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- January 09, 2025
Trudeau is OUT...sort of
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welcome back everyone to another episode of the northern dispatch we're only two weeks into 2025
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and this year has already been insane we're kind of at that stage now where we're looking at a year
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that may be uh one of the most insane years in canadian history and i think it's safe to say
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that and it's only been two weeks justin trudeau has announced his resignation or more accurately
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his intention to resign within three or so months we're not exactly sure what that timeline is going
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to look like we also have renewed threats from the incoming president we are about a week and a half
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away from him taking back the white house and he is already saying that he's going to annex canada
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through economic force so everything is just going swimmingly in this country and we've got
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some comments to read out from our show i believe it's three weeks ago we had to take a pause last
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week and uh we've got these comments here now we've got this one from henry sams 7174 i believe that no
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news agency should be government funded and i think most canadians would agree with you there henry no
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new no public funding for news agencies in this country so we have heather 1991 they aren't
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journalists they're activists and this is this is i think what canadians are are feeling across many
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of the mainstream media outlets because what they're seeing isn't unbiased it is extremely biased and
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especially when you see some of these news agencies actively actively manipulating footage to make
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certain political parties or certain political leaders look poorly how can you think anything but
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and then we have jim spence 1741 saying news outlets should report the news not create it absolutely when
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you are reporting the news when you are behind the camera you should be behind the camera the news should
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be what's happening in front of you not you yourself well if the news agency ends up becoming
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the story you know you're doing something wrong amen to that absolutely i think we have to rearrange the
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way we do these poll questions to the audiences uh the audience guys because i think we're we're proposing
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questions that are almost too obvious but because we've done it we're going to have to read out the results and
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hopefully this next poll question might get us some more variety last episode's poll question was is just
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trudeau intentionally manipulating the economy for political points yes 97.7 percent of course what
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a surprise there who could have seen that one coming let's see if we can get some variety here in this
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question the poll question which you can find in the pinned comment of this video is this will the
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court uphold the pro regret prorogation in the upcoming court challenge of the pro regret prorogation i'm
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having trouble with that word guys i i apologize but ryan why don't i just ask you that question
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right now we know that there is now a court challenge to justin trudeau's prorogation what
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do you think is going to happen well the um this this is the whole interesting answer to this question
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is i don't know um and the reason why i don't know is because this is unprecedented this type of
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challenge in canada and the um the lawyers that are actually bringing this this challenge are actually
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relying on a case from the uk back in 2019 when boris johnson prorogued parliament or tried to
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when the whole brexit deal was going on and the argument uh in that challenge was that there's a
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crisis facing the country you are preventing parliamentarians from actually debating the the
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issue addressing the issue and you're doing this for partisan reasons to to save your party not for
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the actual you know betterment of the country or not following normal procedure practices so the the
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judgment from the uk supreme court actually stated that the supreme court justices found that boris
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johnson was frustrating members of parliament by actually proroguing and that's going to be probably
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the one and only case law precedent that is going to be brought to bear here so there's going to be
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some interesting discussion in terms of does this apply our court systems are in some cases very
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different than the uk system our parliamentary system is very similar but not exact so um
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the other question is is which judge is going to be sitting in front of this which judges our supreme
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court is made up primarily of liberal appointed judges is that going to play a factor we
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hope not but it's going to come down to i don't know we're just going to have to see how this plays
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out and and see if the legal arguments are are upheld in the merit so the case really comes down to
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you know whether or not one is allowed to close down parliament in a national crisis when the people
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need a parliament when the people need a parliament to keep the government going i would argue tanya that
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we're facing a national crisis right now we are looking at a situation in which our economy could
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be entirely destroyed by a massive terror from the united states does it feel as though the prime
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minister has simply abandoned his post at a time when the country actually needs a prime minister
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no matter how popular or unpopular he is well i think there's multiple crises that are kind of
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happening at the same time here the crisis you're speaking about is the crisis crisis of trump coming
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into office and threatening these tariffs against canada i think absolutely we need a government in
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power at the time that can handle that but during prorogation the ministers are still kind of there
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they're in the background they're not really doing the full amount of work that they would because
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we're not legislating right parliament uh the house of commons and the senate are both not sitting
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but they they don't just abandon post like ottawa is not completely empty there are people there to
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keep the lights on mainly the ministers now the other crisis that's happening right now is the crisis
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within the liberal party itself and i think the question is is it fair for the prime minister to prorogue
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parliament knowing that he's facing a confidence vote because on the 7th which was the day after the
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prime minister prorogued parliament the conservatives and the other opposition parties were going to work
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on a motion to bring it to the house to request a non-confidence vote so that would have toppled
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the government is trudeau avoiding a non-confidence vote and is he using prorogation to the party's
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benefit in order to take some time off essentially and have a liberal leadership race while the
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opposition parties cannot vote non-confidence because parliament is prorogued so are they
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essentially choosing the next leader without the ability for the opposition to take the house down
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well and the other thing that i'll jump in there on the 25 tariffs harrison is that
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it's a multi-faceted issue because if there wasn't let's say the election wasn't going to be held for
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two more years and this was a majority government and trudeau prorogue parliament it wouldn't be as
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bad because you at least would have donald trump negotiating with the government that he knew
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was the was the government of canada wasn't going anywhere and at least from a stability point of
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view it's a position of strength the issue here is that everyone can see that this government can
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fall at any time if there is an opportunity for a confidence vote and donald trump and his
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administration will know that anyone he's talking to in government right now doesn't really have the
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authority to speak for the government because it's going to die within a few months anyway so
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this whole thing um prorogation is an issue in that you're delaying the election to actually put
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in a new government with a strong mandate that would be able to i would say have meaningful
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negotiations negotiations with donald trump and it would actually probably make a lot of this
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behavior that donald trump is is exhibiting right now here disappear because he's taking advantage of
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weakness he sees what's going on and he's trying to exploit it we're going to get into that later
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on in the show because it's it's significant it requires attention but on this crisis unfolding in
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the liberal party right now we talk about how yes the cabinet ministers are still going to be around and
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still going to be able to look over their files but also several of them are trying to become the next
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prime minister they're trying to win the next liberal leadership race with all these different
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questions about who can vote in the liberal leadership race what that's going to look like
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what are you guys seeing in terms of of who is going to be that next leader the next prime minister of
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our country i honestly don't think there's any obvious front runner like when pierre had his leadership
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race uh back in 2022 i remember seeing the video on on facebook and going that's the man that's
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going to be our next prime minister he's going to lead the opposition and then he's going to become
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prime minister like it was very obvious to me and it was also very obvious to the voters in the
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leadership convention he won with like i think something like 70 of the vote it was a huge share
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he won in the first round now with the liberal leaders all these folks that are starting to come
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forward they're coming out of the woodwork i really don't see a strong contender for leader
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well and the the other thing too is anyone that is a current sitting mp
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is if they become liberal leader they're going to get trounced in the election because the automatic
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argument coming from every opposition party is you were here you voted for all these policies
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you're just as bad as justin trudeau case closed now the other issue is that anyone that is coming
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in from the outside they have a better chance of actually running in the the election we just saw
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i believe is frank bayless who just announced his uh well as much as you can announce um he is uh
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intending on running for leader of the liberal party mark carney is considering it and uh christy
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clark has said that she's interested so those are the current current outsiders that we are aware the
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issue is that trudeau has turned this liberal brand into trudeauism almost um he's redefined what it
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means to be a liberal and it's attached to all of these far left policies that have destroyed the
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country so when you're coming in and we saw this with bayless on ctv when they ask him are you going
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to get rid of the carbon tax he has to say no because that has become an identity of the liberal party
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so he didn't really say no but he didn't say yes he's going to get rid of it well but we have to
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remember bayless isn't a complete outsider he hasn't been in politics for a number of years but
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he was in the liberal caucus from 2015 to 2019 so he like he helped lay the groundwork for trudeau's
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government he does anybody does anybody really know who that guy is i mean when it comes to name
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recognition i saw and i'm like okay uh who's that obviously it doesn't matter because he won't win in
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a field with you know a freeland and a mark carney that's the thing right it's a talk about a long
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shot candidacy uh but yeah yeah it's it's interesting because of course you would think
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that anybody with some sort of some level of political instinct would realize the carbon tax
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is an absolute no-go right if you start embracing the carbon tax you're just you're you're gonna you're
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gonna you're gonna lose no matter what yeah that's the slippery slope to to look they agree with the
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carbon tax they're gonna agree with every other policy yeah and and why why anyone who is an
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outsider technically would actually still defend that policy is is astonishing it shows they have
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basically zero political instinct and zero hope i think of of becoming the next leader of the
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liberal party and i just can't for the life of me understand why someone of the caliber of mark carney
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would want to become the the temporary prime minister uh yeah maybe maybe it's due to a
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a very a very you know serious amount of uh patriotism and love of the country and feels like
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oh i can i can help out for the next two months uh by being the prime minister but honestly are any
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are any of the politicians really like that uh we don't get a sense that these are um if i were to pick
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one that would be the quote unquote front runner so you know the least rotten of the rotten fruit
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it would probably be christopher friedland riding on the coattails of her girl power
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you know exit but i i don't think that's going to go very far this is probably going to be a
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many many round uh uh selection of a uh of a liberal party leader you have mark carney
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he's he's problematic if he is smart if he's as smart as everybody says he is he needs to wait
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until after the election and then start a leadership bid to to wrestle this party from the ashes um
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yeah because if he goes now he's just he's going down with the sinking ship like the liberals have not
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hit rock bottom yet they are on their way but they haven't done it yet and if mark carney tries
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to come in and take over the party as leader um unfortunately he's going to do very very poorly
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in the next election yeah so um i i don't know why he wouldn't wait well and dominic leblanc also
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announced today that he's not going to be running for the leader of the liberal party which um if he
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was i would have put him as probably absolutely the most sensible one yeah absolutely i was going to
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say to me he was the person that i think would have been the best suited to uh to see through
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the rest of the mandate and to uh to put up some some kind of challenge uh at an election but again
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we have to think about the situation the country is in right now the fact is regardless of who the
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liberal party selects that prime minister without any mandate without any really without any confidence
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of the parliament will still have to lead this country for a few months and still have to represent
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this country at a time in which uh our country is entering a very strange period in our history i i
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believe there are significant issues and if you aren't the helm even if it is for four months you have
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to be competent you have to be serious so maybe there is an argument to say someone like mark carney he comes
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in right he takes over the party knowing that they're going to uh knowing that they're going to lose
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but they say okay you're going to take over but you're going to hold on at least until the next
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federal election we're going to give you a next kick at the can as sort of the the top caliber candidate
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um i just don't see anyone else who has the name recognition has the background and has the ability
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to uh to to be a serious candidate other than mark carney well and the other thing to consider is
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they're not even going to have a couple months right so how this will play out is since justin
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trudeau is the interim prime minister until a new leader is chosen what's going to happen is let's
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say the liberal party somehow gets a a leadership raise done and over with by march 24th when pro
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propagation is set to end okay fine so they get that let's say in the you know second week of march
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all right new prime minister great the prorogation ends on march 24th a throne speech is going to be
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given and then the government will fall immediately thereafter in the confidence vote so um so they're
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going to be basically prime minister for formally for about a week or two and then they're going to
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go to an election now they're technically prime minister through the election because you know the
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the government still has to to function but that's going to be it um and so until then we're going to
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be saddled with justin trudeau and his weak cabinet to deal with this um how much damage is going to be
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done as a result of that we will have to see but um it's if they had more time and again if if justin
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trudeau had worked with the liberal party to figure this out um ahead of time you would have been correct
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the new prime minister would have had maybe three or four months to kind of get their feet wet get
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some control over parliament at least give canadians a demonstration of what they might have been in uh
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in power after the next election and maybe they would have had a better shot but justin trudeau has
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completely sabotaged the liberal party going into the next election and probably for the next 48 years
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now let's look ahead just to what these challenges are going to be that are going to face
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pierre pauliev when he becomes prime minister which is looking very likely and what these what the these
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next few months are going to look like for canada if we were assuming that the threat of a 25 tariff on
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all canadian uh products entering the united states was a bluff or a negotiating tactic i think that the
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the the the press conference we heard from donald trump earlier this week in which he said that he
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would use economic force to annex canada i'm pretty sure that tariff is coming into place uh and i'm
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pretty sure it's going to have devastating effects what exactly do you think that's going to look like
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and how that's going to play out over the next few months are we is i don't even know if we've actually
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lived through something like this but i would imagine immediate pain and also some long-term pain
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as well yeah that's if he goes through with it um i i go back to this so if you assume that donald
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trump is a competent businessman which he is not completely incompetent because otherwise he would
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have lost all of the billions of dollars that he's earned so he's he's at least competent and if
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he's a competent businessman then he knows that a 25 tariff yes would be disastrous for the canadian
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economy but it would also be disastrous for a lot of americans as well especially all of the american
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organizations that use our oil and gas and any of the other imports that we take steel and and
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everything that comes out of canada so it's going to hurt them as well so sure if if he's going to put
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in a 25 tariff i imagine that's going to be very very time limited otherwise the entire country is
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going to turn against him very very quickly and congress and the senate are going to turn against
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them very very quickly because the republicans will become deeply unpopular at a rapid rate so
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that's that's one thing that i would put forward um the other thing that i would say is
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when you're playing poker or any type of uh game where you are playing psychological games over your
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opponent uh and donald trump loves to play these games if you're bluffing and you notice that your
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opponent might might believe you you usually double down to try to exert even more pressure and that's
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what i see donald trump doing um if he were to try to do anything um in terms of annexing canada through
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economic um forces or anything like that he's gonna need the help of congress he's gonna need
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the help of the senate and i don't believe for a second that they would actually back him in that so
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i think this is a lot of posturing from donald trump but the problem is is he's the next president
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coming in and you have to at least pay attention to what he's saying and how do you think tanya pierre
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pauliev at this point should be reacting we we've seen a we've seen a strong tweet that he posted
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yesterday as every political leader did in this country um we've seen him say that there is that
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that canada will never become the 51st state donald trump responded to that saying i don't care what
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the leader of the conservative party has to say um and he doesn't he obviously doesn't show him any
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respect so how do you think pierre pauliev as a as a prime minister in waiting should be reacting to
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what we're now seeing which regardless as you know it could be a bluff but i at the same time i think
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there needs to be a response um and it is unprecedented for canada so what do you think he should be doing
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i think he handled it well actually um he he answered that you know he was for canada in support of
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canada and he left donald trump's name completely out of that tweet if you notice so he's not giving
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trump the attention but he's bolstering canada he's standing behind canadians and honestly i think that's
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what you do when somebody is is kind of bearing down on you like this you don't give them the attention
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you don't make it about them you make it about supporting your country your countrymen your economy
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when you contrast that to justin trudeau's response right there's not a snowball's chance in hell that
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we're going to be so that's immature well what that if you contrast those two two responses right there
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one is from someone that sounds like they're literally screaming through their through their
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keyboard they're screaming through their their phone and one is very measured and it's a perfect way
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to deal with somebody like this and pierre knows how to deal with with people like donald trump
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because pierre knows how to be like donald trump when he needs to be when he is the antagonist that's
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not going to be his role going forward his role is to provide calm stability and leadership to canadians
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so i agree the fact that he didn't even mention donald trump's name he just said yeah that's not
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going to happen this is what i'm going to do you don't give it air and you don't give it oxygen
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and any response and if i were pierre i wouldn't respond to trump's response i would just focus on moving
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forward and and do what i do because if you don't respond to it it's not going to come back
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what do you guys make of the announcement that he made before saying that he would use economic force
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to absorb and annex canada he said that he would be willing to uh he wouldn't rule out using military
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force to annex greenland now on a pure foreign policy basis um if that were to happen i in my in my
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opinion there would need to be again another serious decision as to how canada approaches this
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and how a canadian government would handle something like that regardless of if it's military or not
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in previous in previous eras the canadian government would be very forceful in their in their reaction
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to something like that are we in a place where we just have no recourse whatsoever and we're just
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along for the ride and we're gonna just watch what happens well again this is where we we love relying
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on our knowledge of procedure um so donald trump can say that he's going to use military force to
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annex greenland he can't without congress congressional approval he actually has to get approval from
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congress in order to do that so now if congress says sure we'll back you donald trump no problem okay
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now it's a different conversation and if the us really wanted to march up here is there anything
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we can do no absolutely not there's nothing we could do from from a military standpoint but the the
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difference is is if if the united states wants to essentially rebrand themselves as another you know
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totalitarian and and you know dictatorship state a you know they want to rebrand themselves as
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essentially the new germany of 1939 have at her if that wants to be your legacy that's you know
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that's that's totally up to you but there's no way that a the american people would let that happen
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and there's no way that congress would let that happen so this is as far as i'm concerned it's it's
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bluster and unfortunately i think it's going to be damaging the reputation in the united states
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i i would agree and i think it already has in fact you've already seen reports and posts from european
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world leaders saying that these comments at that press conference are very strange bizarre and we
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we're not very happy to hear this sort of thing tanya do you think justin true you think all of this is
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actually about justin trudeau feeling as though he needs to he needs to help continue negotiating on
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behalf of canada with donald trump as he comes into office like how much how much of this you
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think is about that and if and if there wasn't any threat do you think he would have just bowed out and
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called an election um if i had to guess i would say that trump probably doesn't like trudeau very much
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especially from all the things that he and his ministers have been saying over the past four years
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they thought donald trump was gone for good they thought he was out of office they thought those
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criminal charges would stick and that he'd never be president again and well they were wrong so now
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that trudeau is weak that the liberal government is weak i think trump is taking every opportunity to
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kind of stick it to them he's trash talking them he's intimidating them he's making them look like
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fools on the world stage i think that's exactly what this is yeah i think it's almost personal between
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donald trump and i think he's reveling every minute of this and he sees the over the top reaction
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in justin trudeau's tweet and i think donald trump is sitting back in his chair and he's just smiling
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and laughing at him but do you think that trudeau genuinely believes that he is the man that can best
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handle trump and that if again if there was no if there was no issue trudeau would just back off because
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i get the impression that a lot of what we're seeing now is actually because of the post that
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donald trump has made the decisions that he has made right freeland cited that as the reason for her
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resignation and it was that resignation which mounted the the liberal caucus revolt 2.0 that took trudeau
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down um but he could he could have just left right he could have just left and kept parliament intact but
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he didn't do that um so why do you think why do you think that is is that because he wants to be able to
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deal with trump as trump enters office for the next what could be two three probably at least
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a month and a half two months um i don't even know if it had anything to do with trump i think
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that if trudeau had stepped down and there was no liberal leader and parliament was not prorogued
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as in we went back to session on january 27th the leaders of the opposition parties would have voted
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non-confidence they would have gotten their parties to vote non-confidence and we'd be going to an
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election even sooner with the liberal party in an extremely weakened state i think a lot of this is
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trump um sorry trudeau trying to protect the liberal party um trying to protect them from this catastrophic
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loss that he had a huge hand in in creating well but to your point harrison um on the main question
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yeah i think i think justin trudeau think he's he is still the messiah i think he thinks that
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um he is the only person to be able to deal with trump i think the fact that it's obvious that he's
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taken some of these tweets from donald trump personally that he's been publicly embarrassed
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both by donald trump and on saturday night live um is that he feels that you know he's the fighter and
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he needs to to stand up to the bully you know et cetera et cetera et cetera um and i think it's driving
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him nuts that he's he's losing this battle and he's not going to be having that um it's it's an
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interesting question because if we didn't have the tariffs would freeland have resigned at that point
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that that's an interesting question so um and i and i don't think we'll ever get the answer to that but
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um i think i i think you're right i think he probably does have this again this narcissist need to to say
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nobody else can deal with us only i can and nobody understands that i'm the only one that can deal
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with this and it's no longer just saturday saturday night live going after him cbc's 22 minutes is
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going after him quite uh relentlessly and i have to say i sometimes they're a bit corny right uh but
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some of them have some of the recent uh bits that 22 minutes have done on justin trudeau have made me
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laugh genuinely i i never thought i would laugh at cbc comedy but like so many things in this country here we
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are and i guess things are changing we're gonna have to leave it there but i want to remind the
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viewers about this new poll question linked in the top comment of the video the poll question is this
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will the court uphold prorogation in the upcoming court challenge let us know your answer to that poll
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question also get involved in the comments section we may read your comment on the next episode of the
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northern dispatch but until next week it's all we have time for we'll leave it there thank you all for
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