Juno News - September 29, 2020


There's no science to justify another lockdown

Topics
second lockdowns
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Doug Ford Lockdowns
Climate, Coronavirus and Cockfights The Future of Confederation Debate

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4 minutes

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185.44

Word count

837

Sentence count

63

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1

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Health officials in Ontario want to shut down all indoor dining, libraries, and other non-essential services in order to combat the spread of the H7N9 pandemic. But what does the data say about the problem? And why should we be worried about it?

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00:00:00.000 I think it's time we all started asking public health officials and our politicians a whole lot
00:00:10.500 more questions about why they are making the decisions they're making during the pandemic,
00:00:15.820 why they think we should head in the direction that they want us to head in. Because quite
00:00:20.900 frankly, a lot of what we're hearing right now doesn't necessarily seem to be based on the
00:00:25.500 evidence, the data. It doesn't necessarily seem to be justified. What am I referring to? Primarily
00:00:31.780 this idea of second lockdowns. You got to shut her all down. We're hearing this from some health 0.96
00:00:36.840 authorities, some health officials, and some politicians. The idea that in Ontario, for
00:00:41.700 instance, they need to head back into stage two, which means shut down all indoor dining, shut down
00:00:47.440 the libraries, bizarrely, and bring in enhanced restrictions for a whole bunch of other non-essential
00:00:53.640 services. Now this is going to be pretty catastrophic for the economy. It's going to cause way more
00:00:58.760 problems in people's lives. But they say, well, we got to do it because, well, hashtag we're all in
00:01:03.620 this together. And, well, cases are rising and hospitalizations, they're not rising the same as
00:01:08.920 they were before, but they're ticking up a little bit. So that's what we have to do. And look, back
00:01:13.920 in March and April, regular folks said, yeah, what is this crazy virus from Wuhan? We don't know. We got
00:01:19.280 to take a few weeks to grab our bearings. So by all means, lock her all down. And here's your very
00:01:24.020 CERB and all your other economic supports. And we were all more or less on board with that. But now
00:01:29.740 a whole lot of people are starting to say, well, hold on a second. I'm not so sure about the thinking
00:01:35.460 behind all of this. And I don't just mean the people who are calling this whole thing a hoax and
00:01:39.960 marching in the streets and so forth. More and more regular people, nonpartisan individuals, just
00:01:45.440 average, decent folks are going, this doesn't necessarily add up for us right now. Different
00:01:52.240 folks have different disagreements with different elements out there and so forth. But there's more
00:01:57.080 of a public pushback starting right now. People are less willing to just take what, say, Premier Doug
00:02:03.440 Ford in Ontario has to say as a fait accompli. And I think that's a good thing. Because when you turn
00:02:09.820 around and say, well, we probably have to shut down the gyms or restrict them more. Well, why? Well,
00:02:15.320 because they're indoor settings and it spreads when people are in indoor settings. Okay. Yeah,
00:02:19.880 I know. We kind of get that. But does the data show that gyms are causing a problem? Oh, well,
00:02:26.040 I don't know. Not really. We don't actually have data specifically about gyms. What are you talking
00:02:30.020 about? Oh, well, because in Ontario, the database we use, there's not actually a little box where you
00:02:35.060 can tick off gym or not. Yeah, that's actually a real thing. I'm not making that up, folks. A number of
00:02:39.380 health officials have actually acknowledged across the province that the spreadsheet they're using is
00:02:44.380 incomplete. There are a number of categories they don't have, but they wish they did. That's a
00:02:50.160 problem. Both the problem of just managing their data and the fact that people are saying things
00:02:55.420 like shut down the gyms, but without knowing whether or not gyms are actually causing cases to
00:03:02.360 flare up. That's just one example I'm giving. You can use it with restaurants and various other places.
00:03:06.040 Because the bottom line is there's a lot of information deficit going on in the specifics
00:03:11.380 of all of this. But officials seem all too happy to say, oh, well, just shut this part down. Just
00:03:16.500 shut that down. And I understand why back in March and April, the people said, okay, we'll give it a
00:03:20.860 shot. Now, that doesn't cut it. They want a much higher threshold explanation for why businesses they
00:03:29.340 like, activities they like are put on hold, why their livelihood should be further restricted. And they
00:03:35.140 are right to demand that. Lockdowns, shutdowns, that is a wild thing to do. And until just recently,
00:03:42.540 six months ago, it was unprecedented in modern human history. So darn right, people need to keep
00:03:48.380 asking more questions and pushing back and not be so willing to accept things right now, because this
00:03:53.360 is no longer a question that can only be answered by niche medical experts or what have you. This is a
00:03:58.540 whole of society conversation. We're all in it. And don't let them tell you that your voice doesn't matter.
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