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00:00:00.000 The Trudeau government would like to ban critical thinking.

00:00:02.740 They'd like to criminalize uncomfortable questions surrounding the media's frankly absurd narrative

00:00:07.600 when it comes to Canada's residential school programs, claims and narratives, by the way,

00:00:12.060 that have been completely debunked and discredited over the past few years.

00:00:16.200 Well, if the Trudeau government moves forward with this bill,

00:00:18.800 commentary like the one you're watching right now,

00:00:20.940 critical questions like the ones you've come to expect from us at True North,

00:00:24.160 and even just simply a journalist asking for corroborating evidence

00:00:27.880 about the media narratives surrounding residential schools could soon become illegal in Canada.

00:00:32.700 I'm Candice Malcolm, and this is The Candice Malcolm Show.

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00:00:59.380 Okay, so you may have missed a story. It came out over the weekend.

00:01:02.240 It's a CP article, so that means that it appeared throughout the legacy media.

00:01:05.720 This is what the headline said.

00:01:07.160 Special interlocutor waiting for MP Bill criminalizing residential school denialism.

00:01:13.500 Well, this one piqued my interest, so I decided I would read it through in its entirety for you on the show,

00:01:18.720 and we'll go through it just to show how troublesome, how scary it is if the Trudeau government is to move ahead.

00:01:26.880 So here we go. Ottawa.

00:01:28.800 Canada's justice minister is considering options raised by the independent advisor on Unmarked Graves,

00:01:34.540 who says Indigenous leaders want Canada to move on criminalizing residential school denialism.

00:01:40.340 Kimberly Murray called on lawmakers to consider legal mechanisms

00:01:43.440 that could address the practice of denying or minimalizing the abuses Indigenous children suffered at residential schools

00:01:50.240 in her interim report released back in June.

00:01:53.120 One way to do this is by amending the criminal code to criminalize such actions,

00:01:57.260 Murray said in a recent interview, noting Ottawa did so last year on the issue of Holocaust denialism.

00:02:03.120 We could do the same for Indigenous people, she said.

00:02:05.100 Okay, so here we go. This is what she's talking about.

00:02:18.780 She wants to make it an offense to incite hate. 0.99

00:02:21.200 Well, wait a minute. It already is an offense in the criminal code to incite hate.

00:02:25.120 That's against the law in Canada.

00:02:26.260 But she wants to make it an offense to incite hate by denying that residential schools happened 0.54

00:02:32.780 or by downplaying what happened in those institutions.

00:02:36.420 Well, isn't that cute?

00:02:37.500 That would mean that by simply denying what happened or downplaying or saying,

00:02:42.280 hey, it wasn't so bad or some people had a good experience or, hey, you know,

00:02:45.920 those unmarked graves that the media told you about, well, that never really happened

00:02:49.480 or when they did any kind of excavation, they didn't find anything.

00:02:52.320 Any of that would now be the same thing as inciting hate or promoting hate

00:02:57.820 or inciting violence against a group.

00:03:00.100 So basically any kind of critical discussion around residential schools,

00:03:04.340 around the media narrative surrounding residential schools,

00:03:06.940 any critical questions, any demands for evidence,

00:03:09.860 any of the kind of thing, frankly, that you've come to expect from True North

00:03:13.280 and the many reports that we've done on this topic,

00:03:16.660 that would all presumably be illegal if this were to move forward.

00:03:21.120 I'll continue reading.

00:03:22.220 This is another quote from Kimberly Murray,

00:03:24.300 the special advisor that the Trudeau government appointed.

00:03:26.940 Keep this in mind.

00:03:27.800 They appointed this woman to create a report so that she could come back to them 1.00

00:03:32.120 and tell them to implement a law.

00:03:33.900 So this isn't just some sort of organic process here.

00:03:36.860 The Trudeau government set this up.

00:03:38.000 They found this person.

00:03:39.100 They hired her to come in and create this report. 0.77

00:03:41.480 And now this report has been written.

00:03:42.740 And she's lobbying the government to introduce her recommendations. 0.62

00:03:45.880 So Murray says,

00:03:47.940 Everybody in leadership, when I speak about this, Indigenous leadership,

00:03:51.400 they all want that amendment to happen in the criminal code.

00:03:55.240 So according to her, it's unanimous.

00:03:57.280 Everybody in First Nations, everyone in Indigenous leadership agrees that it should happen.

00:04:01.840 And therefore, no questions, it should happen.

00:04:04.600 I'll continue reading from this news report.

00:04:06.160 More than 150,000 First Nations, Métis, and Inuit children were placed into the government-funded

00:04:12.420 church-run residential school system, which was largely overseen by the Catholic Church.

00:04:17.720 The Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Canada, which spent six years investigating the system,

00:04:21.940 heard from thousands of survivors who experienced physical, emotional, sexual, and spiritual abuse,

00:04:26.600 as well as neglect and maltrition.

00:04:28.460 I'll just make a quick note.

00:04:29.380 One day I'll do an entire show about the Truth and Reconciliation Commission,

00:04:32.640 because it was basically a farce.

00:04:34.300 It was completely one-sided, it was completely unscientific, very emotional.

00:04:38.640 It wasn't a serious, rigorous study.

00:04:41.200 It wasn't done by the RCMP.

00:04:42.780 It wasn't a criminal investigation.

00:04:45.220 It was very, let's just say, very social science.

00:04:48.940 It very much came out of the universities, and it was basically just about listening and hearing.

00:04:55.340 There's a reason why the Truth and Reconciliation made hundreds of recommendations,

00:04:58.620 most of which were ignored, because frankly, most of which were so extreme and absurd

00:05:03.720 that even left-wing governments haven't implemented them since.

00:05:07.940 We'll continue with the story.

00:05:09.480 An estimated 6,000 Indigenous children died at these institutions,

00:05:12.780 while many experts believe the number to be higher.

00:05:15.700 The National Center for Truth and Reconciliation have recorded the names of more than 4,000 who died.

00:05:20.400 So let's just stop for a moment and think about this critically.

00:05:23.280 So they claim that out of the 150,000 children who attended these schools, more than 6,000,

00:05:29.860 at least 6,000, experts say the number is much higher.

00:05:32.840 But of those 6,000 they claim have died,

00:05:35.100 they've only been able to record the names of 4,000 children who died.

00:05:40.040 So they're saying that there's a more than 2,000 children gap between those who have been recorded

00:05:45.480 and those who they claim have died.

00:05:48.040 Can you imagine, just for a second, that you're a parent or a family that sends your children off to school?

00:05:54.400 They never come back.

00:05:56.080 They die in the school, is the claim here.

00:05:59.160 And yet, you don't even bother reporting it.

00:06:01.360 You don't even have their names.

00:06:02.940 You don't even have any kind of records that these children exist.

00:06:05.900 This is why there's skepticism around this issue.

00:06:08.980 Because you would think that if a child went missing,

00:06:11.780 if a child died at school while going to boarding school,

00:06:14.780 that the parents would, at the very least, have that child's name.

00:06:17.580 Maybe they don't have a birth record.

00:06:19.100 Maybe they don't have record of the child registering in school.

00:06:22.040 I don't know why.

00:06:23.000 But you would think that they would at least have the name of a child.

00:06:25.880 So the fact that they're saying that there are more than 2,000 children who have died,

00:06:30.300 that we don't even know who they were or how their name is, I'm sorry.

00:06:33.420 I find that very hard to believe.

00:06:34.840 I'm skeptical of that claim.

00:06:36.760 I would like to see more evidence about this.

00:06:39.540 So I continue reading from the report.

00:06:42.900 Despite this evidence, Murray highlighted in her June report,

00:06:45.700 what she said is a concerning rise in denialism tied to what survivors and communities say

00:06:51.320 about children who went missing or died at these institutions

00:06:54.260 and are possibly buried in unmarked graves.

00:06:57.660 Okay.

00:06:58.080 So she's saying despite this evidence, I'm sorry, what evidence?

00:07:01.060 What evidence are you saying despite this evidence?

00:07:03.340 You're saying that you have 4,000 names, but that there's over 6,000 who died.

00:07:07.080 That's not really evidence.

00:07:07.820 That's sort of a lack of evidence.

00:07:09.060 And then she says that there's a concerning rise in denialism tied to what survivors and communities say

00:07:15.520 about children who went missing or died and those who are possibly buried in unmarked graves.

00:07:20.340 So two things.

00:07:21.260 One, denying what people say about children.

00:07:24.300 And then second, denying the possibility that things are buried.

00:07:28.100 Hmm.

00:07:28.600 I wonder why there's concern about the murkiness here.

00:07:30.840 So you're not allowed to deny what people say.

00:07:33.340 What if what people say isn't true?

00:07:34.860 What if people exaggerate or what if they misremember?

00:07:36.960 You can't deny just what someone says.

00:07:39.400 We're not talking about facts or evidence.

00:07:40.740 We're talking about just claims or what people say.

00:07:43.540 I'm sorry.

00:07:44.220 Canada is a free country.

00:07:45.580 You should be able to question what people say.

00:07:48.300 And secondly, again, we're not talking about hard evidence.

00:07:50.500 We're saying that the people that there are possibly buried in unmarked graves,

00:07:54.240 that there's children possibly buried.

00:07:55.980 That word possible shows that we're not entirely sure.

00:07:59.540 And again, that should be open for discussion and debate in a free country like Canada.

00:08:04.360 I'll continue.

00:08:04.980 Attention to the deaths and disappearance of these children increased greatly when,

00:08:08.860 in May 2021, the Te Kamloops to Sequimquip Nation announced that ground-penetrating radar

00:08:13.740 had located what are believed to be unmarked graves of more than 200 children

00:08:18.420 at the site of a former residential school in Kamloops, B.C.

00:08:22.480 Since then, dozens more First Nations across Western Canada and parts of Ontario have begun

00:08:26.280 their own searches.

00:08:27.680 Federal ministers have acknowledged that work could take years

00:08:30.740 and has pledged millions to assist communities.

00:08:33.960 Murray, who says she is herself the target of denialism, reported back in June that each

00:08:39.800 time an announcement of a discovery is made, the community that shares the news is inundated

00:08:44.860 with calls, emails, social media posted in-person confrontations.

00:08:48.300 Okay.

00:08:48.460 So again, this woman, Murray, claims that she herself is a target of denialism with no evidence,

00:08:54.740 no claims, no details of what that means.

00:08:57.020 What do you mean the target of denialism?

00:08:59.280 Like, like people ask you questions?

00:09:01.260 People write skeptical posts on social media?

00:09:04.140 Again, we need more details here because this is really, really murky.

00:09:07.340 And then she says, anytime a community makes a claim, they're inundated with calls, emails,

00:09:12.660 social media posted in-person confrontations.

00:09:14.280 Okay.

00:09:14.600 I've been in the news business for a bit of time here.

00:09:16.900 And let me just tell you, if you put out a report claiming that teachers, nuns, and priests

00:09:24.080 mass murder children at your school, you're going to get some interest.

00:09:27.500 You're going to get some interest.

00:09:28.340 If you put out a news release claiming that you have been the victim of mass murder, your

00:09:33.360 community has been the victim of mass murder, you're going to get people emailing you.

00:09:37.340 You're going to get people calling you.

00:09:38.540 You're going to get social media posts.

00:09:39.880 You're going to even get met with some skepticism.

00:09:42.280 That's the way the world works.

00:09:43.480 If you want to make absolutely shocking, shocking claims about Canada, you want to make these

00:09:49.800 kind of accusations, you're going to get a response.

00:09:52.940 And if you get a response, that doesn't make it a crime.

00:09:55.640 It's not a crime to call someone, to email someone, to make social media posts, or to show

00:10:00.420 up in person to ask questions.

00:10:01.860 That's all just sort of normal part of a society, of a democracy.

00:10:05.720 That's the way the media works.

00:10:06.840 I'll tell you, when these communities released these reports, I was emailing them.

00:10:10.140 I was calling them.

00:10:10.940 I wanted to interview them.

00:10:11.920 I wanted to ask questions.

00:10:13.020 I had a lot of questions.

00:10:14.340 Many of my questions still remain unanswered, but just the very fact, they're putting out

00:10:18.500 such alarming, shocking claims, and then they're upset that they're getting inundated with calls.

00:10:23.360 I'm sorry.

00:10:23.900 That is absurd.

00:10:24.740 That is not the way a free society works.

00:10:27.140 You can't control that.

00:10:28.180 You can't control that.

00:10:29.140 You can't stop that.

00:10:29.960 People are going to be interested, and that's just the way of the world.

00:10:33.180 Okay, let's keep reading here.

00:10:34.440 The former executive director of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission and member of

00:10:38.800 the Canestaki Mohawk Nation in Quebec was appointed in June 2022 to take on a two-year

00:10:44.180 mandate as an independent advisor to the federal government.

00:10:46.860 She's been tasked with recommending how Ottawa could better help communities and protect possible

00:10:51.320 burial sites, and her final report is due next year.

00:10:55.020 Just again, keep that in mind.

00:10:56.200 We've gotten an interim report that came in June, but her actual report isn't even out

00:11:00.620 yet.

00:11:00.920 It doesn't get released until 2024.

00:11:03.260 So again, you might ask, why is this news report out then?

00:11:06.420 The final report hasn't even been released.

00:11:08.680 Why are we already talking about legislation?

00:11:10.440 Why is she already pushing for legislation, going to the media and making these statements 1.00

00:11:15.680 when her final report haven't even been issued?

00:11:18.440 Can't we read the final report before we jump to legal mechanisms and conclusions here?

00:11:23.160 Wouldn't that sort of be the normal process?

00:11:24.760 Apparently not.

00:11:25.960 Since Murray's appointment, Arif Verrani replaced Montreal MP David Lamedi as Canada's

00:11:30.260 Justice Minister.

00:11:31.500 When Murray released her interim report, which contained nearly 50 findings, including a

00:11:35.600 call for legal tools to tackle residential school denialism, Lamedi expressed an openness

00:11:40.120 to doing so, including the possibility of outlawing such talk.

00:11:43.980 When asked whether Verrani is open to the same, a spokesperson in his office said the minister

00:11:48.360 is, quote, considering the options raised in Ms. Murray's interim report and looks forward

00:11:53.140 to receiving her recommendations in the final report, unquote.

00:11:56.960 We must not ignore the lasting impact these schools had on Indigenous peoples and intergenerational

00:12:01.140 trauma that continues to be felt today.

00:12:02.840 The denial of the atrocities that took place is painful for survivors or families and communities,

00:12:07.180 said a statement from Mr. Verrani's office.

00:12:09.840 Ms. Murray's final recommendations will be critical for putting in place a federal legal

00:12:13.720 framework that will preserve and protect rights and respect the dignity of the children

00:12:18.860 and buried in unmarked graves and burial sites connected to residential schools, she added.

00:12:23.440 In the meantime, Murray says she hopes to see NDP MP Leah Gazan bring forward her private

00:12:29.060 members' bill seeking to criminalize such denialism, as the parliamentarian has indicated that she

00:12:34.620 will.

00:12:35.440 Asked recently about its status, the Winnipeg representative said, there is something in the

00:12:39.240 works.

00:12:39.680 She later confirmed she remains committed to bringing it forward, but the timing remains

00:12:43.740 unclear.

00:12:44.080 I'm really hopeful that she will and would support her in that, and survivors want to

00:12:48.960 support her in that, said Murray.

00:12:50.340 We're sort of holding our breath, waiting, hoping that she'll do it in November, end quote.

00:12:54.800 So again, just to get this straight, the person who wrote this report, Kimberly Murray, has a

00:13:01.120 report, the interim reports out, the final one doesn't come out until 2024, and she's pressuring

00:13:05.000 an NDP MP to put forward a private member bill to criminalize speech surrounding residential

00:13:09.840 schools before the report has even been released.

00:13:12.440 The liberals said that once the report is released, they will consider all legal actions, and

00:13:17.820 frankly, it seems like they're pretty enthusiastic about creating such a bill to criminalize speech

00:13:22.400 around First Nations residential schools.

00:13:25.820 And yet here we are, months before the report is even finished, and she's pressuring a NDP

00:13:31.700 MP to put forward a bill.

00:13:33.620 It really doesn't make sense.

00:13:35.120 Why wouldn't we just wait for the report to come out?

00:13:37.700 Why are we talking about this in the media?

00:13:39.060 Why is this Kimberly Murray person pushing this report in the media, talking to the media? 0.94

00:13:44.040 I don't quite understand that.

00:13:45.580 Okay, just a little bit left in the article here.

00:13:47.680 It says, last year, Ghazan brought forward a motion to the House of Commons that called

00:13:51.520 on Parliament to recognize the residential school system as genocide, which it did.

00:13:56.260 Conservative leader, Pierre Polyev's spokesperson, Sebastian Skamski, has not responded to a request

00:14:02.440 about whether the Tories would support a push to criminalize residential school denialism.

00:14:07.240 And that's the end of the story.

00:14:08.420 Okay, just a couple points here.

00:14:09.880 First of all, I want to note how sad it is that the entire House of Commons decided to

00:14:15.380 recognize the residential school program as genocide.

00:14:18.020 Look, genocide has a very specific meaning.

00:14:20.380 It's supposed to be reserved for the worst atrocities carried out by a civilization against 0.86

00:14:26.160 another group of people.

00:14:27.020 It was coined after the Holocaust to describe what the Nazis did to the Jews.

00:14:31.500 It's only been used a handful of times since then.

00:14:34.580 And the idea is a purposeful program of systematic mass murder with the intent of eliminating an

00:14:41.920 entire group of people, killing an entire group of people.

00:14:44.240 So, you know, we can have a lot of criticism about the residential school.

00:14:47.520 We can say it was an absolute failed program.

00:14:49.480 There's unspeakable abuses that happened.

00:14:51.380 It was clearly a failed program, clearly very misguided, lots of bad things about it.

00:14:56.280 But that does not mean it was genocide.

00:14:58.940 We can't go back in time and pretend that the intention of the residential school system

00:15:04.000 was the same as the intention of concentration camps by the Nazis.

00:15:08.800 I'm sorry, those are just not the same thing.

00:15:10.560 The purpose of residential school program was to integrate, was to provide education,

00:15:15.340 create tools for people to succeed.

00:15:17.780 The intentions, as much as the program failed, the intentions were good.

00:15:21.280 The intentions were to take a community that was impoverished, that was having problems,

00:15:26.100 and help them integrate into the modern advanced economy.

00:15:31.580 Okay, obviously it failed, but the intention that was there was good.

00:15:35.600 It was to help people.

00:15:36.620 It was not to mass murder.

00:15:38.120 It was not genocide.

00:15:39.360 It was not genocide.

00:15:40.400 And I am sorry to see that the conservatives voted in favor of that bill.

00:15:44.580 I disagree with it strongly.

00:15:46.060 Now, next, as far as the purpose of this whole thing, notice in this entire story, which

00:15:51.220 used that phrase denialism multiple times, probably about a dozen times,

00:15:56.100 didn't once even attempt to define the word, didn't attempt to create any kind of clarity

00:16:01.580 as to what denialism actually means.

00:16:05.260 Is media questions, media questions surrounding a claim, is that denialism?

00:16:10.260 Is showing some skepticism, is that denialism?

00:16:12.920 Is asking critical questions, asking for evidence, and when there is no evidence, pointing that

00:16:17.940 out, is that denialism?

00:16:19.320 I fear that it is.

00:16:20.840 It seems pretty clear that that's the way that they are heading.

00:16:23.580 It seems like the media is cheering this on.

00:16:26.000 It seems that the liberal government is willing to do something about it.

00:16:28.820 The NDP is pushing for something.

00:16:30.920 The indigenous leadership, according to this report, says that they're all in favor of it.

00:16:35.580 So it's probably just a matter of time.

00:16:37.460 I don't really expect much from the conservatives on this, given that they basically capitulated

00:16:41.760 to describing a residential school system as genocide despite the effort.

00:16:46.040 So not very optimistic about this one, but until it's a law banning this kind of speech,

00:16:51.620 I can continue to expect to hear critical thinking and critical questions on this program

00:16:56.860 from us here at TrueNor.

00:16:58.420 Thank you so much for tuning in.

00:16:59.840 I'm Candace Malcolm, and this is The Candace Malcolm Show.

00:17:11.760 Thank you so much for tuning in.

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