Juno News - March 20, 2024


Trudeau is gaslighting Canadians about the carbon tax


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00:00:00.000 you're tuned in to the andrew lawton show
00:00:05.920 chris sims is the alberta director with the canadian taxpayers federation and joins us
00:00:13.440 every monday once again always good to see you chris thanks for coming on today likewise thanks
00:00:18.640 andrew for uh playing that clip again yeah do you feel again this is the whole carbon tax rebrand
00:00:26.380 that we've talked about in past weeks where they say no no the problem isn't the policy the problem
00:00:31.100 is that canadians don't understand it and their effort to do that is by just disingenuously
00:00:37.060 claiming that we're all better off and again he says it's basic math if we're all better off by
00:00:42.480 the tax if we're profiting from this then what was the point of it all that the only mechanism by which
00:00:49.460 this makes sense for the government is if it's penalizing people okay so there's so much to
00:00:55.020 unpack here i just wanted to say to your viewers who are sane we know okay we know what he's saying
00:01:00.940 doesn't make sense we know that the tax will make you poorer that it doesn't make you richer when the
00:01:06.440 government takes more of your money okay all of that is established what we're going to try to break
00:01:10.440 down here is some of the pretzel like twisting and thinking that the prime minister is trying to engage
00:01:16.580 in here okay so number one exactly to your point andrew if the carbon tax actually costs you nothing
00:01:24.080 or you get magically more money back every single time you pay it well then where is the stick
00:01:32.380 where's the deterrence for using oil and gas products because some people might forget with
00:01:39.160 all this baffle gab that the prime minister is putting out the liberal government of canada put
00:01:44.320 through a carbon tax in order to punish people for using things like oil and gas so gasoline diesel
00:01:51.520 propane natural gas kerosene you name it if it comes from oil and gas you're going to get carbon
00:01:57.100 taxed on it they're thinking way back when they first invented this thing was that they would stick
00:02:03.320 you they would hit you with the stick until you moved over and switched to another energy source
00:02:10.500 problem is most canadians the vast majority of us do not have access to an affordable abundant
00:02:17.740 alternative energy source so there's nothing to switch to so it just turns into a punishment
00:02:22.820 so that didn't work okay even if we only emit less than two percent of the world's global emissions
00:02:29.420 fine that still didn't work because people still need to drive to work and heat their homes and eat
00:02:33.900 food so then they had to change their comms plan it's like oh okay we're not robbing you blind
00:02:39.540 we're actually making you richer that flies in the face of the idea of a deterrence that's the whole
00:02:46.560 point of this carbon tax was to make stuff more expensive so that us dummies would switch to other
00:02:52.700 things but that's not working out for him no and the hilarious thing is that if you were to do something
00:02:58.960 if you were to enact a policy that makes people richer my goodness are there better ways to sell that
00:03:04.560 like hey everyone here's a free check like this is just it makes you feel you're being hoodwinked
00:03:10.220 well i mean you are being hoodwinked but the government's saying okay you pay us you know a dollar more
00:03:15.240 every time you do this then we're going to give you five dollars every quarter and you're thinking
00:03:20.060 well okay this is how con men speak yes this is how con men try to sell you on things they come up
00:03:27.220 with this scheme that makes it so convoluted and complicated where it sounds good but you you know
00:03:32.180 you're getting screwed at the end and that's the thing here i mean canadians need to know they're
00:03:35.900 getting screwed because otherwise there would be no point and again the government's even like
00:03:39.880 abandoned this because originally it was a price on carbon pollution shouldn't be free which in and
00:03:44.900 of itself is based on a premise that's incredibly flawed but at the end of it i'm waiting to see
00:03:50.500 the eight in ten canadians that are supposedly better off this is it so again you've nailed it so let's
00:03:57.440 move on now to the magically eight and ten canadians are better off okay so just on the surface
00:04:02.120 of it so i don't know you know lots of people have lots of different types of jobs but do you
00:04:06.760 remember that time where you're in a coffee shop and you're this long lost buddy from school sits
00:04:12.180 you down and starts explaining this new investment scheme he's got going it's a pyramid scheme okay
00:04:17.840 you give him money he gives the other person money and then you magically at some point get your
00:04:22.340 money back meanwhile he's taking off to mexico somewhere this is what this is okay but he just
00:04:29.000 happens to be in a suit and tie and be standing in front of a tv camera so it all looks official
00:04:34.680 so don't even take it from the canadian taxpayers federation okay like we've been fighting this
00:04:39.080 forever we literally have the bumper sticker in the t-shirt we know this fine take it from the
00:04:45.000 parliamentary budget officer okay it's an independent arm's length government watchdog that keeps an eye
00:04:50.600 on their spending okay just the spending this year the average alberta family will be out nine hundred
00:04:59.480 dollars net that is with the rebates factored in okay like they they've done the math on their big
00:05:06.920 calculator okay and the way they do that is of course the carbon tax isn't just you filling up your
00:05:13.960 little honda civic okay and spending around eight to ten dollars extra every time you fill up in the
00:05:19.640 carbon tax it's not just that it's your home heating okay it is the food that the trucker had to haul to
00:05:27.320 your grocery store it's the food that the farmer had to grow keeping his poultry barns warm and his grain dry
00:05:34.200 all of this level of taxation cascades to the economy and you dear taxpayer are the ones who pay it the
00:05:41.560 parliamentary budget officer to their credit did all of that math they said no no no it's not just
00:05:48.120 your little rebate that you might be getting from your local gas station once you're finished filling
00:05:52.040 up no it's the cascade of that carbon tax effect and that is why alberta families are out net nine
00:06:00.120 hundred dollars this year and further it just to your point i'm so glad you described what gaslighting
00:06:05.720 means because a lot of times i think people just use that term and they don't realize how
00:06:11.560 awful and insidious gaslighting is right it's to put it in a more simplistic term it's like you're
00:06:18.280 in the schoolyard and the bully is like grabbing your own hand and hitting you with it and he's
00:06:23.000 saying stop hitting yourself stop hitting yourself i have an older brother i'm familiar yeah me too
00:06:27.960 i got three of them right and so you know name 10 chocolate bars i still shudder right so this is what
00:06:34.200 prime minister is doing here but on a macro scale and he's taking money from people and it's just
00:06:39.800 fundamentally unfair which is why we're now seeing i think it's seven in ten premiers saying no more
00:06:45.960 carbon tax they i think i think the tide is turned on this yeah and and then you know uh wab canoe the
00:06:52.520 ndp premier in manitoba being very coy on this but but this is actually a good segue into some news in
00:06:57.720 in my own province uh ontario uh they no no don't boo uh the one so bonnie crombie who's the uh new
00:07:05.160 minister the new leader of the ontario liberal party now this is the party of kathleen wynn and
00:07:09.880 dalton mcginty this is like one of the most rabid radical environmental uh parties in the country when
00:07:17.560 they were there this is the country or the province that brought in cap and trade ontario that like
00:07:22.680 terrible terrible record on this that brought in the wind turbines that were that just there's no
00:07:27.560 business case for so bonnie crombie the leader of the ontario liberal party has said that if she wins the
00:07:33.400 election and she defeats doug ford's progressive conservatives in 2026 there will be no provincial
00:07:39.880 carbon tax for consumers now this is a big big development and i i mean the overton window what
00:07:47.080 this tells me is that the overton window on the carbon tax has shifted where you can't really be
00:07:52.280 elected without opposing it and provincial governments are getting this provincial parties
00:07:57.160 are you have ndp leadership candidates in alberta saying no to the carbon tax you've got the ontario
00:08:02.120 liberals the newfoundland liberals everyone but justin trudeau i know he's the last one to get it
00:08:08.200 right i had this i sent to my friend i said bring an umbrella because pigs are flying in ontario today
00:08:14.760 like i want to go get you know those dollar store fairy wings you can get our angel wings i want to go
00:08:19.560 stick them on porky the waste hater our big uh our pig mascot in ottawa make make franco do cartwheels on
00:08:25.880 parliament hill with it so to your point and again i lived in ontario at the time when the liberals
00:08:31.640 were in charge and they destroyed the affordability for your power bill so i remember distinctly myself
00:08:40.200 we had a very small bungalow that we were renting we were using natural gas for heat i was obsessively
00:08:45.960 doing laundry like after midnight using only led uh bulbs and our power bill was still more than 400
00:08:53.320 a month and i i was getting off easy compared to some like kathy katula and some of those folks who
00:08:58.760 were living in more rural areas that were getting power bills that were more than a thousand dollars
00:09:03.880 so the reason why i'm telling you this little story because it doesn't sound like carbon taxi stuff
00:09:09.400 the same geniuses who invented the clean energy act in ontario and ruined people's affordability
00:09:16.760 they scurried up after they got booted out of office they scurried from queens park guess where
00:09:22.040 they scurried up to ottawa they're the ones that created the legislation for this current federal
00:09:28.280 carbon tax my friend and so that is why andrew and i are highlighting this guys we have to keep an eye
00:09:34.120 on these people but politically speaking bringing it around full circle to your point to have that same
00:09:41.240 party leader now so different lady same party though and she's leader saying no provincial carbon tax
00:09:47.880 politics my how things have changed so i don't know what's going to happen like is the prime minister
00:09:53.560 going to you know see the lesson here and cave to politics by the way sorry dude but you're a
00:09:59.320 politician like i don't know if you knew this but you're in the arena it is your job to listen to
00:10:05.560 people and no it's like the number it's like the number one thing you do when you run for office you
00:10:10.520 you come up with an excuse to say i'm not a politician but it's like well you because i tried that
00:10:15.320 when i ran for office in 2018 i'm not a politician but that but i was a politician at that point doesn't
00:10:20.040 mean i was like every other politician but once you're elected like the pretense is completely gone
00:10:25.000 like dude your name is on a lawn sign like i'm literally watching you like kissing babies and
00:10:29.800 shaking hands like you're a politician so this is it this is so we can't pop the champagne on this yet
00:10:35.960 there's still a long way to go uh but it's really good to see the narrative changing as the kids say in
00:10:41.640 school on the carbon tax because a few years ago you might remember the former leader of the
00:10:46.600 conservative party even was totally in favor of the carbon tax he was just calling it something
00:10:51.640 different and we were going to get a solar blender or whatever yeah exactly just like canadian tire but
00:10:56.840 you get an e-bike so let me just ask briefly about this so doug ford has said that he cannot he does not
00:11:05.480 have the latitude that say scott mo does so scott mo they've just stopped remitting the carbon tax
00:11:11.800 but they also have a pure crown corporation energy provider which ontario does not and and so i i that
00:11:18.360 that argument makes sense but what do we know the mechanism that bonnie crombie is proposing here
00:11:23.640 so that she can get rid of this consumer carbon tax i think now i don't want to speak for her but my
00:11:29.560 understanding was that if there were no federal tax she would not bring one home to roost in ontario
00:11:35.880 okay so she's not pledging to do like the scott mo thing of just like somehow exempting from the
00:11:42.120 federal hey if she could all the power to her i was gonna say i might even vote for her if she can do
00:11:47.080 that yeah hey you want to throw shoes at our bad boyfriend girl i will help you i will send you
00:11:52.040 shoes to throw at this man so the same way that danielle smith is doing here the premier of alberta
00:11:57.000 it was funny she was like how on earth do i do what mo did do i create this little shell of a
00:12:03.080 crown corporation like we don't usually like crown corporations but i understand the usefulness in this
00:12:07.480 particular fight so she's trying to figure out how to do that too because she's in this kind of friendly
00:12:12.120 competition with premier scott mo next door on how much each of them can stand up to prime minister
00:12:18.200 trudeau yeah a little note though and again i'm speaking directly to the people who love your show
00:12:24.280 who are probably fans of the premier like i personally have an awful lot of time for the lady
00:12:29.400 um jurisdictionally though she's doing something wrong she's going to be increasing the provincial
00:12:36.280 fuel tax here on the same day that prime minister justin trudeau is jacking up the federal carbon tax
00:12:42.600 and like it's just math this is nothing personal that's not good she's increasing it by four cents a
00:12:48.680 liter it's on schedule on april 1st the provincial fuel tax is going up four cents a liter and federally
00:12:55.640 speaking the carbon tax is going up three cents a liter so not a good look like so the the alberta
00:13:02.680 premier's really got to pay attention to the home roost here and not jack up her fuel tax especially on the
00:13:07.800 same day that that prime minister trudeau is jacking up his carbon tax yeah very well said and judging by
00:13:13.720 your t-shirt your kind offer to the country still stands that for the low price of one dollar a day
00:13:19.640 you are one dollar a year that's right you will be her excellency governor general chris sims which
00:13:24.760 you know what we could do a lot worse uh well pretty much anyone else would be worse so all right chris
00:13:29.320 always good to talk to you thanks so much for coming on today bye thanks for listening to the andrew
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