Juno News - Trudeau celebrates 10 years since winning, as Canadians suffer

00:00:00.000 Hi, Juno News. Alexander Brown here, host of Not Sorry. Great to be back this week. And thank you

00:00:08.220 to Chris Sims for covering for me last week. She's the best. Those are two terrific episodes.

00:00:13.700 Highly recommend you check them out. I'm the director of the National Citizens Coalition.

00:00:17.100 I'm a writer. I'm a campaigner. I'm thrilled to be a part of the Juno family. And it's been great

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00:00:32.920 That's a great offer. Worth celebrating. What's not worth celebrating is over the weekend,

00:00:39.600 Justin Trudeau, Justin Trudeau's former MPs, Justin Trudeau's former associates, they decided to,

00:00:46.180 I think to some of you, sort of twist the knife a little bit. They held this anniversary party,

00:00:50.900 this 10-year anniversary of his 2015 election victory. Were you sharing in the merriment?

00:00:57.280 Do you feel better off than you did 10 years ago? I know that I don't. I look at these tweets

00:01:04.240 talking about the energy, the optimism, and the belief that together we could build a better future.

00:01:09.480 And I think of a decade later and where we are, and it's nowhere good. I think it was Brian Blyther

00:01:16.600 on X made a joke after Karina Gould put up her Isn't This Great anniversary tweet saying,

00:01:23.040 imagine celebrating what your government did to Canada the last 10 years and being so proud of it,

00:01:28.300 you turn off the comments. This was decline. This was nothing good. As Sean Spear posted on X on

00:01:37.740 Monday morning, real inflation-adjusted GDP per person over the past 25 years, look how bad this

00:01:45.500 is. In a nutshell, Canadians are poorer in June 2025, as of June 2025, than they were in April 2017.

00:01:53.820 So referencing all the metrics that are worse, you have obviously immigration, you have Canadians' 1.00

00:02:04.580 feelings about immigration, you have the housing situation, you have crime and chaos. It's all been 1.00

00:02:11.920 going in the wrong direction. And so not a day we're celebrating, not an occasion we're celebrating.

00:02:18.140 And in so many ways, when we look at the virtues, the virtues that were signaled, the only thing that

00:02:27.200 that government could point to, and hopefully this slightly different iteration of the liberals get

00:02:33.080 it together. We're seeing sort of end-stage Trudeau wokeness, where there's been great reporting in

00:02:39.860 Juneau News about this recently, where this decision in Cowichan, which is Richmond, British Columbia,

00:02:46.400 is threatening private property rights. Because these treaties, they were never resolved. There's

00:02:57.000 now Aboriginal title that may lord over these hundreds of homeowners. The government is sending 1.00

00:03:03.880 out letters to concerned homeowners saying, you know, we need to get together and talk about this.

00:03:07.640 Well, then resolve it. And soon, much like the need to get major projects built and to blow through a

00:03:14.680 guy like David Eby, who doesn't want an Alberta pipeline to the Pacific Northwest coast, we're just

00:03:19.940 going to further chill investment. We're just going to further chill confidence. And we need a climate

00:03:26.340 that actually gets anything done. These private property rights are a pillar of Western civilization.

00:03:33.820 Letting businesses be businesses is a pillar of Western civilization. In Canada, we still aren't

00:03:41.960 getting that right. This 10 years removed from a, from a night that will live in infamy, we have

00:03:47.820 very little to be proud of, but we can be so much more. Join Peter Coleman and I for this chat. Peter is

00:03:54.580 the president of the National Citizens Coalition. He's, he's running a terrific Fix Canada campaign right

00:03:59.700 now. And then before we get started, a word from our sponsor. I want to give a quick word from our

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00:04:24.240 not the courts. Critics say this system puts insurance companies first and removes key rights

00:04:29.300 from victims and their families. Peter Coleman joins the show. Peter is the president of the

00:04:34.920 National Citizens Coalition, longtime leader in the small C conservative space. Peter, thanks for

00:04:41.260 joining us. Thanks for having me on, Alex. Now, Peter, this is a evidently a celebratory anniversary

00:04:48.380 for some in the Liberal Party of Canada. We're talking today about how over the weekend,

00:04:53.160 as if they're twisting the knife for all the people who are struggling right now.

00:04:57.680 Justin Trudeau and Trudeau's former associates and campaigners celebrated that 10 years ago today,

00:05:04.500 as he put in a tweet, Canadians chose a more hopeful path and that he'll never forget that night in 2015,

00:05:10.500 the energy, the optimism and the belief that together we could build a better future. As we know,

00:05:16.860 they didn't build a better future. Almost every key metric is heading in the wrong direction.

00:05:22.580 Adjusting by things like real inflation, real inflation adjusted GDP per person. Canadians are

00:05:31.960 poorer in June 2025, as of June 2025, than they were in April 2017. What do you make of this celebration

00:05:40.140 and is it worth really celebrating? Well, it's gaslighting to the extreme. It's like sunny ways,

00:05:46.400 maybe for Trudeau and the flunkies around him, but the country's way worse off. And it's sad because

00:05:51.800 on an international stage, we used to be respected. We're not anymore. And the problem is our allies

00:05:57.220 don't trust us. We're not involved in any of the major conversations anymore because they can't be

00:06:02.400 trusted. And the problem, you know, Carney's continued on. But for Justin Trudeau to say that the middle

00:06:07.720 class is better off, if there was a gold medal for DEI hires that proven wrong, and the Peter

00:06:14.260 principle of a guy getting promoted to the highest level of leadership in the land, it's Trudeau.

00:06:20.520 Incredibly incompetent, accomplished nothing other than maybe DEI, gender equality, which I think is 1.00

00:06:26.780 important, and climate change nonsense to the detriment of growing the economy. So we need to

00:06:31.800 get away from that back to a common sense thing. And it's just astounding that Trudeau would actually

00:06:37.500 say that. But it's not surprising. That's how he led. He didn't listen to anybody but himself. I mean,

00:06:41.940 inside his own party, he was seen as somebody that would not talk to his caucus, not talk to his MPs.

00:06:48.860 The PMO's office, Katie Telford, they ran the show there. And it shows. Incompetent people,

00:06:54.860 not very good people in any positions. And I don't like to say that. It's just the truth.

00:06:59.160 No, you want to say nice things about your prime minister, right? You and I have spoken here before

00:07:05.640 about how we'd like to be proven wrong, for example, by the Mark Carney start. Like we want

00:07:11.180 Canada to be successful. It's why we all do what we do. You know, you're trying to drive opinion and

00:07:16.520 you're trying to make a difference in the polls and at the ballot box and to lead the horse to water.

00:07:23.300 But this liberal horse, it ain't drinking. Things still don't look good. And in some ways,

00:07:27.780 we're seeing the end stage results of this night they believe is worth celebrating from 2015, where

00:07:36.280 I think of recently this Cowichan decision in Richmond, British Columbia, where you now have

00:07:42.400 Canadians in Richmond who are worried about losing, you know, the very land underneath their

00:07:48.260 feet, losing the deed to their homes. And it all started somewhere. It started with this virtue

00:07:54.760 signaling. It started with creating these preferred hierarchies of people based on these kind of

00:08:02.440 virtue signaling efforts. And look where it's gotten us.

00:08:05.660 Well, like a real leader. And I get Carney won because he was seen as a guy that could deal with

00:08:11.760 Trump. Nobody can deal with Trump. That's been proven. We knew that before the election.

00:08:16.160 And he was also seen as being a leader. A leader makes tough decisions. A leader would have gone to

00:08:22.100 this, put a brief in towards the Supreme Court and a decision in Richmond, BC, as far as the land

00:08:26.640 ownership and said, enough's enough. But he's not a leader. I mean, you can be the head of the Bank of

00:08:32.580 Canada, the Bank of England. It doesn't mean you're the right guy to run the economy. It doesn't mean

00:08:37.440 he's never ran a business. He's never been involved with that. He seems reluctant to make

00:08:41.980 tough decisions. And it's hurting us. And the problem he has is he has all the same bozos around

00:08:47.720 him that he's in this cabinet that caused the problems that Trudeau is so proud of. And it's

00:08:53.060 until we see a direction that's, you know, more positive, I think we're in trouble. We need to grow

00:08:59.140 the economy by investing in projects, but you got to create the economic environment,

00:09:03.380 environment, Alex, to invest. And we don't have that now. And Carney, you know, over half

00:09:08.520 a year in is showing no signs, which to me is the most shocking part. He knows how bad

00:09:13.880 the books are. He knows how much trouble we're in financially. And he's just not doing anything

00:09:20.460 other than talking and putting up press releases.

00:09:22.860 No. And they know how bad it is that they're attempting to sort of split the way they, they,

00:09:29.140 sort of sort and describe the finances, which is, strikes me as incredibly dishonest. Like

00:09:34.540 it's, you know, it's this big pile of money that we owe or it's not.

00:09:37.380 If you want to take care of the poor people and the homeless that we certainly need to 1.00

00:09:40.820 take care of, you got to create the wealth to do that. And I'm a chartered accountant by

00:09:44.600 training. So I know what those deficits do interest, the, the debt on the, the, the debt,

00:09:51.620 the interest on the deficit and the debt, the accumulated debt is going to crowd out investments

00:09:56.740 in areas like healthcare and other things. How the hell does Carney think he's going to

00:10:00.900 pay a hundred billion dollars a year for the military? Where's that money coming from?

00:10:04.980 Yeah.

00:10:05.980 Like the military needs to be, to be set up and to move forward, but you have to create

00:10:10.340 money. You can't just borrow everything.

00:10:12.300 And we had the, the interim, uh, PBO using language that like, I don't recall ever seeing

00:10:19.640 like hyperbolic language, such as, you know, this is over and, uh, this is stupefying and

00:10:25.900 unsustainable. Surely, uh, you know, that, that shows you the, the extent of the alarm here

00:10:33.160 that we're so many months in, we've had all of these bold proclamations of being different,

00:10:38.800 but we are not seeing meaningful corrections to the economy and, and getting out of the

00:10:43.540 way on, on, you know, anti-resource legislation. We're not seeing stern commitments to fixing

00:10:50.100 immigration where their immigration plan, their so-called immigration plan is supposedly

00:10:55.580 just a few weeks away, but there are, there are warning signs here and signals that the

00:11:00.140 business lobby, a liberal friendly business lobby is, is again, going to be calling the shots

00:11:05.520 here over the need of young Canadians. The, this housing plan, as we know, is just these,

00:11:11.460 these Khrushchevkas, these, these Kearney portables that, you know, you have people who

00:11:18.580 are, gee, go raise a family in a auxiliary housing unit. Number 73. It doesn't inspire a lot of

00:11:25.640 confidence.

00:11:27.260 No, if, if, if Kearney wanted to enrich his buddies at, uh, Brookfield, he's doing a heck of

00:11:31.880 a job with that. It seems the tentacles from that company seem to go everywhere that Kearney

00:11:35.420 is involved with. I mean, you should be more worried about the younger people, um, the middle 1.00

00:11:40.460 class and creating the jobs. I mean, a tough politician in my view would say, I don't care

00:11:46.980 if you reelect me, I'm going to do what's right, right for the people, maybe not for my party,

00:11:52.520 but if they do that, they will get their mandate back for another term. He's not tackling,

00:11:56.780 as you said, immigration is a joke. How would a control that is? The free speech threats 1.00

00:12:01.640 are crazy. Um, but the budget stuff is the PBO thing. That's astounding that kind of conversation

00:12:08.820 because they don't usually talk in those terms. Um, they're reluctant to get involved in the

00:12:13.080 political foray, but he's just doing his job and it's refreshing to see, but like, like we

00:12:19.260 need more Juno news. We need more Juno media people because the old legacy media is so

00:12:25.300 uncurious, so in the can for the liberals. And it's just, it's to the detriment. And

00:12:30.360 I would say that Alex, it was a conservative in power and they're behaving the same way.

00:12:33.700 I mean, I'm a fiscally conservative guy with a big social conscience, but you got to create

00:12:37.740 the economic growth and wealth to take care of all the needs of people that deserve to be

00:12:42.860 taken care of. And they're falling by the wayside now. And there's nothing that they're

00:12:47.540 doing right now. You go, Oh, that's a good one. Like I wish we were not having this conversation.

00:12:53.240 Yeah. No, this is a moment for the independence of the big tent stuff. I, I, because we, we

00:13:00.340 are being forced to have these conversations where you're being told one thing, but the,

00:13:04.980 the metrics all are still heading in non-favorable directions. I, I think of your work right now

00:13:11.660 as, as president of the national citizens coalition, where I'm thankful to service as your director

00:13:16.500 and, and the Fix Canada campaign. I mean, what that one's doing big numbers. There's obviously

00:13:23.100 a ton of engagement on the small C side of things. Tell me a little bit more about that,

00:13:29.520 that Fix Canada campaign and, and, and the kinds of large scale engagements you're seeing

00:13:35.140 at the moment.

00:13:35.600 Well, we started the Fix Canada campaign and people can find out by going to nationalcitizens.ca.

00:13:40.560 It has over 2 million views and we started to try and bring some common sense back into

00:13:45.140 the conversation. Um, I know that the politicians and the media and stuff will take runs of group

00:13:50.160 like us, but we've been around for over 60, for 60 years. So we can handle that stuff.

00:13:55.000 I just wish that, you know, more people or more groups like would be like us and say,

00:14:00.680 we just want what's better for the country. I don't really care who's in power. I just want

00:14:05.520 them to do a good job. And, and that's why we've, the Fix Canada campaign has been so successful.

00:14:11.160 We're reaching a lot of new people that, um, didn't give us a look before, but they are now

00:14:15.880 because they're looking for common sense going forward. And, you know, they, they step up their

00:14:20.700 door every day or they take the kids to school or do whatever. They're having a tough time making

00:14:24.540 ends meet. They don't feel safe. Immigration's out of control. Free speech is under threat. Um, 0.99

00:14:29.900 they're having a tough time balanced in their books, the middle-class contrary to what, uh,

00:14:33.320 what so-called King Trudeau has to say. And it, it needs to shift. And that's what we're trying to

00:14:39.600 do in a, in a calm, rational, not angry tone, because sometimes that comes across with Paulyev

00:14:45.740 and his team, Paulyev especially, where he's a little too aggressive in the language. We're

00:14:51.100 trying to have a common sense conversation with average hardworking Canadians that feel that they're

00:14:56.340 left out and left behind.

00:14:57.520 So what would your suggestion be then to, to pull on that thread in regards to how, uh, Paulyev

00:15:06.080 communicates with the public? And, and, uh, I suppose the suggestion would be there's a segment

00:15:12.040 of the Canadian electorate that maybe startles easy or, or responds more favorably to, to a kind of

00:15:19.780 tone.

00:15:20.100 I think the conservatives need to show their team. Their team is much more capable than the

00:15:25.080 liberal team. The people around Paulyev are very bright people. Um, we had this conversation before

00:15:31.160 the people, some people found Paulyev lacking as far as being too aggressive and things like that.

00:15:36.700 And that might've cost him along with Trump, the, uh, the election. So show your team, show your

00:15:42.100 policies, try and have a little fun with the process by just be able to joke and laugh once in a

00:15:48.300 while about serious issues, but be able to talk about them, but don't be that tack dog at all

00:15:53.020 times. Cause people, I don't know, people right now are afraid. They're worried about their

00:15:57.120 livelihood. They're worried about their kids or worried about their grandkids or worried about

00:16:00.540 the country. And you just need to give people a sense that you're that calm, rational, let's get

00:16:08.940 stuff done kind of guy. And I think that messaging can improve a bit still, Alex.

00:16:13.140 It strikes me as unfortunate that Canada is in such dire need of reform as a younger guy,

00:16:20.280 increasingly less young. You know, I, I needed to change on so many files from housing to

00:16:25.020 immigration to just last night, my wife and I were watching the ball game and, and we're taping

00:16:29.980 this on Monday. So go blue Jays and hope for the best there. But there's a guy out back in our

00:16:34.320 alleyway, nice neighborhood, just committing crime. And we call the cops and he's long gone by the time

00:16:41.020 they show up and you're just sort of supposed to accept that. And, and to accept that level of

00:16:47.700 decline constantly, to leave your, your house every day and see that things aren't getting better,

00:16:53.020 like visibly not getting better. That's, that's powerful, but, but there's a version of our

00:16:58.660 Canadian electorate seemingly where it's that reform startles them and tone startles them.

00:17:04.400 And so if you, if you want to be a reformer, you have to wear a more stately cap at times. Is that,

00:17:09.920 is that what you're sort of suggesting?

00:17:11.720 Yeah, I think so. Like, cause I think you have to, you have to go to where the people are and

00:17:15.200 deal with their needs in a calm, kind of quiet, rational way. And it doesn't need to be all

00:17:20.300 screaming and yelling and it, cause it just, it just doesn't work. Like, you know, my wife and I,

00:17:25.720 we have three kids and five grandkids. And I, I know how you deal with people is not to yell at

00:17:31.340 them all the time. It's not to praise them all the time, but it sure as heck isn't to yell at

00:17:34.860 them all the time because you get turned out. And I think you have to deal with in a calm,

00:17:40.260 respectful, responsible way. And I think that's where he needs to show the broader tent. I mean,

00:17:46.140 Michelle Remples and the people, you know, other people around in that party are very capable people.

00:17:52.060 They're very good on their feet. They should be doing more CBC interviews if they're allowed to go

00:17:56.520 on the show, which I'm not even sure they are anymore after this, the recent revelations there. But

00:18:00.740 we need to get the message out in a calm way that we're at, we're actually normal people.

00:18:05.920 We just want better. We don't believe in your views, but the conservatives will engage people

00:18:11.080 that don't agree with them. The liberals won't. And that's the problem we're having right now too,

00:18:14.980 because Carney thinks he's the smartest guy in the room, but if you're not a dyed in the wool liberal

00:18:19.940 right now, there's zero chance you can give him a passing grade in what he's done.

00:18:24.760 Yeah. And I think of the unfortunate sort of aspersion where criticism is seen as radical

00:18:32.400 or uncouth or we're yobs or something like that. I obviously think of the work the NCC has done

00:18:40.560 in holding the Ontario government to account, let's say, and how efforts like Project Ontario

00:18:46.640 have been met with name calling. And surely there's got to be a better way to just accept criticism.

00:18:53.760 It's supposed to be part of government that if you dish it out, you can take it, right?

00:18:58.000 Why can't a politician in this country say, you know what, Alex, that's a good idea. I'm going to

00:19:04.020 do that. I'm going to use semi-political capital and I'm going to get that bill passed right away.

00:19:09.460 Whether it's justice, whether it's cops on immigration actually work and make sense,

00:19:14.840 but just do some things that actually make sense. I mean, you know, down in the States,

00:19:19.280 they're laughing about this King Trump. What do we think's going on in this country too?

00:19:24.400 I mean, Trudeau governed like a total dictator. Carney doesn't seem a whole hell of a lot better.

00:19:28.780 He seems to have a, he seems to be wanting, going on a plane to see all his pals over in

00:19:32.840 Europe versus doing anything. I mean, we're not dealing with the US file very well. I know

00:19:37.260 Trump's a prickly guy to deal with, but we need to have some wins, Alex. And we're far enough in

00:19:43.540 that there should be some wins by now that people could say, oh, this tone's a bit different from

00:19:48.080 Trudeau, but I don't know, maybe you see it, but I'm not sure your listeners or I see it at all. I don't

00:19:53.860 know.

00:19:54.500 It's such a shame that Canadians, modern, whatever's going on in modern Canada, we're better at

00:20:00.680 protesting foreign issues than we are at handling domestic issues. You know,

00:20:06.140 the grandparents in Victoria will turn out for a no Kings rally, but they won't turn out to,

00:20:12.960 you know, support young Canadians who can't afford housing or to, to get immigration numbers back in

00:20:18.020 line. Because that's the liberal voting bloc is the boomers. Like I know we, in our last election 0.95

00:20:22.880 campaign, we fought valiantly to support the younger generation and to tell the boomers to wise up 0.98

00:20:29.100 because their kids are being affected by it. You put out a great boomer ad too. And it was,

00:20:32.800 it was very much geared at, this is like a civic duty. It wasn't the conservatives seem to pivot

00:20:37.520 late. They made that golf ad real late in the game. Yeah. Yeah. And, and, and I think, you know,

00:20:42.860 there's, there's a way to have a sense of humor in some of these issues and get across with the

00:20:45.980 average, you know, there's, there's probably a 5% swing vote that all would take right now, Alex,

00:20:50.700 to get the conservatives back in power. But yeah, you know, the conservatives, this, this is their last

00:20:56.340 kick at it with the leader they got in my view. And if he doesn't win next time, then the party

00:21:00.480 should replace him. I have a lot of time for Paul. I think he's done a decent job in the party and

00:21:06.860 where the party has grown and the outreach and everything and the seats and their writings

00:21:11.120 never won before, but he needs to take the next step now. And that's what we're wanting to see,

00:21:16.560 show some calm, rational leadership against Carney, who just doesn't, he's just dismissive of everybody.

00:21:22.440 He doesn't, he doesn't care what anybody thinks from his body language, from his lack of time in the

00:21:27.960 House of Commons, from his travel. A smart guy would be spending a hell of a lot more time in

00:21:32.680 the US getting stuff squared away there than going to Europe and working on trade deals that have no

00:21:37.640 impact in our economy. No, he sure seems like he's back in just portfolio manager mode. And

00:21:43.120 unfortunately, those portfolios appear to be abroad. Well, we got a whole lot, if you're under a certain

00:21:49.120 age or in a certain tax bracket, we've got some pretty pressing domestic crises. So Peter, it is,

00:21:56.540 unlike Trudeau and his, his, his former staffers and company, it, this is not an anniversary worth

00:22:04.040 celebrating. But thanks for joining us. Thanks for your, your work and your leadership with the

00:22:08.280 National Citizens Coalition. Thanks, Alex. Keep good work up.

Juno News - October 21, 2025

Trudeau celebrates 10 years since winning, as Canadians suffer

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