Juno News - Trudeau’s chief of staff will testify on Chinese interference

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00:02:51.480 But a big news in Ottawa that I want to get to, which is the Liberal government finally agreeing to let Katie Telford testify about Chinese interference into Canada's elections.

00:03:02.160 The Liberals had been filibustering on committee for quite some time, not even letting a motion to compel her as a witness get to a vote.

00:03:09.520 There was even a little whisper that the vote in the House of Commons was going to be a confidence vote.

00:03:15.720 although eventually Justin Trudeau decided it wasn't going to be and Katie Telford magically

00:03:20.680 agreed to testify and the NDP somehow decided to abandon its firm stand in support of the motion

00:03:26.140 to rejecting the motion which was put forward by the Conservatives. I want to speak now to

00:03:31.920 a Conservative MP, former Conservative leader Andrew Scheer who joins me on this. Andrew is

00:03:37.800 this a win even though the motion itself was defeated? Well I guess I would say it's an

00:03:43.680 improvement, I wouldn't necessarily say it's a win because we're still far short of the

00:03:49.240 independent public inquiry that is actually needed to get to the bottom of this scandal.

00:03:55.520 All that we've done now is got to the point where after throwing up all kinds of procedural

00:04:02.860 roadblocks and filibustering and virtually liberal MPs reading the phone book at committee

00:04:10.460 to prevent this from coming to a vote, we finally broken that logjam. And now Ms. Telford will 1.00

00:04:17.020 appear. But you know, it's just one more reminder that the Liberals only climb down when they try

00:04:23.040 literally everything else. You know, we could have had this motion adopted three weeks ago

00:04:29.180 and save the taxpayer all the money that goes to having committee meetings during break weeks and

00:04:35.460 things like that. And we might have even heard from Ms. Telford already. Instead, the Liberals

00:04:39.560 desperately tried to prevent that from happening. Climb down today is an improvement, but still not

00:04:44.680 where we need to be. Well, and I would also point out that even when she is testifying, there's no

00:04:50.520 guarantee that it will be all that transparent. We've seen as recently as the Public Order

00:04:55.400 Emergency Commission, how all of these different tools in the toolbox, like cabinet confidence,

00:05:00.200 solicitor-client privilege, national security, come out in ways where people really can't even

00:05:05.480 assess if it's being used honestly and in good faith. So are you concerned or predicting that

00:05:11.780 we're going to see national security reasons used to basically cloud any answer of substance during

00:05:17.760 her testimony? Absolutely we are. In fact, the ink wasn't dry on the statement from the Prime

00:05:26.360 Minister's office that Ms. Telford would be appearing and Justin Trudeau was out in front

00:05:31.340 of the cameras telling people that, look, there's going to be a lot of questions she can't answer.

00:05:35.480 Well, that's, again, another point to reinforce why Canadians need a public inquiry.

00:05:43.920 We have to create, when I say we, I mean the government has an obligation to be open and transparent with Canadians

00:05:50.540 and create a process whereby senior officials who have been briefed on how the communist government in China

00:05:59.200 was funneling money through to liberal candidates.

00:06:03.120 and these are not my words. These are reports that are coming from CSIS. We have to have

00:06:08.980 officials be able to testify openly about this. We're talking about our election system. We're

00:06:14.300 not talking about secret agents in other countries who we can't blow their cover because there'd be

00:06:21.280 repercussions on their lives here. We're talking about people who put their names on the ballot.

00:06:25.960 We're talking about political parties who have to openly disclose where they spend their money

00:06:30.080 and how they raise their money. And we can't have the government hide behind bogus excuses

00:06:38.500 for not answering important questions. So look, we'll hope that Ms. Telford is open

00:06:44.760 and transparent. We're not going to hold our breath because she has the same problem that 0.99

00:06:48.520 Liberals have, which is they seem to be allergic to sunlight. But it's one more tool that the 0.98

00:06:54.820 opposition parties are using to both highlight the importance of this issue and try to get

00:06:59.900 answer on behalf of Canadians. Obviously, there's been a lot of effort going towards

00:07:04.960 getting Katie Telford to testify in the first place. So let's back up here, Andrew. Why do

00:07:10.300 the Conservatives believe she is such a pivotal figure in this? What is it that you believe she

00:07:15.280 has that will contribute to the sunlight, if you will, on this scandal? That is a great question

00:07:21.480 because we hear from the Liberals this idea of like, oh, you don't need to hear from Katie

00:07:26.880 Telford because ministers answer for their departments and ministers are the ones that

00:07:32.180 are ultimately responsible. I should point out that Katie Telford has already testified at

00:07:36.660 committee twice on other issues. So that argument is phony right off the bat. But secondly,

00:07:44.460 Katie Telford is not just some random government official. She's not just some random liberal to 0.99

00:07:49.100 use Justin Trudeau's own words. She has two roles really. One as his chief of staff when it comes

00:07:55.580 to supporting the Prime Minister's work in running the country, but she's also a senior

00:08:00.680 official within the Liberal Party of Canada.

00:08:03.480 And that is where we also need to shine the light.

00:08:06.220 What did the Liberal Party itself know?

00:08:09.980 People who have run campaigns, people who do fundraising for the Liberals, every party

00:08:14.700 has people who go out and build relationships and build networks and raise funds and get

00:08:19.880 people active.

00:08:21.060 And when the allegations are that the communist government in China was inserting itself into

00:08:26.020 that very type of network, those very types of networks and organizations and illegally

00:08:32.100 interfering in Canadian elections, well, then we need to hear from Katie Telfer as to what

00:08:36.740 she knew in her role as a Liberal Party operative.

00:08:40.360 And the final point I would make on this is that Justin Trudeau is claiming two things.

00:08:45.080 He's claiming that there are robust national security agencies who investigate these types

00:08:51.460 of things and report to him.

00:08:53.920 And he's also saying he's never read any of the reports.

00:08:57.800 The reports say that there was money coming from China to support Liberal candidates.

00:09:01.960 He says he never received any information on that.

00:09:04.680 So the first question we'd like to ask Kitty Telford is, what did she do with those reports?

00:09:09.460 If Justin Trudeau is not lying, then somebody must have prevented him from reading those reports.

00:09:15.340 It wasn't her.

00:09:16.320 If it wasn't, who was it and why?

00:09:18.540 These are the types of things that only she can answer.

00:09:21.320 Yeah, and you raise an important point about this story here, which is that the fact that interference existed is indisputable.

00:09:27.860 In fact, even the Liberals hardly dispute that now.

00:09:30.560 They sort of downplay it.

00:09:31.740 So I guess it is the hypothesis that you and your party has going into this, that the Liberals were just so incompetent,

00:09:38.860 they weren't really paying attention, didn't know it? Or do you believe that the Liberals

00:09:42.000 knowingly accepted support from China in the 2021 and 2019 elections, the 2019 election being the

00:09:49.240 one in which you were the conservative leader? Well, you know, I don't want to get too far ahead

00:09:54.100 of what I believe might happen. But I think what we're, but I'll tell you what we do know.

00:10:00.280 We do know that there are senior people, senior officials at our intelligence agencies who have

00:10:06.100 taken the unprecedented step of leaking some of this information to the media and uh and these

00:10:12.900 these individuals these these these officials who work for these agencies are putting themselves in

00:10:18.300 grave danger uh that we're not just talking about you know people that are now at risk of getting

00:10:24.520 fired there are legal consequences for leaking this type of information and what they are saying

00:10:29.900 when when they talk to the media uh and their and their names are protected and they're anonymous

00:10:35.140 they are saying that they briefed the government, they briefed the Liberals, and that nothing was

00:10:41.160 done about it. And so that's what we're trying to understand. Why? Is it the case that Justin

00:10:47.440 Trudeau knew that his candidates, his party was receiving this type of support, and just shrugged

00:10:54.880 his shoulders and said, well, as long as he's the beneficiary of it, he's not going to lift a finger

00:10:58.440 to stop it? What level of detail did they know about? At the very least, it's starting to look

00:11:08.080 like a case of negligence and not responding to very serious and grave threats. But I don't want

00:11:15.360 to get too far ahead of myself here, and I don't want to get too far ahead of what we know for

00:11:20.240 sure, what the facts we know. Again, I use all this to reinforce the point that I shouldn't be

00:11:25.460 sitting here speculating. You shouldn't be wondering. Your viewers shouldn't be trying

00:11:30.520 to read between the lines and fit the pieces together. We should have a public inquiry

00:11:34.900 with someone that people can trust, someone who's not compromised, someone who doesn't have strong

00:11:39.780 links to the Liberal Party or Justin Trudeau personally, who can go through and sort through

00:11:44.320 the facts and come to a conclusion as to what the government did wrong and what it should have done

00:11:49.820 earlier. That's why we need a public inquiry. So let's just look at the forward aspect of this,

00:11:56.920 because we know that David Johnston, the new special rapporteur, former ski buddy of the

00:12:01.860 Trudeau family, maybe current ski buddy, I don't know, is looking into this. He is going to advise

00:12:06.700 whether or not he thinks there should be a public inquiry by late May. At this point, I mean,

00:12:11.920 we've already seen as recently as this week that the Liberals like to use the confidence motion

00:12:16.560 tactic as a bit of a fake out to get the NDP to fall in line. So there could very conceivably be

00:12:22.220 an election before we even have a public inquiry, let alone the results of one. So if we are talking

00:12:28.760 about a vulnerability in our democratic process, that's still there right now. Well, you're exactly

00:12:34.580 right. You know, first of all, you know, this phony title, this made up position of our special

00:12:41.560 rapporteur you know it sounds uh sounds very fancy you know i don't know if you have to wear

00:12:46.600 a tie when you're in his presence and you know how low you might yeah the monocle everyone gets

00:12:50.200 a lot in their special rapporteur where's my waistcoat i need to get dressed for the rapper 0.87

00:12:55.240 who's coming um i mean it's just ridiculous but if you thought it was ridiculous just in and of 0.83

00:13:00.440 itself justin trudeau found a way to make it more ridiculous by appointing david johnson uh someone 0.82

00:13:06.280 who brags about growing, having his kids grow up with the Trudeau kids at their chalet in the 0.90

00:13:13.600 Laurentians. I mean, if we're trying to think about what the, what it might look like to be

00:13:18.000 part of the Laurentian elite, I mean, this is it. Literally. It's a literal Laurentian. Usually

00:13:23.060 they're figurative Laurentian elite. This is a literal Laurentian elite. That's right. You know,

00:13:27.740 the types of people who, who have chalets in the Laurentian and, and put their kids in skiing

00:13:33.100 lessons together. Not a group I've ever been a part of, but Justin Trudeau thinks that it's

00:13:38.880 appropriate to name a card-carrying member of his close family circle to this post. It's just

00:13:45.260 ridiculous. I mean, David Johnson is a close family friend of the Trudeaus. He also sits on 1.00

00:13:53.520 the Trudeau Foundation board. This is the very foundation that accepted money that had links

00:13:59.080 back to the same communist regime that is interfering in elections now and sat on that

00:14:04.620 for years. They only returned the money when they got caught. And David Johnson sits on that board.

00:14:09.680 The Trudeau Foundation is implicated in these allegations and he's on the board. I mean,

00:14:15.000 he should have refused this appointment. And Justin Trudeau has done a terrible thing to

00:14:19.380 his friend. He's done a terrible thing by using David Johnson in this manner, which is now going

00:14:25.860 going to have a blight on his public service record that he's decided to work with Justin

00:14:32.980 Trudeau in this way. If Justin Trudeau is truly his friend, he would never have asked him to do

00:14:37.300 this. So again, you know, this is just another reason why we continue to push for our call for

00:14:42.640 an independent public inquiry. Andrew Scheer, always a pleasure, sir. Thank you so much for

00:14:48.740 coming on today. Thanks very much. That was a conservative MP, former conservative leader,

00:14:55.640 also former House Speaker, and he's had all the roles there.

00:14:59.320 So I appreciate him taking the time to weigh in on this today.

00:15:02.200 He was the one yesterday that came and I think very pointedly pointed out the circumstances

00:15:08.000 about this Conservative motion and the Liberals' obfuscation.

00:15:11.860 And I just want to point out the NDP here.

00:15:13.940 And I've always said I don't want to make the mistake of attributing or ascribing relevance

00:15:18.680 to the NDP in the current political climate.

00:15:21.060 But take a look at this clip of Jagmeet Singh saying he will support the Conservative motion if Trudeau doesn't let Telford testify.

00:15:31.800 Just to be clear, then, you're willing to accept the fact that this could go to the Ethics Committee at some point with Katie Telford being there and the whole list of people that the Conservatives want to bring forward.

00:15:43.320 You're willing to go the whole gamut if the Prime Minister doesn't allow Katie Telford to speak.

00:15:48.820 Well, we're saying very clearly that there's an opportunity in 10 minutes where the government's going to show us if they stop the obstruction and if they allow the chief of staff to testify, then if they don't do that, then we will support the opposition motion, which is the entirety of that motion.

00:16:08.480 So you want to appear at PROC, you want the committee that's filibustering right now to stop that, her appear there, and if that doesn't happen, you'll vote with the other parties on that.

00:16:20.160 That's correct.

00:16:24.680 It's a bit of an odd move.

00:16:26.460 So, yeah, I think that Katie Telford should testify, and I'm going to support the motion to get Katie Telford to testify if Katie Telford doesn't voluntarily testify, but the Liberals served her up.

00:16:37.260 So Jagmeet Singh all of a sudden doesn't have to support the motion.

00:16:40.620 It's very weird.

00:16:41.640 And you can tell that even when he's pretending to be the big tough guy, he's uncomfortable

00:16:45.660 going up against the Justin Trudeau liberals.

00:16:48.100 And he's really uncomfortable doing anything that might be seen as supporting the conservatives.

00:16:53.400 And it's amazing how easy it is for the liberals to control the NDP.

00:16:58.860 And the confidence vote thing was, I think, a big part of this.

00:17:02.180 So yesterday, the Liberal House leader is floating this little test balloon out that I'm not saying it's not, maybe it will be, maybe it won't be. And of course, that means to the NDP, you better vote with us because if you don't, the election is going to come and you're going to have no money and you're going to go from having 24 seats to having 18 seats and you're going to cease to be as irrelevant as you are. You're going to somehow manage to be even less irrelevant.

00:17:28.040 So that's when the Liberals start talking about making things confidence motions.

00:17:31.820 They're trying to tell the NDP, you better stay in line.

00:17:36.220 And by and large, it worked.

00:17:37.420 Now, Justin Trudeau had to blink here.

00:17:39.500 He did.

00:17:39.940 He had to blink.

00:17:40.600 They had to offer up this token of Katie Telford.

00:17:43.360 But as Andrew Scheer and I were talking about, it's not going to amount to all that much

00:17:47.440 because she'll sit down and anytime any question of substance comes up, it'll be, well, you

00:17:52.440 know, national security.

00:17:53.540 Well, cabinet confidence.

00:17:55.040 Well, you know, I forget what I was doing that day.

00:17:57.500 And we're not really going to be any closer to the answers.

00:18:00.300 Now, I don't think a public inquiry is going to be as transcendent as the conservatives tend to.

00:18:05.740 But I also agree that we can't do nothing, which is the most recognizable position to what the liberals are doing now.

00:18:13.260 Transparency is very much hard to come by, which brings us to this topic, which is one we mentioned a little bit ago when the process was put in motion.

00:18:23.420 But there is underway now a national citizen's inquiry into Canada's response to COVID-19.

00:18:31.380 Now, this was initially going to be led by Preston Manning,

00:18:34.860 although Preston Manning was appointed by Alberta Premier Danielle Smith to lead the Alberta inquiry.

00:18:40.400 So he was replaced by broadcaster Trish Wood.

00:18:43.400 Trish Wood recently stepped down and has been replaced by Michelle LeDuc-Catlin,

00:18:49.260 who we'll speak to in just a moment here.

00:18:51.060 But I want to set the stage with what this is about, because we know that government is not itself the body that wants to investigate itself.

00:19:01.520 When government investigates itself, it tends to come out with a result that looks curiously like it's exonerating itself, which defeats the purpose of the investigation.

00:19:10.300 So the National Citizens Inquiry is led by citizens.

00:19:13.380 They've still commissioned experts.

00:19:15.080 They've appointed commissioners.

00:19:16.260 they're going across the country and operating far more transparently than the government has

00:19:20.780 when it comes down to COVID. But what is it? What is it going to do? And what should people keep an

00:19:25.860 eye out for? Michelle Leduc Catlin joins me on the line now. Michelle, good to talk to you. Thanks 0.92

00:19:31.460 so much for coming on today. My pleasure. Thank you, Andrew. Oh, I don't think we have. We do

00:19:37.940 it, Michelle. There we go. I can't hear you, though. You can't hear me? No, I think you are

00:19:43.560 muted we'll try to get that sorted out in just a moment here there we go i got it sorted out i

00:19:49.640 apologize if you missed at the beginning of the show i said that i was dealing with a major

00:19:54.280 flooding issue in the home so i was worried that everything else has just malfunctioned as well but

00:19:58.760 it is good to have you here so explain first and foremost what a citizen-led inquiry can do because

00:20:05.240 people can talk about things people can have their opinions but at the end of it

00:20:08.600 what's the outcome of this that you'd like to see yeah it's a really good question because

00:20:12.920 it's never been done before so i you know you could answer it a couple of ways one is that we

00:20:17.480 have no idea what the outcome will be and i think the main the main impetus is going to be how people

00:20:25.160 participate so the main the power of this inquiry is going to be the degree to which citizens

00:20:31.560 participate so the commissioners are going to put out a report by the end of their five commissioners

00:20:39.000 they will put out a report, it will be in a public space. And at that point, we will have

00:20:47.000 recommendations and hopefully the government will act on them. But I really believe that it's going

00:20:52.120 to be the people, you know, when they, how the people respond and how we participate, it's going

00:20:57.860 to determine what happens with those recommendations. Is your goal to bring together people to raise

00:21:04.060 explicitly criticisms and critiques of it or are you also wanting to engage people that believe

00:21:09.660 the government may have done a good job if such people even exist apart from the government

00:21:15.020 themselves right well government officials have been invited to testify this is an open inquiry

00:21:21.260 as i said it's never been done before but we're certainly looking to report on what was done right

00:21:27.360 as well as what was done wrong and what we can do better in the future so let's talk about the

00:21:33.700 process here? I know the first round of hearings just started up last week in Truro, Nova Scotia.

00:21:39.500 What's the trajectory moving forward? Yeah, so the process is that people are applying to testify.

00:21:48.060 They are sworn in, so they are under oath when they testify. They are cross-examined

00:21:54.600 by lawyers. Then the commissioners get to ask them questions, and then the people attending

00:22:00.720 the hearings the audience can ask them questions questions are brought up to the front and the

00:22:05.120 commissioners will ask the questions that the audience has um we all the hearings happen in

00:22:12.000 three-day increments so we are in toronto next march 30th 31st april 1st then we move west we

00:22:20.320 go to winnipeg uh saskatoon red deer victorian vancouver and then we go back to quebec and then

00:22:27.840 we end in Ottawa. Now, are you looking at provincial and federal, and I guess

00:22:33.540 theoretically municipal responses here? Absolutely. I mean, we've heard some quite

00:22:40.360 shocking testimony from people at all levels in terms of provincial, municipal, and community

00:22:47.760 levels at this point. Nothing federally, but as I said, they are invited. One of the things that

00:22:54.640 really strikes me here is that a lot of the people that push the most heavy-handed and

00:22:59.920 Orwellian responses to this are kind of backtracking on it now or quietly hoping

00:23:06.840 everyone moves on. We've seen around the world people that were, I'd say, quite vicious about

00:23:11.500 pushing vaccine mandates. If you look at some European country, mandatory vaccination. Just

00:23:16.140 last week or two weeks ago, the German health minister, who at one time was trying to get a

00:23:20.860 mandatory vaccine bill passed was last week talking about vaccine injuries and how the pharma

00:23:25.540 companies need to compensate people. So there has been this walk back, but it's not been a reckoning.

00:23:32.120 I've not seen any government officials that have really come out and said, you know what,

00:23:36.160 we got it wrong. We're sorry. In fact, if anything, they've just fed more and more

00:23:40.340 into this idea of trying to preserve the narrative. You know, I think that where the inquiry is coming

00:23:47.780 from is we're starting with a blank slate. We want people to hear the evidence. We're not interested

00:23:54.300 in the politics of it. This is nonpartisan. We heard from people of all political stripes who

00:24:00.280 were witnesses at the inquiry. There are a couple of objectives. One is to have people's stories

00:24:06.800 heard. So we have experts, we have world-class experts presenting evidence, but we also have

00:24:12.880 ordinary Canadians who were harmed by the mandates by government policies in fact a poll was done

00:24:19.440 that three out of four Canadians felt that they experienced harm due to the policies we're not

00:24:26.480 hearing from those people those are the people whose stories need to be told they need to be

00:24:31.200 told for posterity so that we have the record of them and they need to be told so that Canadians

00:24:37.600 can begin to heal our divisions because i really believe this is an olive branch this is a way to

00:24:43.280 say look you may have agreed with these policies but look what's what the outcome was for these

00:24:49.200 people i mean people's lives have been destroyed surely we can do better and i think if we tap into

00:24:55.280 that if we tap into the inherent kindness and compassion that canadians are known for that

00:25:00.800 something good will inevitably come of this obviously we just had in the fall the public

00:25:06.240 Order Emergency Commission. So the idea of an inquiry is not something that's a foreign to

00:25:10.780 people. This is going before that. This isn't about the Emergencies Act. It's not about the convoy.

00:25:14.980 Are you really starting here at March 2020? Yeah, I mean, we're talking about everything.

00:25:23.020 We're talking about the impact of masks, of lockdowns, of the shots, of policies that

00:25:31.020 that have people lose their jobs everything everything is on the table and what is it that

00:25:37.660 you envision happening at the end of this so you'll come there will be a report of some kind

00:25:43.260 what do you want that document to be what do you want the legacy to be

00:25:47.420 i want i think we want it to be a legacy of truth we want a document that tells the truth that is

00:25:54.380 evidence-based that tells the truth about what happened what we did and how we can do better

00:26:01.020 So one of the things that really struck me about the government response to COVID is that we've talked about this on the show before, there was an abdication of decision making to the so-called experts.

00:26:12.540 And oftentimes we would come up with information that kind of disproved what the experts were saying, and the experts would oftentimes contradict themselves.

00:26:20.400 And some people would give a charitable interpretation of this, that, well, you know, the evidence changes, and when you get new evidence, you amend your previous thesis and move on from there.

00:26:29.640 but a lot of the times I think people were expected to have a blind trust in experts which

00:26:35.640 as we saw did not suit everyone well people had a lot of harm at the hands of some of these

00:26:40.920 measures and I know your inquiry is looking into that but but let me just ask about the role of

00:26:46.140 the experts here do you think there could be an enduring re-evaluation of how we engage in people

00:26:51.500 that how we engage with people that have letters after their name quite frankly and and you know

00:26:55.600 how much deference we have in policy making to these people. I think that's inevitable. I think

00:27:00.660 it's going to have to happen, particularly when you hear testimony like that of Dr. Phillips,

00:27:06.000 Dr. Patrick Phillips, who filled out 10 vaccine injury reports. Nine of those were rejected

00:27:15.000 and an investigation against him was started by the college. They also contacted all nine of those

00:27:24.260 patients told them that his diagnosis was incorrect and encouraged them to get another

00:27:30.140 another vaccine yeah so inevitably we're going to have to look at what an expert is

00:27:36.340 and are they being censored are they being allowed to speak we also heard really damning testimony

00:27:42.740 from um a woman who worked worked for the nova scotia board of health i believe and she had data

00:27:52.080 of all of the, all of the hospital,

00:27:57.000 from all the hospitals across Nova Scotia.

00:27:59.300 And she said what the media was telling people

00:28:02.600 was inaccurate, unequivocally.

00:28:06.720 So without her and without this inquiry,

00:28:09.320 that document or that data

00:28:11.060 probably never would have seen the light of day.

00:28:13.340 Yeah, that's what we're seeing.

00:28:15.180 We're seeing incredible testimony.

00:28:17.240 I mean, with not just people's stories,

00:28:20.140 but hard evidence.

00:28:22.520 All right.

00:28:23.180 Well, we'll keep an eye for the process as it goes

00:28:25.280 and definitely check back in with you.

00:28:27.260 Michelle LaDuke-Catlin, thank you so much for coming on

00:28:29.680 and great work on this.

00:28:30.880 You're welcome.

00:28:31.520 Thank you.

00:28:31.880 And I encourage everybody to go to the National Citizens Inquiry website,

00:28:36.080 sign the petition, have your voice heard, volunteer if you can,

00:28:39.480 get involved because this is only going to go

00:28:41.560 the way Canadians determine how it's going to go.

00:28:44.740 Yes, nationalcitizensinquiry.ca,

00:28:46.820 the next round starting March 30th in Toronto.

00:28:49.300 and it's all streamed online for people to follow along correct yes it is thank you wonderful thank

00:28:54.420 you so much michelle we'll talk to you soon okay good all right well that does it for me for today

00:28:59.260 i so far i've made it through and i'm not swimming i'm not drowning i do my feet aren't even wet so

00:29:04.720 uh perhaps we've stemmed it or maybe when i open the door it's going to be just like the flood of

00:29:09.040 water comes in and all the equipment's dead and then we need to do a crowdfunding campaign i don't

00:29:13.460 know. But either way, thank you so much. My colleague Phil is saying, show us the flood,

00:29:18.740 you liar. So he thinks I'm just doing this for the ratings. So if I were doing it for the ratings, 0.96

00:29:22.820 Phil, I would have drowned live on air and put a little donation plug there if you want to bring

00:29:27.960 me back to life. That's how you do it these days. We don't get the $1.4 billion a year. We got to be

00:29:32.780 creative. In all honesty, though, if you support independent media and want to support fixing my

00:29:38.800 water-damaged home, perhaps. No, no, no. Money doesn't go towards that. You can head on over to

00:29:43.220 donate.tnc.news. Donate.tnc.news. And we are going to be out in full force at the Canada

00:29:50.000 Strong and Free Conference. I am leaving tomorrow. It kicks off tomorrow. I think Stephen Harper is

00:29:54.660 speaking tomorrow. There's Danielle Smith. There's Pierre Polyev. There's lots of Alberta

00:29:58.800 cabinet ministers. Jamil Giovanni. It's going to be a grand old time. And I hope to see some of you

00:30:03.860 there and i believe true north uh insiders have access to a little event we're putting together

00:30:08.780 so i know i'll see a few of you there that does it for us we will talk to you in two days time

00:30:13.420 this is canada's most irreverent talk show thank you god bless and good day to you all

00:30:18.000 thanks for listening to the andrew lawton show

00:30:22.180 support the program by donating to true north at www.tnc.news

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Juno News - March 21, 2023

Trudeau’s chief of staff will testify on Chinese interference

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