Juno News - The WOKE takeover of our schools. How it happened, and what we can do to fight back

00:00:00.000 I'm Candice Malcolm and this is The Candice Malcolm Show. Thank you so much for tuning in

00:00:10.020 today. We're going to take a little bit of a break from talking about politics and news

00:00:13.440 and talk more on the cultural front, talk about families and kids and education. So I've mentioned

00:00:18.460 this on the podcast before, but I love summer and I'm a huge proponent of getting kids outside

00:00:23.860 in nature. So one of the things my family and I do is the kids take part in the thousand hour

00:00:29.520 challenge. I try to make sure that they spend 1,000 hours per year outside, which boils down

00:00:35.160 to a little less than three hours per day. It's a lot easier in the summer. So you kind

00:00:40.000 of have to bank up your time, spend more time outside in the summer so that you can get away

00:00:44.000 with less time during the winter, but especially for boys. I have a six-year-old son and him

00:00:49.660 and I love to get outside and I'm a firm believer in boys being able to move, being able to be

00:00:54.640 boys, run around, be rambunctious. A friend of mine was actually at our candidate party,

00:00:59.700 told me about a study that she had read and I looked into this afterwards, that boys need

00:01:04.140 about two hours of strenuous exercise. And they've done tests on this and found that when

00:01:09.480 boys and especially young boys, but also all the way up to teenagers, when they're spending

00:01:13.620 that much time outside running around engaging in strenuous exercise, their attention improves,

00:01:19.520 their test scores improve. So if you give a boy a math test and get his score, and then

00:01:24.280 you take that same boy the next day, you get him to run around outside for two hours and

00:01:27.400 give him the same math test. He'll actually perform better the second time. And so we

00:01:32.220 do. My son and I, most mornings we go out, we live near a forest and we go to the trailhead.

00:01:37.940 We'll do sometimes five mile walks, eight kilometers. And my son loves it. He just loves being outside

00:01:43.340 in nature. And I think part of the problem with modern day schools really is that they try

00:01:49.120 to make every child the same, right? They try to make every child fit in the same

00:01:54.200 box. They act, they treat boys sometimes like they're dysfunctional girls because they don't 0.91

00:01:59.000 have the same attention span. They can't sit still. It's not that they're not learning. They

00:02:02.740 just don't learn the same way. And for me, I have so many problems with the education system.

00:02:08.140 My kids don't go to schools. They don't go to traditional schools at all. Granted, they're

00:02:11.380 young. I have a one-year-old, three-year-old, a four and a half-year-old and a six-year-old.

00:02:15.180 So they're all quite young. But for now, the way to go for me certainly is homeschooling.

00:02:21.980 Not everybody has that option, obviously. Not everybody has the option to avoid public schools.

00:02:27.900 But it's really interesting. And I saw this in The Hub earlier this week. And so I wanted

00:02:31.960 to invite the author on Ginny Roth. But she did a deep dive into Ontario, the growth in independent

00:02:39.720 schools in the province versus the growth in public schools. So this is really interesting.

00:02:44.700 From 2013 to 2023, the cumulative percentage of change in Ontario public school enrollment

00:02:49.560 was just 1.2%, right? And meanwhile, there was a 22% cumulative growth in Ontario independent

00:02:56.860 schools. So imagine the population growth and increase in population over the past decade.

00:03:02.320 And yet public school system enrollment has remained relatively flat. And, you know, anecdotally,

00:03:08.100 so many of the parents that I talk to, public school is just not an option. Given the total

00:03:13.380 woke takeover of the schools, given the agenda that has been inserted in, you know, it's not just

00:03:21.160 pushing sort of the worst of the woke cultural movement onto children. But I mean, there's just

00:03:29.700 so many problems. And I'm sure we'll get to a bunch of those. So I want to introduce Ginny. Ginny is a 0.99

00:03:33.820 partner at Crestview Strategies. She advises clients on public affairs and government

00:03:37.740 relations. She also served as the director of communication for Pierre Polyev's successful

00:03:41.480 conservative leadership campaign. So Ginny, welcome to the podcast. Thank you so much for

00:03:46.120 joining us. Thanks, Candice. Nice to be here.

00:03:49.120 So tell us about this piece you wrote, Why Ontario Needs Independent Schools. You had a co-author

00:03:56.320 here and you're sort of talking about how Ontario, unlike many other provinces in Canada, doesn't

00:04:02.960 offer parents the same kind of choice. So why don't you walk us through your argument?

00:04:07.700 Sure. Yeah. So I should also give credit to my co-author, Brian Dykema. He and the people at

00:04:13.160 Cardus, which is a think tank in Canada, have done a lot of work, like a lot of the research work that

00:04:17.800 underpins this argument was done by Cardus. So people should check them out if they're interested

00:04:22.140 in learning more. And our premise was basically our own sort of surprise at how in almost every

00:04:30.340 other province in Canada, there's some element of school choice. And by that, we mean there's some

00:04:36.160 evenness to the playing field when it comes to independent schools and public schools. That

00:04:42.640 includes in, you know, NDP governed British Columbia. People I think know about school choice in Alberta,

00:04:48.300 but really provinces across the country, most of them have this option. In Ontario, we do not.

00:04:54.120 We have a public system that is totally funded by the state and run by the state. We also have a

00:05:00.480 Catholic system, which is sort of weird to have one religion represented and completely funded by the 0.86

00:05:05.660 state. And then when it comes to independent schools, whether it's a religious school, a niche,

00:05:13.400 like a nature school or something like that, that's appealing to a specific type of

00:05:16.660 parental preference, or a private school, expensive private school, most of which are in Toronto and

00:05:23.840 the surrounding area, they all are kind of on their own. There's regulated in some ways by the

00:05:28.820 province, but not much. And the only way that parents can opt into that is if they can afford to.

00:05:35.000 Now, to your point about the increase in interest in independent schools, there are a lot of independent

00:05:40.500 schools that are trying everything in their power to make it an option for parents. So a lot of the

00:05:45.620 smaller independent schools, especially the religious ones, have programs for lower income

00:05:50.000 students and families to be able to attend. And they truly try to find ways to make it affordable

00:05:56.280 and keep costs down. And so it's interesting, because the fact that there's so much interest,

00:06:01.040 even despite the fact that it's hard to attain, if you don't have extra money to spend on schooling,

00:06:06.800 that tells me that if there was a way to even the playing field a little bit,

00:06:10.200 you know, for instance, if the per student amount, the province is spending on education could just

00:06:16.420 follow the student to their school of choice, I think you would just see a massive uptick in uptake.

00:06:22.460 And I could say my family is an example of that. I have a son in the Toronto District school board,

00:06:27.940 he's in junior kindergarten. We're doing okay, but we have really expensive childcare costs,

00:06:33.800 because I also have a toddler. And we don't, we don't, we're not really members of a faith community.

00:06:38.120 So we don't really have an option when it comes to a religious school. And so we're kind of stuck

00:06:43.040 with the private system. You know, if we were in Alberta, I would be sending my son to a classical

00:06:46.980 school for sure. But we don't have classical school in Ontario. It's too bad.

00:06:51.220 It's interesting that you write in your piece that the average private school tuition in Ontario is

00:06:56.920 something around $13,000, which, you know, just the cost of it, right, if you were to get a bill for that

00:07:01.960 much, it's more than most families can handle. And yet for so many people, especially my generation,

00:07:07.220 your generation, it's like, they're so used to paying for some kind of a daycare, because most

00:07:12.000 moms do work. And daycares or a nanny or whatever it is that you choose to do, are so much more 0.99

00:07:19.100 expensive than that, right? Like many people are paying thousands of dollars a month to have that

00:07:24.060 option. And so if you're used to that, and you budget that in when the child is young, you can continue

00:07:29.860 to pay that. Although, of course, if you have multiple kids like you do, and I do, it becomes a

00:07:34.800 lot more, a lot steeper. I want to sort of rewind a little bit and just talk about perhaps the reason

00:07:41.600 like, like, why is it that the enrollment in public schools is basically flat? I mean, I know it. And this

00:07:48.860 is a conversation that comes up with almost every mom I speak to in Ontario, is like, what has happened

00:07:53.580 to the schools in Ontario, right? It's been a total woke takeover. Not just the idea that teaching

00:07:59.760 children that boys can be girls and girls can be boys, but also teaching them that Canada is an 0.93

00:08:05.300 irredeemably racist country, that white people are oppressors, that so much of your life is determined by 0.90

00:08:11.920 immutable characteristics like your race and gender. It seems to just be so overwhelmingly steeped into the 0.99

00:08:17.740 curriculum. On top of that, you can add in sort of a fanaticism around science and climate science in

00:08:23.000 particular, it seems to me that the curriculum in Ontario has become militantly woke. And I do not

00:08:29.960 understand how this has happened under a conservative government. I mean, Doug Ford in part was elected,

00:08:36.200 because Canadians and people Ontario were fed up with Dalton McGinty and Kathleen Wynne in part because

00:08:42.200 they imposed a sex education curriculum that the parents were very uncomfortable with. And so I remember

00:08:47.840 Doug Ford campaigning, saying we're gonna get this stuff out of the classrooms, right? And so a lot of us

00:08:52.820 put faith in the conservative government to fix this problem. And instead, it's like the exact opposite

00:08:58.340 has happened. And things have gotten so bad that, you know, you have to like kind of pre-teach your

00:09:04.820 children or warn them to block out a lot of messages that they're going to receive if they do go to public

00:09:09.780 school. And so many people I know just refuse to put their children into schools. But I mean, you work in

00:09:15.140 public affairs. Can you help us understand, help the audience understand, like, how does this happen?

00:09:18.900 Yeah. So first of all, I'd add a few things to that list. Like you're talking about cultural and social

00:09:23.380 issues. And those are really important because these years are so formative and kids are spending

00:09:27.620 so many hours in school. But there's also this question of like math and pedagogy and how math

00:09:33.700 is taught and whether rote timetable and repetition and the things that we know work to teach kids math

00:09:39.540 are emphasized enough in the curriculum. Reading. If your parents don't read to you, if you're a lower income

00:09:45.380 kid, you depend on learning how to read in school. The idea that phonics isn't as prominent as it used

00:09:50.900 to be in the curriculum, like proven methods for teaching kids to read, just the basics, right? Forget

00:09:55.860 about all the extra woke stuff, which is equally concerning. Like the governments, like I think, tried to

00:10:00.340 take really, really small steps on that front, because to your point, the public demands it. So they've tried to

00:10:06.580 bring back some basic math curriculum. They've tried to limit phone use in schools, which I think is also a real

00:10:12.660 concern for parents. But it's their kind of passion, half measures. And I think that is a good hint

00:10:18.660 about what's going on here. There are institutions, and they're all dominated by left wing opinions and

00:10:25.860 left wing voices that have more sway in the school system in Ontario than parents do. Certainly the teachers

00:10:32.020 unions, but also public servants in the Ontario Ministry of Education. I think one of the biggest offenders here is

00:10:39.380 OISE, the biggest teachers college in Ontario, that's teaching, that's identifying which teachers, which people to

00:10:45.380 train to be teachers, and then training them to be teachers, and how to be teachers, and in pedagogy. And all of those

00:10:51.380 institutions and environments are also the boards, you know, to give the Ontario government a bit of credit, they've

00:10:57.380 taken over a few boards, because that their offenses are so egregious that even this government couldn't sort of stand by. So all of these institutional forces at play,

00:11:07.380 resist the kind of reform, and priorities that you and I are talking about. And not only that, they propagate and promote,

00:11:17.380 whether you want to call it woke, or, or sort of like morally relativist, or, or left wing, or whatever you want to

00:11:25.380 describe it, those values, that, that content of that curriculum, that those methods of teaching, are all missions for these people who are in these positions of power. And, um, I think that's the

00:11:35.380 to push back on that to resist would take a really, really strong government that wants to burn political capital, potentially and get, you know, negative media stories written about them. And, so there are downsides to that and governments need to get reelected, that's part of their mission.

00:11:50.380 And so you have to balance your ability to get reelected, and to withstand political pressure with what you want to advance. And ultimately, if these education reforms fall down the priority list, they just become not worth the fight, let's say.

00:12:05.380 Um, so I think that's a lot of the rationale, and they have pursued some reforms, um, where they felt like it was worth the fight, whether it's on, um, some of the math curriculum, or limiting phones in schools.

00:12:16.380 Um, but pushing those reforms further, and tackling some of the other big items that we've talked about, I think have just been deemed to be not a high enough priority, and not worth the political risk.

00:12:26.380 Well, I suppose it's a failing of, uh, people like me, like, I mean, we need to make them a bigger priority and a bigger issue so that Ontario Conservatives know that, you know, parents aren't happy, right?

00:12:37.380 Parents are very dissatisfied, uh, with the current state of things. And Jenny, I'll even expand it, right? Because, yeah, I agree that, that so much of it is, is just, you know, um, activists that take over these boards and have an outsized influence.

00:12:51.380 Uh, but this also happens on the private side as well, particularly in some of those elite, um, schools.

00:12:57.380 I, I know of, again, so many parents who have older children, and they tell me, Candace, if my children were your children's age, I would never put them in one of these schools, like Upper Canada College, or Bishop Strong, or, I mean, any of them, um, uh, Braggson Hall.

00:13:12.380 I mean, I mean, sometimes we see sort of viral social media posts by someone like Jonathan Kaye pointing out how these all-girls schools are promoting the fact that only 75% of their student body identifies as girls, right?

00:13:26.380 Or, or, or trying to push, um, you know, trans girls or, you know, biological boys into, um, girls' schools and vice versa. 0.64

00:13:34.380 I mean, so much of it seems to just be, like, a cultural contagion that's happening, particularly around Toronto.

00:13:42.380 I don't know if it's happening as badly in other parts of the country, perhaps Vancouver.

00:13:46.380 Um, like, what, what can parents do to push back against this at their, at their kids' schools?

00:13:51.380 I think they have to have louder voices, right? We have no, um, we have no special interest group representing parents. It doesn't really exist.

00:13:58.380 Um, and most parents are busy, so they have concerns, um, and they just don't, they're not equipped to give voice to them.

00:14:05.380 They, there's no organization to represent them. There are no activists channeling their voices into high impact advertising or media stories or any of the kinds of things that put pressure on governments.

00:14:17.380 Um, and if parents want to have impact, they have to have, they have to have that voice.

00:14:22.380 And so, you know, I think you are trying to do your part, Candace.

00:14:25.380 I think media institutions that try to give voice to the other side of the story and to give voice to those parents are crucial.

00:14:32.380 Um, you know, this is partially why we wrote this, why Brian and I wrote this op-ed, was to try to kind of advance, um, this message.

00:14:38.380 And I will say we got a lot of engagement on it and interest.

00:14:41.380 So I think that speaks to this kind of like latent public opinion that maybe is not, has not had a voice.

00:14:47.380 Um, but parents, parents have to activate.

00:14:50.380 They should vote with their feet where they can for those who can afford independent schools.

00:14:53.380 Um, you know, they are right.

00:14:55.380 I think that's another thing that happens is there's less pushback on the public curriculum because people who are frustrated with it, try to opt out if at all possible.

00:15:02.380 So there's almost this like built in challenge that as the more fed up you get, the more you're, you're likely to opt out and therefore kind of give up the fight, um, on, on making the change.

00:15:12.380 And so it's, so it's challenging.

00:15:14.380 Um, but I think parents, um, parents will ultimately prioritize, um, the, the education of their kids if they can.

00:15:22.380 Uh, and if they have the opportunity to have a voice, they should speak up and they should, they should apply pressure locally too.

00:15:27.380 Um, parents who push back on principals and teachers often, um, get hurt.

00:15:32.380 Um, and so it's worth it.

00:15:34.380 It's worth it to speak up.

00:15:35.380 I a hundred percent agree.

00:15:37.380 Uh, I want to pick up on one of the things you said, uh, which is about how parents often opt out.

00:15:42.380 So if you, if you're fed up in school system, you might just decide to pull your child, uh, which is then one fewer family advocating, uh, for the kinds of sensible changes.

00:15:50.380 I want to shift the conversation a little bit on that note, because I recently had lunch with a few Jewish friends in Toronto.

00:15:56.380 And to me, that's like a whole different level, uh, to the crisis in education, uh, for our Jewish friends and neighbors.

00:16:04.380 And that is that there has been a total wave of antisemitism in Canada post October 7th.

00:16:09.380 I mean, it's wild to think that a terrorist attack where Jewish families were murdered in their houses and in their beds, uh, would lead to hatred against Jews in Canada.

00:16:17.380 And yet here we are.

00:16:18.380 And it's happened.

00:16:19.380 And I have personal friends who are Jewish in Toronto who have decided to not just pull their children out of the school system, but leave Canada, actually leave the country because they feel so unsafe. 1.00

00:16:29.380 And I heard, and I saw a Twitter thread from an individual.

00:16:32.380 I don't know this person, his name's Michael Sachs, uh, but he wrote a thread, which, uh, really resonated with me partially because I've heard the story from other Jewish friends.

00:16:39.380 I'm going to read part of this thread.

00:16:41.380 He says, after 30 years as a proud Canadian citizen, a diehard Canucks fan, and someone who's deeply loved this country, I've made the hardest decision of my life.

00:16:48.380 I've moved my family forward to the United States.

00:16:50.380 I want to be clear about this decision.

00:16:51.380 It wasn't made lightly.

00:16:52.380 And I never imagined leaving our community, our family, our friends.

00:16:55.380 And yet here we are.

00:16:56.380 It comes after years of watching the country I love erode into something unrecognizable.

00:17:01.380 Now, he talks about a few of the issues that I think we can all relate to that became sort of political issues during the recent election campaign.

00:17:09.380 Cost of living.

00:17:10.380 Um, our cities are in crisis.

00:17:11.380 He's talking about fentanyl and crime and just drug overdoses, homelessness.

00:17:16.380 But, but then he goes on, um, to, to, to sort of talk more specifically about the Jewish community.

00:17:22.380 He says, Canada's Jewish community expected solidarity after, uh, October 7th.

00:17:26.380 And instead we got gaslighting.

00:17:28.380 Uh, synagogues were vandalized.

00:17:29.380 Schools were shot at.

00:17:30.380 Jewish teachers intimidated. 0.98

00:17:31.380 Jewish employees abused in their workplaces. 0.95

00:17:33.380 Union members treated like second class citizens.

00:17:36.380 Rallies glorifying terrorists have been allowed to take place in our neighborhoods, at our places of worship.

00:17:41.380 While Jewish students have had to fight for their basic right in public schools.

00:17:45.380 I've received multiple death threats over the years advocating for my community.

00:17:48.380 I mean, this is like a very real concern, um, for people, you know, this individual was in Vancouver.

00:17:54.380 I'm sure it's bad there.

00:17:55.380 It's also really bad in Toronto where, you know, having a Jewish identity has been flipped into being a colonialist and somehow, uh, someone who advocates for genocide or something.

00:18:06.380 And I mean, I mean, the fact that, that the, again, this is happening in Canada and it like barely makes the news, Jenny.

00:18:13.380 Um, I'm, I'm wondering if you've observed this, you've heard, heard about this as well and what you make of it.

00:18:17.380 I have observed it. I, I like you, I have close personal friends who are thinking of literally moving out of the country that they grew up in because they just can't, um, imagine allowing their kids to be raised in this type of environment.

00:18:31.380 Um, and there are all kinds of reports.

00:18:33.380 Uh, there was a report recently, I think it was, it came up yesterday or the day before.

00:18:36.380 Um, and one of the anecdotes was that a young girl was told she was only half human, um, by her teacher because she's Jewish.

00:18:44.380 Um, that is wild to me. I, you know, if you told me that when I was young, um, I just wouldn't believe that that would be possible in Canada.

00:18:50.380 Um, and so, yeah, I, I think this goes back to what we were talking about earlier.

00:18:55.380 Um, what, whether it has to do with the curriculum, the people who are crafting it, um, in the public service or the teachers who are promoting it and how they are taught in teacher's college.

00:19:04.380 Like there is a worldview that is highly dominant, um, that is radical and not of all mainstream that inflects those institutions that teaches,

00:19:13.380 that, um, the world is divisible into the oppressed and the oppressors and that Jewish people are oppressors and that therefore, um, they need to be silenced or put down. 0.99

00:19:24.380 Um, and it is like, it is toxic. It's not reflective of what most parents want for their kids, forget whether or not they're Jewish. 0.99

00:19:30.380 Um, and I worry that not only is it impacting the kids in school today, it's impacting like the future generations who are going to be taught in this worldview.

00:19:40.380 Um, potentially in contradiction to what their parents are teaching them at home.

00:19:44.380 Um, and so, yeah, I think so many things, you could write a whole other column about curriculum reform, um, and pedagogical reform and expectations for, for districts, um, and teachers, uh, specifically, and discipline for teachers.

00:19:59.380 Um, there's not a lot of accountability in the teaching profession.

00:20:02.380 And, you know, most people, if they fail their jobs, they get fired or they make less money.

00:20:05.380 That's obviously not true of teachers in the public system.

00:20:07.380 So, um, I, it's too bad that we weren't able to approach a lot of those topics in the op-ed.

00:20:13.380 Maybe we need to write another one, um, because I share your concern.

00:20:17.380 Um, and, uh, there's so many different ways to go about fixing it.

00:20:21.380 Um, our, our op-ed is just like a drop in the bucket.

00:20:24.380 Well, yeah, no, it's definitely interesting.

00:20:26.380 I think that the cultural Marxism, the sort of idea that, that there's oppressors and oppressed.

00:20:30.380 And it is funny cause I was talking to these Jewish friends and, you know, they were rehashing, rehashing some of the same, um, concerns that were raised in this, um, Twitter thread.

00:20:38.380 And it's like, you know, um, they were like, Candace, how would you feel if your identity was, um, politicized and that, you know, just being proud of who you are would be considered racist and, you know, or the new synagogues being targeted. 0.56

00:20:51.380 And I said, well, you know, that, that has happened to Canadians, right? 0.98

00:20:54.380 Um, true north has been at the forefront of reporting the fact that there have been 118 Christian churches vandalized or burned down since the unmarked grave story came out in 2021.

00:21:04.380 And yes, um, being a proud English Canadian or being proud of your race is, is certainly considered to be racist in Canada.

00:21:13.380 Um, so, so in some ways, the issues that are facing the Jewish community are the same issues that English Canadians have been facing for years as well.

00:21:20.380 And, you know, I think that, that the problem is getting worse.

00:21:24.380 And if we don't stand up and fight against it, I mean, rather than picking up and leaving, I think it is better probably to stay and fight.

00:21:30.380 But I think that a lot of it does have to do with what you're saying, like basic curriculum reform and not allowing the radicals to write the narrative and to write the agenda for what children are taught just as like basic truths.

00:21:43.380 What do you think?

00:21:44.380 Yeah, I totally agree.

00:21:46.380 I think, um, like so many, with so many issues, giving voice to an organized perspective that represents how average people feel, um, is the way to try to find a solution to this.

00:21:59.380 Um, you know, it's, it's too bad because I think Pierre Polyev, um, was making a lot of headway connecting with like regular common sense Canadians about this kind of thing, more as it concerns, um, public policy at the federal level.

00:22:14.380 And he won millions of votes on that basis.

00:22:17.380 Um, but it, because of all, you know, Donald Trump and all sorts of other circumstances, he didn't have the mandate to kind of, to win and kind of bring that change to federal departments, um, how universities are funded, et cetera.

00:22:29.380 Um, and because of the, the Canada, the U S dynamics, um, a lot of those issues have been like put on the back burner.

00:22:36.380 Um, and I don't know that prime minister Mark Herney has had to address them.

00:22:39.380 Um, but they're still there.

00:22:41.380 They're still simmering.

00:22:42.380 Um, and when you talk to regular Canadians about these kinds of things, like they connect with it.

00:22:47.380 Um, and I think maybe this is like, if we want to have a hopeful note, I don't think that these radical, um, opinions and people represent the mainstream.

00:22:57.380 I just, I really don't.

00:22:58.380 They just have disproportionate power in our institutions.

00:23:01.380 And so, um, any young person who has this common sense view, who is able to make a difference in an institution should do it.

00:23:10.380 They should seek to like gather power and influence and continue to, um, sort of preach that common sense message.

00:23:17.380 And I think in politics, we have to have a lot of confidence that when we talk about these things, they resonate, even if there are nasty op-eds written about it in, um, the government funded mainstream news.

00:23:27.380 Um, that doesn't mean that that reflects public opinion.

00:23:30.380 In fact, I think this kind of thing really does resonate, um, with the average person and the general public.

00:23:34.380 And so we have to like take comfort in that and, you know, get some strength from it.

00:23:38.380 I completely agree.

00:23:39.380 I think, well, I mean, you can look at public opinion studies, like only maybe 30% of Canadians believe the narrative that Canada is like an irredeemably racist country or that somehow we're settlers in someone else's country.

00:23:51.380 Um, I mean, 30% is a lot, but it's, there's a clear majority that oppose that kind of thinking.

00:23:57.380 And I think you're right.

00:23:58.380 Like, you know, I, I often feel like I'm swimming upstream in, in the culture because I'm pushing back against so many things at once.

00:24:05.380 And I think that there is a cultural tipping point some sometime in 2023 or 2024, maybe where all of a sudden, um, all of my peers and friends of friends.

00:24:13.380 And if I know like would kind of quietly be like, Oh, I totally agree with you on this stuff.

00:24:17.380 Like the transept has gone way too far.

00:24:19.380 The land acknowledgement stuff is just rolling your eyes at it.

00:24:22.380 Like, and, and, and I do think that Polyev was successfully able to pick up on that as unfortunate.

00:24:26.380 And it shows you the power of the propagandistic media in Canada, um, that they have to just flip the switch on the election.

00:24:33.380 Say, Oh, all of your problems have disappeared.

00:24:35.380 And now let's focus the election on U S president Donald Trump, um, instead of all of the cultural issues that we're fighting day in and day out.

00:24:42.380 Jenny, I really appreciate your time and your insight.

00:24:44.380 Thank you so much for joining the podcast.

00:24:46.380 Thanks Candace.

00:24:47.380 All right.

00:24:48.380 That is Ginny Roth, uh, from Crestview strategy folks.

00:24:51.380 That's all the time we have for today.

00:24:52.380 Thanks so much for tuning in.

00:24:53.380 I'm Candace Malcolm.

00:24:54.380 This is the Candace Malcolm show.

00:24:55.380 Thank you.

00:24:56.380 And God bless.

Juno News - July 17, 2025

The WOKE takeover of our schools. How it happened, and what we can do to fight back

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