Juno News - Trudeau sobs ⧸ Trump pauses tariffs ⧸ a DRUG WAR or a TRADE WAR？ (ft Sam Cooper & Colin Craig)

00:00:00.000 so today the United States launched a trade war against Canada their closest partner and ally their

00:00:14.600 closest friend Canada Canada seems to think we're in a trade war and not only seems to think we're

00:00:20.920 in a trade war they're dramatically provoking the trade war with threats of retaliation it's a drug

00:00:27.000 war, not a trade war. So we'll be announcing the tariffs on Canada and Mexico for a number of

00:00:35.020 reasons. Number one is the people that have poured into our country so horribly and so much. Number 1.00

00:00:40.980 two, the drugs, fentanyl and everything else that have come into the country. You announced tariffs

00:00:45.840 on Canada and Mexico. You immediately got action from both of them on border security and drug

00:00:50.320 interdiction. I did. A lot of action. Is that good enough? Is that good enough? No, it's not good enough.

00:00:54.540 So more needed in 30 days.

00:00:56.900 Something has to happen.

00:00:58.040 It's not sustainable.

00:00:59.280 Let me be crystal clear.

00:01:01.840 There is absolutely no justification or need whatsoever for these tariffs today. 0.99

00:01:11.380 Donald, even though you're a very smart guy, this is a very dumb thing to do. 0.94

00:01:17.700 Earlier today, Trudeau also referred to the president as Donald 1.00

00:01:21.400 and said that this was a stupid move on the president's part. 0.98

00:01:25.900 What's your response to Prime Minister Trudeau on that? 1.00

00:01:29.380 Right. Well, respectfully, this is not a trade war.

00:01:32.740 It's a drug war.

00:01:34.020 And with all of the intelligence that we've been gathering

00:01:37.360 from our intelligence agencies and our investigative people at the FBI and elsewhere,

00:01:43.580 the president is extraordinarily disappointed in the actions

00:01:46.780 the Canadians and Mexicans have taken to fight the drug war.

00:01:50.080 Make no mistake, in 2023, Canada, which claims it's an innocent party, we found increased fentanyl seizures by 2,000 percent in 2023.

00:02:02.160 And in Mexico, we know that the cartels operate basically without inspection by government or police officials because they're probably very often, especially in some regions, controlled by the cartels.

00:02:14.660 and we think that there are cartel influences in Canada if you look at the lack of progress we've made on the drug war.

00:02:20.840 Make no mistake that more than 100,000 people died from this last year

00:02:24.220 and the chemicals that are being shipped here are coming from China.

00:02:28.540 And so these people are killing Americans more than the Vietnam War 0.93

00:02:32.060 and when our intelligence agencies look at the actions that they're taking, they feel like they're not enough.

00:02:37.240 Canada has become a node of essentially Chinese infiltration and organized crime activity, especially in Vancouver. 0.95

00:02:48.720 And this was hard for people to believe, but Vancouver has become a production hub for China and a transshipment hub for fentanyl precursors.

00:02:58.680 Canadian regulated casinos first and foremost currency shops and real estate development

00:03:06.720 were being used at scale for Chinese money launders it's called the Vancouver model of

00:03:11.960 money laundering eventually I learned that Chinese state sponsored so we're talking about Chinese

00:03:17.620 intelligence Chinese military was directly involved with these underground Chinese criminal

00:03:24.340 networks that were facilitating this massive money laundering which tied into fentanyl uh triads in

00:03:32.820 that is chinese organized crime in toronto and vancouver are command and control for the fentanyl 0.63

00:03:39.060 money laundering of the type that was run through toronto dominion bank they're the bosses of mexican 0.99

00:03:44.740 cartel money laundering in canada and that's very strange mr trump hasn't said that yet but what he

00:03:50.660 did say the other day when people essentially reporters asked are you just trying to you know

00:03:56.180 is this a ploy to get canada to redo you know its trade deal and he said no there's massive fentanyl

00:04:02.100 coming from canada that fentanyl originates in china and so this gets to what donald trump is

00:04:08.340 saying from marco rubio you know now secretary of state a few months ago he wrote to canada's

00:04:14.420 Trade Minister, Mary Ying, and said, why is Canada a backdoor for slave-produced goods in

00:04:22.200 Xinjiang that have been blocked by the United States and then rerouted through Canada, trans-shipped

00:04:28.940 and come and stopped again at the U.S. border? So that's not about fentanyl, but that is about

00:04:34.980 a now senior Trump official telling Canada's Trade Minister, you're not doing anything to stop

00:04:42.600 these bad goods from China and you're hurting the United States. So I do believe that Trump's

00:04:48.120 Trump's office at a high level is concerned about China.

00:05:18.120 Thank you.

00:05:48.120 Thank you.

00:06:18.120 I'm Candice Malcolm and this is the Candice Malcolm show. Thank you so much for joining us.

00:06:42.520 Happy Friday, everyone. I hope everyone is having a great day so far. We have a lot of news to get

00:06:47.400 too. We're going to cover Justin Trudeau giving us a good final cry as his premiership in Canada,

00:06:53.320 his time as prime minister. It's finally coming to an end. We're going to talk about the latest

00:06:57.120 twist and turns with the on-again, off-again tariffs coming from US President Donald Trump.

00:07:02.840 We have Sam Coomber on the line. He's going to join us to talk about the elements of the drug

00:07:08.060 war. And we're going to talk about whether this is actually a trade war or perhaps it is a drug

00:07:12.180 war, as many Trump officials are now saying. And then later in the show, I'm going to be joined by

00:07:16.040 Colin Craig of Second Street to talk about how we can make Canada healthy again. Really looking

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00:08:35.960 So we need to tell that other side of the story.

00:08:37.580 and I want you to help us build the movement and build the future. Okay, I'm going to introduce

00:08:42.640 Sam Cooper because he is just a wealth of knowledge, has so much to say on so many topics,

00:08:47.780 and as you know, he's an award-winning investigative journalist and a best-selling

00:08:51.960 author. You can find Sam's work as well on Substack over at the Bureau. Previously to

00:08:57.520 starting his own independent media outlet, Sam worked for Global News. He wrote for a long time

00:09:02.400 for the Vancouver Sun. Incredibly respected journalist as good as it gets. Sam, thank you

00:09:06.660 so much for joining the program. Glad to be with you, Candice. Okay. So let's, let's start with

00:09:12.200 Justin Trudeau because I actually, when I first saw images of Trudeau yesterday, I thought it was

00:09:17.680 AI because I just didn't think that he would sob like that. Like with the whole bloodshot red eyes

00:09:23.040 sobbing on TV, I've seen him sort of have a tear in the past and sort of dab his eyes, but, but not

00:09:28.780 the waterworks like we saw. So what was prime minister saying? He was out there saying that he

00:09:34.180 will not remain as prime minister there was a rumor circulating around that he would stay on

00:09:38.100 as the prime minister as a caretaker prime minister during the election well he put those

00:09:42.580 rumors to bed so let's play a clip of him saying that he will not be staying on as prime minister

00:09:49.220 there's uncertainty in the situation not just from what's going on in the white house but also

00:09:52.980 in canada with your expected departure in possibly days away and also pending an election

00:09:59.300 are you worried about that having an impact on canada's ability to continue negotiating

00:10:02.980 with the United States? And are you considering playing some kind of caretaker role up to and

00:10:06.880 including staying on as a caretaker PM for a bit? No, I will not be. I look forward to a transition

00:10:14.060 to my duly elected successor in the coming days or week. And then we'll just play one more clip.

00:10:22.480 This is Trudeau breaking down into tears while discussing the latest in the Canada-US trade war

00:10:27.880 and his time in office.

00:10:30.940 On a personal level,

00:10:33.280 I've made sure that every single day in this office,

00:10:37.400 I put Canadians first, that I have people's backs.

00:10:41.440 And that's why I'm here to tell you all that we got you.

00:10:47.540 Even in the very last days of this government,

00:10:50.320 we will not let Canadians down today and long into the future.

00:10:55.880 so trudeau very serious uh very upset maybe just reflecting on his time as prime minister

00:11:02.780 and all the times that he did let canadians down i mean when i think of justin trudeau's time in

00:11:08.400 office i will forever think of him unleashing the emergencies act on peaceful protesters in ottawa

00:11:13.680 and the way that he demonized those truckers and those canadians who are demanding freedom uh the

00:11:18.520 way that he completely demonized the unvaccinated through the campaign i went on french tv and asked

00:11:23.880 whether we should even tolerate people who refuse to take the jab. Trudeau was a divisive prime

00:11:29.800 minister. And I think he's starting to realize, you know, his time has come to an end. And I don't

00:11:34.940 think that the history books will look very kindly on Trudeau as prime minister. Now, Sam, I, you

00:11:41.320 know, you look at things more from the nuts and bolts in the investigative realm, not as much as

00:11:47.240 a sort of a political commentator. But what was your takeaway from sort of one of his final

00:11:51.480 appearances as prime minister. You're right. I'm very much a sort of a fact-driven investigator,

00:11:57.120 but politics is part of what's going on in Canada right now. So, so many thoughts when we saw those

00:12:02.520 tears. I mean, with respect to Mr. Trudeau, he is known for being performative. And I felt that

00:12:08.540 that was a performance, probably, you know, in hockey terms, he was feathering a pass to Mark

00:12:14.500 Carney, playing at the heartstrings of, it looks like a lot of baby boomers or older that have

00:12:20.900 nostalgia for Pierre Trudeau, the father, and his vision of Canada. And I think we kind of see that

00:12:27.180 vision of Canada is sort of fracturing Canada now into a post-national state. And so you can say

00:12:33.560 that whether Mr. Trudeau is sort of seeing that things have gone off the rails, or, you know,

00:12:40.360 he was turning on the tears there and claiming to have always acted for Canadians. Well, Candace,

00:12:45.720 You and I know the thoughts here are that, no, with SNC-Lavalin, with the Chinese interference, with so many different stories, him and his top aides, Gerald Butts, Katie Telford, were playing the politics for the liberals.

00:12:58.580 And they were able to convince a lot of Canadians that they were doing it for Canadians.

00:13:03.240 But I could go on and on.

00:13:05.280 But I think that kind of vision that he's got the backs of Canadians, it has fallen apart when you look at where we are right now.

00:13:13.760 Well, even this very situation that we find ourselves in, right, like Trudeau announced his intention to resign on January 6th, he could have just called an election. If he was really looking out for what was in the best interest of Canadians, we would have already had an election and Canadians could have determined who the next prime minister would have been. He didn't. He stepped aside or he stayed on as prime minister but said that he would step aside, called a liberal leadership race, prorogue parliament to avoid any kind of accountability. That was all for him.

00:13:39.980 That was for the Liberal Party and so that his party could regain themselves, could recollect and come back and try again in the election.

00:13:49.000 And the frustrating thing is it seems to kind of work because in that period, we've seen the Liberals gain in the polls.

00:13:55.000 So none of that was Canada first. That was all Liberal Party first.

00:13:58.880 And I want to pull this into a comment that Donald Trump made.

00:14:02.120 So we showed on the program yesterday that Trump put out a truth social, kind of connecting some dots and saying he just realized that this is all for partisan purposes, that Trudeau is doing this.

00:14:11.960 Now, Trump says it was so that he could run again as prime minister, he could remain as prime minister.

00:14:17.020 That part is not correct because Trudeau is gone.

00:14:19.700 But there is an element of truth.

00:14:21.120 So he put out another truth social yesterday reiterating this.

00:14:24.160 He says that, believe it or not, despite the terrible job he's done for Canada, I think that Justin Trudeau is using the tariff problem,

00:14:30.260 which he has largely caused, in order to run again for prime minister. So much fun to watch.

00:14:36.400 So the part that he gets wrong is that Trudeau is not running again for prime minister,

00:14:40.540 but the essence of the tweet is true because it is for the purpose of the Liberal Party. Again,

00:14:46.520 just to reiterate, it's about saving the Liberal Party and trying to ensure that his crew and his

00:14:53.740 posse and his people remain in power in Canada. And I'll just throw to one more clip, Sam, before

00:15:00.400 I get your comment, which is CBC was out there, of course, defending Justin Trudeau and saying

00:15:05.860 that Trump's comments are wrong. Here is none other than Rosemary Barton doing what she does

00:15:10.600 best, which is defending Justin Trudeau. For the president to, frankly, say those things about

00:15:17.580 Justin Trudeau staying in power, that is obviously an attempt to needle Canadians,

00:15:22.180 to needle the prime minister at a time when that kind of response is not very welcome here.

00:15:29.440 And it is particularly not welcome at a time when it is true that the prime minister is leaving

00:15:34.520 and we are moving into a different political climate.

00:15:38.020 What do you make of it all, Sam?

00:15:40.200 Well, you're right. I mean, President Trump does what he does.

00:15:43.620 He makes some comments, some trolling comments.

00:15:46.520 They get something wrong.

00:15:47.940 And yet I do believe his analysis, as you said, is right.

00:15:51.400 Look, Jeremy Nuttall, a great former Toronto Star reporter that's been writing op-eds for the Bureau and op-eds critical of President Trump, also wrote more than a month ago, Prime Minister Trudeau is hanging on like a low-key autocrat.

00:16:08.200 None of this is normal.

00:16:09.760 And absolutely, again, I go back to the feathering the past metaphor.

00:16:14.140 Mr. Trudeau, I do think, was feeling a bit pressured by his party, a little bit pushed out.

00:16:19.340 And I feel probably he feels that he's gotten back in the good graces of the liberals by sort of managing the situation and passed that baton under the table with Gerald Butts and Katie Telford ushering Mark Carney forward.

00:16:34.940 Some have called it a Carney coronation.

00:16:37.280 And I think that's fair.

00:16:38.220 And I do believe that an honest analyst would look at the way Mr. Trudeau and the party have acted and said, yes, they've managed this crisis that Canada finds itself in quite well for the survival and thriving of the Liberal Party.

00:16:53.200 Well, that is exactly what they have done.

00:16:55.140 Now, let's stick with Trump because we have an on again, off again tariff, right?

00:16:58.980 He said that they were coming and then he paused them and then he brought them back.

00:17:02.520 And now it seems like he's pausing them again.

00:17:04.640 So Trump announced that there would be another short-term reduction on tariffs on goods traded under the existing USMCA agreement, which was the follow-up from NAFTA, and reduced the 25% tariff on Canadian potash down to 10%.

00:17:20.800 So we have a clip from yesterday of President Trump saying that he would sign another executive order making the US less reliant on Canada, specifically talking about Canadian energy.

00:17:33.100 and he said that we don't need energy from Canada.

00:17:35.980 We don't need anything from Canada.

00:17:37.680 Let's play that clip.

00:17:39.940 I'll be signing an executive order freeing up our forests

00:17:44.180 so that we're allowed to take down trees

00:17:48.320 and make a lot of money and then re-harvest trees.

00:17:52.120 We don't need trees from Canada.

00:17:54.240 We don't need cars from Canada.

00:17:55.640 We don't need energy from Canada.

00:17:58.740 We don't need anything from Canada.

00:18:00.080 and so in response to all of that we have canadian finance minister dominic leblanc announcing on x

00:18:07.680 yesterday that canada will delay its second round of retaliatory tariffs as well until april 2nd so

00:18:15.120 canada will not proceed with the second wave of tariffs on the second round of goods but believe

00:18:19.520 that they would still have the original uh tariffs on the 30 billion dollars of goods that they

00:18:23.840 announced earlier this week likewise doug ford premier of ontario said that ontario will not

00:18:29.840 walk back retaliatory measures despite the one-month tariff exemption on many canadian

00:18:35.120 goods so here is a clip of mr ford saying that ontario will still move forward with specifically

00:18:41.120 the 25 export tax on electricity sent to michigan new york and minnesota and he blames donald trump

00:18:47.920 for the trade war any change in your attitude now that the president in the last uh 20 minutes said

00:18:54.000 that usmca compliant products coming in from canada would be exempt until april 2nd from the

00:18:59.520 tariffs well first of all uh liz thank you for having me on i start off every interview with

00:19:05.360 saying canadians love americans i love americans spent 20 years of my life but in saying that

00:19:11.120 no we're going to put a 25 tariff on electricity coming from ontario to michigan uh new york and

00:19:18.640 minnesota and isn't this a shame it's an absolute mess he's created he's created chaos he ran on a

00:19:25.280 mandate to lower costs lower inflation create more jobs it's total opposite and i think mr

00:19:33.440 ford is right that it is total chaos it's hard to keep track of all the moving parts we keep hearing

00:19:38.000 different cut out uh carve outs and exemptions for these tariffs and this trade war not good for

00:19:44.480 the economy i'm not a fan of tariffs generally speaking if they're if they can be used perhaps

00:19:49.680 to help liberalize everybody's markets and get canada to get rid of some of the protectionist

00:19:53.840 pockets we have it could be good not a fan overall though and i want to bring it in back to this idea

00:20:00.160 of are we are we fighting a trade war or are we fighting a drug war you saw off the top several

00:20:05.360 clips of trump advisors advisors in trump administration telling us that it's not really

00:20:10.880 about trade it's it's more still about drugs and trump's initial concerns which were that fentanyl

00:20:16.720 is being made in canada being produced being exported and that our border is just simply not

00:20:22.320 secure i want to play this clip of mr kevin hassett who was a u.s director of the national economic

00:20:28.720 council he was on fox news and he made it clear that he believes that this is a drug war not a

00:20:33.840 a trade war. Let's play that clip. Respectfully, this is not a trade war. It's a drug war. And

00:20:40.260 with all of the intelligence that we've been gathering from our intelligence agencies and

00:20:45.700 our investigative people at the FBI at elsewhere, the president is extraordinarily disappointed in

00:20:52.080 the actions that Canadians and Mexicans have taken to fight the drug war. Now, just one more 0.60

00:20:58.820 point, Sam. I noticed on X that you responded to that video I just played and you wrote this. You

00:21:03.340 said, I honestly don't know if it's a drug war or a trade war. What I do know is the average

00:21:07.360 Canadian has absolutely no idea how penetrated our banks, housing, and institutions are by

00:21:13.400 organized crime, but the U.S. military and police and intelligence know and are deeply concerned.

00:21:19.440 So what is it that American officials know that most Canadians don't?

00:21:24.940 Well, Candace, while I crafted quickly that post on X, I was working on an exclusive story for the

00:21:32.200 Bureau that really, I dug into my Canadian and American sources who say that, first of all,

00:21:40.500 this is my opinion. I was being honest. I don't know if it's a drug or trade war, but I know it's

00:21:46.320 both because organized crime, that is Chinese organized crime in Canada, is working with

00:21:52.700 Mexican cartels in extremely complex ways to move fentanyl around the world, but to move it into 0.98

00:22:01.100 america and they're using a mixture of different legal commodities with illegal illegal commodities 0.63

00:22:08.060 so the fentanyl precursors from china we all know where they're coming from they're being sent into

00:22:13.740 vancouver and mexico which have weak or accepting structures and they're being produced in canada

00:22:20.380 and mexico and they're crossing all kinds of borders so when people point to uh 40 kilograms

00:22:26.700 at the northern border and call that a small amount from canada my my reporting which is

00:22:32.540 consistent with u.s intelligence shows that uh chinese criminals in vancouver and toronto

00:22:38.700 are working with mexican criminals to cross fentanyl across the mexican border into california 0.96

00:22:45.900 and it gets very complex but i i if if your viewers take away anything this is the point a

00:22:51.980 A congressional bipartisan panel in December released a report saying the Chinese Communist Party is incentivizing fentanyl trafficking around the world.

00:23:02.600 The U.S. government knows this, and they are preparing to take a number of measures to stop that trade into North America, which they believe China wants to kill North Americans.

00:23:15.140 That includes Canadians.

00:23:16.360 And so I, you know, the complexity here is Donald Trump is acting for Americans, and yet perhaps he's mixing in some trade benefits to the United States. And that's what's confusing a lot of people. But there's no question that Canada is a big part of the fentanyl problem.

00:23:36.300 Well, I wanted to pull in another post that you made on X.

00:23:39.120 We like to do a segment on the Candice Malcolm show called Fake News Friday.

00:23:42.300 It is Friday.

00:23:43.160 So I thought I would point this out.

00:23:44.480 So you wrote that people want to understand why Canada is deemed part of the fentanyl

00:23:49.480 supply chain, but they're relying on the politicized Globe and Mail or CBC reporting

00:23:54.220 that consists of Google searches and seizure data that really explain nothing of the complexity

00:23:59.840 of global trade-based money laundering.

00:24:02.300 And then you wrote, stay tuned.

00:24:03.000 And I think that was a preview to the piece that you were just talking about.

00:24:06.160 And I want to go back to our friend at the CBC, Rosemary Barton, who is part of that clip that I played earlier.

00:24:12.920 There's a little bit more to it.

00:24:14.040 So I want to play the longer bit where she says that President Trump is completely misrepresenting what is happening and that they're they're making false claims about the border and that basically Dustin Trudeau has made enough progress and that she's satisfied.

00:24:28.700 Let's play that clip.

00:24:30.000 The other challenge here, as well as the mixed messages around what is going on and what they actually want, is frankly the complete misrepresentation and false claims about what Canada is doing at the border.

00:24:46.360 There is no doubt that progress has been made over the past month, and there are clear data points that they can look at to see that.

00:24:54.220 so is it a complete misrepresentation and false claims to say that canada is not doing what it

00:25:01.420 needs to do to crack down on this international drug trade i hadn't seen that clip and you know

00:25:06.320 i don't get into ad hominem at all but uh ms barton should stick to her lane of talking to 1.00

00:25:11.940 you know political aids political sources i'll as much as i can stick to my lane of talking to

00:25:18.800 high-level intelligence law enforcement in north america and around the world that understands

00:25:25.200 that canada has been chosen as a weak point by mexican cartels chinese transnational crime

00:25:32.880 iranian hezbollah state-sponsored criminality and people don't have to really you know take my word

00:25:40.000 for it there's all kinds of reporting such as uh the cameron ordus case that came to the surface

00:25:46.640 in ottawa where rcmp's top intelligence official was uh leaking the plans of the united states and

00:25:54.160 the five eyes to go after hezbollah money launderers in canada that are laundering billions

00:26:00.160 through the big six banks i don't need to start to talk about uh the hundreds of billions of dollars

00:26:06.400 that chinese transnational crime is using in real estate money laundering in vancouver and toronto

00:26:12.640 I could go on and on, but my message is Ms. Barton doesn't know what she's talking about in that area. 1.00

00:26:18.060 In fact, she's echoing or parroting the points of the Trudeau government, which I'll leave my comment at that.

00:26:24.880 I would say that the Globe and Mail story report that I read, similarly, they're out of their depth.

00:26:30.640 And really, they should, again, if they're political reporters, stick to politics until you've done a decade of work like I have.

00:26:38.100 And I'm respected around the world as the subject matter expert on these matters.

00:26:44.340 Well, it goes to show the importance of independent media because we don't need to parrot liberal talking points.

00:26:50.040 It doesn't matter because they don't fund us.

00:26:51.900 They don't pay us, whereas that's not entirely the case with some of those others.

00:26:56.080 Now, you said that Canada has been chosen by these international organizations as a weak point, I presume.

00:27:03.760 And it's interesting, Sam, because I know that prior to 9-11, Canada was also a hotbed for those funding terrorists.

00:27:11.200 And we know that some of the masterminds and the people who paid for and funded al-Qaeda and part of the 9-11 attacks were living in Canada.

00:27:19.300 And it seems like after that, Canada did take some measures to try to crack down on this.

00:27:23.560 I know during the Harper years, they expelled Iranian diplomats and cut off relations.

00:27:29.560 Now, can you help us understand, like, how has this happened?

00:27:33.480 Why was Canada selected? What were the laws that they manipulated or the loopholes that they found

00:27:39.640 that allowed them to infiltrate and set up these organizations and structures? Why wasn't it stopped

00:27:45.900 by the Trudeau government? And why wasn't it stopped, or at least these red flags and alarm

00:27:50.400 bells raised by American counterparts at any other point over the last 10 or 20 years that

00:27:55.400 this was happening to stop it? Why is it just happening now? Well, I'll try to stick to about

00:28:01.320 three points here. So one in my book, Willful Blindness, I track back to Hong Kong in the

00:28:07.260 1990s, and some Canadian immigration and police officials that discovered a massive infiltration

00:28:13.880 of our immigration system where the highest levels of organized crime in China and Hong Kong were

00:28:20.380 able to allegedly corrupt Canadian immigration officials, were able to technically breach

00:28:27.040 Canada's border vetting systems. And so you had incredibly wealthy criminals from China, 0.93

00:28:34.740 in fact, working with the Chinese Communist Party, setting up in Vancouver and Toronto,

00:28:40.160 buying tremendous amounts of real estate. And that leads to a lot of the infiltration that

00:28:46.340 we see now in the fentanyl trade war or drug poor, whatever you want to call it. So we again,

00:28:51.900 we have these triads that are using canadian real estate banks they're into technology they're into 0.79

00:28:57.820 farmland they're into everything we see remember we see these super labs tucked up in rural areas

00:29:04.380 should be in ontario as well as british columbia this doesn't happen by accident so uh the real

00:29:10.300 key here that my story the other day pointed to uh the headline was uh the fentanyl crisis

00:29:16.860 is a trade-based money laundering crisis.

00:29:21.280 And, you know, your question was,

00:29:23.900 why have these organized crime groups

00:29:26.100 been able to set up in Canada?

00:29:28.340 Essentially, my police sources say for decades,

00:29:31.680 they have known our Charter of Rights,

00:29:34.600 which is a great document

00:29:35.880 for protecting the rights of Canadians.

00:29:38.700 That is, you know, not always,

00:29:40.720 maybe in the case of some people

00:29:42.160 that went to Ottawa during the pandemic.

00:29:44.020 But this was meant to protect the Canadians from overreach. What has happened, the unintended consequences is essentially it's impossible for the RCMP to do complex investigations on cartels and Chinese triads, even to get wiretaps when our American partners tell us, you have the Sinaloa cartel operating in Vancouver, can we do a tap?

00:30:07.900 No, the Charter of Rights blocks it. So essentially, my sources are saying you can spend a billion dollars for a couple of choppers and hundreds of police on the borders. That's really just theater. If you can't prosecute serious organized crime, and we can't in Canada, the problem will continue. And the U.S. government knows it.

00:30:30.220 Well, it's interesting because when you look at the problem on the American's southern border with Mexico, it really is that there are large hordes of people crossing in illegally.

00:30:41.340 I mean, it's slowed down considerably, thank goodness, under President Trump.

00:30:44.920 But in the past, you see these huge caravans of people just walking in and you see footage and it's unbelievable.

00:30:51.260 So you understand on the southern border, what they do need is more patrols and more surveillance.

00:30:55.920 But the Canadian problem is different. It's distinct. It's unique.

00:30:59.620 And as we have heard, a lot of these drugs come from China.

00:31:02.960 They come into the Vancouver ports.

00:31:04.780 I believe last time you were on the show, you talked about this.

00:31:06.940 They come in through the ports, they cross in the borders,

00:31:09.380 and there's just not the same level of inspection happening at the borders and at the ports.

00:31:14.240 And that's part of the reason why that's allowed.

00:31:16.420 So I guess my next question is, what should Canada be doing to start cracking down on this

00:31:22.140 and show that we are taking it seriously?

00:31:23.840 We don't want this happening in our country anymore.

00:31:26.420 Well, you point to really a great visual there.

00:31:28.840 We have seen, you know, Latin America, South America essentially marching through the Mexican border.

00:31:34.840 And that's it's easy to see that concern there, maybe even easier to stop.

00:31:39.540 But in Canada, our ports are I won't.

00:31:43.320 It's not an exaggeration to say that serious organized crime from Iran, China, Mexico, working with the Hells Angels in Canada has significant control of the port of Vancouver.

00:31:55.260 I'm told by sources in British Columbia and Ontario that Indian diaspora, even maybe more slanted towards the sick community, has its effective control of trucking industries in Canada. 0.63

00:32:11.220 So, you know, it's a very sophisticated grasp of organized crime to move drugs around and the banks perhaps even a greater tool combined with real estate in Vancouver and Toronto.

00:32:24.200 So I'll give you one stunning data point from this story that I posted yesterday.

00:32:29.380 A non-police official, but someone with great insight into mortgage regulation, estimated

00:32:36.140 over a trillion dollars in this sort of underground banking and money laundering through Toronto

00:32:43.040 real estate in the past 12 years.

00:32:46.540 And so again, my sources in the United States and Canada, we're talking high-level police

00:32:51.460 and intelligence say, this is what the U.S. government is really concerned with. That is,

00:32:56.620 in a sophisticated way, Canada's supposed G7 economy is being used by the most dangerous

00:33:03.400 and sophisticated organized crime in the world. And I think that calls back to the official,

00:33:08.280 I believe his name was Kevin Hassett, seemed to be a very measured and intelligent person saying

00:33:13.980 that our U.S. intelligence has deep concerns about Canada. And I think those are the concerns that

00:33:20.080 our banks, housing, and I hate to say it, our political class may be infiltrated by organized

00:33:27.400 crime. Well, not maybe. I mean, we know that there are, the government themselves said when they

00:33:33.220 launched this foreign interference report and probe into parliament that there were

00:33:38.040 parliamentarians, there were elected officials in Canada that are operating with influence from

00:33:43.720 foreign governments. Now, of course, the report that came out didn't offer much else other than

00:33:47.820 that. And it sort of leaves us perplexed. I noticed in the story that you put up about the

00:33:52.180 trade-based money laundering and the fentanyl crisis with these Chinese, Mexican and Canadian 0.98

00:33:56.980 crime rings, that you included a famous picture of Justin Trudeau at a Vancouver dinner with all

00:34:06.340 of those Chinese guys. They're all in there. So when you say that this is connected to the top 0.83

00:34:13.200 and that even, you know, the prime minister of Canada may be rubbing elbows with some of the

00:34:19.140 people who are involved in this nefarious activity. I mean, that's so concerning to so

00:34:24.280 many Canadians, like it's hard to even wrap your head around that optic. What do you think is

00:34:30.380 happening? And how did this, how do we, how is it this case that we have a Canadian prime minister

00:34:35.420 who is rubbing elbows with the bad guys? It's, it's incredibly concerning and hard to believe.

00:34:42.420 and i think that maybe that's my problem i have been perhaps a voice in the wilderness saying

00:34:48.340 look uh we don't need to point to specific figures in that picture but i detail in my book

00:34:53.780 that i could point to one person and say uh you know major new zealand money laundering

00:35:00.100 conviction or fine another person i know from bc lottery corporation money laundering surveillance

00:35:05.700 photos. Another one, I know that my source from the recent story says connected to 900 million

00:35:12.980 in wire transfers from Hong Kong that were followed by FinTrack and the RCMP. And that is

00:35:20.440 why my source said, it's not just myself as an investigative open source reporter that can make

00:35:27.200 these connections. The US government, the RCMP, I believe probably others have seen those same

00:35:35.560 fundraising meetings with Mr. Trudeau surrounded by known organized crime or Chinese intelligent 1.00

00:35:41.980 suspects. None of them are convicted. They're suspects. But certainly the optics are incredibly

00:35:48.000 concerning when Mr. Trudeau shaking hands with someone that's the subject of a major

00:35:53.280 police intelligence and FinTrack report. So what does that say about the money flowing into Mr.

00:35:59.420 Trudeau's Papineau riding or the liberal coffers? I don't think I'm going out on a limb by saying

00:36:05.160 that if someone is a Chinese organized crime suspect that has direct relations with Beijing

00:36:11.360 donating to our prime minister, who would not call that a concern?

00:36:16.320 Well, it's interesting because if Pierre Polyev, leader of the Conservative Party,

00:36:19.760 is seen with anyone who the media deems is too far to the political right,

00:36:24.680 they make huge hay out of it and try to say that Polyev is courting extremists

00:36:29.180 and that he's some kind of a dangerous threat.

00:36:31.940 And here we have photographic evidence of the prime minister shaking hands with known criminals and attending fundraisers.

00:36:39.180 It's not like someone just, you know, showed up in a photo line to take a picture with them.

00:36:42.360 It's like he's sitting there talking to them, meeting with them, trying to get money from them.

00:36:46.220 It's unbelievable. And it makes me wonder, like, this whole trade war narrative,

00:36:51.440 all of the sort of pearl clutching and the fervent nationalism that we've now seen from the political left in Canada,

00:36:58.140 making it seem like Donald Trump is the biggest enemy to the country, it almost just seems like

00:37:03.340 a total political distraction, because they don't want to talk about the meat of the issue. They

00:37:07.720 don't want to talk about the concerning elements, so much of which, you know, you painstakingly

00:37:12.880 point out to your readers, Sam, thank goodness that you're there doing that work. And it's not

00:37:16.780 easy, I know. But like, what do you think about the whole the whole narrative, the whole sort of

00:37:21.980 like Canada resurgence in Canadian national pride and Team Canada approach as opposed to just

00:37:28.620 talking about the issues that you and I are talking about right now. Yeah, I mean, to what

00:37:33.020 you said, I go to a viewer comment that was liked maybe 50 times on that recent story was, okay,

00:37:39.380 I'm glad that Sam or Mr. Cooper, we can read your fact-driven reporting. Clearly, Canada has a

00:37:45.580 fentanyl problem. By the same token, President Trump is using a sledgehammer. And so I believe

00:37:51.860 that Canadians that have no responsibility, obviously, for, you know, our government turning 0.99

00:37:58.100 a blind eye to money laundering or fentanyl, or rather being inactive on known threats,

00:38:04.200 the average Canadian is not to blame. If they're to blame for anything, it's maybe not paying

00:38:09.300 enough attention to, you know, solid reporting on the issues. And so I just think it's a very

00:38:14.940 confusing situation where the, you know, at those dinner table conversations, there will be some

00:38:20.620 people in the know that as you and perhaps I, if we share something, I think we could probably

00:38:26.500 agree that Canada has turned a blind eye to severe foreign interference, severe organized crime to do

00:38:33.540 with terrorism, to do with fentanyl trafficking. And yet the average Canadian has no idea. They

00:38:39.380 still have this opinion that we're this upstanding, you know, the under, what would we

00:38:46.900 say we punched over our weight on juno beach during the world war ii and we still have that

00:38:51.940 image of ourselves but it's kind of being shattered and so if you point to the left and say

00:38:57.060 okay now they're saying we need an army now they're saying we need you know a self-defense

00:39:01.700 citizen force to be ready against you know a an abusive neighbor where were they two years ago or

00:39:08.660 five years ago ten years ago when you know people were saying let's fund our army more they were

00:39:14.180 saying no we don't need it we'd rather focus on whatever culture war of the day right well i love

00:39:19.780 i love the enthusiasm about you know let's protect canada let's assert our own sovereignty and

00:39:25.220 protect our own sovereignty but not just to the americans how about to like you said the iranians

00:39:30.660 the mexicans the chinese the sikhs and everyone else trying to take advantage of canada's niceness 0.98

00:39:36.020 and our charter of rights and freedoms uh to build criminal enterprises all around us well sam cooper

00:39:41.380 it's always such a pleasure to have you on the show thank you for joining us and everyone go

00:39:44.740 check out his subset called the bureau and subscribe to support independent journalism

00:39:48.660 thanks sam thanks have a great weekend thanks you too okay changing gears a little bit i want to

00:39:54.900 talk this is one of my favorite topics and something that i want canadians to pay more

00:39:59.300 attention to and i think that even our politicians need to wake up to this i'm talking about well

00:40:04.580 first of all the huge movement in the united states to make america healthy again it was

00:40:09.300 picked up and spearheaded by robert f kennedy jr a democrat who teamed up with president trump

00:40:15.220 and they brought forward this message and here in canada we have colin craig who runs second street

00:40:21.700 my former colleague at the canadian taxpayers federation and he wrote a piece in the hub

00:40:25.940 the other day said saying make canada healthy again so i want to bring colin on to talk about

00:40:31.300 his work talk about the state of health care in canada and how we can make our own country

00:40:36.340 healthy again colin thank you so much for joining the podcast well thanks for having me candace

00:40:40.980 we talked about the story on the show a few weeks ago 77 of young americans are unfit to serve in

00:40:47.380 the military due to being overweight using drugs having mental health or other health issues the

00:40:53.540 same thing is true in canada there was a really alarming report in the national post talking

00:41:00.180 about how young canadians are just not quite healthy so colin what made you write this piece

00:41:04.900 and how can we start this movement to make Canada healthy again?

00:41:09.380 Yeah, it's something I've been interested in, Candice, for a long time, and I've been following

00:41:12.980 it. And, you know, even during COVID, I thought there was a real missed opportunity. I mean,

00:41:17.620 a lot of people that had to be hospitalized for COVID had underlying health conditions,

00:41:22.580 and in many cases, those were preventable. You had governments saying, stay indoors,

00:41:27.220 stay indoors, stay indoors, when in fact, what we often needed was more vitamin D from the sun,

00:41:33.300 getting out, going for a walk, being in shape, you know, the types of things that could improve

00:41:39.240 your immune system so that it could help fight off COVID. And I don't want to go down the COVID

00:41:43.860 path too much, but I thought, you know, like, when are we going to talk as a nation about

00:41:48.180 sort of the benefits of seeing a healthier Canadian population and how that would have an

00:41:55.500 improvement on the healthcare sector? So, you know, without a doubt, I mean, you and I have

00:42:00.500 talked about it before. I've talked with your colleagues. We've had columns published with your

00:42:05.540 organization talking about how to fix the health care system. And in economic terms, that's the

00:42:11.360 supply of health care. But I think in this country, we don't talk about demand enough and how if we

00:42:16.720 simply lived healthier, we could reduce demand and that would take pressure off the health care

00:42:20.660 system and ultimately reduce wait times for people, whether you're waiting for cancer treatment to get

00:42:25.560 your knee operated on, waiting in an emergency room, whatever. We could take a lot of the pressure

00:42:30.460 off the healthcare system well you're absolutely right because by the time you go and see a doctor

00:42:35.740 i mean you might be waiting for quite a long time we've seen so many reports really concerning

00:42:39.900 reports about canadians not having access to a primary care physician or a family doctor

00:42:45.180 people waiting outside in the snow for hours and hours to try to sign up

00:42:49.100 for a doctor but oftentimes by the time you you go and you are sick it's kind of too late so i

00:42:53.900 think a lot of the movement that i see in sort of the younger generation and people who are very

00:42:58.860 online is trying to get healthy before you even need that and trying to understand and address

00:43:04.620 the lifestyle changes that you can make so that you can live a happier sort of healthier longer

00:43:10.220 life of being healthy and i love that moment i love the idea of waking up you know i i listened

00:43:15.740 to a podcast called the andrew huberman lab and the huberman lab by andrew human who's a professor

00:43:20.860 over at stanford university and just kind of like basic lifestyle things he encourages you to get

00:43:25.500 up and watch the sunrise um you know to to delay your first cup of coffee and try to wake up

00:43:30.300 naturally with the sun to exercise every day to eat sort of healthy minimally processed or

00:43:36.220 non-processed foods and just kind of taking control of your own health and i i've done that

00:43:40.780 with myself and my kids and i think you're totally right that it started with covet

00:43:43.980 because when covet happened it was like well not only do we have to make sure that we're healthy

00:43:49.260 but we also can't necessarily trust the things that we're being told by health officials and i

00:43:53.820 And I would I would much rather, you know, take take my advice from people who are super healthy and live healthy lives than watching some of these like super unhealthy or overweight public officials and doctors.

00:44:05.240 So a long way to say I totally I totally agree with you and I'm totally on board.

00:44:09.640 What do you think the biggest thing that Canadians can do to get healthy is?

00:44:14.640 Yeah, and I should know what I mean. I'm not a doctor. I'm not a nutritionist or anything like that.

00:44:18.960 someone with an interest in it and i think probably there's two things that we can really do

00:44:23.920 to um improve our health one is just be conscious as you just noted about the foods that we're eating

00:44:30.560 what we're putting into our body um peter atia he's a canadian actually a doctor who's provided

00:44:36.560 a lot of advice to hollywood celebrities and others people that are interested not just in

00:44:41.520 living longer but having a longer quality style of life right so you're not living to 100 sitting

00:44:48.000 in a senior's home, but you're active, you know, you're mobile, you've got more muscle strength,

00:44:52.380 whatever. So he's really done a lot of time and energy studying that. And in terms of diet, he

00:44:57.300 said, the number one thing you can do is to stop drinking sugary drinks. And, you know, you look at

00:45:05.160 some of them and the amount of sugar that's in those things. Personally, I don't touch them.

00:45:09.020 I have many ways that I could improve my diet. I'm not perfect, but that I think is one thing

00:45:15.620 that uh we would all be wise to to cut back on or certainly uh consider eliminating that's on the um

00:45:23.700 the diet side the other thing is the exercise side and it's something even as simple as uh

00:45:28.740 just exercising every day going for a walk um and you know peter atia talks about you know it's not

00:45:35.220 just getting steps in or going for a walk but you want to push it a bit to the point where you get

00:45:40.660 into the zone two level where you know he describes it as being it's challenging to talk so

00:45:46.600 if you're going with a friend you probably don't want to be talking the whole 30 minutes because

00:45:50.460 it's you know it's a little bit hard for you get up to that level and and try and do that so i mean

00:45:55.160 those are a couple things that i've read that i think are important but um you know more than

00:45:59.580 anything i when i stand back and look at the big picture you know as i said if if we all lived

00:46:05.140 healthier or a good portion of canadians lived healthier we could take a huge amount of demand

00:46:10.060 off of the healthcare system. The Canadian Diabetes Association notes that about 90%

00:46:16.840 of the diabetes cases are type two. That's generally the type that you're going to get

00:46:21.140 because of lifestyle decisions. The Canadian Heart Stroke Association notes that about 80%

00:46:28.080 of premature heart stroke or heart disease cases could be prevented. The Canadian Cancer Society

00:46:34.720 notes that about 4 in 10 cases of cancer could be prevented through lifestyle changes and

00:46:41.000 environmental changes, those types of things. So you're not going to, I'm not saying that

00:46:46.060 everyone is somehow going to become healthy just by changing their lifestyles. Unfortunately,

00:46:50.280 some of us have genetic health problems that cannot be avoided. And there's freak accidents

00:46:56.120 that happen too and so forth and people can end up with serious health problems. But there is a

00:47:01.620 lot of pressure on our healthcare system that is due to lifestyle decisions that we're making.

00:47:07.880 So if we can find a way to get governments to carefully kind of nudge people in the right

00:47:12.780 direction, while walking that line where governments aren't intruding in our lives,

00:47:16.960 we don't want that. You know, you don't want the government knocking on your door canvas at 6am

00:47:20.960 saying, you know, it's time to go for a run. No one wants that. But if there's, you know,

00:47:25.380 ways that we can kind of nudge people towards healthier living, we can take pressure off the

00:47:29.720 healthcare system. And that's kind of what I talk about the column too, is just sort of how do you

00:47:33.680 walk that line or what are some ideas? Yeah, I agree that you don't want government to like force

00:47:38.980 people into activities. And this isn't necessarily like a politically driven movement. But then when

00:47:46.200 you look at what's happening in the US under the Trump administration, specifically with RFKJ or

00:47:51.920 RFK Jr., is that he's into looking at some of the sort of, I don't know if it's unintended

00:47:57.720 consequences or if it's real corruption but the idea of like we don't always really know what's

00:48:02.800 in our food we don't know how much of our food supply is like poisoned with chemicals or you

00:48:10.260 know the pesticides that are used on food and how that gets into the food supply and the impact that

00:48:15.200 that might have on ourselves and on our bodies and so there definitely is a political element to all

00:48:20.400 of this I'm as a mom like so paranoid about what my children get and they know at this point when

00:48:25.980 they go to a birthday party I get to look through the goodie bag at the end because most of the

00:48:30.220 stuff I'm throwing out and I'm actually really like happy with my children because they understand

00:48:34.700 that anything that has artificial dyes in it mommy's gonna say no and now they they get that 1.00

00:48:40.020 and they themselves won't even ask for it and they'll throw it out proactively so you can tell

00:48:45.020 your children they get it like I don't want them eating artificial dyes partially just because I

00:48:50.040 don't know like I've seen enough studies and read enough to know that there's you know it's not quite

00:48:54.240 black and white, whether this stuff is healthy. And, you know, thankfully, Canada does a better 0.98

00:48:58.460 job, I think, than the U.S. in banning some of these dangerous chemicals in our food. But I think

00:49:03.760 that people are really waking up, especially the younger generation. You know, there's a number of

00:49:08.160 really powerful sort of health influencers who have medical backgrounds, who understand the

00:49:13.060 chemistry of it all. And they're the ones raising, ringing the alarm bell. And I think that there's

00:49:17.040 a lot of room for that in Canada. And it's a bit of a missing element. Now, I know I brought you

00:49:22.420 because i want to talk about some of your studies that you've done over at second street you had one

00:49:26.180 report saying that 15 474 canadians died while waiting for health care last year just so tragic

00:49:33.460 um another one saying that canada could easily grow our health sector by 21 billion dollars so

00:49:39.940 i'll i'll let you uh you you can choose which which one of those three topics you want to talk

00:49:43.700 about there colin sure yeah this is the in terms of waiting list deaths uh you know just to be clear

00:49:48.260 that's a wide array of cases, everything from someone dying while waiting for cataract surgery

00:49:54.720 to on the other side, something that, you know, you potentially could die from not getting cardiac

00:50:00.660 surgery, heart surgery in time. So, you know, sometimes when we put this data out, people kind

00:50:05.400 of go, oh, you know, these are just cardiac or cataract cases or people waiting for hips and

00:50:09.700 knees or whatever. You're not going to die from that. To which we always say, well, wait a second

00:50:14.000 here. Do you want to spend the final year or two of your life with cloudy vision or stuck in your

00:50:19.740 apartment with chronic pain because you're waiting for your hip operation? It's no way to treat

00:50:24.840 people in their final years of their lives. So we certainly wouldn't dismiss those. They're very

00:50:30.780 troubling. And in some cases, you could imagine how someone, you know, if they've changed their

00:50:36.020 lifestyle, you know, related to what we were just talking about, if you're stuck with chronic pain

00:50:41.460 in your apartment not moving around you're not getting exercise and maybe that does contribute

00:50:46.260 to a premature death maybe a heart attack or whatever so the numbers are very troubling um

00:50:52.260 there's certainly cases of the latter as i mentioned people dying while waiting for

00:50:57.860 heart procedures cancer treatment and so forth so it's troubling and one of the comparisons we draw

00:51:03.220 candace is you know you think about what governments do to private businesses across

00:51:07.860 this country every single day you have government health inspectors going into private businesses

00:51:14.420 and doing health inspection reports and even the most trivial thing will get written up

00:51:20.260 and published publicly you know you can go online here in alberta and see that there's a daycare in

00:51:27.460 airdrie i believe it was where they were missing a paper towel holder so they got written up it's

00:51:34.180 posted online for a few years what happens when someone dies on a waiting list and the government's

00:51:40.500 health care system doesn't provide treatment in time does anyone write that up and the answer

00:51:46.260 of course is no governments do not hold themselves to this high standard that they expect everyone

00:51:51.460 else to meet so we think it's important to have more transparency in that area draw attention to

00:51:56.340 what's going on so ideally governments can understand more about the weaknesses of their

00:52:00.980 systems in fact reform to improve it well i mean it's so interesting and i want to circle back

00:52:08.180 because this piece you wrote about how canada could easily grow its health sector by 21 billion

00:52:14.340 dollars now everybody knows and this is maybe another outgrowth of covid um that canada's

00:52:19.220 health care is good at certain moments like if you have a child that is very sick and they

00:52:25.140 get rushed to the front of the line there's amazing doctors and nurses and health care

00:52:30.420 practitioners that will take care of them and canada is like second to none when it comes to

00:52:35.140 dealing with sort of that acute uh emergency care it it's kind of the other side right the chronic

00:52:40.820 things or the the non-emergency things that we just don't seem to have access like go into

00:52:46.580 an emergency room in toronto and you'll be horrified you feel like you're in a homeless

00:52:50.420 shelter or some kind of a refugee camp um and so you know we know that we need more money into the

00:52:56.340 healthcare system the problem is that we're our governments are broke right like we're so overspent

00:53:01.780 so stretched and so this idea is we know we need more money the question is like where are we

00:53:06.340 getting it from so why don't you walk us through your proposal here yeah so i think there's a few

00:53:10.820 things to consider um and one of which is that we have a system that is one of the highest spending

00:53:18.660 in the world there's a lot of money in the system and as you mentioned there's a lot of good people

00:53:24.660 that work in the system they're doctors they're nurses they got into it because they want to help

00:53:28.420 patients they do their best the problem is the structure of the system itself is broken and i

00:53:35.220 think a great piece of evidence of this kindness is you know we can't as canadians look at any

00:53:40.340 province that go wow they're really hitting it out of the park with their health care system

00:53:44.100 it's an a-plus model there's no very little wait times you know everyone sounds like we don't have

00:53:49.460 a system like that it doesn't matter if it's conservative liberal ndp i mean you can generally

00:53:54.660 find dysfunction in the health systems um that those governments are running so the problem is

00:54:01.380 the structure all provinces generally have the same structure and one of the structural problems

00:54:06.900 that we have in this country is that we basically ban private comprehensive health insurance

00:54:13.620 And we make it extremely difficult if people want to pay for health care outside of the public system.

00:54:20.620 And so when we look at universal health care systems that perform better than Canada, countries like Sweden, France, Norway, Australia,

00:54:30.620 there's lots of universal health care systems that do better than us.

00:54:34.620 They all give patients a choice. Use the public system or you can pay privately or use private comprehensive health insurance.

00:54:41.620 health insurance whereas we ban the latter and you know the results speak for themselves it puts

00:54:47.140 more pressure on the public system because everyone has to use it or you have to fly to another

00:54:52.260 province or another country to prepare so all that to say the report that you had just mentioned

00:54:59.380 we asked the question to canadians well what if you could purchase private health insurance

00:55:04.340 instead of depending on the public system and we put in front of them some different rates as to

00:55:09.620 what it would cost depending on their age and gender and so forth and we calculated that

00:55:14.340 Canadians were willing to spend over 21 billion dollars a year on insurance so that would take a

00:55:21.620 lot of pressure off of the public health care system create lots of opportunities for health

00:55:26.900 care workers would help us grow our system so that ultimately we have more health care in 0.99

00:55:32.180 this country and it makes access to health care easier into simply having people languishing on

00:55:38.420 readings well i i know i know like so many people you know if you're in an emergency this happened

00:55:43.300 to my husband a few weeks ago he cut his thumb at work he was downtown toronto and he had to just be

00:55:47.940 taken to the nearest hospital he needed a few stitches and it was just unbelievable like he

00:55:53.300 waited almost 12 hours just to see a doctor and the concern was that he had hit an artery or

00:55:58.980 something i said you know you should just get in the car and drive to new york because you would

00:56:03.780 would have gotten stitches a lot faster if you just driven to Buffalo. Honestly, it's wild.

00:56:08.640 And so in those situations, just having another option is no need. Interesting. I want to point

00:56:13.360 to a recent poll that was done by Abacus Polling about politics. And it shows that, so this is

00:56:19.600 Abacus Polling. We're talking about what are the major issues facing Canadians? And one of them is

00:56:24.960 healthcare, one of the top issues. You can see it's a third row down. And they ask, who do you

00:56:29.240 trust more to handle this? 30% say Conservatives, 26% say Liberals. So I think that maybe Conservatives

00:56:35.420 have a window and an opportunity to push the needle on this topic and say to Canadians,

00:56:40.580 you know, there is another option. There is a way, as you said, other countries that have

00:56:44.340 universal healthcare, right? Universal healthcare just means everyone has access to a public system.

00:56:48.900 It doesn't mean that the public system is a monopoly and that you cannot have an alternative.

00:56:52.820 And I hope that that is one area that Pierre Paulyev and the Conservatives will push on.

00:56:58.340 Well, Colin, Craig, thank you so much for joining the show.

00:57:00.660 It's always a pleasure to have you.

00:57:02.040 And everyone go check out Colin's work over at Second Street.

00:57:04.980 Thanks a lot, Candice.

00:57:05.760 Always appreciate the chat.

00:57:07.200 Okay.

00:57:07.920 All right.

00:57:08.420 Thank you so much.

00:57:09.160 That's all we have time for today, folks.

00:57:10.960 Thank you so much for tuning in.

00:57:12.420 I'm Candice Malcolm.

00:57:13.000 This is the Candice Malcolm Show.

00:57:14.340 We'll be back again on Sunday.

00:57:15.640 I hope you'll join us for a Sunday evening broadcast to announce the new unelected Prime

00:57:19.700 Minister of Canada.

00:57:20.760 Thank you so much and God bless.

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