In this episode, Andrew Lawton talks about the impact of GM's announcement that it's closing 5 plants across North America, including one in Oshawa, Ontario, Canada, and the political response from Doug Ford and the NDP government in Ontario.
00:00:00.780Good afternoon, or I should say good morning for the next 29 minutes if you are in Canada's West Coast time zones today.
00:00:08.980My name is Andrew Lawton, fellow with the True North Initiative, here to talk about all that is happening in the world
00:00:15.700and hopefully in true True North Initiative fashion, try to put some solutions on the radar for you.
00:00:21.920It's been a very busy week for news. I want to get through a few different stories here that have been happening.
00:00:28.420And actually, I'm finding there is a common thread throughout them, and a lot of that comes down to priorities from the government.
00:00:38.380I got the first reaction actually a minute ago, and it's an angry face.
00:00:41.420I don't know if that's an angry face about me bombarding your screen or if it's an angry face about what the actual text of the live video is saying,
00:00:51.020which is thousands of autoworkers are facing unemployment, and Justin Trudeau decides to wage a bilingualism war with Doug Ford.
00:00:59.120Well, I guess I told you what we're talking about today.
00:01:01.420It's huge, though, because we had just a few days ago the news from GM that it was shuttering five plants across –
00:01:09.520I got another angry face. Okay, I'm just going to assume you are all angry at Justin Trudeau and not me,
00:01:14.340and I'm sticking to it here. But we have the news that GM is shuttering five plants across North America,
00:01:21.600two in Michigan, and one very significantly for Canadians in Oshawa.
00:01:26.700Now, it's not GM's only facility in Oshawa, but it is a large one,
00:01:31.180and it has been manufacturing Chevrolet products for the last century.
00:01:36.180And it's as much a part – and I said this in a Looney Politics column today –
00:01:41.320it's as much a part of the economic fabric of Oshawa and Durham region and all of this stuff
00:01:46.460as it is about the community fabric in Oshawa.
00:01:50.400Like, I've always, my whole life, I've known of GM and Oshawa as just being synonymous with one another.
00:01:56.380I mean, that community built itself, as so many automotive sector communities did, around the plant.
00:02:03.340And that is so key. And I know that Jennifer French, who we'll talk about in a few moments,
00:02:08.320the NDP provincial representative there, the MPP, had said that, you know, GM didn't build Oshawa.
00:02:15.880Oshawa built GM. And quite frankly, the two go hand in hand.
00:02:19.980Whenever a plant closes, you see the ripple effect it causes.
00:02:24.120And look, I've spent a lot of time in Detroit.
00:02:27.240And what's fascinating in Detroit is when you see these plants that have closed down,
00:02:31.900like the Packard plant or the Fisher plant, these giant plants,
00:02:35.360you see for blocks and blocks and blocks, all of those abandoned houses of, quite frankly,
00:02:42.120the people that used to work at that plant.
00:02:44.480So, yes, these communities become very much defined by their largest employers.
00:02:50.520And that is so true when it comes to Oshawa.
00:02:54.440It's true with the automotive sector in general.
00:02:56.700So I want to preface everything I say here by pointing out that I am with the workers
00:03:04.220who are finding themselves facing unemployment at GM Oshawa.
00:03:09.260I get it. And I understand the concerns.
00:03:11.920And there are some people that I think have a tendency to shrug and go,
00:03:15.080oh, well, that's the free market at work, you know, ta-da.
00:03:17.540No, just because it is the free market at work and just because this is part of a natural cycle
00:03:22.300of economics and employment and unemployment doesn't mean that it's good to watch.
00:03:27.300It doesn't mean that it's nice to see.
00:03:29.380And it doesn't mean that we should be celebrating it.
00:03:31.700We can say this is reality, but that doesn't mean that we have to be happy about it.
00:03:37.380And where I want to jump off from with this particular video is the political response to this.
00:03:43.960Because I put a little video out the other day that was taking aim at this incentive
00:03:48.160that governments are trying to talk about to how can we make them.
00:03:51.600It's not an incentive. It's how can we force GM to stay here.
00:03:55.160And Jennifer French, that NDP member of provincial parliament,
00:03:58.520was saying that this decision must be fought.
00:13:45.120Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Tamil, Farsi, Urdu, Russian, and then French.
00:13:51.760So if we are to put a multi-million dollar university or college in place in Toronto for the French language minority, where's the Russian university?
00:14:04.980Where's the Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Tamil, Farsi?
00:14:07.880I mean, at a certain point, we're going to have a street where all of the universities are basically just the United Nations because we've had to appease every single minority group possible for the sole purpose of buying votes in three or four different ridings.
00:14:23.760And I wish Doug Ford hadn't walked back the French languages commissioner thing.
00:14:29.220That was one where he said, all right, we'll keep the French language services commissioner in place, but the university college still gone.
00:15:12.860There are options for you to get a French language post-secondary education.
00:15:17.040But why does this need to be something that we have in downtown Toronto with a multimillion dollar price tag for what is 600,000 people across the province and 1.3% of the population in Toronto?
00:15:33.540But it's Trudeau who, while we have people flooding across the borders, while you have thousands of Oshawa residents that are facing unemployment, decides he is going to devote his efforts to waging a bilingualism war against Doug Ford and the province of Ontario.
00:15:54.160And I feel bad here for Andrew Scheer, because Andrew Scheer has to be the conservative leader that's not going to alienate Quebec, because Quebec cares not just about the French language in Quebec.
00:16:06.640Quebec cares about the French language everywhere else.
00:16:16.080Because Quebec, which wants every other province in Confederation to leave it alone, has the gall to start telling Doug Ford and the Ontario government all the things they have to do to keep the French language alive and well.
00:16:33.040If you think other provinces need to do what you've decided is your job, to protect and preserve this French language culture within Canada.
00:16:49.820Let Quebec's government give a grant to the Ontario government to set up this college.
00:16:54.400This is ridiculous that this is the discussion we're having in 2018.
00:16:59.920That because the French language minority comes together and says, you know what, we think we need this, this, this, this, this, this.
00:17:06.180In a unilingual province that has been, for too long, I think, pretending it's a bilingual province, why should it be incumbent on everyone else to pay for it?
00:17:19.540And by the way, this is not a lack of appreciation for French culture.
00:17:29.020I love going to Quebec, Montreal, Quebec City, and I like that we are a country that has that.
00:17:35.140But I only like that to the extent that it happens organically and naturally, not when the government tries to force it.
00:17:43.340I mean, can you imagine right now the Quebec, let's just flip this, the Quebec government, which is so resistant to English-speaking operations, even private businesses.
00:17:52.180If someone went to the Quebec government, if Doug Ford went to the Quebec government and said, I'm angry that you're not opening up an English university in Quebec.
00:18:03.500English-speaking Quebecers need to be protected because they're a minority.
00:18:07.740No, if you were to say to the Quebec government, you know, we're concerned that the English pockets are eroding and the English minority is getting smaller, they would throw a parade.
00:18:20.240So I will not take any marching orders on how to deal with language harmony from a province that is hell-bent on eradicating its language minorities.
00:18:33.780But Justin Trudeau is doing the same thing, where he's going to a province in Ontario and saying, we need to come up with a federal government response.
00:18:41.400Look, bilingualism is a federal issue.
00:18:46.960So if there is a concern with how language minorities are being treated, let the federal government pony up its cash.
00:18:53.680And this is, by the way, what the Ontario government said a while ago, that if the federal government is going to make this an issue, it has to be prepared to put its money forward.
00:19:03.280It has to be prepared to put its money where its mouth is here.
00:19:23.240That's all. If you were to send someone to look at all the headlines across the provinces and the country and all of that and say, what are the biggest issues right now in Canada?
00:19:32.720They would say, well, based on what Justin Trudeau is doing, it sounds like this is the one, the language issues.
00:19:41.420And yes, I get that he can walk and chew gum.
00:19:44.940I get that Justin Trudeau is able to look at multiple issues and do that.
00:19:49.740But right now we've got a very significant challenge that involves the Prime Minister of Canada and Doug Ford, and that is the government's response on employment insurance and other social services and retraining and all of that stuff.
00:20:03.720And instead, Justin Trudeau is picking a fight on bilingualism.
00:20:07.600And this discussion, I fear, is never going to go away in Canada.
00:20:16.060If you haven't been able to tell, and it's funny, I didn't think that I would get all worked up about this.
00:20:21.640But I do because of the arrogance in so many of these people right now that are saying, Ontario has to pay for this, this, this, this, this.
00:21:01.980That's less than 5% of the population.
00:21:04.800And, you know, even that I find to be a little bit hard to believe in most parts, because I could go down the street in London, Ontario, and 1 in 20 people are not going to be Franco-Ontarians.
00:21:16.2801 in 20 people are not going to be French-Canadians.
00:21:19.260It's going to be, I think, in the city of Toronto, well, 1.3%.
00:21:22.740So, you know, 1 in 90 people you'll meet there will be French as a first language.
00:22:34.900There are 14 ridings where Francophones make up 10% of the population.
00:22:42.380New Brunswick, Ontario, Nova Scotia, and Manitoba.
00:22:45.500So, in the entire country, outside of Quebec, there are just 14 ridings.
00:22:52.48014 political ridings in the country where Francophones even make up 10% of the population.
00:22:59.100And half of those voted Conservative in 2011.
00:23:03.240So, the Conservatives don't want to rock the boat on this much.
00:23:06.460But we're looking at, in Ontario specifically, a tiny, tiny, tiny number of ridings that are impacted by this.
00:23:15.440And it's not to say that decisions like right and wrong should be made based on the political math.
00:23:20.720But we know that politics is going to be the driving force behind a lot of these decisions and whatnot.
00:23:27.620But it is actually so tremendously upsetting to me that we are entertaining these discussions where someone says, a group says, I want my French language college.
00:24:40.020And the fact that she would resign from caucus.
00:24:43.020Because a woman who got elected, and I was a candidate in that election.
00:24:46.820I know the message that we were telling people was, we've got to start tightening our belt.
00:24:51.520We, as a province, have to live within our means.
00:24:53.520We, as a province, can't spend money on luxuries and can't waste money.
00:24:57.380She would have been selling that same message to voters in her riding in June.
00:25:01.420But that all of a sudden, when it comes to a handout that specifically targets her and her community, all of a sudden, she throws that out the wind and says, we want it.
00:25:58.020That's how the Quebec premier discusses it.
00:25:59.980That's how Justin Trudeau discusses it.
00:26:01.880And that's how the media discusses it.
00:26:03.560And when they frame it as protection of the minority, that logic or lack thereof is what makes it a launching point for any group imaginable that wants to take that minority status to say, all right, well, now we need to protect our minority.
00:26:21.120And before you know it, we are more defined by our differences than we are by our similarities.
00:26:28.020And there is no way that the cultural fabric of a province or a country can be maintained with that.
00:26:35.560And more importantly, it's just not economically viable, nor is it practical, to make that the way that you govern yourself.
00:26:43.220So most people, and this is the rationale here that I think is interesting, is that 95% of the province does not care about this.
00:26:53.84095% of the province of Ontario, for whom the French language is not their first language, are hearing this story and being like, what the heck?
00:27:01.240Like, and especially people in my city in southwestern Ontario, people in Toronto, people in Windsor has a bit of a French population, but not huge.
00:27:09.800People in these cities are like, I don't, who are these people?
00:27:17.000They exist in Glengarry, Prescott, Russell.
00:27:18.860They do exist, but they are now hijacking this national discussion, despite occupying less than 5% of the demographic makeup in Ontario.
00:27:33.400And for Amanda Simard, look, if she made this decision on principles, power to her.
00:27:38.100But I question her principles when it becomes more about getting a targeted handout than actually sticking to the values that she was elected to champion.
00:28:29.340Well, yeah, and quite frankly, if you are a Franco-Ontarian and it's really, really important that you protect your French language, go to a French school.
00:28:37.880Or go to one of the existing ones, go to Ottawa U, which is Ottawa you walk around and the population of English speakers versus French speakers there seems very similar to one another.