly was were those what was that about did did the world get it
00:09:19.600 wrong did did everybody interpret these things incorrectly what is going on here okay well the
00:09:25.440 operative word here uh being interpreted you know okay if you uh state which should be you know a matter
00:09:34.640 of course uh uh uh to have uh state borders and to control your borders you're perceived as being racist
00:09:43.200 you know so their interpretation but i mean seriously think about this um probably everyone uh in the
00:09:52.080 united states and canada you know everywhere is locking their front door to their house right
00:09:59.760 why would they do that well so they can be safe within their own home that's the purpose no one in
00:10:08.480 their right mind would you know just leave the door wide open invite just about anyone in uh and
00:10:16.480 just just just then realize gosh my family is no longer safe in my house and would then go about
00:10:22.320 installing video surveillance in the entire house no they would kick them all out and they would lock up
00:10:28.720 their door so why should that not hold true for a country because that's the purpose of a country and
00:10:35.840 that's how it developed first you had you know very small uh settlements you know but they had some kind
00:10:43.200 of protective border around it a fence something so people inside would be safe so then it became
00:10:51.760 villages then cities but they all had a protective border around it and once we grew you know all of
00:10:59.360 these settlements grew into nations yeah you had a state border for what purpose because the people inside
00:11:06.560 needed to be safe because you do not know who is coming in and if you let anyone in
00:11:12.720 then you are no longer safe which then and we're seeing that in germany now but once you tear down
00:11:19.360 the outer borders uh like the let's say the nation's border or the city border you will have to erect
00:11:26.800 little borders within that space to be once again safe and that is ridiculous so just wanting to
00:11:36.800 enforce uh border patrols and border controls and and not just let anyone in uh yeah that gets you
00:11:43.920 labeled a racist xenophobe and you know the whole shebet um i mean there is a movement within the afd there
00:11:53.520 is a wing of the afd that wants to interpret um uh you know um germany's nazi past um there are elements in
00:12:04.240 the party that uh that that are trying to do that um what is your take on that as in
00:12:11.360 should germany continue to atone for its nazi past i think that's one thing that uh members some members
00:12:17.760 of the afd are you know are trying to say look how long are we going to keep atoning for this
00:12:22.560 um what is your what is your view on that okay so first of all um if you say there is you know a few
00:12:30.080 people within the afd that uh have a different uh viewpoint on that you you will have to give me
00:12:36.800 some names because i don't know a single person within my party who ever wants to go back to these
00:12:44.640 times on the contrary um we do not want ever to go back there on top of all of that and that that's
00:12:53.680 really a problem um especially in the last three years um that was have become quite apparent if you
00:13:01.600 were to point out the parallels of what the nazis did back then i mean nazi germany did not start out
00:13:09.200 by rounding up people and transporting them off to camps that was not the beginning that was the end
00:13:16.240 point of of it all so but it started there were little incremental steps one step at a time
00:13:23.360 to get people used to you know a certain way of doing things so they started out by saying well
00:13:28.560 the jews can no longer sit on certain benches in a park oh yeah what's the big deal right you can kind 1.00
00:13:34.480 of rationalize that even though there's other benches let them sit on them well yeah and then those
00:13:40.480 were taken away then the next step and you know so people get used to you know doing certain well you
00:13:46.640 know then the next step came so if we were to point out that the mechanisms that were implemented and
00:13:54.160 that took place back then the steps that the nazis actually took back then if you were to point out
00:13:59.440 parallels to how things are nowadays you automatically get accused of trivializing the holocaust it is this
00:14:09.360 insane and trivializing clarifying the holocaust is uh is a crime under the german penal code so but and
00:14:19.280 and this is this is really the problem how are we supposed to live up to our promise never again
00:14:29.120 if you have no idea how it started how are you supposed to fight the beginnings
00:14:34.480 if you are no longer allowed to talk about how it got started back then okay that's really you know
00:14:44.640 and for the life of me i i cannot understand so how will the next generation be able to continue to live
00:14:53.600 up to that promise if i can't tell them how it happened back then and the thing is this another thing
00:15:01.840 someone calling me a nazi at what conclusion will a young person arrive at they look at me and say
00:15:10.160 well wait but she's a nazi they must obviously conclude well if she's a nazi then the nazis could 0.93
00:15:18.800 not have been that bad now could they you know considering the atrocities that the nazis inflicted 0.92
00:15:27.680 on mankind and to compare me to that that is trivializing the holocaust and that is trivializing 0.51
00:15:35.680 the nazis but they don't get that they just don't get it yeah that's very that's a very good point that
00:15:45.520 that you make in fact that's what we're doing we're actually trivializing trivializing these atrocities
00:15:50.960 by calling everybody that you disagree with as a nazi but it's good to have your
00:15:55.120 uh views on the record uh christine so that's uh that's very important that um i i will be clear
00:16:02.720 on that i absolutely test the nazis and i really took a deep dive into how it was possible because
00:16:11.760 that's just mind-blowing when when you look back at germany in the in the 20s and the 30s we were a
00:16:18.160 highly sophisticated highly educated nation i mean we were you know leading in the science german was
00:16:26.000 the the international scientific language i mean there are numerous inventions came out of germany
00:16:33.120 poems music i mean seriously we were a highly sophisticated educated and civilized country society
00:16:43.200 and yet it was possible to have all of these atrocities going on in germany and then that
00:16:52.880 really is mind-blowing so how was that possible so i took a really deep dive into you know the incremental
00:16:59.680 steps the psychology involved and all of that so and uh like i said people really need to understand
00:17:08.000 how it happened back then and only then will they be able to recognize that it can happen anywhere
00:17:15.760 any place again and in order to stop that you need to know you need to know how it was possible
00:17:25.200 yeah how how diverse is the support for the afd in germany uh as in like um um you know is it is
00:17:34.160 it like do you have support from like uh from muslims do you have support from um you know minority
00:17:41.280 communities uh just out of curiosity i want to know how diverse the support for the afd is 0.72
00:17:47.680 well um actually we are a rather diverse party i mean one of the the board uh president she is she's gay
00:17:57.120 right so but and that's all interesting though um for a sexual orientation that never played a part
00:18:07.360 within our party you know she never had to answer questions in terms of that within our party
00:18:14.240 so it was like you know we just kind of took note and that that was it right yeah once she got elected
00:18:20.320 or once she got got uh became um she ran for the bundestag in 2017 and she was one of the the the top
00:18:30.560 rankings and all she had to do all day long was answering questions from mainstream media how come
00:18:39.120 you're gay and you are in this party so they made an issue out of it you know so uh yeah but there was
00:18:45.920 just a side note but yeah there is uh we have lots of uh members within our party they have a migration 0.91
00:18:52.240 background they you know come from other countries um yeah we even have muslims in in our party that
00:18:58.800 that is not the issue at all you know um when it comes to to that my issue actually is with islam
00:19:06.480 i don't have an issue with muslims i have an issue with islam which i consider to be uh an ideology 1.00
00:19:16.160 yeah uh yeah um that's um i read a um a news story from a few years ago um and i don't know if this
00:19:25.040 is still the case apparently there were there were jewish members of the afd uh is that still the case
00:19:30.480 or do you still have jewish members of the afd of course we even have an organization within our party
00:19:37.920 it's uh it's called jews in the afd yeah of course we do yeah the reason i ask this is that a lot of
00:19:47.440 parties that are smeared as far right tend to draw support from groups that are traditionally seen as
00:19:55.280 voting for mainstream political parties but increasingly even here in canada you you're
00:20:00.000 starting to see that you know um that that it's it's it's actually a diverse group of people that
00:20:06.800 end up supporting these parties and so i find that uh uh fascinating as um as you know as as
00:20:13.760 you know as an observer um but um i want to talk about ask you about what explains um you know even
00:20:22.880 though the mainstream political establishment in germany wants to shun the afd uh but the afd has
00:20:29.680 had a dramatic rise in in recent months uh and uh how how do you how do you explain that
00:20:38.960 well uh very simple everything we've been saying for 10 years my party was founded 10 years ago and
00:20:47.120 everything we have been saying for 10 years turned out to be true and people are now realizing that
00:20:55.840 so i mean you know yeah okay uh we were labeled as nazis right-wing extremists and all of that and
00:21:03.280 that was to get people not to listen to us not to even deal with that uh not to even you know consider
00:21:10.240 reading our party program you know which is out in the open if anyone can read it but most people just
00:21:16.160 don't they turn on their television set and their televisions that tells them afd is a nazi party 0.62
00:21:22.000 and that's it right so they don't they don't think for themselves and they don't do their own research
00:21:28.320 but um like i said we've been around for 10 years and everything we've been saying and everything
00:21:35.520 we've been stigmatized for and labeled for and smeared for turns out now it was all true everything we were
00:21:43.760 saying and people are realizing that and um they're quite frank they're just fed up with uh being told
00:21:52.400 lies um and you know whatever party happens to be in the opposition of the mainstream media parties
00:21:58.640 um once they're in opposition you know they kind of kind of say what the people would like to hear
00:22:06.880 and what people would actually want so they get elected they're back in government and then guess what
00:22:12.880 you know they're doing it all over again you know so and uh hopefully people will now realize
00:22:19.520 it's just a matter of in the opposition they will tell you whatever they want and whatever they think
00:22:25.280 that you want to hear to just then do the exact opposite once again in government oh can you tell
00:22:33.680 explain to us briefly what are the main uh policy differences between the afd and the mainstream
00:22:39.680 political parties uh and if you think this is one of the reasons why uh you guys are surging in the
00:22:46.480 polls um well first of all we uh we do want uh nation borders but the people within germany need to be
00:22:56.000 safe um secondly uh national sovereignty a very big issue um then thirdly um you know this whole climate
00:23:06.560 madness which is really just insane ideology um that so we we would rather go back to nuclear power
00:23:16.880 which is the cleanest power actually if you think about it right um so we just want people to
00:23:24.320 to you know afford uh energy food housing and do all of that instead of um
00:23:32.480 um artificially increasing it you know because we have to adhere to some kind of a sick ideology
00:23:41.840 right um so that that would be an issue um i mean there's pretty much we are um advocating for exactly
00:23:52.400 what the conservatives and the liberal party advocated for like like i said 15 20 years ago
00:23:58.240 so just common sense you know policy common sense politics and uh none of that bogus ideology ideological
00:24:07.520 idiocy you know i mean you you see it just just about everywhere yeah i i would say that um the afd was
00:24:15.680 probably far ahead of the curve in taking a position on these issues what was once seen as extreme
00:24:22.160 actually is now becoming rather mainstream um um you know we you know we are sitting on the on the
00:24:30.320 government bench that's where the extremists are yeah i mean we saw we see that the social democrats in
00:24:37.200 denmark for example made it part of their successful re-election campaign uh in the us and canada
00:24:43.040 mainstream um conservative parties are are now uh uh embracing even the liberals you know this talk within
00:24:51.200 liberal segments here um that uh hey wait a minute you know our very lenient immigration policy it's not
00:24:59.760 working for us and maybe we need to put a uh put a break on it um um so even parties on the left even
00:25:07.040 commentators on the left are being forced to reconsider their support for high levels of immigration
00:25:12.160 and asylum um and there's been of course they're reacting to a backlash from within the local
00:25:17.680 population um so in a sense it's kind of ironic like the afd was seen as crazy for stating these
00:25:26.640 positions but everybody is now saying the same thing now um how do you see this playing out uh from
00:25:33.360 your perch like you know you've been at this for like 10 years or more uh being with the afd how do you
00:25:38.800 see the future of conservative politics in europe and more generally in the west shaping in light of
00:25:44.480 everything well and i you already mentioned uh the social democrats in in sweden uh i think in denmark
00:25:54.000 sorry they're having eaten they're starting now kind of too so i mean really they have a huge problem
00:26:01.280 uh with migrants there because they just let you know anyone anyone in and whatever so um yeah so 0.97
00:26:09.680 but the thing is this uh for germany gosh i really have a hard time considering or even thinking about
00:26:16.320 that our mainstream parties uh like the established or old parties as i would call them um that they would
00:26:23.680 ever reconsider um all they are doing is uh like i said if they want to get re-elected right they
00:26:31.440 they start talking about oh yeah well there is lots of uh so-called refugees um that really have no 0.99
00:26:37.680 right to be here uh and so they need to go back home but it's just talk it's always just talk right
00:26:45.360 they never actually do any of what they said they were going to do so um i have a hard time uh believing
00:26:53.760 that uh the established parties in germany would actually reconsider um in other countries yeah it might
00:27:00.720 happen here and there um but uh that's what the eu is for right we have this uh eu commission you know
00:27:11.600 and where's left underline you know running it uh trust me she'll make sure that other european
00:27:19.120 countries do not you know reconsider and possibly do something else so they have all kinds of instruments
00:27:25.840 at their disposal there is the so-called uh rule of law mechanism which is uh applied when a country
00:27:33.680 steps out of line and they define what is stepping out of line uh what that constitutes so if a country
00:27:42.400 anything that the the woke eu uh does not approve of or does not appreciate they'll get slapped with a 0.73
00:27:52.720 rule of law mechanism meaning they will cut their funds right so yeah and that particularly holds true
00:27:59.760 for or is very effective in uh with the eastern european countries uh because they have a completely
00:28:06.640 i mean they have they have a different past and they remember what it was like to live under totalitarian
00:28:14.160 rule by the soviets it hasn't been that long ago that they have overcome that and they recognize the signs
00:28:21.600 they know exactly what's coming because they've been there they've done that so if they were to um
00:28:29.040 emphasize national sovereignty or their border control or stuff like that they'll get slapped with a
00:28:35.920 with that mechanism meaning they will cut their funds you know it works it's like a charm
00:28:41.360 yeah what is the aft's um position on uh some foreign policy issues like in the co the current conflict
00:28:51.040 but you know what's happening in the middle east israel and hamas where does the aft stand on that uh on
00:28:57.760 that actually um my party really hasn't come up with a with a position on that yet and uh thing is simply
00:29:08.080 this i don't know what's going on there i really don't i mean you get propaganda from this side you
00:29:15.120 get propaganda from the other side i don't know what the hell is going on there i really don't um
00:29:22.000 the thing is though i mean like i said i really have an issue with islam because i believe it to be 1.00
00:29:28.320 yeah a terrible ideology um who is which is actually capable of of bringing out the worst in people
00:29:40.400 so um on the other hand it's like israel is a highly sophisticated they have a high
00:29:46.960 this probably the country in the world with the most sophisticated surveillance um apparatus
00:29:52.880 um and they're telling us they didn't know that hamas was about to hit them um so that's uh like i said
00:30:04.480 i don't know but uh hamas just you know running wild and and kidnapping people murdering them beheading
00:30:13.520 them in front of their family taking babies and you know all of this i mean that that's an atrocity
00:30:20.880 an absolute atrocity and yes israel has every right to protect its people like i said my party stands 0.62
00:30:30.480 for border control and protecting the citizens so absolutely israel has absolutely the right to do that
00:30:38.720 um but like i said i don't really know what's going on down there um and it is it's sad to say
00:30:48.000 but you don't really know what's going on anymore in the world because it could be true it couldn't
00:30:53.360 be true whatever you were told propaganda here propaganda there you know so our party really
00:31:01.200 hasn't arrived at a at a unanimous opinion on that other than saying that yes israel absolutely has
00:31:13.600 the right to defend itself um but there's another issue that um that was brought about now all of a
00:31:22.880 sudden get this now all of a sudden our politicians the mainstream politicians realize that we have
00:31:31.760 imported anti-semitism seriously what we imported anti-semitism you're kidding how could that have been
00:31:42.320 no that's not possible so that's another issue we have been saying for 10 years
00:31:47.920 if you import just about anyone of the islam faith yeah you import anti-semitism guess what 1.00
00:32:01.520 it's true turn out to be true yeah i want to point to your intervention in the european parliament
00:32:08.240 from a few years ago i believe and you did uh talk about raise and the your concerns about
00:32:14.080 anti-semitism from um certain muslim quarters in germany and um you know i did come across that
00:32:21.680 uh a few months ago so i'd like to point that to our no not just in germany by the way these uh
00:32:28.880 in support of of hamas these demonstration protests you know jew jewish flags being burned uh and all of
00:32:38.320 that i mean that was massive that was really massive i see you know women running around and tearing down 1.00
00:32:46.720 the the the missing uh leaflets from their left ones you know and they're just gonna tear it down i
00:32:53.040 mean that's terrible and yeah that has been been known these past few weeks hasn't it yes we have a
00:33:01.840 problem with anti-semitism once again yeah no i i i certainly see that even even here in canada
00:33:09.920 um i just want to um ask you um at some point given just how popular the afd is uh is getting in
00:33:18.080 germany uh do you see it uh governing uh any of the provinces in germany or or the federal level
00:33:24.960 oh yeah eventually i mean yeah i mean every party eventually wants to be part of government right
00:33:34.000 um the time frame on that i have no idea i mean they insist on uh having holding up that that so
00:33:42.240 called firewall so um and that's actually been going on for four years now uh whenever um afd comes up
00:33:50.160 in whatever parliament comes up with an initiative a legislation or whatever it never gets voted for
00:33:56.080 no matter how sensible it is um it never gets voted for just to then like a few months down the road
00:34:05.200 another party comes up with the exact same idea and all of a sudden you know yeah so um we are kind of
00:34:13.920 um we are determining policy already just not directly rather indirectly um by other parties just
00:34:24.080 picking up our good ideas and passing them off as their own but um yeah that's that's just the way it
00:34:31.280 works right now but eventually um there isn't going to be a way around um to us anymore because um they
00:34:38.800 cannot continue upholding that firewall so they won't work together with us you know like i said
00:34:44.480 no matter how sensible our suggestions may be um but the voter is recognizing that the citizens are
00:34:51.680 realizing what's going on and um there is going to be a time a point in time when um yeah the christian
00:34:59.600 democrats or the liberal party may actually need us to be able to form a government because what's
00:35:06.160 happening now is um the only government that is possible is you know in any combination of the
00:35:13.920 established parties so the christian democrats like i said the former conservative party in this country
00:35:22.320 they form a government with the greens for god's sakes you know and before the election so they say
00:35:30.400 like they will not exclude working together with any of the established parties the only ones they
00:35:38.000 completely ignore and exclude is the afd but the voter will punish them for that sooner or later 0.97
00:35:47.040 i want to go back to what you said earlier and this will be my final question for you uh because i
00:35:52.240 know you're a very busy person uh you you spoke about the truckers protest um and i've seen your
00:35:59.200 comments on uh the truckers protest from last year um what is it about the that protest that uh that
00:36:07.600 resonated with you um and how uh did the average german view the truckers protest in canada okay um so in
00:36:19.440 germany the protest started i would say in august of 20 um there were like uh some pretty big huge
00:36:28.080 protests in berlin and uh the way uh the authorities dealt with that was was rather rather
00:36:36.320 flubbergasting water cannons and you know fence them in and you know the whole shebang it was
00:36:42.080 pretty much you know bashing down on that on that protest so and um it was just you know everywhere
00:36:50.640 in the world there were people that did not you know want to live under yeah let's call it a
00:36:56.240 totalitarian rule because that's the way we were headed um but they were all alone right so and um
00:37:05.440 once i heard that uh in canada there were truckers that you know were just fed up and got on their
00:37:13.280 rig and started rolling towards ottawa and you know how it grew by day and it was like oh my god
00:37:22.320 finally someone is doing something right and that was pretty much that was my cue you know uh to i
00:37:32.000 i need to support this i need to speak out for these people because they're doing the right thing
00:37:36.800 because i i will never tire to say what they what they did for all of the people around the globe
00:37:44.480 i mean it's it's it's unparalleled you know and they will i've said that before i'll say it again
00:37:51.600 they will go down in history as probably the most important protest movement ever ever
00:38:02.320 so that was just like uh yeah finally someone is doing something and uh it started pretty much in
00:38:09.680 the beginning it was okay you know they got a lot of support from the people and uh but then
00:38:15.680 the canadian government really started bashing down on them right it was like and i really need to
00:38:21.440 support them so they will have at least someone you know to uh yeah kind of let them know you are doing
00:38:28.480 the right thing and i'm with you on this yeah i'm gonna squeeze in one question we have to kind of end
00:38:35.040 perhaps on a humorous note here but you're being called a nazi and every name in the book but mostly
00:38:41.600 nazi uh but then in canada a few weeks ago or last month there was a literal nazi in parliament uh who
00:38:48.720 got a standing ovation uh what did you what what are you thinking at this point you're like you know i
00:38:54.480 come to canada and everybody's calling me a nazi but here you have a nazi um who's being applauded and
00:39:01.200 phrased um and so i i'm i'm actually still laughing i'm still laughing no when when i when i heard
00:39:10.080 about that i was like oh my god and i was i was just really i was beside myself i was laughing so
00:39:17.120 hard and i remember i read on twitter and someone asked or someone commented uh i'm dying to hear what
00:39:24.160 christine anderson has to say about that and i just responded can't comment i'm still on the floor
00:39:30.640 rolling and laughing out loud but i mean hilarious isn't it though seriously um i mean here you have
00:39:38.240 three uh three members of parliament um that meet you know with another member of another parliament
00:39:45.520 uh from overseas which is not unusual i mean you know you meet up with fellow parliamentarians
00:39:52.400 in other countries of course you do and um i'm being labeled a nazi and the three that you know
00:40:00.640 had lunch with me were all nazis too now uh i got mentioned in canadian parliament you know being
00:40:07.680 violent racist and you know what have you not and i mean you know the biggest nightmare in all of canada 0.59
00:40:15.120 and whatever and here he is a real life nazi being applauded and hailed and recognized i was like 0.99
00:40:27.600 seriously you guys are so ridiculous it's utterly ridiculous and i i had a ball with this really i i 0.99
00:40:36.400 could not stop laughing for a very long time well um yeah canada is a barrel of laughs these days um 0.99
00:40:45.680 so certainly um you know we're like the butt of everybody's jokes and uh unfortunately but no not in
00:40:52.560 not in a good way but at least we're uh we're we're um we're source of humor in these troubling times i
00:40:59.760 think yeah if if i had no humor oh my god i could not do this job to tell you yeah yeah yeah but uh
00:41:09.760 if you elect a guy like justin trudeau to be your prime minister you shouldn't be surprised to be the
00:41:15.120 laughing stock of the world seriously unfortunately yes but uh christine it's been a real pleasure
00:41:22.720 speaking to you thank you for setting the record straight uh regarding your own views and the views
00:41:28.480 of the afd to some extent and uh i think this was an important conversation and i hope to continue
00:41:35.280 it at some point in the future as uh the afd uh perhaps becomes more mainstream uh or whatever
00:41:42.880 happens down the line yes i will do that and i can promise you that i will continue to fight
00:41:49.840 no matter what okay perfect well thank you so much christine thank you so much