Juno News - Trudeau’s crumbling case against the Freedom Convoy Pt. II (Ft. Ari Goldkind)

00:00:00.000 If the Emergencies Act powers were granted in the most limited way, the tow truck drivers

00:00:06.220 were forced, go get rid of the big rigs, line them up, tow, maybe I'm okay with that.

00:00:13.140 But when you start freezing the ordinary bank accounts, the non-money laundering, tax evading,

00:00:20.740 I mean, this is a country where 27 million people out of about 30 something pay taxes.

00:00:25.360 Most evade taxes. The money laundering in this country is insane. Check the housing markets if

00:00:31.460 you don't believe me if you're in Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal. But when you have ordinary

00:00:36.000 people giving 25 bucks or 50 bucks to a cause that they believe in to protest mandates and

00:00:43.080 lockdowns, which look at where the science has us now. Just look at where the science in quotation

00:00:48.840 mark, science trademark, has us now. That to me is where the Emergencies Act became disgusting.

00:00:57.460 It wasn't limited in its scope. It was an excuse for Freeland to go do what she wanted to do 0.57

00:01:03.320 in her plutocratic way, which by the way, is a betrayal of who she was 11 or 12 years ago.

00:01:09.380 As a journalist, that too.

00:01:10.920 As she wrote her book. So for me, full disclosure, I have trouble believing something was a terrible

00:01:18.420 crisis emergency in a civilized Western country because a downtown part of Ottawa was messed up.

00:01:27.180 And look, I sympathize with the people who had to hear the horns. I do. But when you have on the

00:01:33.100 weekend or week of the emergency being invoked in Ontario, let's not just call it Canada,

00:01:37.780 in Ottawa, Ontario, but the premier of the province is snowmobiling. He's out snowmobiling. I'm not

00:01:46.060 knocking him more power to him. I wish I had a snowmobile. But when you have the premier of the

00:01:51.520 province in the middle of this dire, federal, provincial emergency snowmobiling, you can make

00:02:00.140 all the intellectual, ideological, esoterical arguments that you want to me. I have real skepticism

00:02:07.580 that this needed to be invoked. And who backs me up on this? A lot of the OPP members who

00:02:14.280 have testified so far.

00:02:32.500 So just shifting gears a little bit, Ari, what do you think of the conduct of the inquiry so far?

00:02:40.520 What do you think of Justice Rouleau's handling of this? Do you think he's coming across as fair-minded

00:02:47.000 and impartial to you?

00:02:48.420 I think it's too early to say. I mean, look, he's a justice of the Court of Appeal. He's used to being

00:02:52.980 fair-minded and impartial. I do think that this has too much of a tinge of politics. Freedom convoy,

00:03:00.560 bad. Residents of Ottawa, good. Lawyers for Ottawa residents, good. And fighting justice and sort of

00:03:09.260 Superman versus freedom convoy people and lawyers, bad and Lex Luthor-like, that's not what the

00:03:17.120 invocation of the Emergencies Act is about. It's not about whether you like either side. I've made

00:03:24.280 this point repeatedly. I would be saying the same thing if this was a Black Lives Matter protest.

00:03:30.800 I'm not a fan of that violence. Sorry, let me use the Seinfeld not that there's anything wrong

00:03:36.700 with an addendum. The mostly peaceful protests that you always have to say. I don't care if it

00:03:43.340 was some far-left Antifa protest. If it was on the streets of Ottawa, in downtown, there wasn't

00:03:50.320 violence. There was freedom of expression, freedom of assembly. These charter rights that used to matter

00:03:56.480 or in today's day and age, the freedom to not be offended. That seems to be now like in the Bill

00:04:02.520 of Rights or the Charter is that I can't say anything that offends you. Well, if I can't say

00:04:06.900 anything that offends you, there is no free speech. There is no freedom of expression. So back to your

00:04:12.880 Justice Rouleau question. I think it's too soon to know. I think he's going to do his best to do his

00:04:20.160 best. But no judge descends from the mountaintops, Rupa. They're not immune to the politics,

00:04:27.600 the partisanship, the pressure of the day, the idea that one side is light, the other side is dark.

00:04:35.800 I always use a very cliché term, the other shoe test. If you don't think that X should happen

00:04:44.800 because you don't like X, substitute them with Y. If it was a protest, if Trump was the Prime Minister

00:04:53.600 of Canada and he flew in in his West Palm Beach 757 right into Sussex Drive and landed improperly

00:05:03.560 without permits and 50,000 people with special pink hats did the very same thing with Priuses and

00:05:11.320 Subarus and blocked up those streets in Ottawa and did all the noise and dances and megaphones and all 0.92

00:05:19.480 of that, would the very same people say that Canada for the first time in its history should have invoked

00:05:26.420 the Emergencies Act because the OPP, the RCMP, the politicians provincially, federally and municipally

00:05:33.920 were so feckless to these people with their bouncy castles or these weird charges that Tamara

00:05:40.920 Leach charges and all of these things that Justice Goodman, Justice Goodman, go back to our last

00:05:46.800 conversation for anybody who thinks this is just my view, talking about some of these charges and

00:05:53.140 how politically motivated they are. If you don't think it should be good for the goose,

00:06:00.580 you have no business thinking it's good for the gander. That being said, as you and I speak,

00:06:06.740 this is not over. There's a long way to go. I'm worried that the report will be bureaucratic speak.

00:06:14.080 I'm worried that the conclusion of the report will be so judicial, so deferential to government,

00:06:20.760 so deferential to the choices they had at the time being, we don't look at things in hindsight.

00:06:27.360 I have a feeling that will be part of the decision, which will render the whole point of the inquiry

00:06:33.100 moot. We absolutely must look at things in hindsight, and I think there will be a tremendous

00:06:40.200 amount of deference from Justice Rouleau to the liberal powers of the day, the Prime Minister

00:06:47.960 Freeland and her Deputy Prime Minister Trudeau. I think there will be a tremendous amount of...

00:06:53.820 No, no, I did that on purpose.

00:06:55.160 Okay.

00:06:55.720 That wasn't a misspeak. I did that on purpose. I think that there will be a tremendous amount

00:07:02.900 of deference. There often is in these kinds of cases, Rupa. It wouldn't be new. If the facts

00:07:11.360 lead us to Justice Rouleau... Let me add a moment of levity. I'm a WWF, WWE fan. Stone Cold Steve Austin

00:07:20.440 used to say, open a can of whoop-ass. If Justice Rouleau heard enough to say, look, this is so 0.86

00:07:26.300 serious, so much of an infringement and a front to the rights of ordinary average Canadians, the way

00:07:32.320 these people have been smeared, the bank accounts, the lack of due process, the ex parte this, the ex

00:07:37.740 parte that means without notice. If Justice Rouleau thought that, I'd be very shocked to see him write

00:07:45.060 that. And I think that's going back to what I said at the beginning of Jagmeet Singh going, well,

00:07:50.300 I'll have to see what the report says. Even if maybe the act shouldn't have been done, or maybe

00:07:55.220 we had other options, I just have to see how it's written before I decide to part ways with Mr. Trudeau.

00:08:02.360 Well, he actually said that even if the report concludes that...

00:08:06.840 His words. His words were a little bit nuanced. I have to read it first.

00:08:10.540 Okay.

00:08:10.860 He's a former criminal defense lawyer, Jagmeet Singh. People forget that. I used to see him in court.

00:08:16.020 Okay.

00:08:16.860 Now, he's gone on to bigger and better and greener pastures, muzzle-tove to him.

00:08:20.840 But that's because I'm worried about getting a 700-page report here that basically just,

00:08:29.560 even if he says there were other options or whatever, I have a feeling it will be so deferential

00:08:35.040 that both sides will be able to claim victory. And to me, that will render the whole point,

00:08:40.280 the expense. This is a very expensive process. I mean, everybody's in hotels. Everybody's there.

00:08:45.860 Everybody's there in person. Lawyers, this. Remember, they didn't want to pay for the convoy

00:08:49.340 lawyers, which was horse manure. They had to go to court to get those monies opened up. That tells 0.96

00:08:54.180 you something about this. That's an interesting point for another day, which is that you were going

00:08:58.840 to have all the money in the world for the government lawyers, but the convoy people had to beg to have

00:09:05.240 some of their money made available to them to defend themselves. Think that.

00:09:09.020 Well, I didn't know this. So can you.

00:09:11.540 Yeah. So this was a big, big story. It didn't get talked about enough, which is, it's sort of like,

00:09:17.960 you know, I don't want to be too long here. I don't know how much time we have left, but

00:09:20.660 you know, if the state charges Rupa or one of Rupa's viewers today with a crime, let's say you get

00:09:27.680 charged with a crime. Let's make it an easy crime. He said, she said, somebody says Rupa did X.

00:09:32.520 You get charged criminally. Well, Rupa, you make a little bit too much money. There's nothing to do

00:09:38.560 with what you make. You have to be way, way, way, way below the poverty line to get a lawyer paid for

00:09:44.380 for you. The government will have endless resources to prosecute you. Endless, endless prosecutors,

00:09:51.440 endless police, endless time in court, all on the salary fully paid. You will have to pay me.

00:09:58.100 And I assure you, I'm pretty expensive to get you out of this. Now, why do I make that link? You may

00:10:05.280 be completely innocent and you would like to defend yourself. And in a liberal democratic world,

00:10:11.700 it's supposed to be a fair fight. Well, the only way it can be a fair fight is if you basically

00:10:18.240 bankrupt yourself to fight back. Look at Danny Fortin. Anybody who doesn't know what I'm talking about,

00:10:23.820 look at the machinery of the state against Danny Fortin, the army person charged with sex assault.

00:10:29.840 He's been bankrupted by his legal fees. It was a charge from 34 years ago. He's led an exemplary

00:10:36.340 life since. His cross-examination is showing there's real problem, but he's bankrupted from it.

00:10:41.640 He can't get hired, can't get a job. What's the point I make? At the Freedom Convoy or Emergencies Act

00:10:48.100 Inquiry, the government was going to have reams of lawyers, all the money in the world. By the way,

00:10:53.680 Rupa, paid for it by you and me. Yeah, of course.

00:10:56.620 The convoy people who have obviously skin in the game and a huge stake in this,

00:11:02.780 they were told they can't access the money they've raised. It was frozen via court injunction. Remember

00:11:10.480 hundreds of thousands of dollars raised? Yeah. It was frozen. That side didn't want them to have

00:11:17.920 money to be able to pay their lawyers to fight back. Think that through. Ordinary average Canadians

00:11:24.620 sent money to the Freedom Convoy people so that they would be able to afford legal representation.

00:11:32.080 So they weren't sitting there firing questions off because self-represented people or people who aren't

00:11:37.120 lawyers, they're not going to do well at this. I know people watch too much TV and see the moron 1.00

00:11:41.620 wanting to defend themselves. It never goes well. And so they had to go to court and seek an injunction 1.00

00:11:47.580 to get their own money back to level the playing field, to have legal representation, to do justice

00:11:54.400 to their cause. And the point throughout our discussion this week is if you look at the cross 0.59

00:12:00.040 examination done by people adverse in interest, adverse in interest to the government's use of

00:12:07.280 the emergencies act, you couldn't have done that without legal representation. The idea that they

00:12:12.720 had to fight to access their own money, their own money raised by their own donors was a story that got

00:12:21.140 very little attention. It came and went, but it bothered me very, very significantly as a citizen and as a

00:12:28.420 citizen. This has been bothering me for a while, Ari. What do you think of officials, politicians,

00:12:36.660 and even Chief Bell yesterday or the day before, when these people characterize the protests as

00:12:45.560 occupation and the protesters as occupiers, shouldn't they be sticking to technical legal language or

00:12:53.120 neutral language when it comes to something as big as this, which ended up being very, very polarizing?

00:13:03.680 What do you make of the fact that Chief Bell refers to the protests as occupation and the

00:13:11.880 protesters as occupiers? It almost seems like he already has his mind made up and he has an angle

00:13:20.420 here. Well, he does. He does have an angle here. He's made his own bias well known that he thinks

00:13:25.680 he needed the act and, you know, he couldn't have done it without it. But I'm going to answer your

00:13:30.400 question, Rupa, and you know when you have me on, you may get answers that you may not like and that

00:13:34.400 your audience may not like and you're well aware I don't care. I actually don't have a problem

00:13:40.340 with that term. I think he uses it because nobody's going to push back and he can,

00:13:45.920 because Freedom Convoy, bad. Citizens of Ottawa, police, good. Trudeau government, good. Freedom

00:13:53.340 Convoy, leech, conservative people, bad. White supremacist, misogynist, racist, to quote our 1.00

00:13:59.920 Prime Minister. So Steve Bell knows he has cover for that. The media is not going to push back 1.00

00:14:04.600 on that term. So he can use it with impunity. Imagine if it was a Black Lives Matter protest,

00:14:10.800 same cause, same way of doing it. Again, maybe not in big rig trucks, but same way. Park downtown,

00:14:18.640 not going anywhere. Do you think he'd call Black Lives Matter protesters occupiers? No chance. Do

00:14:24.400 you think if it was an Indigenous protest about residential schools or money or this, do you

00:14:30.360 think he'd call them that? Not a chance on the planet. But here's why my answer may run afoul with

00:14:36.680 the audience. And again, I don't care. They did occupy downtown Ottawa. It's a plain and ordinary

00:14:42.660 word. They were told to leave. They didn't. There were injunctions to leave. They didn't. They made it

00:14:48.480 clear that they're staying. Whether they should or shouldn't, that's probably a longer discussion for

00:14:53.280 today. If they shouldn't have been in downtown Ottawa, by the way, where should they be? Moose Jaw,

00:14:59.760 Saskatchewan, rainy river. If you want to protest the federal government and the federal government

00:15:07.200 destroying the country with mandates and nonsense about the vaccines. Again, I'm not an anti-vaxxer.

00:15:13.920 I'm vaccinated. Full disclosure, so nobody gets it. But if you didn't have the view that people should

00:15:19.060 be fired or lose their jobs because they don't want to take a jab that didn't prevent transmission

00:15:24.000 or infection, where should that protest happen in a free and democratic society? Again, if it

00:15:32.220 shouldn't have been in downtown Ottawa, by the way, the protest was effective. We keep forgetting in all

00:15:38.440 of this noise that the protest was effective. So many of these lockdowns, mandates, and rules changed

00:15:46.600 at the time of the convoy for right after. They won't admit it. And I see you nodding. So I think this

00:15:53.340 point brings some recollection back to you back to earlier this year. But nobody talks about that.

00:15:59.180 This wasn't an ineffectual protest. They didn't burn down police stations. They didn't burn down

00:16:05.040 Wendy's. They didn't shoot people. They didn't fight people. Everybody forgets that this was an

00:16:11.880 actually peaceful protest. Yes, you can mail me and say, oh, there were a number of charges and

00:16:17.380 weapons charges and mischief. I don't care. I think that's an ideologically pedantic argument.

00:16:23.340 But the point is, to your question, when he calls them occupiers, and again, he is a master

00:16:29.560 linguist for all of the reasons we've discussed. I'm not going to use the other term. It is completely

00:16:35.200 fine with me that he calls a spade a spade. My point to you is, it's fine that he called them that.

00:16:43.060 They weren't going anywhere. They were occupying downtown, just like Occupy Wall Street, Occupy this.

00:16:48.120 But there's no chance he would have used that term if it was a group on the left or far left. Now,

00:16:54.500 he'd never agree with me if he was here. But I must say, Rupa, in full answer to your question,

00:17:00.620 trying to be straight with every discussion I have, the use of that word does not bother me.

00:17:05.560 Yeah, no, I agree with you, Ari. I mean, occupying the streets of Ottawa, I have no problem with that

00:17:10.720 with that sentence. But I think what's happening here is that they're using this term in a denigrating

00:17:17.140 way, in a way that almost represents these people as outsiders, like an invading army.

00:17:23.060 So let me stop you. That's a good point. And that brings us to something that reflects the contempt

00:17:28.420 that we now see in Canadians. OK, I'm going to say this very clearly. And again,

00:17:33.680 you wrap me up whenever you want. I'm good. But I think you hit something that's very important.

00:17:38.240 When words like that are used, Rupa, and I feel very passionate about this. And nobody knows what

00:17:43.600 I really feel about the protests. Nobody knows. But when you use terms, I think occupant is more

00:17:50.840 benign maybe than you do. I think there are other terms used by the prime minister that these people

00:17:57.260 are white supremacists. If race had anything to do with it, I mean, look at the trucking industry.

00:18:03.640 Anybody need an explainer, an update on whether the trucking industry is white anymore? I mean,

00:18:11.060 just go to your Google machine and figure it out. Or if you're anti-lockdown or anti-vax or thinks your

00:18:17.240 kids should be in school and not becoming terrible at math and no social skills and not able to read

00:18:23.400 people's faces and visual cues and have friends and have outside time and not be glued to an iPad, 0.97

00:18:29.600 you're somehow now a misogynist, a racist, a white supremacist. There is from the highest powers 0.70

00:18:38.000 in this country, Rupa, there is, and they get rewarded for it. So don't get me wrong. It's a

00:18:44.140 political calculation. There is a war on certain segments of the middle class. It is open. It is 0.56

00:18:51.460 not hidden. There is a contempt for the ordinary average, more historically Canadian, take your kid 0.99

00:19:00.640 to hockey, go to Tim Hortons, work a couple jobs, maybe in manufacturing, maybe in your local town,

00:19:08.960 maybe you're not in IT, maybe you're not working at Intel, or something like that. There's a contempt

00:19:17.080 in this country for the people who make this country and made this country, whether you're an

00:19:23.120 immigrant and working 18 hours a day, whether you're black, whether you're Indian, there is a 0.96

00:19:29.720 contempt for people who are not insane, for people who are not woke. It is so easy, and you always see

00:19:37.140 the term white supremacist being dragged about in a country that the census yesterday described as a

00:19:43.340 quarter immigrant, none of them, by the way, 10% from Europe, down from 65%. This is a country that

00:19:50.180 is no longer white or run in that way, or white supremacist. Look at the people calling it out.

00:19:55.600 They're the people in the highest echelons of power. And so the reason that I want to say that

00:20:00.640 is because it's easy to go after the people that were in Ottawa. They're easy targets, nobody will

00:20:07.500 fight back for them, because they're worried about being called a name. And I'll make this point, which

00:20:12.440 you will say is a non sequitur, but I follow news around the world. If you look at the states, if you

00:20:18.220 look at Biden, if you look at the midterm races, there's only one race you can go after and say it's

00:20:25.200 evil. If you watch MSNBC, there's only one race you can go after and say it is evil. All of the 0.90

00:20:31.560 flyover people in Oklahoma, Arkansas, the Midwest, you can insult all of those people to your heart's

00:20:38.980 content, say anything about any other race, any other religion, any other minority, you're done.

00:20:44.400 You're toast. Why do I make this point? Look at what happened at the hurricane in Florida. You'll say,

00:20:49.820 what does that have to do with the Emergencies Act, to your point, about Steve Bell's language?

00:20:54.100 Look at the response from Ron DeSantis to the hurricane. Causeways destroyed, homes destroyed,

00:21:01.560 bridges torn out, everything destroyed, hundreds of thousands of Floridians of all voting persuasions,

00:21:10.000 their retirement, their homes, everything wiped out. Look at the response in the days after the

00:21:16.540 hurricane. Did you see Priuses showing up to fix the power grid? Did you see people in

00:21:24.080 Subarus showing up to fix the power grid? Did you see far left teachers from New York City

00:21:31.080 showing up to fix the power grid and fix the bridges? No. It's the Americans who have long been forgotten, 0.86

00:21:39.080 the guys with beards, the women that want to have children and have them get a great education,

00:21:44.880 the people that drive pickup trucks, the people that get up at six in the morning with a lunch pail,

00:21:51.880 go to work, don't get home till nine. They don't make a million off their 401k. They're never going

00:21:58.460 to run for office. They don't live on Twitter, Rupa. They're out trying to just be a decent person,

00:22:05.620 decent breadwinners, trying to get by on two jobs, shopping at Walmart. I know you may say,

00:22:10.900 and I understand why people say, what does that have to do with what we're talking about?

00:22:14.260 It takes me right back to the convoy, the Emergencies Act inquiry, the use of the term

00:22:20.420 occupier, what Justin Trudeau called them, rather than saying, they're as Canadian as you and me,

00:22:27.900 even if they don't believe in this globalist, not conspiracy, this globalist agenda,

00:22:34.160 where every move we make always seems to have a disproportionately terrible effect on the middle

00:22:41.960 class and the hardworking and the taxpaying. But somehow the Jeff Bezos's, the Mark Carney's,

00:22:49.560 the Krista Freeland's, and the Justin Trudeau's born with a silver shovel in his mouth,

00:22:55.000 they always tend to do much better. Is that just a coincidence, Rupa? I think not. That's why I think

00:23:02.340 you have to take the language that they use to describe ordinary average Canadians who are just

00:23:09.060 trying to skate by. And you compare that to the actual reality of what you can and cannot say in

00:23:16.260 this country. And to me, it's greatly depressing, if not offensive. Yeah, well, that was brilliant. I

00:23:24.440 mean, I wanted to end on that, but I'm dying to get your take. This is a final question to you.

00:23:32.340 You know, you touched upon, towards the end, you touched upon the official narrative, so to speak.

00:23:38.900 Where do you see that today? What is the state of this official narrative

00:23:43.740 today based on what we've heard so far from the public inquiry?

00:23:49.800 In terms of where I think it's going, where I think it is, just help me understand so I answer

00:23:53.940 your question better. Yeah. In terms of where it is today, given that the official narrative,

00:23:59.100 at least in large sections of the legacy media, was very, very anti-protest and that they were a bunch

00:24:06.520 of violent insurrectionists. And they were basically towing the government line on the narrative

00:24:14.740 on the protests. But, you know, you mentioned Pat Morris. Pat Morris basically, you know, discredited

00:24:23.660 this narrative last week when he gave his testimony. So I'm just wondering where this,

00:24:31.080 I feel like that the official narrative is crumbling bit by bit. And I suspect it's just

00:24:37.780 going to get worse for that narrative going forward. And I wonder if you share that view.

00:24:43.880 My prediction, and up until now, is you're right again. And I'm glad we talked about Morris.

00:24:49.100 For people who are watching us, and I hope people are watching us, for people who are watching us,

00:24:55.460 when we're done, because you can't leave until Rupa and I are done, you really should go find

00:25:00.620 Pat Morris's testimony. It's really worth watching. I know it's not exciting. I know it's not a shiny

00:25:08.200 new object. But if you're really a person of deep conscience in this country, go find the clips of

00:25:14.780 him answering those questions. To your question of where it's going, I think it is crumbling.

00:25:21.000 I never thought it was that strong to start with Rupa. So I think we're starting with sort of a

00:25:26.000 straw man or a glass house. Okay. So I have to say, I never thought it had constitutional or

00:25:32.620 foundational footing. If it did, the narrative would have been much clearer, not this Jenga mix

00:25:39.860 of building blocks and Legos that don't match. And Peter can't speak to Paul and the right hand

00:25:45.760 doesn't speak to the left. Remember, we're talking about an extraordinary act. We are not talking about

00:25:53.560 something that, you know, every four or five years comes to play, or something that every 10 or 15

00:25:58.780 years, somebody so annoying that we have to invoke this document. Okay. We're not talking about that.

00:26:04.840 We're talking about something that was meant to be as rare as the dodo bird. And if something as rare

00:26:11.060 as the dodo bird or the proverbial unicorn descended on Ottawa, just Ottawa on that day, where all sorts

00:26:18.560 of police officers, we don't need the act. We've got what we need. Yeah. There wasn't unanimous

00:26:23.560 agreement, which is why Ford's testimony is desired. Did Ford think this was an emergency or was he

00:26:29.480 enjoying his heated snowmobile? I'm being facetious. But I never thought that this was that strong. So

00:26:35.160 I think it will continue on the path it is. I think you'll see more of an attempt to smear.

00:26:41.920 As it gets worse for the narrative, you'll see more of an attempt to smear the protesters.

00:26:47.140 To your point about media, how does the narrative get out that convoy is bad,

00:26:52.680 or that vaccine mandates are good, or that Pfizer and Moderna are heroes, unless it's on the six o'clock

00:27:00.060 mainstream news or the front page of the Globe and Mail. I did a whole piece last week. Again,

00:27:05.860 I'm not going to get into it. People can find it if they want. I'm not going to plug it.

00:27:09.300 But whatever happened to investigative journalism, where the whole idea of the press was to push back

00:27:15.520 against power. The whole idea of the Globe and Mail and the Toronto Star was to push back against power

00:27:24.720 and the elites and the ivory tower. Now, in many ways, shapes and forms, they are the spokespeople

00:27:31.300 with a quid pro quo to the people in power. That bothers me. I'm not knocking it. I do a lot of work

00:27:38.640 in that area. I think the people are incredible. But what would happen if the people said, look,

00:27:44.860 we're not going to lose ad revenue. If we challenge some of this, we're not going to lose

00:27:49.840 ad revenue if we're not in lockstep with everything Justin Trudeau tells us to do. We're

00:27:56.040 not going to lose ad revenue. We're already hemorrhaging ad revenue. We don't need to be

00:28:01.760 in lockstep or spokespeople as if it's the press gallery. So to your point about the media, that to

00:28:07.740 me, we've lost that in the last 10 or 15 years with the loss of local journalism, everything moving

00:28:13.920 to Twitter. I hate Twitter, full disclosure, anti-social media. I never call it social.

00:28:18.660 It's the opposite of that. Twitter, as your colleague Barry Weiss says, and I know you think

00:28:23.440 as highly of her as I do, is the masthead of the New York Times. If we just got rid of the insanity, 0.94

00:28:29.680 which is also called wokeness, we wouldn't be in this point of view. Here's the end of my answer

00:28:36.460 to your question, the denouement, if you will. As bad as I think the narrative is, the fact that

00:28:42.880 it's crumbling or mixed, maybe I'll say mixed to be fair, I wouldn't be shocked if Justin Trudeau 1.00

00:28:49.480 turns it around. I don't think he would be as prepared, even though he was going to testify

00:28:54.940 and should and all that. And I give him credit for this. I'm not a fan of his policies. I am a fan

00:28:59.780 of his hair. I continue to be jealous of it. But the point of it is, I think he, if anybody can do it,

00:29:07.680 I think people have such low expectations of his testimony, that if anybody can turn the narrative

00:29:14.760 of the previous weeks on its side, it may be him. I may be wrong. If I'm wrong, I'm going to be happy

00:29:20.320 to be wrong. But I think that's the moment where I think the people following this will have their

00:29:27.240 expectations affected. I don't know. We'll see. We'll talk about it in the future. But that is my

00:29:34.680 sense of where this is going. Well, Ari, I mean, I hope you're wrong. And but on that very depressing

00:29:42.360 note, you know, it's been a pleasure as ever having you on the show. Of course, we're just starting to

00:29:50.180 get a sense of what's going to happen with the inquiry. But I'm so glad that you agreed to

00:29:55.120 chat with me about the public inquiry into the Emergencies Act. And hopefully, you'll be back

00:30:01.680 again to talk about it some more as as as it unfolds unfolds in the coming weeks. And thanks

00:30:08.940 for being on the show again, Ari. It's been a real pleasure. And as ever, it's been phenomenal. And I'm

00:30:15.400 sure our viewers and listeners feel the same way. It's always great to be with you, Rupa, including a

00:30:21.500 lot of viewers and listeners who I think have been long forgotten and tune into you because I think

00:30:26.320 the conversations we have, Rupa, and I feel this very sincerely, I talk about it a lot. All we're

00:30:31.560 doing is talking about what people talk about at their dinner table, but have been pressured and

00:30:36.360 intimidated into not talking about publicly. I think that hurts democracy. I think it's illiberal.

00:30:42.000 And I think it's absolutely an affront to the people that have built this country of all shapes

00:30:48.200 and sizes, all races and religions. If you can't talk publicly the way you would at your dinner table

00:30:54.080 out in the public square, there is no longer any public square. So I'm happy that whoever listens

00:30:59.880 to us and follows you took the time to listen to you and I today. Well, I'm sure they did. And

00:31:06.320 I'm really grateful that you came onto my show and I hope to continue this conversation with you soon.

00:31:12.520 Thank you, Rupa.

00:31:13.600 Okay. Take care, Ari.

Juno News - November 03, 2022

Trudeau’s crumbling case against the Freedom Convoy Pt. II (Ft. Ari Goldkind)

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