Juno News - The Tariff War Begins

00:00:00.000 Well, the good news is, is it's not minus 30 something outside.

00:00:05.820 Yeah, no, I'm enjoying the great weather in Ontario.

00:00:09.000 We've been getting some positive six.

00:00:11.280 How are you guys in Alberta still doing?

00:00:13.660 Are you guys still getting the negative 40 type of temperatures out there?

00:00:19.360 Oh, it's funny.

00:00:20.060 It's funny, Noah.

00:00:20.780 It was like zero degrees yesterday and it just felt so warm, like unbearably warm.

00:00:24.480 And I was like, man, it's really short weather.

00:00:26.080 Unbearably warm.

00:00:26.740 And then I was like, man, I bet you these, these people from not Edmonton are probably

00:00:31.980 like, this guy's crazy trying to wear shorts and zero degrees, but I was ready to go to

00:00:35.080 the beach pretty much.

00:00:36.180 Yeah, I was up there for the, I was up there for the, I can confirm, he's totally telling

00:00:41.100 the truth, Noah.

00:00:41.640 I was up in Edmonton for the budget, the Alberta budget, income tax, good deficit, bad.

00:00:47.240 That's my quick take.

00:00:48.320 But it was so warm.

00:00:49.500 Like I literally saw dudes in shorts and like flip flops and it was like plus six.

00:00:54.280 So definitely a very Canadian moment.

00:00:57.220 I'm glad I think spring is eventually coming though, but I'll take it.

00:01:00.020 All right, guys, let's get this thing started.

00:01:05.260 All right.

00:01:05.860 So lots to do on the show here.

00:01:07.700 Welcome to Off the Record on True North.

00:01:09.960 I'm Chris Sims.

00:01:10.760 I'm the Alberta director for the Canadian Taxpayers Federation.

00:01:13.860 I'm joined by two of my dear friends, Noah and Isaac.

00:01:16.940 Guys, we've got so much to talk about here.

00:01:19.520 Let's not ignore the big American elephant in the room. 0.83

00:01:23.880 And that's of course, what's happening with tariffs that are going on right now.

00:01:28.320 Do you mind if I nerd out for a second and just explain tariffs?

00:01:32.720 Okay.

00:01:33.140 Go ahead.

00:01:33.980 Please forgive me.

00:01:34.940 I hang out way too much with Franco Terrazano.

00:01:36.940 Okay.

00:01:37.420 So what's happening is the United States have imposed tariffs on Canadian goods.

00:01:42.860 So stuff we send across the border to arrive on American store shelves from Canada will cost Americans more money.

00:01:53.460 Okay.

00:01:53.940 That is oversimplifying.

00:01:55.240 I know that there is especially auto parts and stuff that go back and forth and it gets really crazy.

00:01:59.160 But let's just say for argument's sake that it's apples coming from the Okanagan into Washington state.

00:02:06.160 Those would, if they were in season, those would have a Canadian tariff on them now on the shelf in American stores.

00:02:12.500 Unfortunately, what we're now doing here in Canada is retaliatory tariffs.

00:02:19.280 So this means that American stuff coming across the border that is on our shelves in Canada is going to cost Canadians more.

00:02:28.900 So we have the data to back this up.

00:02:31.280 I know, I understand the emotion.

00:02:33.580 Okay. 0.98

00:02:34.060 Somebody gets up in your grill, pushes you, punches you in the face. 0.99

00:02:37.240 You want to punch them back.

00:02:38.900 But in this case, with retaliatory tariffs as Canadians, this is like someone who's bigger and stronger than you challenging you to the fight.

00:02:48.180 And you say, wait a minute, wait a minute. 0.95

00:02:50.100 And you tie your own shoelaces together and then punch yourself in the face first. 0.89

00:02:54.500 That's what we're doing, unfortunately, with these retaliatory tariffs. 0.96

00:02:58.640 Guys, go ahead.

00:02:59.620 Take it away.

00:03:00.120 Am I off base here?

00:03:01.140 Am I overreacting?

00:03:02.800 No, not at all.

00:03:03.860 I mean, tariffs at the end of the day is a policy that is going to increase inflation.

00:03:08.640 It's going to lower your productivity.

00:03:10.700 And overall, it's going to lower your GDP.

00:03:12.780 And that is going to happen in Canada and the United States.

00:03:16.180 You know, the tariffs aren't going to have necessarily an extraordinary effect on the American economy.

00:03:22.260 But they're also imposing tariffs on China and they're imposing tariffs on Mexico and they're imposing tariffs on the EU.

00:03:29.000 So that cumulative effect is going to have a quite substantial effect on the American economy.

00:03:34.740 But here in Canada, we have to ensure that we do everything we can in our power to ensure that our productivity is not negatively affected.

00:03:44.880 Our inflation doesn't rise and our GDP, you know, has been going down on a per capita basis lately.

00:03:50.820 But, you know, make sure it doesn't decline even further.

00:03:54.380 And imposing counter tariffs are going to exacerbate that effect.

00:03:58.140 And the United States seems to have imposed a policy whereby if you impose tariffs on them, they automatically increase tariffs.

00:04:06.120 So that could increase the already 25 percent tariffs that the United States has imposed on us and, you know, 10 percent on energy products.

00:04:14.820 And so when these tariffs are just mounting and mounting, how are Canadian workers going to be able to feel secure that they're going to have a job in the next week, the next month, the next year?

00:04:25.860 How are Canadians going to be able to go to the grocery store and be able to, you know, buy some oranges from Florida or be able to buy some wheat products that was potentially, you know, taking some wheat from Canada and some oats from the States?

00:04:40.920 It really does not help anyone on either side of the border, especially Canadians.

00:04:46.020 And that's who the Canadian government really should be looking out for.

00:04:48.960 And if they want to help Canadians, they should instead find ways to boost productivity and boost our capacity to withstand these tariffs by making our economy more competitive and not actually less competitive.

00:05:02.400 Isaac, I know we were looking at some stats together before we hit record on the show.

00:05:07.720 What's your thoughts on this when you're looking at some of these charts?

00:05:10.620 Yeah, this doesn't make any sense to me.

00:05:14.220 Obviously, with that one study, Chris, we saw that the tariffs from the United States would increase our inflation by about 1.5 percent.

00:05:21.880 But then with our counter tariffs, it would double to 3 percent.

00:05:25.040 So as your analogy alluded to, why are you self-inflicting harm upon your citizens to retaliate to the United States?

00:05:32.880 It makes no sense whatsoever.

00:05:33.960 And I mean, there's so many questions that come to mind.

00:05:36.980 Firstly, we've obviously focused on the Canadian response to these tariffs.

00:05:41.220 I'm curious because obviously Trump is trying to alleviate the issues he feels are so problematic, that being the border and the fentanyl and the drug crisis over the borders.

00:05:54.680 But I'm wondering, Chris, do you have any insights onto how Americans are reacting to these tariffs?

00:06:00.040 Because as you said, this is going to increase the cost for Americans.

00:06:03.180 So is Trump losing support in the states because of these tariffs or what's the deal there?

00:06:11.240 That's a great question.

00:06:12.520 So just taking off my Taxpayers Federation hat off for a minute, I've been in the game for a bit and I've talked to people from all walks of life, including people who are really mad.

00:06:23.860 And I've had to de-escalate them and get them talking about their feelings and especially as a talk radio host.

00:06:30.040 I don't think the Canadians went about this the right way for the most part, trying to have an air war in the media where you're getting into kind of war of words and insulting each other and stuff and trying to, you know, Trump, you know, pardon the term, Trump up kind of Canadian patriotism.

00:06:48.140 But on the surface level of like, we're going to take American booze off the shelf that we've already paid for, which doesn't really make sense.

00:06:56.040 We're going to boo the American anthem, which at the time makes you feel viscerally good if that's the type of person you are, but doesn't look great on American TV.

00:07:05.000 My assessment of this is that the smarter way to go about this, and this is exactly to your point, Isaac, is similar to the way that Premier Smith was trying.

00:07:15.600 So get down there, put a smile on your face, here to help, want to make a deal and really appeal to the governors of states where this is going to hit them the most and show them with like math and graphs of,

00:07:32.060 hey, your gasoline is going to cost you like 25 cents more per gallon, like today, because you're not getting it at the same discount from Alberta that you used to be because you're hitting it with a 10% tariff.

00:07:46.960 Thank goodness it's not 25%.

00:07:49.260 And to that point, I think that's why the Premier was able to get just the 10% tariff punishment from Trump instead of 25% because she was down there doing the diplomacy thing, but politics gets in the way, right?

00:08:05.340 So you see what's happening in Ottawa, and if you're just a cold, hard calculator, and you're looking at political expediency, what's easier?

00:08:15.620 Getting down there and actually doing the, I'm going to, how do I put this nicely, grin and bear it and get through some of these difficult conversations with somebody who wants to dominate my country

00:08:27.060 and work out a deal or just bloviate from Toronto or Ottawa about how bad things are, and then your, your politics will get a rise in the polls.

00:08:39.060 So that's what we're seeing. Yeah.

00:08:41.280 Yeah, you bring up a great point that a lot of the politics of Canada right now are being dictated by emotion.

00:08:48.680 You know, it feels really good to, you know, hit the Americans back with tariffs when they impose tariffs against you.

00:08:54.980 It feels really good to, you know, espouse, you know, like venomous rhetoric against Donald Trump because, you know, he is legitimately attacking our economy.

00:09:04.940 And Canadians should, you know, feel some level of, you know, anger about it.

00:09:08.720 But, you know, the reasonable thing to do is to outline what your goals are and to achieve those through reasonable policies.

00:09:15.780 If your goals are to mitigate the effect that this has for Canadians, then you should be deregulating your economy.

00:09:22.360 You should be cutting taxes.

00:09:23.980 You should be trying to make your economy as appealing for investors from, say, Europe, from Asia, from the United States, inside Canada.

00:09:34.680 Make those investors want to invest in Canadian businesses and in, you know, Canadian entrepreneurs

00:09:40.520 so that you can actually grow out your economy and make Canada, you know, great again.

00:09:46.700 Well, you know, tariff, well, well, the Americans shoot themselves in the foot and, you know, American tech entrepreneurs

00:09:52.480 and American manufacturers look across the pond and say, you know, wow, the Canadians have it great over there.

00:09:59.060 But instead, they're looking across the pond and saying, hey, you know, the tariffs aren't going to be great for us.

00:10:03.820 But, you know, they're languishing in an overly regulated environment and, you know, they're being taxed to high hell.

00:10:13.540 So, you know, I think that we need to set our goals and, you know, and move clearly toward them

00:10:19.800 if we're going to, you know, actually get through these next three and a half years.

00:10:24.240 Isaac, I'll let you jump in after a second.

00:10:25.900 But I wanted to actually hear from Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, he's still Prime Minister,

00:10:30.860 on what his actual response to the tariff imposition is.

00:10:34.080 We have a clip of him.

00:10:35.440 Here's what he said.

00:10:36.140 To my fellow Canadians, I won't sugarcoat it.

00:10:41.080 This is going to be tough, even though we're all going to pull together because that's what we do.

00:10:47.600 We will use every tool at our disposal so Canadian workers and businesses can weather this storm.

00:10:55.520 From expanding EI benefits and making them more flexible to providing direct supports to businesses,

00:11:01.980 we will be there as needed to help.

00:11:06.560 But Canada, make no mistake.

00:11:09.200 No matter how long this lasts, no matter what the cost,

00:11:12.820 the federal government and other orders of government will be there for you.

00:11:17.600 We will defend Canadian jobs.

00:11:21.180 We will take measures to prevent predatory behaviour that threatens Canadian companies

00:11:26.680 because of the impacts of this trade war, leaving them open to takeovers.

00:11:32.540 We will relentlessly fight to protect our economy.

00:11:37.020 We will stand up for Canadians every single second of every single day

00:11:43.240 because this country is worth fighting for.

00:11:47.600 Okay, so once again, that was Prime Minister Justin Trudeau responding, I would say,

00:11:52.960 pretty emotionally to what was happening with President Donald Trump imposing tariffs on Canadians.

00:11:59.060 And again, I get it.

00:12:00.760 There is going to be folks on this side of the border who are losing their jobs because of this nonsense. 0.98

00:12:04.720 So this part of my language sucks and it shouldn't be happening.

00:12:09.440 But the smart thing to do is to kind of take a moment, step back and figure out how to fix it as best we can on this side of the border. 0.57

00:12:17.480 I'll give you an example.

00:12:18.280 Like when, back when he first won and he was tweeting out, Canada's not a real country, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:12:25.200 And then he said something a bit more than that.

00:12:27.600 Like my temper spiked.

00:12:29.480 I'm like, hey, buddy, like you get back on that side of your fence, man.

00:12:32.680 Like you're annoying me here.

00:12:34.240 But that's not a smart mentality to take into a trade negotiation.

00:12:39.240 So what we should do, I'll throw this to you, Isaac, is, okay, this is the situation we're in.

00:12:46.100 Let's say on the surface that they do care about the border and that this is about fentanyl.

00:12:52.120 Okay, let's do everything we possibly can to take that issue off the table so it's no longer the issue.

00:12:57.260 But what if the American economy and the way that they're handling their finances now does depend on long-term tariffs of other countries?

00:13:07.440 That's a longer-term problem.

00:13:09.120 So let's be smart and exactly what Noah was getting at there.

00:13:12.700 What I didn't hear, Isaac, from the prime minister the other day is we're going to drop all of our carbon taxes.

00:13:19.200 We're going to stop our capital gains tax hike right now.

00:13:22.120 We're going to, in fact, drop it lower.

00:13:23.380 We're going to build a west-to-east pipeline like right now.

00:13:27.040 We're going to have LNG terminals on both coasts.

00:13:30.040 Like let's really train up for this.

00:13:32.040 Like have you heard any of those concrete things happening?

00:13:36.940 All right, Chris, so many things I want to cover that have been discussed.

00:13:41.080 But just starting with what Noah said about it feeling good, I just wanted to say quickly that it would only feel good if you're ruled by emotion,

00:13:49.740 not logic, facts, and data, as we've discussed, because how could it feel good to essentially be doing more harm than good to yourself through these tariffs?

00:13:57.800 And we've seen, for example, the anthem booing quickly.

00:14:00.400 We've seen Canadians booing children singing the American anthem.

00:14:04.720 I mean, it's sick.

00:14:05.700 Who could feel good about that?

00:14:07.140 This is sickening stuff.

00:14:08.180 In no way are these people singing the anthem to blame for the tariffs or American people as a general populace either, right?

00:14:16.920 So I really hated seeing that stuff at sports games. 0.99

00:14:20.020 And let's move into Trudeau's response now, calling President Trump Donald by his first name and then dumb, not calling Trump dumb, but his tactics dumb. 0.98

00:14:32.000 I mean, this is not how you negotiate against the most powerful leader in the world, certainly not. 0.98

00:14:38.180 As you said, you have to find a deal.

00:14:40.540 And bringing it back to emotion, we might think that based on Trudeau's response, he is being ruled by emotion, as so many politicians have been throughout this process.

00:14:50.960 But you've discussed some of the things that should be being tabled, that being pro-energy policies and things that will appease Trump.

00:14:59.600 We've seen Pierre Polyèvre, the conservative leader, suggest that he might implement some of those things.

00:15:04.580 What have you guys thought of his response to the tariffs?

00:15:07.280 My estimation, and I watched his speech, but I haven't read his background or on it yet, looks like Polyèvre wants retaliatory tariffs, but not across the board.

00:15:17.840 He said it was for items that we can easily make ourselves and or that we don't need.

00:15:24.040 So, for example, I'm just guessing, maybe that means that he wouldn't put a tariff on, say, peanut butter imports, because we don't generally produce peanut butter on this side of the border.

00:15:35.540 That's largely a Southern thing in the Southern states, the United States.

00:15:38.920 Hard to say, because he's in a tough position right now where he's trying to show patriotism, where it is like, yeah, you get punched, you want to punch back, but you also have to be smart.

00:15:48.940 So don't tie your own shoelaces together and don't punch yourselves in the face.

00:15:52.720 I think he is smart to focus more on making ourselves as lean and mean as competitive as we possibly can.

00:15:59.660 So this is like where, you know, a marathon's coming, you know, you have to run it in six months.

00:16:05.600 So what do you do?

00:16:06.980 Do you eat potato chips and chain smoke for the next five and a half months?

00:16:10.100 Or do you actually start working on your diet and working on your cardiovascular system?

00:16:14.460 That's what we should have been doing.

00:16:16.560 And we should do it like no better time than today.

00:16:19.800 We should do it right now.

00:16:21.160 And so my concern here is that we're going to have all of this pain inflicted both by the United States tariffs and our own tariffs.

00:16:30.360 And we're not going to have the actual solutions that would help Canadians in this situation, which would be dropping all of our carbon taxes and building pipelines.

00:16:40.040 Noah, go ahead.

00:16:40.640 Yeah, I really think it's important that Pierre Poliev proposes a plan that Canadians feel is an appropriate response to the United States' imposition of tariffs while also, you know, making sure that is reasonable policy.

00:16:57.840 And I think, you know, in the lead up to January and the inauguration of Donald Trump, Pierre Poliev has done a good job building out a message that has responded to the concerns of everyday Canadians.

00:17:10.100 And building out policy responses that, you know, are, you know, not to be partisan because I'm not trying to be, but are quite reasonable.

00:17:17.980 You know, axing the carpet tax when people are suffering from inflation is a common sense, you know, reasonable policy.

00:17:26.440 You know, trying to increase or make it easier for developers to build housing and, you know, getting rid of development charges is, you know, reasonable policy.

00:17:36.080 But when it comes to these tariffs, Canadians seem to want, you know, to punch back.

00:17:43.140 They want to impose tariffs.

00:17:44.560 So he has to find a balance between, you know, imposing tariffs on things that are, say, inelastic goods as, you know, economic jargon goes.

00:17:53.320 He has to probably try and impose tariffs on things that, you know, can easily be substituted by goods from Canadians or from across the pond in Asia or in Europe.

00:18:05.300 Perhaps a lot of services that American companies provide that can be provided, say, you know, online could be contracted from, you know, companies in Canada or from countries abroad.

00:18:18.080 So there are a lot of ways you can sort of impose sort of some, you know, pain in their in your own way on the Americans to help the American people come to the conclusion that these tariffs are bad and to pressure the president to reverse course.

00:18:33.700 That is part of the negotiation.

00:18:35.780 And I think that Pierre Polyev has to toe that line.

00:18:38.740 I think he's been doing an OK job, but he ought not stray into into into dogmatism and into demagoguery with these tariffs like Mark Carney and Justin Trudeau and especially Jagmeet Singh has engaged in.

00:18:56.900 I just wanted to touch on two things there before we move on, Isaac, to to Mark Carney, one, the inflation issue.

00:19:06.260 We're hearing some pretty alarming language coming out from the last I saw and I didn't hear his whole clip.

00:19:12.840 The last I saw was from newly reelected Premier of Ontario, Doug Ford, basically saying that we'll just hand out government money in response to this and Trudeau saying very similar things.

00:19:25.140 I'm having harsh flashbacks to the government lockdowns and what happened then, because even just take away all the social stuff and the fact that bank accounts are frozen and stuff.

00:19:36.340 But just financially, financially, that was a disaster because the government turned on the printing press for money just and then handed out, sprayed all of this inflationary cash everywhere.

00:19:48.940 And we had the worst inflation in 40 years.

00:19:54.640 So folks are wondering, holy cow, why is everything so bloody unaffordable and expensive?

00:20:00.140 Ding, ding, ding. 0.99

00:20:01.040 It's because of inflation, because of money printing and stupid government decisions and the carbon taxes. 0.98

00:20:07.480 And if we have two of the biggest political leaders in Canada in Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Ontario Premier Doug Ford, both going to just say, let's hand out government money, that would be a disaster. 0.98

00:20:21.680 It is much smarter to get in there as hard as we can and get a deal so that this punishment stops.

00:20:29.160 So don't do that.

00:20:30.100 Second, again, I know that I mentioned the carbon tax a lot, but this is so important, okay?

00:20:37.180 Look at it this way.

00:20:38.540 We have a massive industrial carbon tax in Canada.

00:20:41.920 It's already here, okay?

00:20:43.420 It's in provinces.

00:20:44.940 Mark Carney, who is probably going to be picked as our next prime minister this weekend.

00:20:50.560 Yes, he'll be prime minister, even if he's not a member of parliament.

00:20:54.020 It's part of our Westminster system, okay?

00:20:55.960 He loves carbon taxes.

00:20:59.540 He is just going to take the consumer tax, which us unwashed masses can see and get mad about, which bothers him, and he's going to hide it in a massive national industrial carbon tax.

00:21:12.460 What that means is two things.

00:21:14.280 One, you're still going to pay it. 0.98

00:21:16.680 You're still going to get screwed. 0.51

00:21:18.160 You just don't know by whom, okay? 0.82

00:21:20.460 So you won't be able to see the evidence or the receipts very easily.

00:21:22.900 Two, on this issue of President Trump.

00:21:27.180 Picture him.

00:21:28.560 Picture him in the Oval Office.

00:21:30.380 He's on the phone.

00:21:31.220 He's wheeling and dealing at his desk.

00:21:32.920 He's calling up fertilizer plants and fuel refineries and manufacturers and steel manufacturers from all over the world.

00:21:40.360 Hey, come back to the United States, make the Rust Belt, Chrome Belt again, set up in Pennsylvania, set up in Michigan.

00:21:46.700 And then he sees an announcement that Canada is imposing massive industrial carbon taxes on fertilizer plants, steel manufacturers, all of these industrialists.

00:21:58.760 Guess what's going to happen?

00:21:59.640 Like, Trump will phone the moving truck company himself to have them go down there.

00:22:06.000 So this is an example of why it is not smart for us to be strangling our own resource sector and hammering our own people with carbon taxes, especially while we have this threat to the South.

00:22:17.500 Isaac, talk me down.

00:22:19.060 Yeah, no, just again, Chris, like last time, so many things I want to cover.

00:22:24.180 Give her. 0.66

00:22:25.080 But yeah, no, just firstly, starting with what we were talking about with Ford and Trudeau and suggesting that they would print money.

00:22:32.380 I mean, this is insane to me that any Canadian would be in favor of printing money after we saw the colossal failure that the pandemic policies of printing money were,

00:22:42.060 not only for inflation, but for CERB, for example, and for the small business loans.

00:22:45.980 I mean, these were corrupt.

00:22:47.680 We've seen reports saying that X percentage, I don't have the data off the top of my mind,

00:22:52.640 but there are companies who weren't eligible getting paid millions, billions of dollars.

00:22:57.160 I mean, how can we possibly advocate for this knowing this?

00:23:00.840 And another thing I wanted to say, Chris, was so much talk of the tariffs, which, of course, tariff is synonymous with tax.

00:23:08.040 Why is the federal government then trying to act as if they're anti-tariff, but then on April 1st, they're going to be hiking the carbon tax,

00:23:19.580 which from every poll we've seen recently, Canadians are vehemently against the carbon tax.

00:23:25.940 So if you want to have an answer to counteract the tariffs, I mean, hiking or halting that 20% carbon tax,

00:23:32.840 that's a 20% savings right there, I mean, that's going to be better than implementing counter tariffs

00:23:38.840 that are actually hurting your own people, as we've seen through the inflationary data.

00:23:42.600 So this is, I mean, yeah, getting through all that, do we want to hop into the leadership race now?

00:23:48.420 Yeah, let's move to Carney, because I'll finish off with another carbon tax rant.

00:23:52.720 I just know it just happens.

00:23:53.720 I talk about it in my sleep.

00:23:54.880 I'm sorry.

00:23:55.640 But yeah, let's move on to Carney quickly here.

00:23:57.760 Last I saw, it looks like he's going to win.

00:24:02.400 It looks like Mark Carney, the former governor of the Bank of England, the former governor of the Bank of Canada,

00:24:07.720 is going to be chosen as the Liberal Party leader.

00:24:11.620 And I'm breaking it down like this, because folks who don't live in this terrarium that all of us do,

00:24:16.280 who are normal, that must be nice, don't follow all the minutia of this.

00:24:21.280 So when he is a selected leader of the Liberal Party, he will become the de facto Prime Minister of Canada,

00:24:28.840 even though he is not a member of Parliament.

00:24:31.640 So he's not representing like Yellowknife or downtown Toronto or wherever, okay?

00:24:36.200 And that is because the Prime Minister is a member of Cabinet, First Minister.

00:24:42.920 They're the first minister within the Cabinet to the Crown, King Charles III.

00:24:47.280 So actually, to be part of Cabinet in Canada, under our parliamentary system, our Westminster system,

00:24:54.280 because we are a constitutional monarchy, you don't have to be an MP.

00:24:58.700 You can be in Cabinet without being a member of Parliament.

00:25:02.200 It's rare, but it happens.

00:25:04.400 So this is how Mark Carney, for a period of time, we don't know for how long, will be Prime Minister.

00:25:09.940 At some point in the future, people are going to be expecting a federal election to happen,

00:25:15.580 and he may or may not be elected by people.

00:25:17.760 But as of right now, on Sunday, when they pick their leader, if he's chosen, he will become the Prime Minister,

00:25:25.340 which I think is important for us to focus on some of the stuff that he's been saying.

00:25:30.160 Now, once you guys are finished with him, I did want to point out just how much he desperately loves carbon taxes.

00:25:35.240 But I will get back to that.

00:25:37.320 Noah, did you want to take this one away?

00:25:38.740 You had a timeline that you had written out for Carney.

00:25:42.000 Yeah.

00:25:42.640 So Mark Carney basically claimed that he – okay, so there was a story that broke that Brookfield Asset Management

00:25:53.500 was moving its headquarters to New York.

00:25:56.100 And Mark Carney claimed that he had nothing to do with it.

00:25:58.800 He was completely fine with, you know, Canadians, you know, setting up a shop in Canada and keeping their business there.

00:26:06.720 So, you know, time passes, and it was revealed that Mark Carney, in his role as Chairman of the Board at Brookfield Asset Management,

00:26:16.640 had actually written a letter recommending that Brookfield Asset Management move its headquarters from Canada to New York.

00:26:25.780 So Mark Carney, when questioned on this issue, he basically said that, well, there's nothing that I could have done.

00:26:34.380 This was a decision that was already in motion.

00:26:37.540 Maybe I should have gotten better at politics, at, you know, concealing my true intentions.

00:26:43.480 Like, it was really weird stuff that – and really weird things to say, you know, admitting that he's not good enough at being a politician,

00:26:51.340 you know, just flatly saying, like, I'll get better at lying next time.

00:26:54.680 Don't you worry, guys, you know.

00:26:56.400 I'll hide this – I'll hide my next scandal better.

00:26:59.800 But, you know, really appealing to the members of the Liberal Party, you know.

00:27:04.320 How good is your Prime Minister at wiggling through scandals?

00:27:07.080 But it really seems as if Mark Carney has been trying to walk back a lot of the things that he has committed to in his private life,

00:27:15.500 like carbon taxes, like moving Canadian business to the United States,

00:27:20.480 because he believes that setting up shop in the United States is the best thing for business,

00:27:25.580 which, you know, quite frankly, is not exactly wrong per se.

00:27:31.160 But you're running to be the Prime Minister of Canada.

00:27:33.700 You have to, you know, set a standard for yourself, and you have to, you know, actually, like, invest in Canada

00:27:39.620 and, you know, commit to making Canada better.

00:27:42.840 But Carney really seems to be having to walk back on his commitment on carbon taxes too.

00:27:48.180 You know, carbon taxes were a big thing that Carney advocated for in his book Values

00:27:54.420 and, you know, just in his role as an ambassador in the United Nations at COP26.

00:28:00.860 And Carney, he has also had to walk back his claim that he has helped past Prime Ministers.

00:28:09.240 He had to walk back the claim that in 2008, he basically managed Canada's economic crisis and managed Canada's recovery.

00:28:19.180 And he said that he helped Paul Martin balance the budget.

00:28:22.560 Both claims were disputed by people who worked in both governments.

00:28:27.040 So Mark Carney is really having a hard time adapting to, you know, being truthful and honest in front of media and Canadians.

00:28:37.140 But the Liberals do seem poised to pick Mark Carney.

00:28:41.600 Isaac, if you could just elaborate, what seems to be likely to happen on March 9th when the Liberals pick a new leader?

00:28:50.740 Yeah, just before getting into that, I just wanted to give a quick shout out to True North's Cosmin Georgia,

00:28:56.300 because obviously he has started an investigative series on the book Values,

00:29:00.520 going into what Carney has said and what he's actually doing and what he says he believes now versus what he's said in the past.

00:29:06.780 But yeah, no, hopping into the leadership electoral race, which of course concludes on Sunday, as you said,

00:29:12.620 we've seen, we've covered this extensively at True North, specifically in the past when the party disqualified Chandra Aria and Ruby Dalla separately

00:29:23.760 for questionable reasons on the candidates' opinion.

00:29:32.340 But certainly we saw that happen when they were clearly picking up steam in the public's eye

00:29:37.440 and looked like they could actually be real contenders for Mark Carney.

00:29:41.020 Ruby Dalla perhaps came out with some of the strongest language against the party's decision,

00:29:46.080 saying that they were essentially just doing whatever they could in their power to coronate Mark Carney

00:29:50.760 and ensure that he became the leader.

00:29:53.460 But another interesting thing I wanted to cover was the Liberals initially released that they had 400,000,

00:30:00.300 approximately 400,000 people sign up to vote in this leadership election.

00:30:04.440 And then we've seen more recent numbers come up, more around the 100,000, 200,000 mark.

00:30:09.400 So people have been really critical of that because a percent or even less than a percent of Canada's population

00:30:16.000 will be determining who becomes the next prime minister.

00:30:19.480 I mean, it is really shocking when you look at it that way.

00:30:23.020 Like 100,000 people could be determining who becomes the prime minister.

00:30:26.500 This is nothing.

00:30:28.100 When in a general election, what would we expect?

00:30:30.140 20, 30 million?

00:30:31.220 I mean, it's kind of crazy when you think about it that way.

00:30:34.020 Yeah, the fact that like, you know, like 1% of the population, I think only like 2% of the Canadian population

00:30:39.760 is just registered for political parties in general.

00:30:42.560 So these parties have a lot of power and they actually have a lot more power in the sense that, you know,

00:30:49.060 only like less than 1% of Canadians are picking the prime minister in this liberal leadership race.

00:30:54.300 In the United States, when they have a primary, you know, they have like, you know, substantially more Americans show out.

00:31:02.880 And, you know, whoever wins the primary doesn't get immediately installed as president.

00:31:07.360 They still have to win a presidential election.

00:31:09.880 So not only are less Canadians having power to pick the liberal leader,

00:31:13.680 the liberal leader is going to become the prime minister.

00:31:15.380 So, you know, Canadians really, I think, are going to be concerned about, you know, the fact that,

00:31:23.120 hey, you know, I thought we're going to be thrown into election.

00:31:25.980 You know, this guy actually becomes prime minister and they're going to want to hold him accountable in election.

00:31:30.920 See, you know, what platform he's actually going to run on in a general when he's appealing to all Canadians.

00:31:36.820 They're going to want to litigate some of his past work as Bank of Canada governor, Bank of England governor,

00:31:44.200 you know, his time at Brookfield and on the boards of several, you know, nonprofits and other organizations.

00:31:51.780 They're going to want to get to know him because most Canadians still don't have a good impression of him.

00:31:56.900 And I suspect that that's true because a lot of Quebecers say they're going to vote for him in opinion polls,

00:32:01.320 but the guy doesn't know a lick of French.

00:32:03.060 So, you know, I think when, you know, a camp, a general election campaign actually gets under a way and,

00:32:10.220 you know, Canadians are tuning into the evening news, you know, almost every night to see what's happening in the election.

00:32:17.040 They're going to get a interesting impression of Carney and maybe some of that John Turner effect kicks in.

00:32:24.920 Just saying, I started on Parliament Hill in early 2001 before 9-11.

00:32:31.060 I knew Paul Martin's staff pretty well.

00:32:35.720 I knew Prime Minister Stephen Harper's staff pretty well.

00:32:38.560 I knew Jim Flaherty's staff well.

00:32:41.300 Mark Carney's name did not come up.

00:32:43.400 Like, I'm just flat out saying, and I would say the same thing if he were running for Conservative Party leader

00:32:48.940 and trying to claim that he was right there with Jim Flaherty, cheek to jowl.

00:32:53.420 And I must say, it takes quite a bit, I find, for Stephen Harper to put his oar in nowadays.

00:32:59.920 And he did.

00:33:00.780 He came out and he's like, okay, enough of this.

00:33:03.060 Like, no.

00:33:04.340 Like, yes, you were Governor of Bank of Canada.

00:33:06.580 Yes, you're clearly a pretty smart dude.

00:33:08.560 But don't just pass this off.

00:33:11.060 Now, maybe this was all happening in secret that we couldn't see.

00:33:15.300 It was like at the super-duper secret meeting that none of the staff were busy gabbing about.

00:33:21.420 Spoiler alert, staff gabbed about everything.

00:33:24.340 And this would have come up.

00:33:25.860 And it didn't.

00:33:27.620 So, just saying, there were a lot of people there at the time who were observing what was going on.

00:33:32.640 That wasn't a factor.

00:33:34.040 Just straight up.

00:33:34.580 Yeah, no, you're right.

00:33:35.620 It takes a lot for a proper comment nowadays.

00:33:38.200 The quote is, Carney is, in all caps, not the day-to-day management of Canada's economic economy during the global financial crisis.

00:33:47.860 And, you know, he basically says that he's actively taking away credit from Jim Flaherty, who's not around to defend himself.

00:33:53.960 He died in 2014, a few weeks after resigning as finance minister.

00:33:58.580 And, you know, he isn't around to say, hey, you know, I actually did a lot of the work in the financial crisis.

00:34:05.440 Thank you very much.

00:34:06.580 It was actually the government that set fiscal policy.

00:34:09.300 The Bank of Canada really just cut rates like most other central banks around the world.

00:34:15.440 So, you know, his job wasn't exactly all that complicated, if we're being honest.

00:34:21.200 It's especially important, just in interpersonal relationships, to be really careful when someone has passed.

00:34:29.240 So, for example, the late NDP leader Jack Layton was opposed to the carbon tax.

00:34:35.600 And I say that because I remember talking to him about it with my face directly.

00:34:40.440 And he also said so many times to other journalists, and it wound up in the Globe and Mail.

00:34:44.700 Now, would I say he'd be against it today?

00:34:47.780 No, that's not the right thing to do because he might have changed his mind.

00:34:51.940 So it's really you got to be careful, especially when you're dealing with someone who is no longer with us.

00:34:57.700 So that did certainly seem like a big misstep.

00:35:01.120 Now, when it where were we with carbon tax?

00:35:03.560 Oh, yes, I have to point this out really quickly, because like this book, I know I harp on this book all the time.

00:35:09.300 If I can beg and plead people, if you don't want to spend money on it, go find it at the library.

00:35:13.900 Don't make Cosman do all the reading.

00:35:17.120 Start a book club and read this thing, because even just the stuff that he has in here on the carbon tax is essential for us to understand,

00:35:27.160 because this person is going to be prime minister, at least for a period of time.

00:35:32.180 And so I just wanted to quickly read one chunk here to show how important carbon taxes are to him.

00:35:39.800 So carbon taxes are all through this book.

00:35:41.440 It's essential, but so much so that he sees individuals, you, me, all of us listening, as personal carbon emissions budgets.

00:35:53.540 Okay, like walking, talking carbon emissions budgets.

00:35:56.560 So I want to read from this book, page 233.

00:36:01.240 To limit temperature increases to 1.5 degrees Celsius, the average global citizen born today will have a personal carbon emissions budget over their lifetime equivalent to one-eighth of their grandparents.

00:36:17.000 Okay, that means all of us that are living today will have to reduce our use of things like oil and gas, our carbon emissions budget, to one-eighth of our grandparents.

00:36:34.180 That is insane.

00:36:34.980 It's all through this, it is all through this book.

00:36:38.520 So this is not like one of those things where you're like, oh, I used to really like lasagna, but I'm on a no-carb diet now and I've seen the light.

00:36:45.100 That's not the same thing.

00:36:46.500 This is like a keystone to his worldview.

00:36:48.960 And he also says repeatedly in here that over 80% of our oil and gas needs to be left in the ground.

00:36:56.840 And he sees things like power plants as stranded assets.

00:37:01.500 Folks, like, we have to really pay attention to what this guy is saying.

00:37:05.420 And I really hope that he answers this question, this key question.

00:37:08.940 Okay, you aren't going to scrap the carbon tax.

00:37:11.720 You say you're going to change it.

00:37:13.940 How much will it cost?

00:37:17.240 It's not zero.

00:37:18.280 So how much will it cost?

00:37:20.660 Also, to end on tariffs real quick, we all are worried about tariffs, which are trade taxes, and we've explained.

00:37:27.840 Carney wants to impose brand new, never before used, carbon tariffs on imports into Canada.

00:37:37.080 Yes.

00:37:37.660 So any country that does not have a national carbon tax, that upsets him.

00:37:42.500 And in order to punish that country, he wants to impose a carbon tariff on their stuff coming to us.

00:37:50.840 This is not something he just said in this book.

00:37:53.140 He said it with his face out loud at his announcement in Halifax, like a few weeks ago.

00:37:58.380 So, sorry, just buckle up, folks.

00:38:01.080 We're in for a hurricane here.

00:38:02.960 Isaac, where did you want to end this?

00:38:04.280 Do you guys want to end this on NP pay raises?

00:38:06.520 I think Noah has something to say.

00:38:08.020 Go ahead, Noah.

00:38:08.640 Yeah, I just want to add that he wrote a book called Values.

00:38:13.060 It's either that he wrote this book called Values and completely lied that these are values that are close to him.

00:38:19.600 Or, you know, he is just saying, you know, oh, you know, I'm going to get rid of the carbon tax, you know, to one audience.

00:38:26.660 And then to another audience, he's going to say, oh, no, I'm going to keep the carbon tax.

00:38:29.620 And when he gets into power, he's just, you know, going to govern by his values, as stated in the book.

00:38:36.300 So, you know, either option is not good.

00:38:39.440 It's either this man is a radical or he's dishonest.

00:38:42.620 And I don't think we want a dishonest prime minister or a radical prime minister.

00:38:47.300 Well, Noah, we have seen that he will cater his message based on the audience he's speaking to greatly,

00:38:54.820 considering he told French and English speaking Canadians completely opposite stories,

00:39:00.320 because when he was in Quebec speaking of Francphones, he said, oh, we'll never have a pipeline through Quebec.

00:39:04.580 I would never do that to you guys.

00:39:05.860 But then speaking to English Canadians, he said, I'll be the most well, I'll be pro energy.

00:39:11.020 I'll put pipelines everywhere.

00:39:12.320 Any province is up for grabs.

00:39:14.160 So how can you these are days apart, by the way.

00:39:17.120 How can you tell two different stories, completely opposite things, days apart?

00:39:20.620 It's just to appease the audience.

00:39:22.780 Just a quick pro tip for Mr. Carney.

00:39:26.240 Not all of us are perfectly bilingual, but most Canadians know jamais means never.

00:39:32.320 Like, we know enough about that, okay?

00:39:34.420 I've read enough cereal boxes.

00:39:36.220 I've followed Telefrancais with the singing pineapple.

00:39:38.420 Like, you know, at least most of us know jamais means never, which is the word he used when he talked about never putting a pipeline through Quebec.

00:39:48.060 So how about just we duck all over come off?

00:39:52.720 How about that?

00:39:53.380 That was a bit of a misstep.

00:39:56.020 It was interesting to see some of his colleagues on stage trying to help him and jump in there.

00:40:01.040 I don't think you meant to say that.

00:40:02.760 Just, you know, just saying.

00:40:04.220 All right.

00:40:04.500 Did we want to leave on a hilarious, because you either have to laugh or cry, so I'm choosing to laugh.

00:40:10.520 Note about the Member of Parliament pay raises.

00:40:13.780 Okay.

00:40:14.280 Let's do it.

00:40:14.940 So, folks, I apologize in advance.

00:40:16.960 This is going to make you want to barf.

00:40:18.440 So get your Pepto-Bismol ready.

00:40:20.660 On April 1st, not only are we getting a huge carbon tax hike, which will make it more expensive for you to buy gasoline, diesel, natural gas, and propane.

00:40:30.660 So basically it becomes a tax on everything because trucking and we live in a cold country.

00:40:34.880 So that's going up April 1st.

00:40:37.080 But there is a Member of Parliament pay raise that's happening too.

00:40:43.680 Yeah.

00:40:44.180 So on April 1st, your average backbencher, benchwarmer, Member of Parliament is getting about a $6,000 or $7,000 raise around there.

00:40:53.320 And the Prime Minister is getting around a $16,000 raise.

00:40:57.960 After this raise is done on April 1st, a backbench MP, I mean, with no committee responsibilities,

00:41:05.380 you're not a deputy whip leader, blah, blah, blah of your party, is going to make $211,000 per year with a huge expense account.

00:41:14.940 Keep in mind.

00:41:15.700 Okay.

00:41:15.980 So like their food is paid for and their energy and their travel.

00:41:18.680 The Prime Minister of Canada's salary is going to be $422,000 per year.

00:41:27.460 Yes, he lives in a mansion and all of his stuff is paid for.

00:41:30.240 I looked it up real quick.

00:41:31.480 He's making more, last I checked, than the Prime Minister of Great Britain and the Prime Minister of New Zealand.

00:41:39.000 Now, the Prime Minister of Australia, that is whack.

00:41:41.460 He is like being paid way too much.

00:41:43.620 But as far as the scale of Prime Ministers go, the Prime Minister of Canada is making coin.

00:41:49.740 And that is happening on April 1st.

00:41:52.440 Thoughts on this, gentlemen?

00:41:53.680 Noah, I notice you still have a hole in your ceiling.

00:41:55.560 Yeah, hopefully you can divert some of that Prime Ministerial salary to the roof.

00:42:02.980 Help Canadians.

00:42:04.080 We're looking out for Canadians.

00:42:05.200 How about this Canadian right now? 0.89

00:42:06.280 We're going to give a give, send, go for Noah's roof.

00:42:10.260 But no, as I said, he makes a big song of tats about, we're looking out for you.

00:42:17.140 We've got your back.

00:42:18.240 But he's really got his own back.

00:42:20.900 It's not like he doesn't lack for anything.

00:42:23.660 This guy has a lot of money.

00:42:25.760 So it's really hypocritical that he's giving his MPs himself a massive raise.

00:42:32.240 It's also interesting that not only is Justin Trudeau giving MPs a raise, Doug Ford is.

00:42:38.400 For about a decade, Ontario has had an MPP pay freeze.

00:42:44.660 So they've been getting, they've been stuck around about $120,000, if I'm correct.

00:42:49.760 I don't have the figure right in front of me, but it was around there.

00:42:52.360 Yep.

00:42:52.940 And Doug Ford says, hey, I want an election.

00:42:56.260 I can't campaign on increasing MP pay.

00:42:59.640 So let's wait till after election and then boom, we're going to increase MPP pay.

00:43:05.020 So it's a growing trend across the country.

00:43:07.900 I know that in British Columbia, David Eby has no gripes with MLA pay increases.

00:43:16.040 And, you know, while our politicians continue to align their politics and get more and more,

00:43:21.900 you know, equipment, more wealth, we continue to struggle.

00:43:25.440 It's interesting that the politicians are responsible for managing our economies,

00:43:29.820 but their pay is in no way tied to the health of our economy.

00:43:36.360 Exactly.

00:43:37.140 You know, like if you want, if you want this pay increase, let's see GDP growth at like 4% per capita.

00:43:44.700 You know, you want that pay increase?

00:43:46.540 You know, let's see the inflation at like 1%, you know, you don't deserve that.

00:43:51.680 You know, like if inflation goes up to above like 2.5%, like there's a pay should be docked.

00:43:57.960 Not, not, not, it should be docked 2.5%.

00:44:01.800 Not, not increasing.

00:44:03.300 Yeah.

00:44:03.340 They used to have balanced budget legislation in British Columbia where if a minister delivered a deficit in their department, they got a pay cut.

00:44:09.880 Yeah.

00:44:10.100 It was great.

00:44:10.440 That's how it should be.

00:44:11.720 That's how it should be.

00:44:12.720 But, you know, accountability, they're allergic to it.

00:44:16.140 You know, this is the real change they campaigned on, you know, lack of accountability.

00:44:20.540 I love it.

00:44:21.320 You know, let's move toward, you know, the side of Russia and, you know, and less account of transparency instead of more accountability. 0.60

00:44:29.180 That's, that's great.

00:44:31.100 Congratulations, Trudeau.

00:44:32.080 We almost got through an entire show without mentioning Russia, but good job. 1.00

00:44:37.000 Damn it. 0.98

00:44:38.360 Isaac, Isaac, I'll let you have your two cents here on there. 0.99

00:44:41.940 Chris, yeah.

00:44:42.900 Chris, I'm thinking you at the CTF maybe should start a petition to advocate for a performance-based pay for parliamentarians.

00:44:50.220 I mean, imagine how much we could improve our country if parliamentarians had to improve it to improve their pay scale. 0.96

00:44:57.440 We, you know, the, the similarities I'm drawing right now are, of course, to the CBC, who, despite their declining numbers, continue to give themselves raises.

00:45:06.400 And we've covered this extensively at True North.

00:45:08.920 It's like, oh, nobody's watching our shows.

00:45:11.540 Nobody's listening to our, our podcast.

00:45:13.640 Nobody's reading our articles.

00:45:16.000 You know what?

00:45:16.720 And 25% increase across the board.

00:45:18.360 Everyone gets paid more because, hey, it's taxpayer money.

00:45:20.700 We can just do whatever we want with it.

00:45:22.560 And, of course, parliamentarians might be doing the same thing. 0.80

00:45:26.360 Perfect.

00:45:26.760 Well, we do have a petition at taxpayer.com to stop the MP pay hikes.

00:45:31.500 And I will put a call out to every member of parliament.

00:45:34.940 There is a yawning chasm of opportunity right here that you can just step into.

00:45:41.240 The late, great Ralph Klein once said something to the effect of, 0.98

00:45:44.580 a really smart politician sees which way the parade is going and then jumps in front of that sucker. 0.91

00:45:50.120 And that's what a member of parliament should do really quick. 0.96

00:45:53.720 They should come out and say, I am fundamentally opposed to these pay increases.

00:45:58.120 I will not take these pay increases if they are forced and there's nothing I can do about it.

00:46:03.900 Dollar for dollar, nickel for nickel.

00:46:05.700 I will make sure every one of my members of parliament in my party donates this money to charity.

00:46:10.700 And then, once I get in, I'm going to scale back our pay by this much.

00:46:16.840 There is like, feel free.

00:46:18.500 What I just said, I don't care about the credit.

00:46:21.680 Steal it.

00:46:22.680 Put it on a bumper sticker.

00:46:24.220 Go for it.

00:46:24.940 This is a huge opportunity to show that you're putting your money where your mouth is when you say,

00:46:30.780 we're all in this together.

00:46:32.360 All Canadians are really going to feel it.

00:46:34.340 No, no, we're all in the same storm.

00:46:37.260 Some of y'all are in a taxpayer funded yacht and the rest of us are in a dinghy.

00:46:41.360 Some folks are unfortunately drowning.

00:46:43.820 Okay.

00:46:44.360 That's the situation we're actually in.

00:46:46.660 So do not be disgusting and take a taxpayer funded pay hike on April 1st.

00:46:52.480 And I am actually super mad about this because guess what?

00:46:56.180 Remember back during the lockdowns when people were losing their jobs, rampant depression,

00:47:02.140 people were getting their wages cut.

00:47:03.660 It was hell.

00:47:05.600 Those members of parliament never missed one pay increase.

00:47:10.740 Not one.

00:47:11.820 Not one time.

00:47:13.220 On April 1st, they say, you know what?

00:47:15.040 We're going to knock this off because this is pretty disgusting.

00:47:18.240 This is very much let them eat cake.

00:47:19.820 No, they don't seem to have that kind of situational awareness.

00:47:23.840 So just saying, it would be really good for a political leader to come out and lead this fight

00:47:28.900 and say, you know what?

00:47:30.540 Even just for the symbolism of this, I am stopping this MP pay increase.

00:47:35.540 So I'm going to leave with that fun note.

00:47:37.600 Folks, fight back. 0.71

00:47:39.120 Okay.

00:47:39.640 Head on over to the True North website.

00:47:41.540 Leave us a comment.

00:47:42.460 Send us an email.

00:47:43.280 And do yourself a favor.

00:47:45.800 Send an email to your member of parliament and your MPP, whatever your provincial representative

00:47:50.260 is.

00:47:51.000 Tell them that you're keeping an eye on what they're doing, what they're spending, and how

00:47:53.920 they're voting.

00:47:54.580 Okay?

00:47:55.120 That'll do two things.

00:47:56.280 One, it'll keep them on their toes for next time when they come to knock for your vote.

00:48:00.700 And two, it will give you a sense of agency and fellowship that you're not in this by yourself

00:48:05.680 and that you're able to say something.

00:48:07.560 Folks, I'll leave the last word to you.

00:48:09.120 Isaac and Noah, if you want to sign off here.

00:48:12.480 Well, I just got to say that, you know, holding your members of our parliament, as Chris said,

00:48:17.860 to account is very important.

00:48:20.520 You know, they sometimes have public events go out to there.

00:48:23.380 You know, sometimes they have town halls.

00:48:24.640 And if your member of parliament doesn't do these sorts of things, reach out to them and

00:48:28.300 say, why aren't you facing the music in public?

00:48:31.880 You know, it's really important that our member of parliament stay engaged in their communities

00:48:36.140 and they're reporting back the experiences of those communities to Ottawa and don't just

00:48:41.620 become auto-washed, as someone once told me.

00:48:44.440 That's a good term.

00:48:45.800 Isaac, I'll let you have the last word.

00:48:47.680 Yeah, I don't really have much more to add, Chris, especially because I'm just, I don't

00:48:52.340 want you to get more angry.

00:48:56.080 Oh, thank you.

00:48:57.140 All right, folks.

00:48:57.840 Thank you so much for watching.

00:48:59.020 And remember, until next time, everything we said here was off the record.

Juno News - March 07, 2025

The Tariff War Begins

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