Juno News - January 09, 2019


The True North Report: EVERYTHING wrong with Canada's court system when dealing with extremists

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A man is suing the Canadian government for $37 million for his alleged terrorist links to al-Qaeda. Another man is trying to get his case thrown out of court because he was part of a group fighting against the Canadian military.

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00:00:00.060 Hey guys, we're live. Candice Malcolm here with True North this Tuesday afternoon.
00:00:06.020 Thank you so much for joining. There are a couple of just super alarming, crazy stories
00:00:13.120 that have popped up in the last few days. And I just, I don't know, it just leaves me
00:00:18.960 scratching my head as to what's going on with the Canadian government, with Canadian courts.
00:00:24.240 How is it that we can possibly defend ourselves against global jihadism, against a global jihadist
00:00:32.560 insurgency, against Islamist terrorism that's pushing and pressing all over the world? 0.94
00:00:40.700 And in Canada, we just don't take it seriously whatsoever. In fact, our entire legal system
00:00:45.720 is built and designed to facilitate people who seek to take advantage of our freedoms and our
00:00:51.500 liberties who seek to undermine Canadian national security. It's just mind boggling. It truly
00:00:56.440 is. So I'm going to talk about two different news stories. One's a little old. It's from
00:01:03.140 like two months ago. The other one just came up in the news this week. And I'll tie it to
00:01:07.840 a third news story that had a recent update that I don't think got the kind of coverage
00:01:13.980 that it really deserved. So we're going to talk about terrorists taking advantage of the
00:01:20.060 Canadian legal system and how they manipulate our freedoms and our rights, essentially the 1.00
00:01:26.860 rights that Canadians are given. Foreign terrorists who are not Canadians who are not Canadian citizens 0.90
00:01:32.320 use the Canadian chart of rights to undermine our national security. I'm going to wait
00:01:38.100 just a minute to make sure that folks on Facebook are jumping on. I broadcast simultaneously on both
00:01:45.600 Twitter and Facebook. So thank you so much for tuning in and joining me this afternoon. There's
00:01:53.740 going to be a live. President Trump is coming to us live later this afternoon this evening to talk
00:02:02.040 about national security, border security, and his plan to build a wall. So that's coming up at 6pm
00:02:06.960 Pacific time. I am looking forward to that. I think that it's something that Trump should have done a
00:02:13.300 while ago. And it's always amusing to watch President Trump deliver live addresses. And I think talking
00:02:22.640 about national security and building that border wall is what a lot of us have been anticipating and
00:02:28.920 waiting for. I don't think that there's a really strong argument as to why we shouldn't have a wall.
00:02:34.540 It's one of those things that in the US Democrats used to be for before they were against and now
00:02:39.060 they simply just say walls are more immoral. And that's their argument. It's like, okay, well,
00:02:46.360 you know, why do we have walls around our homes? Why do we have fences around our homes? Why do we have
00:02:51.240 walls separating war zones? Why do we support walls, for instance, in Israel, but not in our own
00:02:59.080 backyard? I've advocated one of the solutions that we could do to get rid of the problems that
00:03:04.480 Roxham Road, the location in upstate New York and rural Quebec where 95% of all illegal border
00:03:11.520 crossings take place. You could solve that problem immediately by building a wall, build a wall.
00:03:17.340 I'm not saying build a wall across the entire 49th parallel, but build a wall where 95% of the
00:03:22.400 people cross. And you would solve the problem. You would solve the problem, at least for now. Sure,
00:03:28.420 maybe they would, the human smugglers and the human traffickers that facilitate all of the illegal
00:03:33.040 immigration would find another location to cross. And at which point you could address that. That's
00:03:38.920 sort of how we address and adapt in today's world that, you know, there's one problem, you address it,
00:03:45.500 the problem pops up somewhere else, you can go and address that there. Seems silly to me. And,
00:03:51.300 you know, I think that there's a wall is obviously symbolic for both sides, Republicans and the
00:03:56.220 Democrats, that, that having some kind of a barrier, having some kind of a fence, you know, parts of it
00:04:02.240 could be, you know, surveillance, electronic, parts of it should be a physical wall. It's like, you know,
00:04:08.840 those are all just the details. But the idea behind having a border is something that I think most folks
00:04:14.300 could easily get behind. So, all right, let's get to the, let's get to the story that I want to get to
00:04:20.680 today. Because I saw this come up over the weekend, I tweeted about it. And it's just one of those
00:04:26.880 things that's stranger than fiction. So the story I'm talking about, of course, is this one that I
00:04:32.080 posted over the weekend and tweeted about. After a 17-year-old deportation fight for alleged terrorism,
00:04:39.260 terrorism, this man is suing the Canadian government for $37 million. 37 million bucks.
00:04:47.360 So joining the trend of people who have had affiliations with Al-Qaeda, suing the Canadian
00:04:55.460 government. First, it was Omar Khadr, who was a convicted terrorist, a confessed murderer. He was
00:05:00.100 part of Al-Qaeda. He was part of the Taliban. He was fighting against Canadian and American troops
00:05:05.200 in Afghanistan when he was captured. He killed a U.S. medic who was trying to save his life.
00:05:11.500 He confessed to all of it. He spent some time in Guantanamo. And then he complained that the
00:05:17.280 Canadian government abused his rights. And because of that, Justin Trudeau wrote him a check for $10.5
00:05:23.060 million last summer. Well, we've got another trend of people who now want to do the same.
00:05:30.680 This story, though, it's just stunning in the details. So if that's not bad enough, you know,
00:05:37.180 the headline, this guy who has had long, long ties to Al-Qaeda and alleged ties, you know,
00:05:45.620 there's been an ongoing investigation. And, you know, the fact that he's now suing the Canadian
00:05:50.520 government because his rights were somehow appended. If that's not bad enough, you get to the actual
00:05:56.400 meat of the story. And it is just mind-boggling. It is shocking how incompetent, it shows how
00:06:03.060 incompetent the Canadian government is, Canadian court systems are when it comes to dealing with 0.91
00:06:08.060 the threat of jihad, of Islamist terrorism. So let me just read you a little bit about this guy's
00:06:14.460 background. So this guy's name is Mahmoud Jabala. And this is from a National Post article that came out
00:06:22.400 over the weekend. It says Jabala arrived in Canada with his family in May 1996 using false
00:06:29.100 Saudi Arabian passports. So just to start right off the bat, this guy lied. He came to Canada under
00:06:35.380 false pretenses. He pretended to be a Saudi citizen. He came with false documentations and he had a
00:06:43.700 fake passport. So the very first thing he did when he got to Canada was he lied. He lied. He got to
00:06:49.400 Canada using fraudulent means. And then when they got to Canada, they claimed refugee status. So this
00:06:56.500 is the program that Canada has where anyone from around the world can get onto Canadian soil, throw 0.99
00:07:01.480 their hands up in the air, say refugee, and then we facilitate them. We facilitate everything. We have
00:07:07.040 to take their claims seriously and treat them as if they're an actual refugee. Well, this case is a little 0.89
00:07:13.360 different. So the reason that this individual and his family claimed that they were, that they were
00:07:20.140 refugees, the reason that they claimed they could not go back to Egypt, they're Egyptian people.
00:07:24.040 They said that they were being persecuted by Egyptian authorities who accused the man of having links
00:07:31.560 to Al-Qaeda terrorists. Okay. You can't make this stuff up. They, the basis of the refugee claim,
00:07:40.300 according to this report, was that they couldn't go back to Egypt because the Egyptian government
00:07:45.940 would persecute them over the Egyptian government's belief that they were tied to Al-Qaeda.
00:07:53.220 Okay. When you think of people who are refugees coming from around the world who are worthy and
00:07:58.680 deserving of Canada's help and protection, do you think of people who they couldn't go to Egypt
00:08:04.420 because the Egyptian government accused them of being part of a terrorist organization, part of the
00:08:09.880 most renowned and destructive terrorist organization of that era? This is 1996. So just keep in mind,
00:08:18.220 five years later, 9-11 happened and it was the mastermind. All of it was Al-Qaeda. And so the 0.86
00:08:24.400 Egyptian government was cracking down on Al-Qaeda at this time in this era. And this family allegedly fled
00:08:31.440 to Egypt because they didn't want to be persecuted as part of that wave of the Egyptian government
00:08:38.380 cracking down on Al-Qaeda. So the Egyptian government had reason to believe that this
00:08:44.400 individual was part of Al-Qaeda. The family fled to Canada, so we can't go back to Egypt because the 0.61
00:08:49.260 Egyptian government says we're part of Al-Qaeda. And Canada let him stay. And Canada let him stay.
00:08:55.940 They didn't say, okay, we don't want you. You can't stay here. You got to Canada illegally. You used 1.00
00:09:01.340 illegal passport, a fake passport. And now you're saying that you, that you're a refugee based on
00:09:07.760 some alleged affiliation with Al-Qaeda. It's, it's absolutely crazy that this individual was allowed
00:09:12.780 to even stay in Canada. In my estimation, he, in my estimation, he should have been inadmissible
00:09:18.740 on the spot. So it's pretty unbelievable. And so reading on from this national, uh, post report,
00:09:27.420 it says that a statement of claim says the Canadian security intelligence service, which is known as
00:09:33.820 CSIS, immediately started investigating him, including surveillance, um, and taping his phone.
00:09:40.100 And so then, you know, he got to Canada. We let him stay. We said, okay, I guess you're a refugee. 1.00
00:09:47.700 And three years later, he was arrested under a security certificate in Canada. The CSIS,
00:09:56.540 the Canadian government, Canadian security agency accused him of being a security risk to Canada.
00:10:04.380 And so Canada uses these, uh, tool, what we used to, we had a tool called a security certificate.
00:10:11.000 So a security certificate is just an investigation into an individual who's not a Canadian citizen,
00:10:16.440 who is a, um, not either a permanent resident or an asylum seeker like this individual, not a Canadian
00:10:23.940 citizen. And it basically says that, you know, this person is inadmissible because we think that
00:10:29.820 they're linked to national security threats. Um, this tool was found unconstitutional by the Supreme
00:10:36.960 Court of Canada in 2007. So it limits our ability to actually protect ourselves. And this is part of
00:10:42.960 the big problem. So this guy has multiple security certificates against him. They keep getting
00:10:48.720 overthrown by the federal court in the middle of his court battle. Um, these, these security certificates
00:10:55.320 get found to be unconstitutional. That was in 2007. And then he basically just remained under house
00:11:02.080 arrest. The Canadian government kept thinking, um, of ways that they had him, that they had information
00:11:09.600 against him, that information would not hold up in court. And so basically it all ended in June, 2016,
00:11:16.880 when the federal court ruled the evidence against him was not solid enough and that the certificate was
00:11:21.360 unreasonable. And he was released. Um, he was no longer under house arrest and the government's appeal
00:11:29.360 was rejected. So my question is in June, 2016, why wasn't this guy deported? Sure. We couldn't actually
00:11:36.640 prosecute him for any terror related incidents. We didn't have, um, enough evidence that the Canadian
00:11:42.960 court required so much that the security officials investigating him couldn't fulfill that the court,
00:11:50.240 what the court was asking. But then the question was, why, why wouldn't we just deport him at that point?
00:11:54.080 He's not a Canadian citizen. He has no business being in Canada. And I don't understand why he 1.00
00:11:59.600 wasn't just deported at that point. Instead, he got together with some lawyers and the lawyers
00:12:05.680 basically said that his rights were serially violated by the government, not only because of the use of
00:12:11.040 certificate of the security certificate, but also due to repeated threats and attempts to deport him to
00:12:18.480 Egypt, where he would also face high risk of torture. And somehow that's all the Canadian government's fault.
00:12:26.640 I mean, this guy is from Egypt. He's an Egyptian person, not a Canadian. He's Egyptian. And somehow
00:12:36.560 the threat that he might be deported back to his home country was, uh, part of how Canada somehow abused
00:12:44.800 his rights. Like it's not Canada's fault that he's from Egypt. It's not Canada's fault that he's an 0.94
00:12:48.880 Egyptian person. And it's not Canada's fault that the Egyptian government would threaten him or that
00:12:55.760 he would be under some danger by his own government, um, because Canada threatened to deport him. I don't
00:13:00.960 know why Canada has become basically the outpost or the safe haven for the world's terrorists. Like they
00:13:08.640 can come to Canada and then they say, oh, you can't deport me back to my home country because my home country's
00:13:13.920 was cracking down on terrorists and I can't be cracked down on. So you have to protect me, Canada. Um,
00:13:21.520 now it was never proven in court that this guy was actually terrorist. Although there's plenty of reasons, uh,
00:13:27.760 to believe that he had ties with Al Qaeda, not just the fact that the Egyptian government, his own country
00:13:33.040 believe that, but also, um, he was allegedly connected to Ahmed Khadr, who's Omar Khadr's father. Um, they were
00:13:42.880 allegedly friends and there was a few meetings that the two had in-person meetings. And that's
00:13:48.000 something that has been confirmed by this Egyptian individual himself. So this is all part of the
00:13:53.760 problem in Canada that we prioritize the rights and freedoms of foreigners, of non-citizens, of people
00:14:02.720 who are allegedly tied to terrorism, people that could be a threat to our national security, threat to
00:14:08.480 our public safety. We put the rights of, of, of potential terrorists and actual terrorists in the
00:14:15.120 case of someone like Omar Khadr above the security and the safety of the entire country. So why is it
00:14:22.720 that someone who is a foreigner who lied to get to Canada gets all of the rights and protections of 0.97
00:14:28.240 the charter of rights and freedom? Why is it that the security certificate, which is a tool used by the
00:14:33.120 Canadian government to combat terrorism? Terrorism is a very real threat in our world. And it is, you
00:14:40.000 know, when you're dealing with people who are coming from war zones and hotbeds of Islamist terrorism 0.82
00:14:45.280 throughout the Middle East, it's a very real threat that some of the individuals coming from those 1.00
00:14:50.080 countries will have ties to terrorism. So we have a tool to protect Canadians against someone like that.
00:14:56.720 And of course, you know, legal activists and leftists who have taken over the Canadian court systems
00:15:03.120 insist that that's unconstitutional and that the charter rights of would-be terrorists, potential
00:15:09.520 terrorists outweigh public safety concerns. So, you know, there's just so much wrong with this story.
00:15:15.360 And again, it encapsulates everything that's wrong with Canada's approach to national security and
00:15:21.840 combatting jihadist terrorism. It's pretty outrageous. Let me know what you think about this story and
00:15:29.280 what the Canadian government should do at this point. So this guy is suing for a $34 million lawsuit plus
00:15:36.000 an additional $3.4 million in aggregated and punitive damages. And the lawsuit was filed in Toronto to an
00:15:43.600 Ontario Superior Court on November 28, 2018. And so, I mean, that's the bottom line is basically that,
00:15:53.680 I mean, what can we do about it? If the charter rights of people seeking asylum is cast in stone,
00:16:00.800 and that there's nothing that we can do to protect ourselves from the Mahmoud Jabalas of the world who 1.00
00:16:07.440 come to Canada saying that they're refugees and that they can't be sent back to the Middle East because the
00:16:12.560 Middle Eastern countries will persecute them for their ties to terrorism. Like, how are we ever supposed to 1.00
00:16:18.400 stop terrorists from coming into our country if their charter rights outweigh our ability to say no to
00:16:25.760 people who we don't want in our country? That's not the only example. There's a UN story that I treated today.
00:16:33.920 This is the headlines actually a couple of months old, but I didn't see it back then. And it's pretty
00:16:41.200 outrageous as well. Basically, a UN official was lecturing the Canadian government lecturing Canadians
00:16:50.560 saying that we have an obligation to take ISIS terrorists back into Canada. You really can't make
00:16:58.320 this stuff up. Let me just wait for this CBC story to load here. Oops. But basically, we're getting
00:17:10.160 lectures from United Nations about making sure that Canadian citizens who are members of ISIS
00:17:19.840 get brought back to Canada. So here it is right here.
00:17:22.480 This is in the CBC came out in October, end of October last year. Canada has a legal obligation to
00:17:32.080 repatriate citizens who left to fight for ISIS. You've got to be kidding me. I mean, this is just, 0.64
00:17:40.800 this is just kind of everything wrong with the way that the United Nations views the world. If an
00:17:46.240 individual who is Canadian decides on their own that they're going to leave Canada, that they're going
00:17:52.320 to join an enemy army and fight against Canada, remember that these people often burned their
00:17:57.440 Canadian passports. They outspoken on social media about how much they hate Canada. They call for terrorist 0.96
00:18:06.160 attacks against Canadians. They call for people to kill Canadians. They call for Muslims in Canada to 1.00
00:18:12.000 rise up and to wage war against Canadians. And now the UN is lecturing Ottawa, saying that it's time for
00:18:20.240 Canada to repatriate these ISIS thugs that are in jail and that are being held by our Syrian allies 0.99
00:18:29.520 and being held in Iraq and Syria, that it's time for Canada to repatriate these individuals. And again,
00:18:37.520 the idea that someone who doesn't, who's chosen on their own, that they don't want to be Canadian
00:18:43.120 anymore, they choose to fight for a foreign army that's engaged in a global jihadist insurgency,
00:18:49.120 global war against the West, and then their side loses, they get captured, and suddenly it's incumbent
00:18:56.080 upon Canada to, again, protect their rights, protect their freedoms, and provide them with
00:19:03.120 a new home or their old home back, pretend nothing happened, and repatriate them. This is the kind of
00:19:10.000 story that's just incredibly infuriating for some elite person who lives probably in Brussels or in
00:19:18.240 Switzerland, and they're lecturing Canadians, saying that it's our responsibility. And of course the CBC
00:19:25.280 just picks up the story and sort of runs it, you know, without any other counter-opinion or without
00:19:34.960 any skepticism whatsoever you read through. And it's just, it's just an interview. This is,
00:19:39.360 the story is just a transcript of the interview the CBC host has with this UN official. And basically,
00:19:47.840 there's no pushback, there's no providing the perspective of Canadians or of a national security
00:19:54.640 scholar or, you know, some practitioner who understands the threat of jihadist terrorism.
00:20:01.760 No, it's just sort of a, you know, Q&A with this person who's advocating something that, you know,
00:20:09.760 surely she wouldn't want to have in her own neighborhood, in her own backyard. She wouldn't
00:20:15.840 want an ISIS thug who went and fought, committed war crimes and genocide to move in next door to her. 0.98
00:20:22.560 So she'll just lecture us and tell Canadians to do that. So again, just another example of 1.00
00:20:31.440 people who, I mean, I mean, the problem is just that we don't take jihadist terrorism seriously.
00:20:38.480 Our legal system gets in our own way. If we truly did have a legal obligation to repatriate
00:20:43.680 citizens who renounce their citizenship to join another country, I mean, what's the point of 1.00
00:20:49.920 citizenship at that point? And again, just examples of how our laws are often used against us. It
00:20:57.040 reminds me of another story that barely got a lot of play. I don't know if you remember,
00:21:01.440 but I think it was back in 2013, on Canada Day, there was a foiled terrorist plot in Victoria,
00:21:08.720 British Columbia. The story came out, it was two individuals who were sort of local people from
00:21:14.800 Victoria. They were drug addicts, drug junkies, and basically they converted to Islam and radicalized 1.00
00:21:22.880 themselves. They believed that they were working for Al-Qaeda and they went out and tried to carry 0.94
00:21:29.600 out a terrorist attack against Canadians on Canada Day outside of the parliament building, the legislature
00:21:36.160 building in Victoria, the capital, British Columbia, and they were arrested. They were initially found
00:21:42.560 guilty. There was a jury. A jury of their peers found these two individuals to be guilty of terrorism.
00:21:48.880 And then basically it was appealed, the decision was appealed, and two different courts ruled that
00:21:57.520 these individuals had basically been victims of entrapment. The RCMP sting operation was too zealous,
00:22:04.160 and so therefore it wasn't really their fault. I mean, basically that it wasn't really their fault.
00:22:10.800 Despite having a guilt, being found guilty by their peers, by a jury of their peers, they are now free.
00:22:16.160 They are now out on bail and they're free. It's absolutely remarkable that just a few years later,
00:22:23.440 these individuals, it's not just that they dreamed up an idea of doing a terrorist attack or that they just,
00:22:30.160 you know, hoped to be part of Al-Qaeda or they just believed in the same things that Al-Qaeda did.
00:22:35.120 These people actually took steps. They had the idea that they wanted to be part of a terrorist attack.
00:22:42.560 They went out and built homemade bombs. They built pressure cooker bombs, and then they went out and
00:22:47.760 they laid the bombs. They planted the bombs in garbage cans outside of the parliament, outside of the
00:22:53.600 legislature building, in Victoria. So as far as they were concerned, they carried out a terrorist attack.
00:23:00.080 Now, they were working with an RCMP agent who was pretending to be part of Al-Qaeda.
00:23:04.320 He made sure that the bombs wouldn't actually do anything, that they wouldn't detonate.
00:23:08.480 But, you know, as far as these individuals were concerned, they'd carried out a terrorist attack. 0.98
00:23:12.960 And here we are five years later, and they're completely free because of our ridiculous, ridiculous 0.63
00:23:18.800 court system that, again, always puts the rights of people who are enemies of Canada, the worst of the 0.74
00:23:26.400 worst, including actual terrorists, people who are actually part of Al-Qaeda. And instead, you know,
00:23:33.040 we always find a way to have a bleeding heart approach and not crack down on the worst of the worst,
00:23:39.600 the worst kind of people. So incredibly frustrating. And I think most Canadians, when they read a headline,
00:23:46.080 like the one with this Egyptian guy who is suing the Canadian government for almost $40 million,
00:23:55.120 saying that his rights are abused, he's not even a Canadian citizen. He's not a Canadian. He's an
00:23:59.840 Egyptian who lied to get to Canada, and who has a long documented history of alleged ties to Al-Qaeda.
00:24:09.200 You have an individual like that, who's saying that somehow he was wronged by the Canadian government.
00:24:15.840 He managed to stay in Canada for 17 years. More than that. He's been in Canada now for 22 years.
00:24:23.040 His deportation fight has been going on for 17 years. You know, this guy should be counting his lucky
00:24:27.440 stars that he's still alive, and that Canada didn't boot him out the moment that he got here. If Canada
00:24:33.520 had any sense, and we put national security concerns first, that's what we would have done. But instead,
00:24:40.160 we let these ridiculous legal games get played. The whole thing's a circus. And I think this signals to 0.95
00:24:47.120 people all over the world that Canada is just weak, and it is a vulnerable place when it comes to
00:24:53.280 terrorism. If you are a jihadist, I don't see why you wouldn't want to have your base in Canada, just given
00:24:59.360 the way that we treat individuals like this. There's absolutely no priority to protect the rights and
00:25:08.400 freedoms, the safety of Canadians. There's no emphasis on what this guy contributes to Canada.
00:25:15.440 What about his responsibilities? What about his duty in Canada? There's nothing like that. It's all about
00:25:21.200 his rights. And I think that's incredibly frustrating. A ridiculous story. Ridiculous,
00:25:26.640 ridiculous story. So anyways, I'll leave it at that. I'm looking forward to watching Trump's address 1.00
00:25:34.000 coming up pretty soon here, and seeing what he has to say about border security and building a wall in
00:25:39.600 the US. You know, Canada should hope to get a little bit of his courage and forthright when it comes to
00:25:50.320 combating a real problem and addressing national security concerns. Because we need it just as much
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