Juno News - November 22, 2023This is what “decolonization” really means
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In this episode, Candice talks about the radical left's obsession with decolonization, settler-colonialism, and direct action, as well as the latest scandals at her alma mater, the University of Alberta, and her friend and colleague Rupa Supramania.
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Decolonization is code. It's a dog whistle, if you will. And it means the mass slaughter of civilians, or what the radical left likes to call settlers, as we saw on October 7th. Now, if we accept this warped academic theory, which is pushed and promoted across our society, usually dressed up as a diversity, equity, and inclusion initiative, if we accept it and we let it go to its logical conclusion, we will see more October 7th style massacres, not just in Israel, but across the West, and particularly in Canada.
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I'm Candice Malcolm, and this is The Candice Malcolm Show.
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Hi, everyone. Thank you so much for tuning in. Today, we're going to unpack the academic terms such as decolonization, settler and direct action, as well as resistance and many others.
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I'm going to talk about the latest scandals, including at my university, the one that I graduated from, the University of Alberta. And later in the show, I am going to be debating my friend and colleague, Rupa Supramania, on free speech and its limits here in the West.
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The left loves to accuse conservatives of using dog whistles. Now, if you want to test this theory, just head on over to Google, type in Pierre Polyev and dog whistle, and you'll find about 100 legacy media stories accusing him of all kinds of things that he never said, but that some journalists decided that he must believe based on something totally different that he said. Do you get that?
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Well, I'll give you an example. In March, Pierre Polyev's team posted an image on Instagram of a Canadian police logo. In the description, he included a beautiful commemoration for two brave police officers who were sadly killed in the line of duty in Edmonton.
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Now, instead of just accepting this nice commemoration of brave police officers who sacrificed their lives for safety, the legacy media decided to pull out some kind of totally different conclusion. They accused him, I kid you not, of promoting anti-black racism. Yes, Trudeau's media decided that a police logo is actually a dog whistle for an extremist fascist movement, which apparently Pierre Polyev is trying to court.
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Now, can someone please tell me, is there a large anti-black fascist community in Canada that Pierre Polyev desperately needs on his side? Who are these fascists? Seriously, and where do they live? What party are they currently voting for that Pierre Polyev has to supposedly work very hard to take their vote away and bring it over to the conservatives? Of course, the media never explain any of that. They never bother. But we're just supposed to believe their utter nonsense.
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Well, what I find interesting when we're talking about dog whistles is the left's development of their own lexicon, usually obscure academic jargon that eventually makes its way into mainstream language.
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Now, this jargon includes code words that actually means something quite different than they first appear. So I'll give you an example.
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Over the weekend, left-wing writer and podcaster Nora Loretta posted this on X. She's celebrating the increased violence that we see at pro-Hamas rallies.
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She doesn't come right out and call it violence, of course. Instead, she calls it direct action.
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Guys, the amount of direct action happening right now is incredible.
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Now, we know that direct action means violence because Antifa put out a handbook that explicitly said this.
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They defined direct action as proactive self-defense. Yes, very clever.
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As in, I'm going to go attack those Nazis over there before they come and attack me.
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The problem is, according to Antifa, anybody who doesn't join in their anarchy and destruction, they consider to be a Nazi.
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So that means that just about everybody is fair game for actual violence.
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Now, when Nora Loretta celebrates direct action, she's no doubt referring to the pro-Hamas rallies that we've seen devolve into riots.
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We've seen the destruction of property, often Jewish-owned businesses in places of worship.
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We've seen altercations and physical fights against the police, as we saw recently in Calgary.
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And we've seen blockades of highways, bridges, railways, and other critical infrastructure.
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Now, it's funny, and I have to note, that when the truckers in the Freedom Convoy went over and blocked the Ambassador Bridge for just a few hours,
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that was enough for Justin Trudeau to call in the military and introduce martial law to break up the entire protest.
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But, of course, when the pro-Hamas side does it, when they actually go and harass him in a restaurant in Vancouver,
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and they tie up and block critical infrastructure across the country, what does Trudeau do?
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Interestingly, it actually leads him to flip-flop on his position.
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And in this case, he changed his mind and began to condemn Israel for fighting back against Hamas.
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Now, back to the concept of direct action, which is considered self-defense to the radical left,
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just like how many people on the radical left defended the October 7th massacre carried out by Hamas,
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and they called it resistance, or they called it decolonization.
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Well, Nanja Sharif, who is a writer at the Soho House magazine and Teen Vogue,
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I don't think that anyone stated it this clearly.
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According to some on the left, if you didn't get it before, you get it now.
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Decolonization means mass murder of civilians.
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It means a deadly pogrom against children in their beds.
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The same thing that I get called just about every day on social media by radical leftists.
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So if you have skin color that looks like mine, if you have an English-sounding name like I do,
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According to the radical left, you're fair game for violence, even murder.
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Now, if you think I'm being hyperbolic, I'm not.
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A professor at Yale University, one of the most prestigious institutions in the entire world,
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Yes, that is what Professor Zarina Grewal, an American studies professor at Yale University, wrote.
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And no, it isn't just the American radical left.
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If anything, these phrases are even more common in Canada.
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And the people who understand these words, what they truly mean,
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the ones who are most confident and vocal in using them, are usually in Canada.
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At York University, the Students' Union put out the following statement on October 12th.
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For those of you who don't know, Turtle Island is what they call North America or Canada.
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And across all occupied lands, these events serve as a reminder that resistance against colonial violence is justified and necessary.
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This is decolonization and land-backed actualized as we continue to see the Palestinian people stand firm in their resistance against their oppressors.
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I know it was pretty jargon heavy, but they said that resistance is justified.
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What we saw, the massacre, the despicable violence that we saw against civilians on October 7th in Israel.
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That's all what we mean when we say decolonization.
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And it isn't just a bunch of crazy students at York University in suburban Toronto.
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We had a professor over at McMaster University, Emil Joseph, basically say the same thing.
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He wrote the following on October 7th, before the massacre was probably even finished in Israel.
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He wrote, post-colonial, anti-colonial, and decolonial are not just words you heard in your EDI workshop.
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Next, here's a sign we saw at a Vancouver protest, just making it perfectly clear.
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Again, the sign writes, decolonization is not a theory.
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Finally, we have an Ontario member of the provincial parliament, formerly with the NDP.
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She said, I'm reflecting on my role as a politician who's participating in this settler colonial system.
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She's just participating in this disgusting settler colonial system that we like to call Canada.
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Our entire civilization is a disgrace, according to the far left.
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She writes, for 75 years, violence and retaliation rooted in settler colonialism have taken the lives of far too many innocent people.
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So, as you know, and as we all saw, they're trying to justify.
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They're trying to say that October 7th didn't just happen.
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It was all the fault of the Israelis for being colonial, being settlers, and colonizing Israel in the first place.
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Much the same arguments that they make against Canadians.
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So, following all this, we had a bunch of think pieces come out in Canadian publications.
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Tasha Carradine in the National Post wrote this on October 12th.
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She writes, Jama's statements illustrate the absurd lengths to which the decolonization movement had been taken.
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Today, the word decolonization has lost all meaning.
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I don't think that decolonization has lost its meaning.
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Its meaning is clearer now than it's ever been.
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The left is telling us exactly what the word means, and we need to listen.
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Next, Howard Englund, writing in The Hub on October 13th, wrote,
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Now, Howard is getting a little bit closer, but he still dances around the issue.
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This is something you hear about in a classroom or in a DEI workshop.
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Finally, JJ McCullough, who is a prominent Canadian YouTuber, he wrote on October 12th on X the following,
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I'm a little troubled by the fact that decolonization, which is a very mainstream concept in Canadian political discourse,
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is understood, at least by some faction of Canadians, to mean indiscriminate extrajudicial killing.
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And we should all be very, very troubled by that.
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Okay, let's move on to talk about how this is all playing out on university campuses,
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which, as we know, are ground zero for radical leftism and extremism.
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And as we're learning, ground zero for the violent ideology that is known as decolonization.
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So my alma mater, where I graduated from the University of Alberta,
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became something of a punchline in a joke over the week because of an open letter
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that was signed by the University of Alberta's Sexual Assault Center.
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There was about 40, from best I could tell, groups and individuals who signed this letter,
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including Sarah Jamma, the disgraced MPP from Ontario.
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And the letter, amongst many other things, denied that sexual violence happened against
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So I won't read the entire letter, but here is what it looked like.
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It says, stand with Palestine, call on political leaders to end their complicity in genocide.
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We know that when the far left calls Israel genocidal, they're really just using Hamas
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talking points because, of course, it is Hamas that is genocidal against the Jews.
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The Jews are just simply trying to protect themselves and have their own country.
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One of the most interesting parts of the letter is that they specifically call out Jagmeet Singh,
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the leader of the far left party in Canada, and they call them out.
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They said Jagmeet Singh repeated the unverified accusation that Palestinians were guilty of
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And so that, of course, the total hypocrisy and ignorance of a sexual assault center,
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a place where women are supposed to go on campus if they have been the victim of a horrible
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And here we have this group at the University of Alberta denying, openly denying, against
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all evidence, against all proof that sexual violence took place.
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I imagine being a Jewish woman on campus at the U of A and even considering going to a
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place like that, the sexual assault center.
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Here's the Daily Mail in the UK, it says, sexual assault center at Canadian University
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signs onto open letter that disputes women were raped and sexually assaulted during Hamas
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It made news across the US and even in Israel and, of course, across Canada.
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Former Senator Linda Frum posted this on Twitter.
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She posted the letter and wrote, the University of Alberta needs to find new professionals to
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staff at sexual assault center, given that current members believe some women deserve
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to be raped and that Jewish rape victims lie.
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If you are a U of A alumni, please make your feelings known to President Flanagan.
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I took up that call since, like I said, I am an alumni of the University of Alberta.
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So I posted the letter that I wrote to President Flanagan right here.
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You know, I'd like to see you take some action.
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Look forward to seeing how you will handle this situation.
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I was pleasantly surprised that just one day later, the university did reply to my email
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and they replied to my call and Linda Frum's call, many others, and they took action.
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The University of Alberta's President and Vice Chancellor, Bill Flanagan, released the
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following statement, basically saying, look, this person is no longer employed by the university.
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The university has appointed a new interim director at the sexual assault center.
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Actually, pretty proud of my university for taking this action and showing some leadership
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International human rights lawyer, Halal Neuer, wrote the following.
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Samantha Pearson, denier of Hamas rape, has been fired from her position as head of the University
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Bravo to Mr. Flanagan at the U of A for his swift action.
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And there are so many universities that employ Hamas apologists that promote them.
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Even in the covering of this story, you see the Globe and Mail do the exact same thing
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that the woman who got fired from the crisis center said.
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University of Alberta replaces sexual assault center director over a letter questioning alleged
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So the Globe and Mail throws in the term alleged just again to throw doubt at what is now at
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this point very much verified claims that Hamas used rape as one of the tools of their horrific
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Despite this very small glimmer of hope from the University of Alberta, the problems run
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I pointed this out last night, Tuesday, November 21st.
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There was an event at the U of A called Glory to Our Martyrs.
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The Hamas terrorists who murder Jews are known as martyrs.
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And according to whoever's organized this event at the University of Alberta inside an
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According to some people at the U of A, a University of Montreal lecturer who shouted
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at a Jewish student to go back to Poland has been suspended for the rest of the term.
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Imagine still getting paid for a job you no longer have to do.
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Over at the University of British Columbia, we saw these stickers popping up all over campus.
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Again, the left is saying the quiet part out loud.
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They're saying it really, really, really loudly.
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Now, of course, there are a million examples on university campuses of radical leftist students
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Sometimes you can't even tell the difference between the students and the faculty.
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But they are making absurd and obscene comments celebrating Hamas, celebrating terrorism,
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Resistance is justified when people are occupied, they say.
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All of this just means justification for violence.
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Now, thankfully, I'm not the only one noticing.
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So I want to point out a series of tweets from the other day.
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He wrote, decolonization is the woke version of jihad, and it should be viewed and treated
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Now, Elon Musk saw this tweet and he replied, yes, decolonization necessarily implies a Jewish
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Thus, it is unacceptable to any reasonable person.
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I would not say that it implies a Jewish genocide.
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I would say it's a genocide against any group that the left calls settlers or the left considers
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This is where so much of these ideas are coming from.
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He said on November 17th, as I said earlier this week, decolonization from the river to
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the sea and similar euphemisms necessarily imply genocide.
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Clear calls for extreme violence are against our terms of service and will result in suspension.
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A big public platform like X recognizing that these veiled calls for violence are still calls
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The next important step would be for Canadians to begin to recognize that this term, decolonization,
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decolonization is simply a call for violence.
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When you hear it at your place of work, your children's school, or by any government official,
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You need to voice your concern and explain to them that it is an extreme call for violence
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and extreme calls for violence have no place in Canada.
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So how can we fight back against the radical left, their newfound confidence to openly call
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for violence, or at least veiled calls for violence using terms like direct action, resistance,
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and decolonization, which we know are just euphemisms that mean violence and in some cases
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I wanted to bring in my friend and colleague, Rupa Subramania, to have a discussion on this
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I don't know if we always agree, especially on this issue, but I always really respect your
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position and the research that I thought that goes into it.
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So a couple of weeks ago on Twitter, there was a sort of brouhaha over a column by Warren
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He basically pointed to some of the very vicious pro-Hamas rallies and some of the sort of more
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vocal people that were more or less calling for genocide.
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And in his original tweet, he wrote this, again, if they're here on a visa or do not have
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I think that they deleted that tweet and changed the headline a little bit, watered it down a
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I believe that the latest version of the headline said, charge them, prosecute them, convict
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Either way, Ben Mulroney, who is the son of former Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, and he's
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a sort of well-known TV host in Canada, he quote tweeted, Warren Kinsella quote posted
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And he sort of took issue to it and said, you know, I don't like the fact that people's
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We're talking about deporting people just because we don't like their views.
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So I'm wondering if you could sort of expand on your thinking and talk about why you do
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not think we should deport people who promote and celebrate mass murder.
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Well, first of all, I mean, let's unpack what you said.
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I mean, you know, you're asserting they're celebrating mass murder.
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Your view may be that they're calling for mass murder.
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I've been to three of these rallies here in Ottawa.
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There are people who, there are all kinds of people who are part of this movement, including
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But let's stipulate for the sake of argument that saying river to the sea or free Palestine
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Now, that falls under criminal law and should be prosecuted as such.
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There is no legal, but there is no legal or ethical basis for deportation on such grounds
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It would be, first of all, it would be unconstitutional.
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And this is the kind of stuff that happens in totalitarian countries, countries in the
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Middle East, countries like China, where you question the state or you question Islam,
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You do get deported for crossing that red line.
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And the red line in these countries happens to be these things.
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I'm a free speech absolutist, but I want to make it clear that incitement to violence
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is where there's a clear red line for me there.
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So, for example, if you tell someone to go buy a gun and tell them to go and kill a bunch
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of people, that is not protected speech anywhere that I'm aware of, neither in the U.S. nor
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But we get into more difficult terrain, in my opinion, when it comes to expressions such
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as from the river to the sea and free Palestine.
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Now, on one reading of it, it would seem like this is a call for the destruction of Israel
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and this would not be considered protected speech.
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However, another reading is that this is just a trope or a refrain used on behalf of the
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Palestinian cause that goes back several decades.
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It is even used by entities such as the Palestinian Authority, which does not call for the destruction
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It does not wish to unhighlight Israel off the map.
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So it would be a stretch to say that this is an incitement to violence for someone to take
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Now, I want to point to, I mean, I don't know how much you want to go into this, but, you
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know, Candace, you and I spoke earlier about how this is a battle for civilization in a sense.
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I don't know if you want to go into that, but I'm happy to talk about it.
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Well, we can get into that in a minute, Rupa, because I just want to pick up on what you
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said, look, I don't think that Canada is immune from going down a totalitarian path.
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I think that we saw glimpses of that during COVID and with the trucker convoy and Trudeau
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just sort of quashing a protest simply because he doesn't like it.
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I think that we need to preserve the right to peaceful assembly, the right to protest
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Those are absolute cornerstones of our society.
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But when we're talking about the difference between a country like Canada, which is an open,
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diverse, tolerant, pluralistic society, we come across a sort of fundamental problem.
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I think it's an existential problem when we also pair that with mass unchecked immigration.
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So people are allowed to come from anywhere in the world.
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So for all we know of the people coming to Canada, they could all be fervent, you know,
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They could hate gay people and want to, you know, implement some kind of a law where we
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And so it's like sooner or later in a liberal democracy like Canada, we're going to have
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to deal with the problem that many people around the world hold views that are simply
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And I do believe it's a civilizational struggle.
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I think that Canada has made a lot of problems when it comes to just allowing anybody to come
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And then on top of that, you have this festering ideologies on college campuses, as I mentioned
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previously in the show, terms like decolonization, which people will openly say it means mass
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So again, you know, not to just simply repeat the question, but I'm wondering if you could
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get into like, how does a country like Canada preserve pluralism while also maintaining the
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Because I think that these people will happily use our freedoms against us.
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They don't actually believe in free speech rupa.
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Because as soon as it comes to people who criticize Islam, criticize the prophet, criticize even
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Hamas leaders, we saw a Washington Post cartoon taken down a couple of weeks ago because it
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You know, they're happy to use that sword against us.
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But then at the same time, when it suits them, they're going to drape themselves in the veil
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of we deserve free speech, we deserve peaceful protests or the right to free assembly.
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Well, we have to deal with it because it goes back to the fundamental tenets of Western
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Before I get into that, I want to address the values thing when it comes to citizenship.
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I don't think we should be allowing people who want to come to Canada and want to implement
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That's not going to that's not the direction in which we want to go.
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So so, for example, I think the U.S., as far as I am aware, expects you to sign a saying
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that you are you don't belong to a Communist Party or a Nazi Party or something to that effect.
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So, yes, I think we we could we could develop something along those lines for sure.
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Now, a lot of people have talked talked about this in terms of a civilizational battle, what
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But it's also that term has also been used in the context of free speech.
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You know, a clash of civilization, as Samuel Huntington put it.
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And so therefore, we must suppress views that we don't like.
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I think that by going down that route, we're actually undermining a core Western value that
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goes back to the Enlightenment, which is free and open debate.
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You might find that kind of speech deplorable and repugnant.
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But free speech is not about liking something or upholding the rights of views that we agree
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It is actually it comes down to protecting the protecting views that we disagree with.
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And that's the fundamental litmus test of free speech of any civilized society.
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Why is this a fundamental core of Western civilization?
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Well, our Western civilization was founded on two sets of ideas and cultures.
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One was Greece and Rome, and the other was the Judeo-Christian heritage.
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So Greece and Rome, all of the knowledge and antiquity accomplishments during classical antiquity,
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And then, you know, and then the Renaissance happened, which we discovered the glories of
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And then you had the Protestant Reformation, and then finally, the Enlightenment of the
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18th century, which included thinkers across Europe like Voltaire in France, Immanuel Kant
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in Germany, David Hume and Adam Smith in Great Britain.
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All of these thinkers of the Enlightenment agreed on one thing, which is free, open and civilized
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This was one of the fundamental tenets of a free, open and liberal society.
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They, you know, look at what happened to Galileo, who was persecuted by the Catholic Church for
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saying that the earth revolved around the sun and he had to recant his view just to save
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Let me remind you, all of this was happening in the context of the 18th century, which witnessed
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horrific wars and revolutions, you know, notably the Revolutionary War in the U.S. in 1776.
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And then you had the, as a consequence of that, you had the First Amendment in the U.S., which
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offers the most robust protection for free speech anywhere in the world.
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And then you had the French Revolution of 1789 and beyond, you know, which saw the high ideals
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of revolutionaries, you know, which was liberté, égalité and fraternité, subverted by a brutal
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The Enlightenment thinkers like David Hume, Adam Smith, John Stuart Mill, then you go into the 20th
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century, like Friedrich von Hayek and Milton Friedman, all of my heroes, put freedom of
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expression as a core fundamental value for any free and civilized society.
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So our Western civilization, as we know it right now, has been refracted through evolution over
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the centuries in one that prizes public reasoning based on free, open, and civilized debate as
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a way to discuss and resolve problems of public policy.
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So in the context of the current situation where you have these pro-Palestinian rallies,
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I think it would be absolutely detrimental to suppress these voices because all it's going
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to do is it's just going to move the stuff underground.
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Just look at what is happening in Germany right now.
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Has that reduced the number of anti-Semitic attacks?
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Can you, can someone actually say that is happening?
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I just want to jump in, though, because I agree with you on the value of the Enlightenment
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I'll just say that they all had a foundational and fundamental agreement, whether they wrote
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about it or not, whether they believe themselves to be theists or atheists or Christians.
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They all held a fundamental ideal of what it meant to be a citizen, what it meant to contribute,
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what it meant to be an equal member of society.
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And what I worry about, what I see today, is that we don't share that foundational belief,
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that that foundational belief has been torn apart and ripped apart, that we don't have
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And I agree that sometimes these bans, these ad hoc bans, aren't necessarily fixing the
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And I worry that that root of the problem is so foregone that I don't know how we can repair
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it, you know, starting by saying, look, we have these core values that we all have
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But I agree that you need to be able to think, you need to be able to critique the system,
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But I fear, and another example of this was the viral TikTok trend that we saw last week
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of young Americans talking about Osama bin Laden and their reverence for him and his letter
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to America and how it's changed their world and they're having an existential crisis.
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It's like when we don't have a core belief, when we don't have a message that unites our
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society that tells us why, tells a story to ourselves about why we're here, why what we're
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doing is important, why we all share, you know, a collective belief, which is something
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And so we're trying to save, preserve freedom of speech, but it's actually freedom of speech
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is one of the things that's helping to sort of unravel our whole civilization.
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We do have all of the core values, you know, with us.
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It's just that we've, we as a not you and I, because I think you and I have consistently
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stood up for individual liberties and freedom and that sort of thing.
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But Western society, at least over the last 10 years or so, has taken a wrong turn.
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You know, for the last few years, it was the left, the progressive left that presided over
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a culture of, you know, canceling people for views that they disagreed with.
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And, and, and, and, you know, and especially so here in Canada.
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But all we have right now is to continue to, all we can do right now is to continue to uphold
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these rights values, stand up for them every single time that it is under threat.
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I see the free speech debate, the free expression debate.
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For me, it is not specific to a certain crisis, not specific to a certain issue.
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I look at these things and it is not an emotional issue for me.
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And, and look what happened during the pandemic, right?
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The pandemic was sold to us as an existential crisis.
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That was basically the messaging from our public health authorities.
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Some of us, including myself, momentary, momentarily believe that messaging.
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Um, and, and, and so there was this mass justification, uh, for the curtailment of our civil liberties
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It was imposed on us saying this was an emergency, uh, doctors who dissented were canceled and
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Um, and, uh, you know, and then you saw the freedom convoy and people who supported the
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And, and I, I, I fear that we are repeating the same mistake here.
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Um, I find many of the things that are being said at these protests, absolutely abhorrent.
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I remember walking, uh, in downtown Ottawa two years ago, a year and a half ago, there was
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another protest reacting to something that was happening, um, uh, in, in between Israel
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and Hamas and, uh, these, you know, everybody was chanting from the river to the sea, free
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Palestine and so on and so forth, intifada, uh, and all of that stuff.
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My point is that, you know, we have to allow this to, we, we have to allow, uh, views that
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we find absolutely abhorrent, we have to, we have to allow that because it is not going
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to, you're not going to destroy Hamas ideology or radical Islam or any of the things that we
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We're not going to destroy that by suppressing someone else's right to express that, uh, freely.
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I think the, the only way we can, uh, do that is through debate.
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And, and even if the other party does not engage in debate, we must, we must insist on upholding
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I, I, I definitely see where you're coming from and I, and I appreciate your defense of,
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of sort of basis of, of, of freedom of speech and, and, and fighting against sort of tyrannical
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I'm just going to ask you a couple of questions because I know, you know, you said that a lot
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So from the river to the sea, it's nuanced, perhaps you could say that it doesn't mean what
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we think it means, uh, but some of the words, you know, we've been seeing more and more,
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Uh, if someone calls for jihad, do you think that that's, that's a call for violence?
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Again, it's, uh, I mean, this is a discussion I had with a senior official in the UK, uh,
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when I was working on my free speech in the UK story last week, and, uh, we had this very
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Uh, now he's, you know, uh, said that he, he wants to basically see these protests banned,
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It's hard to, you know, from, from, from, uh, um, from a legal perspective, it really
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You know, it, you know, everything is context specific, right?
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Jihad, a Muslim will tell you it is an internal battle, but we also know that it means, uh,
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I think, I think, I think most Muslims won't say that Rupa.
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I think most Muslims will say that, that jihad has long been understood to mean a physical.
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I mean, the Muslims that I, I, I have, uh, I, I have interacted, I've lived in the Middle
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It is, it is up for interpretation, just like intifada, intifada, uh, again, uh, has been,
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Uh, nobody had any problems, uh, using the word intifada in the context of the Arab spring.
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You see, the thing is, even, even having said all of that, you and I can disagree on what
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My point is that it is still, as far as I'm concerned, it is still protected speech.
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If there's active support for a terrorist cause, material support for a terrorist cause, let's
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There are people in Canada, in, in, in our cities who take, uh, out floats and parades glorifying,
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It, it makes, it makes me sick when I see that.
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But, but I hope I uphold the right to free expression as long as they're doing it peacefully,
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Including the mastermind of the Air India bombing?
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You think if, if someone's holding up a banner-
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Again, it goes back to the core value of Western civilization, which is what I care about.
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Um, you know, it is for me, the litmus test of free speech really is not if you agree with
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someone, but if you strongly disagree with someone and you respect their right to speak
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freely, that's the litmus test for a civilized society.
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And I just don't, I've lived in repressive societies where, uh, you know, things are
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interpreted differently by someone who wants to come after you.
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And I've, I've faced the consequences of that and I've seen others face the consequences
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And we are, uh, going down a slippery slope here in Canada.
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We've already, we came very close to being a totalitarian society under the pandemic.
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And I seriously, I do not want us to go down the same path.
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Rupra, Supermania, thank you so much for joining.
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I'm Candice Malcolm, and this is The Candice Malcolm Show.
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I'm Candice Malcolm, and this is The Candice Malcolm Show.