00:08:48.540Our border is already safe and secure.
00:08:53.120Far less than 1% of fentanyl flows and less than 1% of illegal crossings into the United States comes from Canada.
00:09:00.920But we acted because we know we can always do better.
00:09:07.820We responded to concerns, including from the president, by implementing an ambitious $1.3 billion border plan.
00:09:15.620A border plan that includes generational investments in new AI and imaging tools to stop the flow of fentanyl in its tracks, stronger coordination and information sharing with American agencies, along with the deployment of drones, helicopters, and additional personnel to keep our borders secure.
00:09:37.240now a month ago as part of an agreement with the united states that paused the tariffs
00:09:43.480we made further commitments we appointed kevin brusso as our fentanyl czar a man who dedicated
00:09:52.180his multi-decade career in law enforcement to combating organized crime networks and drug
00:09:58.160trafficking we designated seven drug cartels sick evil groups who cynically profit off the pain and
00:10:06.800suffering of people on both sides of the border as the terrorist organizations that they are.
00:10:13.800And just yesterday, we launched a new joint operations partnership supported by a $200
00:10:20.640million investment between Canada's security and law enforcement agencies, a partnership
00:10:27.660that will enhance the coordination of information and intelligence in order to thwart criminal
00:10:33.180gangs involved in the illegal fentanyl trade.
00:10:36.800and critically our actions are working as the u.s states as the u.s customs and border protection
00:10:47.020just acknowledged there was a 97 percent drop in fentanyl seizures from january compared to
00:10:55.780December to a near zero low of less than half an ounce seized in January, even with all the further
00:11:08.140enforcements and actions we've taken at the borders. In sum, we stepped up. We engaged closely
00:11:17.620and constructively with the President and his administration. We did everything we promised.
00:11:23.800We stuck to our word, and we did it because we believe in working together to protect our citizens.
00:11:35.340Now I want to speak directly to one specific American, Donald.
00:11:43.320In the over eight years you and I have worked together, we've done big things.
00:11:50.300We signed a historic deal that has created record jobs and growth in both of our countries.
00:11:58.500We've done big things together on the world stage, as Canada and the U.S. have done together for decades, for generations.
00:12:07.360And now, we should be working together to ensure even greater prosperity for North Americans in a very uncertain and challenging world.
00:12:23.100Now, it's not in my habit to agree with the Wall Street Journal.
00:12:27.880But Donald, they point out that even though you're a very smart guy, this is a very dumb thing to do.
00:12:37.360We, two friends, fighting is exactly what our opponents around the world want to see.
00:12:48.520And now, to my fellow Canadians, I won't sugarcoat it.
00:12:54.540This is going to be tough, even though we're all going to pull together, because that's what we do.
00:13:01.040We will use every tool at our disposal so Canadian workers and businesses can weather this storm.
00:13:08.040From expanding EI benefits and making them more flexible to providing direct supports to businesses,
00:13:34.600We will take measures to prevent predatory behavior that threatens Canadian companies
00:13:40.060because of the impacts of this trade war, leaving them open to takeovers.
00:13:45.960We will relentlessly fight to protect our economy.
00:13:50.400We will stand up for Canadians every single second of every single day
00:13:56.620because this country is worth fighting for.
00:14:01.040Okay. We can cut it there, Mon. So, I mean, Justin Trudeau kind of coming out and giving
00:14:10.360the speech of his life, basically, and really like spelling it out. First of all, he takes
00:14:15.980kind of an unnecessary jab at the beginning, talking about Putin. I think he's trying to
00:14:19.800like insert himself into the dispute that happened last week, calling him an atrocious
00:14:23.640murderer. His tone was kind of condescending at the beginning, Hamish, especially when
00:14:28.040was talking to Americans because he was telling Americans that they were going to feel the pain.
00:14:31.660And all I was thinking was, no, man, it's the Canadians that are going to feel the pain. Like,
00:14:35.480yes, there will be pockets of Americans that will feel this, but their economy is just so
00:14:40.280much larger than ours. Ours is such a fraction of it, so much more dependent upon their economy
00:14:44.520for trade than vice versa. So the message that he was supposedly giving to Americans,
00:14:47.960I felt like it really should have been aimed at Canadians. That moment where he was talking to
00:14:52.880President Trump one-on-one, I thought that was actually quite effective, even though I don't
00:14:56.120like. I cringe when I hear politicians using first names to one another. I just think it's
00:15:00.580really inappropriate. But, you know, we were talking about that with President Zelensky in
00:15:05.420the Oval Office, and he kept referring to the vice president as J.D., which I just I didn't like
00:15:09.460that. But basically just saying there's no justification or need whatsoever for these
00:15:14.340tariffs, spelling out what the Canadians had done to improve the border, to crack down on fentanyl.
00:15:18.700I think that those are all really reasonable, good points, Hamish. But to me, there was like
00:15:22.140he was missing he was missing the forest for the tree like he some of the just the major takeaways
00:15:27.580here it's like dustin trudeau does not have a mandate at this moment president trump does not
00:15:32.720like prime minister dustin trudeau part of the reason that we're in here you have to believe
00:15:36.640is that these two individuals just don't see eye to eye they don't like each other they they kind
00:15:41.200of enjoy making a spectacle of one another because their politics are so opposite so we don't have
00:15:46.000a strong government in canada that just came in with a mandate we have a lame duck leader who's
00:15:50.560loathed and despised by the people on his way out. He shouldn't be up there, right? He resigned on
00:15:56.060January 6th. We could have had a federal election. We could have had an election. He could have put
00:16:00.800someone else in. They could have had the election. We could be sitting here on March 4th with a new
00:16:05.260fresh mandate and a new leader. But instead, Justin Trudeau has decided for himself to go out
00:16:10.920this way, proroguing parliament, having a long leadership review process, and they're going to
00:16:15.220put in their new prime minister on Sunday. To me, that's a story that Trudeau just seems to be
00:16:21.440completely missing. What's your take on it? Look, I think a lot of this is a result of Trudeau's
00:16:27.360weakness and Trudeau's disastrous time as prime minister, right? Canada, the reason Trump is
00:16:31.960coming after Canada, you know, in a large sense, and I agree that it's not about specific security
00:16:38.440or national defense issues or even drug issues that are sort of the fig leaves for this.
00:16:45.220is that he sees Canada as an easy source of places to get jobs.
00:16:49.620He wants one of his core promises and what he wants to deliver
00:16:52.360is more manufacturing jobs, specifically manufacturing jobs in the United States.
00:16:57.040Those are good, high-paying jobs that will go to places
00:17:01.160and to the sort of people who are Trump supporters.
00:17:04.300That is something he sees he wants to deliver for his people.
00:17:07.420And part of that is to bring jobs back from China, but that takes time.
00:17:11.440The easier thing to do is to create instability in the relationship with Canada and, frankly, with Mexico, so that if you're somebody who relies on shipping auto parts across the border, even if these tariffs go away in two, three, six months, six weeks, I don't know, to say, I don't want to go through this again.
00:17:29.800I'm just going to move my auto parts plant from Windsor, Ontario.
00:17:34.760We're going to move it down to Kentucky or somewhere because I just don't want to have to have that sort of disruption.
00:17:38.620so the disruption is the purpose and that's what trump's trying to do and when trio is saying this
00:17:47.260is going to hurt he's right it's going to hurt americans you're absolutely right it's going to
00:17:50.140hurt canadians a heck of a lot more that's also kind of the point he will trump wants that pain
00:17:55.720he wants the disruption so that people say i don't want to deal with this garbage anymore and just
00:18:00.020move my my plants or our factories uh south of the border that's what he's trying to do and
00:18:06.920And, you know, we're in a position as Canadians in our Canadian economy that we have less ability to stand up to that today than we did 10 years ago because of persistent decisions Trudeau has made.
00:18:16.980You're right. Trudeau is, you know, being a weak leader and that Trump sees him as a weak leader.
00:18:21.760And since really since Freeland resigned and then Trudeau has resigned, the weakness has only gotten more.
00:18:29.660And that's why Trump's pushing hard today, because, you know, if the liberal, I honestly believe if the liberal leadership had been set that we had a prime minister, you know, two days ago, as opposed to, you know, in five or six days, and we had a new leader, the terrorists would have come in a week ago.
00:18:46.860He's coming in when Canada's at, he's hitting us when Canada's at its weakest, and we're the weakest right now with Justin Trudeau.
00:18:52.340And it seems like our response, Hamish, is not going to help. Like the whole idea here that we're throwing retaliatory tariffs on the U.S., it's a tax on Canadians. A retaliatory tariff is a tax on Canadians. So the hurt that Canadians are going to feel, it's going to be a little bit from what Trump is doing, but it's a lot more what our own leaders are doing.
00:19:11.720So here is Doug Ford appearing on American News last night and NBC News with Aaron Gilchrist, basically saying that they're going to shut down the electricity going to the United States so that the Americans will feel the pain like they've never felt before.
00:19:25.320If he wants to destroy our economy and our families, I will shut down the electricity going down to the U.S.
00:23:29.420A hundred billion dollars is a big amount.
00:23:31.880The U.S. economy is 20, somewhere between 25 and 30 trillion dollars, depending on how you measure GDP without getting into the weeds.
00:23:40.580So, you know, a hundred billion dollars on a 25 to 30 trillion dollar economy is like finding a loony on the sidewalk and thinking you've got to you've made it rich.
00:24:15.240We want these retaliatory tariffs because really what they are is a tax-efficient agent.
00:24:17.860So I'm going to play that clip and then I'll go back to you, Hamish.
00:24:21.640Trudeau said that they would issue retaliatory tariffs against the Americans, 25 percent.
00:24:26.540You came out in a basic agreement with that saying that you would also support.
00:24:29.920So my question is, a tariff that Canada imposes is really just a 25 percent tax on the goods that we import.
00:24:37.720So it's a 25 percent tax on what Canadians pay for.
00:24:40.620So why is a conservative leader agreeing with basically a 25 percent liberal tax increase?
00:24:47.860Well, I don't agree with any liberal tax increase of any kind ever. But I do believe that if a foreign government attacks Canadian industry, that we have to retaliate. That is the only tool we have to deter. These tariff threats from the United States are utterly unjustified. There is no justification for what Mr. President Trump is threatening on Canada.
00:25:07.140so that was back on february 13th but the issue still remains pertinent so i i hear your point
00:25:13.940that the other measures that are non-tariff measures might be more effective than the
00:25:18.400tariffs themselves i'm not a fan of a 25 tax on canadians and i don't think it's going to work
00:25:22.500right like if if we were at the point where you know we we turn we turn on this tax and it actually
00:25:27.340has a devastating impact on the american economy and trump wakes up tomorrow morning and says this
00:25:30.580is a big mistake i'm going to undo them i just don't i don't see that happening so at this point
00:25:34.980I just don't understand why Canada is in such a weak position.
00:25:38.240Why are we making ourselves weaker with this tax?
00:25:42.420I think you have to stand up for yourselves.
00:25:43.940I think you have to, there will be an impact.
00:25:45.860And as I think one of the commenters made in a lot of red states, which I think will hopefully help when members of Congress begin to start hearing complaints from their constituents, that will filter up to the president, hopefully.
00:26:01.920But I also think the other thing Mr. Paglius proposed is a really good idea of saying, if we're going to have these tariffs, let's make sure we take any revenue collected from them and put them into immediate tax cuts for Canadians, so that if we are going to all have to pay more for certain things that are imported, we'll all have a little more money in our pocket.
00:26:21.100And I appreciate that will allow people to get ahead to some extent in a very difficult situation.
00:26:32.100But I think we do have to stand up for ourselves because the most important thing, I think, from the beginning is that, as I said at the very beginning of this, Trump smells weakness.
00:26:41.100And I think if we don't put anything back, he'll just see it as more weakness and he'll say, great, 25 percent, let's make it 35.
00:26:48.100So I think we have to stand up for ourselves and say that we are going to have to inflict some pain going the other way as well, while recognizing we can do far less damage to the American economy than they can to us.
00:26:59.800Well, here is Immigration Minister Mark Miller.
00:27:02.680He was on CBC, and he said that it's OK because Canadians, he says, have a higher pain threshold, apparently, than Americans.
00:27:11.840And it will continue to be important to diversify our economies, but we can't replace an economy that is responsible for 80% of our trade overnight and it's going to hurt. My message to Canadians is that we have a higher pain threshold than our partners to the south of us. We can continue to fight. We will have to bring the fight and it will hurt Americans as well.
00:27:34.560And not to be outdone, NDP leader Jagmeet Singh was out there last night saying that it's time for Trudeau to basically kick Donald Trump out of the G7 and uninvite him from the upcoming G7 meeting in Alberta.
00:27:53.080Given that we are the host of the G7 summit and given that Donald Trump has threatened
00:27:59.320our very sovereignty, threatened our economic security, we should not invite Donald Trump
00:28:05.920to the G7. It doesn't make any sense to do so. As a host, we should work with other countries
00:28:10.800to develop a strategy on how we can resist the very dangerous ideas that Donald Trump's
00:28:16.580putting forward. And that should be the focus of the summit.
00:28:19.040I mean, forget about Singh's comments there because they're silly, but it will be interesting.
00:28:24.260I mean, we have this meeting coming up. Trump will be there and we will have a new prime minister.
00:28:28.880Maybe we'll have two new prime ministers by then, but it won't be Justin Trudeau.
00:28:32.760And I think that that will be a meeting to watch. What's your takeaway from some of these reactions we're seeing?
00:28:37.900I mean, I think Mark Miller's trying to sort of play to some sort of bizarre version of K-Nationalism.
00:28:43.520He couldn't even get through the line about a higher pain threshold without sort of smirking and laughing himself.
00:28:49.040knew he was ridiculous and it was when he was saying it it was just it's just absurd uh and
00:28:53.280it really shows just how the liberals are you know this is serious business and they can't quite
00:28:58.080they can't quite manage to to deal with these serious topics and it's one of the reasons why
00:29:02.000we're in that we're in this mess you know you're obviously saying this just being silly and further
00:29:07.200proving how absolutely inadequate he is for anything um remotely approaching the leaders
00:29:11.680of power um look donald trump's a deal maker he prides himself on a deal maker if there's
00:29:16.080anything he sees himself as it's a deal maker um frankly an in-person meeting at a summit in canada
00:29:22.400that's an opportunity for something i think i think trump sees this you know the meeting is in
00:29:27.920three or four months i believe and that is about enough time that for him trump to make a point
00:29:34.080with tariffs and have a new prime minister to make a deal with i think trump might see it as an
00:29:37.920opportunity to to make a deal and it could be it could be an opportunity to do so and i think
00:29:42.560So Canadians would be foolish to turn back on that opportunity to come up with some sort of deal that will last for the rest of the Trump presidency.
00:29:51.080Well, because I have you, I just have to take it over and talk about the polling because we have just seen a spectacular change in fortunes.
00:29:59.700Right. Like I started I came back and started doing my show in early January.
00:30:03.520I came coming back from maternity leave. And at that point, the conservatives looked like they were going to walk away with the largest majority in the generation.
00:30:11.400And it seemed just like a matter of time, like Justin Trudeau needs to step down when
00:30:15.160the election comes, we will see this change.
00:30:17.520And then you look at what has happened basically since that time, since January, and just the
00:30:34.660We've had you on the show a few times, Hamish, to sort of help us understand whether, you
00:30:39.080the polls were real, whether it was something that the media was manufacturing or somehow were
00:30:44.860they overreading a trend. It still confuses me because the latest Ipsos poll, which came out on
00:30:49.840February 23rd, shows that the Liberals are actually beating the Conservatives by two points. And that
00:30:55.240would be the first time that the Liberals have been ahead in a poll since 2021. Still very close,
00:31:01.500but it shows Liberals clearly ahead. But then after that, Abacus data came out and Abacus has
00:31:07.000repeatedly found that the conservatives are ahead. David Coletto is a very reputable pollster and by
00:31:13.780no means a conservative. Very fair and balanced. And he's gone out into the field several times
00:31:19.660to try to see if the liberal bounce is real. He doesn't seem to be able to find it. So his latest
00:31:25.300poll shows conservatives up at 41, liberals down at 29. Maybe first of all, talk about the
00:31:31.920discrepancy there and which which poll do you think is is more accurate or are they both off
00:31:37.200like where do you think we are as a country right now so when i see things like that when i see
00:31:41.660multiple reputable pollsters um coming up with dramatically different results it clearly shows
00:31:47.780to me that we have an electorate in turmoil that has extremely soft impressions of everything
00:31:52.940that's going on what's very very clear to me is that people were very very sick and tired of
00:31:58.000Justin Trudeau, and they wanted change. With him leaving, they're getting something of change.
00:32:04.700Carney is even newer to the scene in terms of frontline politics than Mr. Polyev,
00:32:12.200and people are checking that out. We're seeing Mr. Carney's running into a lot of trouble where
00:32:17.540he keeps making things up, and I think things will begin to... The reality of Carney will not
00:32:26.140line up with sort of the fantasy version we're getting at the moment but what we're seeing is
00:32:30.500that canadians are just saying well thank god trudeau's gone we want change and they're kicking
00:32:34.300the tires a bit is this carny guy are the new liberals are they actually change or is it still
00:32:39.620the conservatives um so i don't particularly when i see does it when i see two pollsters that are
00:32:46.280both reputable coming with radically different results it really is is a function of a great
00:32:51.480deal of unsettlingness and that neither of them probably either of the views being measured are
00:32:58.560probably too firmly held and we can expect change and almost certainly something will be different
00:33:05.360by the time we get through an election so we're going into a period of turmoil we're going to a
00:33:09.640period where people want change but we've seen this before right when when Brian Mulroney stepped
00:33:14.980down and Kim Campbell became leader of the PCs they got back into they went from being that I
00:33:20.36012% of the polls back up to being in the lead. When, you know, Justin Trudeau's father stepped
00:33:25.260down and John Turner became the prime minister, again, the incumbent government that had been
00:33:31.600extremely unpopular went back into the lead. People were excited about something different.
00:33:35.540Just have a different name when you turn on the news and it's not the same person you can't stand.
00:33:40.900So that's all been going on. We'll see how it lasts once we get into an election campaign and
00:33:46.700people start evaluating, you know, Kearney or whoever the Liberal leader is on their own merits.
00:33:52.020And I think we'll begin to see some convergence in the polls.
00:33:56.440Well, it is interesting when you look at some of the crosstabs here. So Abacus Poll asks Canadians,
00:34:01.400what is the top issue that you are looking at in the election? And it shows, if we can show that
00:34:07.340on the screen there, 61% of Canadians still say that the rising cost of living is the top concern.
00:34:13.220But what has popped all the way up to second place there is Donald Trump and his administration.
00:34:19.200And my guess is that number would be even higher after the news that we're getting today.
00:34:23.140The two issues are sort of becoming linked because people will feel a greater economic pain thanks to these tariffs.
00:34:29.980And then the next one that I want to show is who do you believe is the party best able to handle these issues?
00:34:36.500And so you can see that when it comes to cost of living, 37 percent trust the conservatives, only 21 percent say liberals.
00:34:43.640But then when it comes to Trump, it's 29 percent conservatives and 39 percent liberals.
00:34:48.960There's a couple of other issues that favor conservatives, including immigration and crime, which are also big issues.
00:34:54.100But I think that the two big ones there are sort of split.
00:34:57.880So I want to ask you a bit of a strategy question, Hamish, because some people on the political right are upset with Pierre Polyev saying that he shouldn't be taking the same position when it comes to tariffs, that maybe he should try to be seen as more reconciliatory towards Trump and trying to strike a deal.
00:35:14.720Now, that probably would seem like political suicide to people who are more liberal voters. And Trump obviously is not a beloved character in Canada. I think most people, the majority of Canadians, overwhelming majority, have a negative opinion on him.
00:35:27.520So do you think that part of the issue here is that Polyev doesn't have the right strategy?
00:35:33.960No, I think Polyev's got the right strategy.
00:35:36.180I think he's moved to, you know, obviously things changed since Trudeau stepped down and these Trump tariffs have dominated the landscape.
00:35:48.320And I think he's got the right strategy rolling ahead by explaining how he would do things differently.
00:35:54.280a great example really is taking that any money collected from tariffs and using it to cut taxes
00:35:59.400to make life more affordable. It's interesting, liberals are just talking about pain. They're
00:36:03.820not talking about doing anything the other side to make life in any way more affordable for
00:36:06.960Canadians, which has been what they frankly have done for the last three or four years as we've
00:36:11.600gone through this inflationary period. So I think Mr. Pauly was on the right approach. I think
00:36:18.020sucking up to Donald Trump at this point would be absolute political suicide in this country.
00:36:21.860I think that I know lots of people who are Trump supporters, many of whom are backing away from that now.
00:36:29.400He's showing he is absolutely no fan of Canada and no friend to our country, doesn't value the relationship we have with the United States at any level.
00:36:38.660And that while some people might still like some of the things that Mr. Trump's doing in the United States, that there is not a market for that political position in Canada.
00:36:48.580And I think a conciliary tone, frankly, Mr. Trump would simply see that as more weakness and more ability to to push even further and to try to get even more of a change deal, whatever that looks like, that's even better for him.
00:37:07.560So I think the approach is the right one. Look, the Liberals have a long history of standing up to Americans. It's been part of their brand identity for a very, very long time. So I'm not surprised they're ahead as a party on that issue.
00:37:22.880I think it's striking that every other issue except for climate change and Trump, the Conservatives, lead the Liberals, even on things like health care and housing.
00:37:31.700And it's it's been it's pretty striking.
00:37:35.740But you're right. It's it's certainly a challenge.
00:37:39.640And but I think Mr. Polio is on the right track.
00:37:43.320He's got further to go, but he's on the right track and we'll see how things play out in time.
00:37:49.380Well, so this must have been a gift to Polyev then. Trump was speaking in an interview with
00:37:55.880Spectator magazine, a U.S. publication, but an American journalist on Friday. And he said that
00:38:02.400basically President Trump took aim at Pierre Polyev saying his biggest problem is he's not
00:38:07.140a mega guy, not a Trump guy at all. I think we have an audio clip of this. Let's go to that.
00:38:13.120Well, I think his biggest problem is he's not a mega guy, you know,
00:38:17.060He's really not. He's not a Trump guy at all.
00:39:29.820I think that distinction is important.
00:39:32.840And I think that there's a certain part of the left who sort of will always see anybody, you know, to the right of Justin Trudeau as sort of a cartoon villain that all gets together in some sort of global right wing conspiracy.
00:39:46.840But I think the fact that we that, you know, we can draw the line so close, so clear, so separately between Polyev and Trump, I think will be positive for Mr. Polyev.
00:39:58.340You know, he's a fierce believer and fighter for Canada. And I think that will come out, continue to come out. The speech he gave back in the middle of February was fantastic, explaining, you know, Canada's history and the role that we've played in North America and his vision going forward. I think it was phenomenal. And, you know, I think we'll see a lot more of that. And I think that will resonate with Canadians.
00:40:22.100Okay, I want to get your opinion on this one, because I think Mark Carney is a front runner.
00:40:25.660I think that there are some issues with him.
00:40:27.420But I believe that the liberals will, I mean, he's sort of the person that's been selected to come in and save the Liberal Party from destruction.
00:40:36.200But Chrystia Freeland is also out there making her case.
00:40:38.800She was on real time with Bill Maher over the weekend.
00:40:42.380And it was interesting to see Hamish, because first of all, she throws Justin Trudeau under the bus.
00:40:47.140Prime Minister Trudeau talks about how virtue signaling and identity politics has been overdone
00:40:52.800and talks about why she left Trudeau's cabinet. Let's play that clip.
00:40:57.360Justin Trudeau, who's on his way out, used to be very popular. I mean, he still has his fans, three.
00:41:05.120And they may be asking, why did you turn on him? Because, you know, you were part of his government.
00:43:52.160The two things I'm looking out for, number one, is overall how many people actually vote engaged in this process.
00:43:57.100There's a lot of media hype about Carney.
00:43:58.860There's a lot of focus in the polls about Carney.
00:44:02.820But when you look at the pictures of his events, the crowds aren't that big.
00:44:07.140His engagement on social media is respectable but not incredible.
00:44:10.280um the so the number of people who actually came out and voted is going to be extremely important
00:44:16.220you know it's about 400,000 people signed up but then they have to register and then vote
00:44:21.240um so we'll see what that number is uh and I think it's going to be quite small when you
00:44:26.640compare it to the over 600,000 who voted in the conservative uh leadership race a couple of years
00:44:31.680ago or two and a half years ago so overall it's going to be interesting and then I think we're
00:44:35.680going to look for other areas, particularly in Quebec. I mean, Mark Carney's French is fairly
00:44:40.400appalling for someone trying to be prime minister, especially with a large electoral, a party with a
00:44:45.540large electoral base in Quebec. And I'm very interested to see if any of the others, none of
00:44:51.140whom are frankly, you know, particularly strong Quebec sympathetic politicians, but if they're
00:44:57.260able to do anything there because of that. So that will be very interesting to see if that's
00:45:02.800what I'm looking out for. Well, it is just interesting that Mark Carney, I mean, he's not
00:45:07.560a politician. He hasn't really done this before. He's never been elected to anything. So if he
00:45:11.120becomes party leader and prime minister, he'll be a prime minister without being a member of
00:45:15.500parliament, without having a seat. I don't know that they're going to quickly go to a by-election
00:45:19.200or just trigger an election. I do want to make a point though, Hamish, that he'll mention that,
00:45:24.560oh, I'm not a politician and kind of use that as a plus, which is something that Donald Trump
00:45:28.520also says, but for Donald Trump, the thing about him not being a politician was that he was a
00:45:33.560little rough around the edges, not politically correct. He would make statements that to the
00:45:37.160political ear sounded outrageous, but to the American, maybe like the middle of the road
00:45:41.120American, they actually liked what he was saying. And he also had this business background. So he
00:45:45.520was going to take business mindset and apply it to politics. I'm not saying that it's going well,
00:45:50.580but that was his shtick. With Carney, it's like, what is his career? Well, he's been an
00:45:55.580unelected bureaucrat who sort of seems like he tries to take a lot of credit for things that
00:46:01.520he may or may not have really been involved in. And, you know, his career is that he's a bureaucrat.
00:46:07.760So, you know, I don't think that that is really has the same kind of like interest for the people
00:46:13.520to say like, OK, well, he's not a politician. We'll give him a pass because he's been operating
00:46:16.900in this political world for so long. I see that as a major weakness for Carney. But I did want
00:46:22.440to ask you, you can comment on that, but I also want to ask you, when do you think that the general
00:46:26.480election will get triggered? Because we've heard rumors and it might happen immediately, like within
00:46:30.36024 or 48 hours. Other people say, no, he's going to want to be prime minister for a month or two
00:46:35.900and get the hang of it, maybe even wait until the G7 conference. So comment on Carney and then tell
00:46:41.220us when you think the election is going to happen. Yeah, I think politicians say I'm not a politician
00:46:45.260is something that nobody believes. The way Trump was able to communicate that is exactly as you
00:46:50.260said, but he didn't act like a politician. He didn't sound like any politician anybody had
00:46:53.700ever heard in 2015 and 2016, right? It was completely different. And that's how he didn't
00:46:57.500have to say, I'm not a politician because he didn't act like one. You know, Mark Carney
00:47:01.180acts exactly like sort of an identikit, mass produced politician. And he keeps lying about
00:47:10.260being involved in political things, or he claims he helped Paul Martin balance the budget, which
00:47:15.760he didn't. But also if you're trying to say you're not part of the system claiming you are,
00:47:20.260It was weird, and then claims that he was key to saving Canada during the global financial crisis when it was Jim Flaherty making the tough calls.
00:47:33.920And, of course, Jim's not here to defend at all.
00:47:38.120But, again, if he's trying to be a politician, he shouldn't be associating himself with all these political-type things.
00:47:43.940He's completely, I think, doing it completely backwards there.
00:47:46.320But I will say that, you know, the rumor mill in Ottawa, for what it's worth, is that, you know, Carney will get sworn in as Prime Minister a few days after he wins the Liberal leadership, I'm not sure exactly which day, and then call an election about a week later.