Juno News - November 02, 2018


Trudeau's Immigration Minister BULLIES Ontario MPP Lisa MacLeod

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Lisa McLeod John Tory
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In this episode, I sit down with Ontario's Social Development Minister Lisa McLeod to discuss the growing number of asylum seekers in Toronto's shelter system, and why she thinks they are not genuine refugees. I also speak with the Mayor of Toronto, John Tory, about his views on the issue.

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00:00:00.000 On the issue of refugees, I mean, we have Lisa McLeod saying that 40% of Toronto shelter occupants are refugees.
00:00:06.840 They're saying there's a crisis there.
00:00:08.160 We have numbers that show in 2017, 25% of those occupants were refugees.
00:00:13.180 In 2016, it was just 11%.
00:00:15.000 Lisa McLeod is engaged in fear-mongering and using this issue to demonize people. 1.00
00:00:21.600 The fact of the matter is the Toronto...
00:00:23.000 What evidence do you have for that?
00:00:24.060 Well, I'll tell you, the Toronto shelter system does not ask questions on the status of those who are seeking shelter in their system.
00:00:34.380 So her department is lying when they say that there are 46% of people there?
00:00:36.820 How would Lisa McLeod know who's accessing the system if the temporary housing shelter system in Toronto does not collect stats based on status?
00:00:47.560 Wasn't John Tory also saying that, though, as well?
00:00:49.960 Is he lying, too?
00:00:50.640 No, I'm saying that the figures that are being thrown around are not based on facts.
00:00:57.620 They're based on speculation.
00:00:59.900 There are not...
00:01:01.140 The status of people seeking access to the shelter system in Toronto is unknown.
00:01:08.060 Therefore, to put a number on that is simply not factual.
00:01:11.880 So you're saying her department is not factual when they say that 46% of those occupants...
00:01:16.680 I'm saying that it doesn't withstand scrutiny.
00:01:18.560 And the record of Lisa McLeod speaks for itself.
00:01:21.280 She has not engaged in our plan to engage with the city of Toronto to triage asylum seekers away from Toronto by regionalizing the issue so that we can have other cities step in to work together.
00:01:34.280 Explain what you mean by that.
00:01:35.820 What I mean by that is this issue...
00:01:37.380 Canadians expect all orders of government to work together when we have challenges.
00:01:42.080 On the issue of asylum seekers, the federal government has stepped up.
00:01:45.580 We've provided not only funding through the Canada Social Transfer, we've provided additional funding of $50 million, $11 million of which will go to Toronto and Ontario to deal with this issue.
00:01:57.520 Now, we had a plan in place to work through Ontario and Toronto to conduct a triage system that will relieve pressure from the city of Toronto.
00:02:07.620 The province of Ontario chose to walk away from that system.
00:02:11.020 We're still at the table.
00:02:12.160 We're working with the city of Toronto to triage people away.
00:02:15.240 And we have successfully done that to the city of Chatham, Ontario, and others to relieve pressure from Toronto.
00:02:23.600 So we're there.
00:02:24.340 We're providing not only funding, but we're actually bringing solutions to the table.
00:02:28.420 The government of Ontario is not doing that.
00:02:30.060 They're not engaged.
00:02:31.140 Instead, they've unfortunately decided to engage in fear-mongering and demonizing of asylum seekers, which is not what Canada is all about.
00:02:38.400 Do you feel that John Tory also demonized asylum seekers?
00:02:40.920 Because he raised the exact same concerns, to be fair.
00:02:43.120 Well, I engaged Mayor Tory on that, and I told him that we will always be there for the city of Toronto.
00:02:49.660 The difference between John Tory and Lisa McLeod is that Minister McLeod has called asylum seekers' names.
00:02:55.820 What has she called them?
00:02:57.120 She has called them, she has labeled all of them as economic immigrants.
00:03:01.980 And she said that none of them are genuine refugees, which is something that we trust our Immigration Refugee Board to do. 1.00
00:03:09.100 And so we have to respect the system that we have.
00:03:11.920 We have mechanisms in place.
00:03:13.400 You're saying that Lisa McLeod said not a single asylum seeker is a genuine refugee?
00:03:16.860 When did she say that?
00:03:17.800 No, she said on her Twitter that these are economic migrants, that they're not genuine refugees.
00:03:23.920 So this is factual.
00:03:25.280 It's on the record.
00:03:26.000 But the fact of the matter is the IRB is in charge of determining who's a genuine refugee and who is not.
00:03:32.580 And we have to respect the independence of the Immigration Refugee Board.
00:03:36.400 Those who are determined to be refugees will stay in Canada. 0.75
00:03:39.620 Those who are not will be asked to leave our country.
00:03:42.420 That is part of our law.
00:03:43.380 Do you understand, though, the concern, and I understand it's a political issue between you and your government and the government in Ontario,
00:03:50.680 but the idea that is being expressed that there is sort of, you know, there are services available, in Toronto specifically the shelter system,
00:04:02.660 that they're saying, you know, critics are saying that your government's plan is not adequately working,
00:04:08.660 that this is not a sustainable way to manage this issue?
00:04:13.640 First of all, I would point those folks.
00:04:16.540 It's fair to have concerns about asylum seekers. 1.00
00:04:20.420 But the fact of the matter is the numbers have gone down 75 percent.
00:04:23.940 So if our plan was not working, why are the numbers down 75 percent?
00:04:26.680 Well, actually, the numbers are up this time.
00:04:29.680 I'm talking about the numbers compared to last year.
00:04:33.880 Well, you're talking month to month.
00:04:35.060 If you're talking year over year, there's actually more asylum seekers that have crossed into Canada this time this year compared to this time last year.
00:04:40.480 What Canadians expect us to do is to work with all orders of government to make sure that when challenges present themselves,
00:04:48.760 that we come up with solutions that each level of government is able to implement.
00:04:53.820 The federal government is there.
00:04:55.280 We've worked very closely with the city of Toronto.
00:04:58.300 We were willing to engage the province of Ontario.
00:05:02.120 They decided not to be part of the solution.
00:05:04.200 We haven't left the city of Toronto on its own.
00:05:07.840 We've provided not only money but a triage system to triage people away from the city of Toronto while they wait for their hearings.
00:05:15.640 We have to let the system take its course.