00:00:00.000Welcome to Canada's most irreverent talk show. This is the Andrew Lawton Show, brought to you by True North.
00:00:12.560I'm still alive. No, I have not died. I have not been kidnapped by the CRTC as a measure of compliance with Bill C-11 and sent off to a re-education gulag, at least not yet.
00:00:25.800I was actually away for the last couple of weeks and normally I try not to disappear without
00:00:31.400announcing it not that anyone cares when I leave but just in general I'm like a big fan of the
00:00:35.860Irish goodbye at parties where you just like sneak out the door but I because the last show before I
00:00:42.260went away was pre-recorded earlier in the week I forgot to just say at the end of it oh by the way
00:00:47.060I'm going to be off for two weeks so I was away and I'll tell you where in a second but then I came
00:00:51.980back and just had like this deluge of emails wondering where I was and if I had been vaporized
00:00:59.000or otherwise dispensed with. No, I was actually aboard the MS Osterdam, which is a Holland
00:01:05.020America cruise ship along the Adriatic Sea for the Mark Stein cruise. I've known Mark
00:01:11.180for many, many years and had the great privilege of not just being a speaker on his most recent
00:01:16.800cruise but actually being the emcee and near the end of it the guest host and had a grand old time
00:01:23.400I actually met some of the viewers of this very program who were passengers on the vessel also
00:01:29.680did a little bit of musical performing oddly enough I was singing with Michelle Bachman I
00:01:34.840was singing with Tal Bachman no relation but hopefully no video footage from those will ever
00:01:39.540see the light of day you just have to come on the next cruise and get the show in person but I'm
00:01:45.760back now and lots of stuff has happened in my absence that we'll try to unpack as the week
00:01:51.360goes on from the expansion of the government's control of the internet through Bill C-18 and
00:01:57.100also this latest standoff which we talked about a few weeks ago and seems to have reached a bit of
00:02:02.320a new boiling point here between Big Trans, the gender ideology group that is really aggressively
00:02:10.240pursuing this overhaul of what kids are taught in schools and how parents are to interact with
00:02:16.140schools on one side and on the other side religious Canadians specifically of the Muslim faith now
00:02:22.720we know that the modern left doesn't really hold religious people in such high esteem but if you
00:02:29.360look at the diversity bingo cards Muslims have always been in a bit of a special category here
00:02:35.580No one will criticize an imam for being against gay marriage the way they will criticize some evangelical pastor.
00:02:42.840That's just the rules of the left today.
00:02:45.600But there has been an exception made now that Muslim Canadians, by and large,
00:02:50.580are in a lot of cases speaking up against what their kids are being taught in schools.
00:02:57.300This came up at the beginning of Pride Month,
00:02:59.540when you had all of a sudden some Muslim families at schools in Edmonton and London, Ontario and elsewhere
00:03:05.920that were saying, ah, you know, maybe I'm not too keen on the trans flag being flown at this school
00:03:11.240or maybe I'm not too keen on all the stuff that's in the school library.
00:03:14.760These are concerns that a number of Canadians have, even non-religious Canadians, certainly non-Muslim Canadians.
00:03:21.140But when shared by the Muslim community, it put people in a bit of a tricky spot
00:03:25.360Because on one hand, we've been told we need to bend over backwards to culturally accommodate various different groups in Canada.
00:03:32.320But on the other hand, well, we also have to stand up for sexual and gender minorities.
00:03:54.740Well, he had to come around and go to the old talking points that he loves, which is blaming the right, blaming the far-right forces, blaming American conservatives for Muslims in Canada not loving the fact that maybe their kid could transition genders in school and they'd never know about it.
00:04:15.180It's no longer the fault of the Muslim.
00:04:17.580It's the Muslims being co-opted by American far-right forces.
00:04:23.120This has played into a few uncomfortable discussions for Trudeau and company.
00:04:29.260And also we've seen some t-shirt battles come about here.
00:06:56.520Oh, there's a Canadian flag on the t-shirt.
00:06:59.180Maybe that's why it is a hate t-shirt in the eyes of Global News.
00:07:03.200So these are the shirts that Global News, without describing, says are hate t-shirts.
00:07:09.040Now, this is a global headline on an otherwise reasonable enough Canadian press story.
00:07:14.340But a few Muslim folks say, leave our kids alone, and this is a hate t-shirt.
00:07:19.620Maybe it was actually Ann Coulter and Mark Stein that just, like, forced those poor, hapless Muslim guys into those shirts.
00:07:27.060Because after all, as Justin Trudeau says, it is the American right that's responsible for Muslim Canadians speaking up and raising issues with what their kids are being taught in schools.
00:07:37.580Now, I said a few weeks ago that, yes, it's all well and good when Muslims and evangelicals and I think just in general, most parents can all be on the same side of an issue.
00:07:49.300I don't know what these folks believe about any number of other things.
00:07:53.440So I don't believe that this alliance will necessarily extend to other political issues,
00:07:58.420but I do believe that it has revealed in the liberal narrative on diversity issues a bit of a fault line,
00:08:05.480which is that they only love diversity when they don't have to reckon with ideological diversity.
00:08:10.900Once we have people thinking differently, well, that is not the type of diversity that we hold up as being Canadians' strength or Canada's strength.
00:08:19.980I want to talk about this and some other issues on the parental choice front with Alyssa Globe, who is the co-founder of RightNow and joins me on the line.
00:08:28.980Alyssa, always good to talk to you. Thanks for coming on today.
00:08:32.080Thanks for having me. Glad you aren't vaporized.
00:08:35.180Well, we'll see how things go by the end of the show here.
00:08:39.060Now, just for context here, RightNow is a very effective pro-life political group.
00:08:43.980And I know often the pro-life cause or social conservatism is viewed as being, I think in some cases, a very Catholic thing, certainly a Christian thing.
00:08:53.880But that's not really true in a meaningful way.
00:08:57.020If you look at the landscape of Canadians, a lot of the values that you talk about are shared by virtually every religious group on the face of the earth except for the United Church.
00:09:07.140yeah and i mean we just on our podcast this week interviewed a transgendered canadian commentator
00:09:13.880named julia malott who's also speaking out about this so even people within the lgbt community are
00:09:19.320talking about not targeting children with gender ideology so it's not just a religious issue it's
00:09:24.860not just a muslim issue or a christian issue it affects canadians of all different walks of life
00:09:29.620across party lines and polls show this as well as people who are speaking out about it
00:09:34.040yeah and i think in this particular case we have a lot of people people that have been pushed
00:09:40.140to something that was more gradual at first i mean that famous audio clip from an edmonton school
00:09:47.540that came out uh where the teacher is chastising the muslim students for not going along with the
00:09:52.420pride stuff because everyone else had to go along with their ramadan stuff is basically her
00:09:57.320argument and the catchphrase of that it's not a joke Mansoor is one that rings true and you see
00:10:04.140in New Brunswick here how a leader who I would say has not been particularly useful on a lot of
00:10:09.520other issues certainly not through COVID Blaine Higgs ended up becoming a very strong leader on
00:10:15.580this and even in the face of massive criticism including from within his own party has held the
00:10:20.500line on parental rights. Yeah I think Canadian politicians specifically in the Conservative
00:10:26.000party, whether it's provincial or federal, have to look at what Blaine Higgs is doing and emulate
00:10:30.260that if they want to actually connect and invigorate their voting base. Because not only
00:10:35.700is he taking a stand on an issue that a lot of Canadians care about, specifically in the
00:10:40.860Conservative Party, but like I said, across all party lines, but he's also not backing down. He
00:10:45.000is getting absolutely eviscerated in the mainstream media and by the opposition, but he's not backing
00:10:51.820down whatsoever. And when polls come out about this issue in New Brunswick about parental consent,
00:10:56.840if your child wants to socially transition in schools, the majority of Canadians are on side
00:11:01.580with Higgs, the overwhelming majority of Canadians, I think it was only 18% that are actually on the
00:11:06.460opposition. And then the majority of people who live in Atlantic Canada are also on side with
00:11:11.020Blaine Higgs. So that's why when the opposition says, oh, we should have a leadership review or
00:11:15.220threaten an election, they actually don't want that because they know they're going to lose.
00:11:19.300Yeah, I mean, I spoke about the New Brunswick stuff a few weeks back.
00:11:23.460And what's shocking, if you look at it, is that it actually is a very modest bill.
00:11:28.800I mean, it's not even, I mean, I would say it could have gone a lot further and still be on side with where a lot of Canadians are.
00:11:34.800But it doesn't do what the critics accuse it of doing.
00:11:37.820It doesn't out anyone to their parents.
00:11:40.160In fact, it is not empowering schools to reach out to parents without consent in general.
00:11:45.300It's just saying that if a child wants to go through this transition, a child under the age of 16, I think it is, they need a parent to consent to that.
00:11:54.780So it's not a road of communication towards parents here.
00:11:59.340And I think that, you know, what's shocking to me about this is that the core argument for people that support the criticism against Blaine Higgs,
00:12:08.200for people that support the denunciation of Muslim families and other families is really that
00:12:13.760schools should be keeping secrets from parents. I mean, that's effectively the argument here.
00:12:19.820And I've never heard anyone come out and refute that. Yeah, I mean, it's not a very good argument
00:12:25.080when your whole talking point is that parents are the enemy. And when we've tried to separate
00:12:30.280parents from their children in the past, it hasn't worked out too well. I think we should
00:12:33.460learn those lessons throughout Canadian history. So why are we trying to do it with this issue?
00:12:59.780And that's ultimately what they want to be seen as.
00:13:02.340So I think this is, you know, as long as you said, it doesn't go far enough.
00:13:06.600But another thing I want to mention too is that in Ontario, I don't think a lot of people know this, this is already a policy that parents do not have to be notified when their children socially transition in schools. This is something that's coming up in New Brunswick because Blaine Higgs is reversing a policy that was kind of quietly passed, but this is already a policy in a lot of different provinces, including Ontario.
00:13:27.920Yeah. And you've, through right now, launched a petition to basically stand with Blaine Higgs. But more about the mechanisms being used here is that he's actually facing a calls for a leadership review. So I can't stress enough that there are parents that, you know, again, it's hard to find an issue in politics that is as unifying as this, but somehow it hasn't unified the PC party in New Brunswick.
00:13:52.700Yeah, and I mean, you know, petitions are good to show solidarity. But the, you know, specific reason why we use our petition is so that we can build our supporter base so that when a leadership review does come, we will actively sell memberships and support that politician that is speaking out. So in this case, Blaine Higgs. So not only will we show, you know, solidarity through a petition, but we'll also use that to actually effectively give him the votes that he needs to win.
00:14:18.860so just in in the bigger context here i mean we we have this i'll say a coalition i mean it's a
00:14:25.880very thin coalition between uh you know some transgender folks like you mentioned between
00:14:30.980muslim canadians christian canadians i think in general just a lot of parents that are not
00:14:35.760particularly religious or political do you think this is kind of a one-time deal that you know when
00:14:42.000it comes to what kids are being taught in schools everyone can get together but the second you
00:14:46.560deviate from that issue everyone kind of goes back into their corners again no i do think that
00:14:51.800it will unify a lot of people and it will start with the gender ideology issue but i think people
00:14:56.900are a lot more unified on social issues in general and culture wars are facing different parts of the
00:15:02.260world and they're coming to canada they already are here and a lot of conservative politicians are
00:15:07.660uh you know reticent to talk about these issues but they are here and people care about them and
00:15:12.840And so, you know, I think that in order to win, to motivate the base, to win future elections, there will have to be a solid opposition taking a stand on these issues, taking a stand with parents, taking a stand with people of all different faith backgrounds, and really protecting family values in Canada because our children are being targeted.
00:15:34.900I mean, just in Manitoba, recently in a city of Manitoba, they were putting in different really sexually explicit books in the library, and they actually had to change one of their school board meetings from the school board to a gymnasium because so many people were pouring in because this was an issue that they cared about.
00:15:52.920You can see these rallies happening in Ottawa and London in different parts in Calgary, where people of all different faith or non-faith communities are coming together and they're growing bigger and bigger and bigger.
00:16:04.040And the more it's similar to the COVID issue, I feel like, because the more that Trudeau tries to make an enemy of Canadians like he did with the COVID issue, like you're a fringe minority, when that's clearly not the case, the more people are going to rise up.
00:16:16.020So in a sense, the more, you know, these teachers in Edmonton say your ideology doesn't you don't belong in Canada to these Muslim students or Trudeau says, oh, this is a far right Americanization of the issue, the more people are going to stand up.
00:16:31.740Yeah. And I just I mean, when you have like, let's say a Catholic and a Calvinist and a Wesleyan Armenian in a room, they can all find no shortage of things to yell at each other about and disagree about.
00:16:43.160But when you talk about sort of core values issues and core moral issues, they're all going to be in agreement on 99.9% of things. Same as if you extend the room and throw a Sikh in there and a Hindu guy and a Muslim and a Jew. And again, they can disagree with lots on Indian politics, on Middle Eastern politics, but on these core values and moral issues, they'll agree on things.
00:17:04.300And that divide and conquer thing that we see from the media and from the government is such an important tool to take note of here, because any time abortion, for example, comes up in an election, the media and Justin Trudeau's team will all make it seem like there is a much broader consensus around their side on this than actually exists in Canadian society.
00:17:26.700Even if people in Canada will disagree on, well, you know, rape and incest or third trimester, second.
00:17:33.560I mean, the majority of Canadians is on a different side than the liberal government is on this.
00:17:40.800Yeah. And, you know, to use Trudeau's words, it's often the fringe minority that have the views of Trudeau, like less than 10 percent of Canadians, you know, 18 percent of Canadians want, you know, don't want children to be able to secretly socially transition.
00:17:55.680What I find interesting about this whole situation is that, you know, the LGBT community originally started to say, you know, we, we want equality, we just want to be treated like everyone else and be left alone. And it's now become, you know, in Toronto, they want to force kids to go to drag queen story hour in their schools without being able to opt out. So now it's become, you have to do this, and there's no way out.
00:18:21.900And ultimately, what the other side is saying is we just want to raise our kids. We just want them to go to the school and be left alone. We don't want different views being pushed down our throat. Like, for example, what happened in Regina with Planned Parenthood, they get into the schools, they do their presentation on God knows what.
00:18:38.700And then a 14 year old leaves with a stack of cards, which has the ABC alphabet of sexuality.
00:18:45.760And some of the terms are about urinating and defecating on your partner and being sexually attracted to a television without this isn't even a joke.
00:18:53.940This is teaching kids about these really weird kinks that are that Planned Parenthood say are legitimate.
00:19:01.740So ultimately, as parents, as Canadians, we just want to send our kids to school.
00:19:06.960we want to be able to have the freedom to teach them whatever we want to teach them when it comes
00:19:11.780to our faith and we don't want things being shoved down our throat and I think that's
00:19:15.480they're pushing the envelope way too far by targeting kids and and refraining from being
00:19:20.380able to opt out and that's why you're seeing this backlash right now very well said right now
00:19:25.680co-founder Alyssa Gallobe always good to talk to you Alyssa thanks for coming on today thanks for
00:19:30.600having me all right that was Alyssa Gallobe you can watch the great work that right now is putting
00:19:36.120out at itstartsrightnow.ca. And when I mentioned the mismatch on this issue between what, on one
00:19:43.560hand, the government media class tells you people think and what real people think, we should
00:19:49.600sometimes see Justin Trudeau having to be a little bit humbled. He was speaking in Halifax the other
00:19:54.640day at the North American Indigenous Games, which I'll be perfectly frank, I'd never heard of
00:20:00.180until today, but they do all sorts of games that are steeped in Indigenous tradition.
00:20:04.760things like canoeing and lacrosse and a number of other sports and sporting events
00:20:10.800and Justin Trudeau was the guy giving the kickoff speech
00:20:14.380and didn't exactly get a warm reception.
00:20:56.540I don't know if they're booing him over lack of clean drinking water on reserves in Canada.
00:21:02.020Maybe they're booing him because he has kept the Racist Indian Act in place.
00:21:06.060Maybe they're booing him because they just don't like him.
00:21:09.020I don't know, and it doesn't particularly matter to me.
00:21:11.900But as I said on Daily Brief this morning with Cosman Georgia,
00:21:15.860it is interesting when groups that the Liberal government has tried to claim a monopoly over,
00:21:21.200like Indigenous people, like racial minorities and religious minorities,
00:21:25.120When all of those folks are booing Trudeau, it makes you wonder if this is a political project that is nowhere near as popular as it thinks, and certainly one that is in decline.
00:21:39.080This is exactly what it is that we have been talking about for many months on this show.
00:21:43.920And I mean, I've said you should never underestimate Justin Trudeau.
00:21:47.240The guy literally won an election when he was found to have been parading for most of his adult life in blackface.
00:21:54.180I mean, Katie Telford, his chief of staff the other day, had tweeted about, you know, the bigotry of conservatives.
00:22:00.460And I just, I should have just pulled the tweet to put on the show today.
00:22:03.200But I just took the picture of one of the many pictures of Justin Trudeau in blackface and just put the caption,
00:22:10.040Day-O, after all, that was one of his go-to party songs.
00:22:14.000So anytime the Liberals accuse someone of being racist, we should literally just hold up the picture and go,
00:22:19.300Day-O, me say Day-O, daylight come and Trudeau.
00:22:24.180comes home. That's what we should, that was what I was doing on the Mark Stein cruise, although not
00:22:28.180Deo. I wasn't doing like the Trudeau version of party entertaining because how dare these people
00:22:33.940lecture everyone else on racism that doesn't exist when their leader has legitimately done a
00:22:40.920bona fide example of racism through most of his adult life. So many times he can't even remember.
00:22:48.280We're going to be talking with Gleb Lysak of the C2C Journal in just a few moments time here.
00:22:54.860But I just want to talk about this in the context here because he put forward a great essay in C2C Journal
00:23:02.700in which he talked about a simple meat and potato recipe for making a pandemic.
00:23:09.500And he talks about this in basically two main pieces of detail.
00:23:51.640And as I've said on the show, it's a bit challenging sometimes when we had to live through this to want to stay in this terrain for so long.
00:23:59.860But I also believe there is, generally speaking, a sense of justice that people need.
00:24:04.940A lot of folks are not prepared just to live and let live and offer that so-called pandemic
00:24:11.160I saw a video from some ostensibly right-of-center commentator today giving an apology for comments
00:24:18.620he made about unvaccinated people, for example, earlier in the pandemic.
00:24:22.360And I watched this apology video, but it offered no sense of why it was wrong and no sense
00:24:28.520of why he believed what he believed and what changed.
00:24:31.420Now, I'm a big believer that if someone is going to go through an evolution in how they think and how they approach an issue, we should encourage it and we should welcome it, but you've got to show your work and you've got to explain what it is that has actually changed as opposed to just demanding forgiveness because you realize that whatever view you had a year ago or five minutes ago is no longer in vogue with the audience that you have now.
00:24:56.420And I think that's the key thing here whenever anyone's talking about the idea of pandemic amnesty.
00:25:03.100So we'll talk about this in the context of this essay here with Gleb Lysak, who's a C2C contributor and also a researcher and IT professional.
00:25:13.360Gleb, good to talk to you. Thanks very much for coming on today.
00:25:19.520So, I mean, you've actually distilled a very complex concept into fairly simple terms here.
00:25:26.080But am I understanding your point correctly that you feel the two sort of big data issues that we saw here came down to the PCR tests and the related but also distinct phenomenon of the death counts?
00:25:40.580Yeah, that's pretty much was the idea, right?
00:25:43.740The COVID waters were very, very murky.
00:25:48.960And there are all kinds of things that come into equation.
00:25:52.100the government response the officials the media uh hospitalizations the bands hospital band
00:26:02.740utilization and stuff like that so so many things so to me it was important to distill this to those
00:26:12.900key concepts that pretty much drove everything else right so we had cases and we had deaths
00:26:19.140cases would uh estimate the scale of that uh let's call the disaster right and the deaths
00:26:30.340would estimate the severity everything else was kind of in between or supported by all those
00:26:37.060numbers so that's why i wanted to take all those side components out of the equation and just
00:26:49.140plug the major numbers in and present them in a way that not only highlights the aspects of this
00:26:58.520COVID pandemic, but would also apply to any pandemic going forward. Because ultimately,
00:27:06.940if we're going to have another one, it will be gauged by the same numbers, cases and deaths.
00:27:13.180that's it yeah and and i think both are challenging i mean originally cases were the
00:27:19.460thing that everyone cared about because you know cases were the way you'd measure how widespread
00:27:24.620something was in in a community and at a certain point when i forget which wave it was i don't know
00:27:30.400if it was omicron or something when we saw cases just completely swell but deaths continued to be
00:27:36.680in decline and uh you know the idea of at that time taking anything meaningful of cases when
00:27:41.980people, myself included, were testing positive despite having zero symptoms of anything. So,
00:27:48.220I mean, that is not a meaningful positive result. And whether it's that it's a false positive or
00:27:54.420your case is so mild that you don't even know you have it, to me, is not necessarily relevant there.
00:28:01.260But people were still trying to make policy on that and saying, well, the high cases mean we
00:28:05.460need to keep mask mandates in place. We need to keep X, Y, and Z in place.
00:28:09.500Yeah, you hit the nail on the head. I think it was around January 2022 when Omicron was at its best. And the cases were through the roof. And people started wondering, like, why are we really counting those? Right? And how are we counting that? And is it the effort and counting that brings up the cases up? Or is it actually the cases themselves? Or the disease?
00:28:39.500so it was becoming very apparent and laughable that counting cases the techniques of counting
00:28:45.660cases they demand for cases or forcing everybody to test was what was driving the case numbers
00:28:54.620as soon as they stopped counting cases disappeared
00:29:00.140is your view on the pcr test that it was being used for something that it was never intended to
00:29:06.780be used for and that the the issues that you've identified were more accidental or or was your
00:29:12.540view that this was being deliberately used because it would give this number that would then support
00:29:19.260all of these policies the government wanted to put in i guess the question is was this in it was
00:29:23.420this something that was a byproduct of a bad policy or was this a policy that was designed
00:29:28.540in your view to be more manipulative in my personal opinion and again i'm not claiming to be
00:29:34.700the final instance of everything so everybody can anybody can read the article and make up their own
00:29:39.900mind i'm not trying to draw any conclusions but since you're asking me personally i think it was
00:29:44.700a deliberate attempt there's absolutely no way for me how a medical a science a scientist or expert
00:29:55.500in uh pcr testing for example or any of the testing of insort would legitimately authorize
00:30:02.940PCR to be a clinical diagnostics tool. Judging from that, it was totally inappropriate to use
00:30:11.340it as a clinical diagnostics tool. You can use PCR, and PCR is a great technology, right,
00:30:16.780that allows you to, let's say, estimate the presence of certain pathogen within the population,
00:30:22.780because it's totally probabilistic. So you can apply it to masses and come up with a probabilistic
00:30:29.020estimate of how much of that particular pathogen virus or whatever is present within a certain
00:30:34.700group of population but when it comes to clinical diagnostic deciding whether a particular person
00:30:40.860is sick it has a disease it totally fails to do its job because it's a probabilistic tool it's
00:30:50.620never been designed for clinical diagnostics it's very it's uh the the very inventor of this
00:30:57.100technology questioned that, not specifically for COVID, but for viruses in general, right?
00:31:04.920So to me, it's absolutely impossible how a medically knowledgeable person can make a
00:31:15.140decision to use PCR for clinical diagnostics, which inevitably follows that it was a deliberate
00:31:20.940attempt to exaggerate cases through misuse of the PCR.
00:31:27.100And I said at the beginning, when we look at cases and deaths, that the two are different, but they're very related because the PCR testing and, you know, for example, you couldn't go to a hospital with a broken leg without getting a COVID test meant that all of a sudden people that never would have been tested on their own were getting logged as COVID hospitalizations.
00:31:49.480And if something happened where you died, we know that there was this issue of people dying with COVID versus of COVID, which messed with the numbers.
00:31:58.460And I mean, you had some stories in the US where someone, you know, went in with a motorcycle accident that killed them and they were logged as a COVID death because they happen to have COVID or something like that.
00:32:08.580And you had governments say, oh, you know, we're trying to do our best to filter these cases out.
00:32:13.540But the two really are interconnected in the sense that someone gets a PCR test, someone is a COVID case, someone dies of something.
00:32:21.880All of a sudden, the natural instinct is to log them as a COVID death, regardless of what killed them.
00:32:29.200Yeah, and I can even share my personal story.
00:32:32.700And I'm sure many people would probably know someone with whom something similar happened.
00:32:40.560so my wife's aunt in moscow russia right i'm not talking about canada anymore i just because it's
00:32:47.760been pretty much all over the world in moscow so my my wife's aunt she was very um unhealthy
00:32:57.440individual with tons of various diseases she was she had difficulties moving around the home
00:33:05.760the home and um pretty much she needed help from someone else like she could not be on her by
00:33:12.880herself so finally she she got to the point where she had to be brought into the hospital
00:33:19.040in 2020 uh for something completely different not not covered at all right she had enough other
00:33:26.160problems to be worried about so after about a week or two i don't remember exactly but
00:33:32.320she was finally diagnosed with covet uh basically the test came up positive from which point she
00:33:40.880got moved from this uh ward whatever she was in into the covet ward and she died there
00:33:48.720and i handled the story right wow um i have i have other other personal stories to share but
00:33:56.320this is just an example of what was happening in hospitals people were tested basically daily
00:34:02.640in 2020 2021 for covet because of the the pcr test nature obviously sooner or later it would
00:34:11.360give you a positive result which triggers moving the person to a different world where they would
00:34:17.200be treated uh from from covet or get no treatment at all as as in initial stages of disease uh that
00:34:27.760was the advice don't do anything pretty much right uh as opposed to being treated from what they
00:34:33.600suffered from so it was completely mistreatment of the people that got them killed in those
00:34:42.000covet words i'm not talking about covet treatment i don't want to go in that area yet but
00:34:47.760that's pretty much the very very common scenario you get moved to the covet world you know you're
00:34:52.240not you're you're mistreated and you die and the death certificate says you died from covet well
00:34:58.000because the pcr test was positive well sir i mean it's certainly a simple and logical concept you've
00:35:04.000put forward here glab you know cases plus deaths equals the story of the pandemic but if each of
00:35:10.400of those premises is fraught with its own data challenges then we we are seeing exactly what
00:35:16.080you've described here and what you go into more detail in in your essay in c2c journal making a
00:35:21.840pandemic a simple meat and potato recipe and again we've only really scratched the surface here but
00:35:27.200i would encourage people to read that for themselves gleb lysic thank you so much for
00:35:30.960coming on good to talk to you thank you have a good day all right you too gleb and let me just
00:35:36.320add one additional component to this the pcr test people made an absolute fortune off of those i i
00:35:44.280talked about a switch health a while ago which was this company that uh came up and it is basically
00:35:49.640one of the most i'm i don't want to get sued here but it's like people should look into just what
00:35:56.160switch health did a company that basically uh has no utility now but had gone from being non-existent
00:36:03.660to being the contractor that you had to go through