Juno News - Trudeau’s disastrous visit to Tk’emlúps First Nation

00:00:00.000 Prime Minister Justin Trudeau finally visits the Dikem Loops First Nations and things get pretty awkward.

00:00:05.660 We'll talk about his disastrous visit. I'm Candice Malcolm and this is The Candice Malcolm Show.

00:00:13.920 Hi everyone, thank you so much for tuning into the show, tuning into the podcast.

00:00:17.960 We've had a busy week here at True North on Monday.

00:00:20.860 We did a live stream covering the Alberta municipal election as well as the referendum question on equalization.

00:00:27.920 I had Aaron Gunn on my show yesterday. He's running for leader of the BC Liberals and he sounds totally different than a normal politician.

00:00:36.140 He speaks with common sense and conviction and he's not afraid to discuss issues that are thorny and to go against the woke left mob.

00:00:44.880 Well, in all of the excitement that was going on this week, I didn't cover this trip that the Prime Minister took to Kamloops, to the Dikem Loops First Nation.

00:00:52.820 And I want to go through it on the show today because it was pretty awkward, pretty uncomfortable for the Prime Minister to finally go and I want to unpack that.

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00:01:42.900 So today I want to talk about this awkward, awkward trip that the Prime Minister took to Kamloops.

00:01:48.220 But I'm going to give you a little bit of background first because there is a lot of underlying stories and narratives here

00:01:54.880 and the underlying stories are so important to the stories.

00:01:58.060 So in case you've been living under a rock and you haven't been paying attention to the sort of prevailing media narrative

00:02:03.020 over the past six months or so, it all started here.

00:02:06.200 I'm talking about the unmarked graves found at residential schools.

00:02:09.060 The story that blew up across the international media led to really egregious claims against Canada,

00:02:14.940 accusations of mass graves, which were untrue, accusations of genocide that Canada committed, which is untrue,

00:02:21.460 horrible, terrible, unfair comparisons, basically saying that Canada's residential school programs

00:02:27.660 were the equivalent of the Nazi Holocaust against the Jews, which is just absolutely wrong on so many levels.

00:02:34.040 And I'm one of the only voices, I think, in Canada who has been willing to come out and challenge this narrative

00:02:40.400 to say that it's untrue, to talk about the facts, to bring the narrative back to the facts of the story

00:02:45.020 and to talk about how so much of the sensationalism, the moral panic that came from this story

00:02:51.600 was not in fact tied to the facts on the ground or tied to reality.

00:02:55.500 It really, really got sensationalized.

00:02:57.300 I had a piece over at tnc.news that went viral.

00:02:59.920 It's the most read piece in the history of True North.

00:03:02.740 It's called Six Things the Media Got Wrong About the Graves Found Near Residential Schools.

00:03:07.120 I encourage you to head on over and take a look at that if you haven't already.

00:03:11.260 And things got so out of hand from that narrative, from that false narrative that the legacy media pushed

00:03:15.760 and the moral panic that they created, that we then saw dozens and dozens of churches across Canada,

00:03:21.600 over 50, get vandalized, desecrated, or burnt to the ground without really much of a reaction,

00:03:28.080 without really any kind of outcry, outroar from the political class.

00:03:32.400 Instead, we saw people, elites in our society, actually cheering them on, justifying it,

00:03:38.040 making excuses for the arsonists and for the vandals.

00:03:40.920 It was really quite something, one of the worst displays of behavior in recent memory in Canada.

00:03:46.060 And it all originated from this band, from the T'Kemloops First Nation,

00:03:50.760 from a press release that they put out saying that they had confirmed that there were unmarked graves on their property.

00:03:57.200 And again, if you go back to my piece that I wrote,

00:04:01.000 many people would assume from the narrative, from the way that the media reported on it,

00:04:04.880 that there had been some kind of an excavation, that they had actually found the remains of children.

00:04:09.080 They weren't, they didn't, they used ground-penetrating radar, which is a very rudimentary technology.

00:04:15.000 And basically, all that they determined was that there was some soil movement.

00:04:19.620 And even the lead researchers came later, did a press conference where they explained

00:04:24.220 that they had no way of knowing how many graves were there, how many bodies were there,

00:04:29.320 whether they were children, whether they were First Nations.

00:04:31.560 We don't know any of that. It's all sort of unconfirmed in speculation.

00:04:35.520 However, it still blew up into this huge narrative.

00:04:37.860 So that's the first important context and background.

00:04:40.580 The second important piece of background for this story today is that this chief,

00:04:45.300 Chief Roseanne Cashmere, was very public in inviting Prime Minister Justin Trudeau

00:04:50.700 to come to her ceremony on Truth and Reconciliation Day.

00:04:53.660 So September 30th of this year, Canada observed Truth and Reconciliation Day the first time in our history.

00:04:59.360 The holiday was created by Justin Trudeau and the Liberals.

00:05:02.600 Instead of taking up the invitation from this chief, from this very high-profile chief,

00:05:06.960 and her reserve that everyone knows is the one that started the whole narrative about the unmarked graves,

00:05:13.640 Trudeau instead chose to lie to the public to say that he was in Ottawa unofficial meetings

00:05:19.260 when, in fact, where he actually was, was in Tofino.

00:05:22.400 Instead of observing this national holiday that so many Canadians do,

00:05:25.920 so many Canadians instinctively understand that our history isn't perfect,

00:05:30.140 that there were things that happened, that we all deeply regret programs and federal government initiatives that were wrong,

00:05:37.080 that have had very negative impacts on First Nations, Canadians, and those communities.

00:05:41.900 And I think residential schools is absolutely one of those.

00:05:44.160 In no way, shape, or form have ever defended residential schools.

00:05:47.580 I don't think that they were a good idea.

00:05:48.860 I generally oppose large, sweeping federal government programs,

00:05:53.000 especially ones that break up families and remove kids from their homes.

00:05:57.080 My criticism was always about the media narrative and the way that they talked about the story

00:06:01.820 in a way that was sensationalizing it and pushing ideas that weren't true.

00:06:06.720 So all this is to say that Trudeau got into big, big trouble for not commemorating this holiday

00:06:11.440 that so many Canadians did observe, rightly so, in taking steps towards more reconciliation,

00:06:17.580 more fairness, and more quality of outcome for First Nations Canadians.

00:06:21.120 So instead of doing any of that, Trudeau was off on the beach and it was very, very bad.

00:06:25.520 So that's all the context.

00:06:26.860 Now here we are on Monday.

00:06:28.420 Dustin Trudeau is finally in Kamloops.

00:06:31.080 He's at the Kamloops First Nations almost three weeks after he skipped the original invitation

00:06:35.220 to visit on Truth and Reconciliation Day.

00:06:37.580 And when speaking to the press, this is what I'm talking about when things get awkward,

00:06:40.740 because Chief Roseanne Cashmere, good for her, she is absolutely unintimidated by the Prime Minister. 1.00

00:06:46.320 She's not impressed by him and she lets him know it.

00:06:48.880 So here we see the two sitting side by side, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau sitting next to Chief Roseanne Cashmere

00:06:54.760 and she absolutely slams Trudeau. 0.94

00:06:57.540 She absolutely destroys him while he is sitting right next to her.

00:07:01.440 And just watch the look on Trudeau's face.

00:07:03.720 He is just being put in his place, being shamed in a way that MPs in Ottawa,

00:07:09.060 you know, maybe it does happen from time to time with Conservatives,

00:07:12.720 but Trudeau is usually just so smug when it comes to any criticism.

00:07:17.280 So to see him being criticized very fairly and rightly by a First Nations woman, 1.00

00:07:22.780 a strong First Nations leader, a strong woman, is absolutely classic.

00:07:27.440 So here is the clip.

00:07:28.620 It's about two minutes long.

00:07:29.920 And just watch, just look at the look on Justin Trudeau's face.

00:07:33.440 What a sad, sorry, pathetic excuse for a leader in this country.

00:07:37.660 When we imagined welcoming Prime Minister Trudeau to our community,

00:07:43.320 it was envisioned that it would be an opportunity for him to interact

00:07:48.000 with a wide array of survivors, intergenerational survivors,

00:07:52.640 and many different First Nations as part of September the 30th,

00:07:57.600 the first National Day of Truth and Reconciliation.

00:08:00.300 Two letters of invitations were sent to his office to participate in our event.

00:08:08.820 For us, it was to show his commitment to rectifying the historical wrongs

00:08:14.340 of residential school and to grieve with our residential school survivors,

00:08:20.040 whether in person or by a virtual prerecorded greeting

00:08:24.980 and message for all of us here.

00:08:26.960 Instead, in the middle of truth-telling, cultural grounding,

00:08:32.960 and sharing that unfolded as part of the commemoration

00:08:35.920 of the very first National Day of Truth and Reconciliation,

00:08:39.280 in this arbor, a journalist quietly informed us

00:08:43.980 that the Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was on vacation in Tofino.

00:08:47.960 The shock, anger, and sorrow, and disbelief was palpable in our community,

00:08:56.720 and it rippled throughout the world, to say the least.

00:09:01.500 Today is about making some positive steps forward and rectifying a mistake.

00:09:09.000 So, pretty devastating stuff, pretty awkward for the Prime Minister,

00:09:13.300 and again, good for Chief Kashmir for just putting him in his place.

00:09:16.980 And while on that visit to Kamloops, that wasn't the only bad thing for Trudeau,

00:09:20.120 he also got fact-checked by a First Nations group

00:09:23.500 and basically got called out for saying something that wasn't true.

00:09:28.280 So here's a story in the National Post about it.

00:09:30.380 It says,

00:09:30.540 Truth and Reconciliation Centre disputes Trudeau claim

00:09:33.260 all residential schools' records have been transferred.

00:09:36.400 It's time for that to be true.

00:09:38.260 So here is just a bit of the background.

00:09:40.380 So while Trudeau was in Kamloops,

00:09:41.980 he told the media that all requested documentation

00:09:44.060 Ottawa has on residential schools 0.71

00:09:45.920 had been turned over to the National Centre for Truth and Reconciliation

00:09:49.100 in Winnipeg.

00:09:50.640 We will continue to look to make sure

00:09:53.180 that there are no others that we have remaining to turn over,

00:09:56.900 but we have, in our understanding, turned over all of those records

00:10:00.140 while that is not true,

00:10:01.520 according to the National Centre for Truth and Reconciliation,

00:10:04.760 and they have rebuked his claim on their website.

00:10:07.940 They wrote this on their website.

00:10:09.280 It says,

00:10:10.480 At present, we are still waiting for Canada

00:10:12.240 to provide the final versions of school narratives

00:10:14.520 and supporting documents used in the independent assessment process

00:10:18.220 to the NCTR.

00:10:20.060 That's the National Centre for Truth and Reconciliation.

00:10:22.140 The statement also reads,

00:10:23.540 At present, we are also still unable to access

00:10:26.440 Indian hospital records, federal health records,

00:10:28.720 and day school records.

00:10:30.540 All of these records are crucial,

00:10:32.000 not only to support missing children research,

00:10:34.040 but to fully and truthfully document

00:10:35.800 the residential school system,

00:10:37.660 the children who died in the schools,

00:10:39.540 and the ongoing legacy.

00:10:41.160 The statement ended saying,

00:10:42.220 If the Prime Minister is telling all Canadians

00:10:44.040 and Indigenous peoples

00:10:45.000 that the National Truth and Reconciliation Centre

00:10:47.320 holds all the records,

00:10:48.480 it's time for that to be true.

00:10:50.460 So again, pretty devastating stuff

00:10:52.460 for a Prime Minister who virtue signals a lot

00:10:54.820 and likes to pretend that he is very empathetic

00:10:57.020 and caring and that he is the one

00:10:58.660 that is going to help First Nations people in Canada

00:11:01.260 when we all know that that's not true.

00:11:03.060 We all know that Justin Trudeau

00:11:03.900 doesn't really care about this stuff.

00:11:05.380 He only cares about appearing like he cares.

00:11:07.880 He doesn't actually like doing the hard work

00:11:09.860 and following through on his promises.

00:11:12.300 And so that is all coming to light

00:11:14.300 and it is pretty amusing stuff.

00:11:17.340 And now all that being said,

00:11:18.460 I think it is important,

00:11:19.960 especially on this show,

00:11:20.980 on the Candace Malcolm show,

00:11:22.000 that we dissect the statements

00:11:23.920 that both sides make.

00:11:25.240 So we don't let one side get away 0.72

00:11:27.260 with statements that aren't true

00:11:28.720 just because the other side

00:11:29.980 is saying things that aren't true.

00:11:31.500 So one of the things that Chief Kashmir had said

00:11:33.780 is that the findings have been confirmed,

00:11:37.360 that the unmarked graves have been confirmed.

00:11:40.200 Well, that is not exactly true.

00:11:42.700 So to this day,

00:11:43.600 there's still no follow-up and no proof

00:11:45.760 about that story of the 215 unmarked graves.

00:11:48.720 In fact, as I mentioned earlier in the show,

00:11:50.540 when they finally did do their presentation

00:11:52.420 and released the report that they had

00:11:54.340 that was done through a local university,

00:11:56.360 the main researcher said

00:11:58.460 that the 215 number wasn't even true.

00:12:00.520 So you remember all those headlines,

00:12:02.120 215 unmarked graves,

00:12:03.460 215 children found.

00:12:05.740 215 was the number that we heard

00:12:07.320 over and over again.

00:12:08.460 And that number has sort of become a rallying cry.

00:12:10.360 You see it in stickers.

00:12:12.020 You sometimes see it on store window fronts.

00:12:14.380 A lot of people use that 215.

00:12:16.300 You see it a lot on social media.

00:12:17.860 Well, according to the lead researcher

00:12:19.620 who did the report,

00:12:20.700 she said that that 215 number isn't even accurate.

00:12:23.680 It isn't true.

00:12:24.500 That the claim is more something about 200.

00:12:27.260 They expect roughly 200 graves that were found.

00:12:31.100 And she reiterated the idea

00:12:32.380 that it is basically impossible to confirm

00:12:34.940 whether this is true,

00:12:36.680 whether these are actually graves,

00:12:38.260 who these graves belong to,

00:12:39.540 whether they were children at the residential school,

00:12:41.540 whether they were from a previous generation,

00:12:43.880 whether they were First Nations,

00:12:44.940 or whether they were the European settlers

00:12:47.460 who were there at the time.

00:12:48.500 We just don't know the only way to confirm that

00:12:51.260 would be to do excavations,

00:12:53.520 to dig up and find the remains,

00:12:57.060 do carbon dating on the bones

00:12:59.080 and all that kind of thing,

00:13:00.040 which is something that isn't happening at this point.

00:13:02.240 There's no plan to do that.

00:13:03.500 I can't imagine First Nations people wanting to do that, 1.00

00:13:06.780 wanting to dig up a burial space,

00:13:09.200 especially a sacred burial space.

00:13:11.100 So really there is no confirmation.

00:13:13.580 There's no confirmation.

00:13:14.460 We still have a claim.

00:13:15.940 Even, like I said, the lead archaeologist,

00:13:18.060 a woman by the name of Sarah Bilyeu,

00:13:20.340 had to clarify that these results are probable

00:13:22.660 and that they are not confirmed.

00:13:24.440 This is what she said back in July

00:13:25.700 when they did that presentation

00:13:27.320 that was supposed to show the results

00:13:29.540 and confirm all this information.

00:13:31.240 She said,

00:13:32.240 all residential school landscapes

00:13:33.500 are likely to contain burials and missing children,

00:13:36.940 and remote sensing,

00:13:38.180 such as ground penetrating radar,

00:13:39.820 merely provides some spatial specificity to this truth.

00:13:43.660 According to the Globe and Mail,

00:13:44.680 she also stressed her findings can't be confirmed

00:13:47.100 unless excavations are done at the scene,

00:13:49.620 which is why we need to pull back a little

00:13:52.000 and say that these are probable burials.

00:13:54.820 They are targets of interest for sure.

00:13:57.160 She said the sites have multiple signatures

00:13:59.220 that present like burials,

00:14:01.320 but that we do need to say

00:14:02.920 that they are probable until one excavates.

00:14:06.020 So again, the main researchers,

00:14:08.100 the scientists, the archaeologists,

00:14:09.620 say that these are probable graves.

00:14:11.160 And so when you have the chief of a First Nations

00:14:14.080 coming out saying that it is confirmed,

00:14:16.160 that's a political statement,

00:14:17.120 that is not a factual statement,

00:14:18.960 that is not based on the facts on the ground.

00:14:22.260 And there's more.

00:14:23.980 Chief Kashmir has also claimed

00:14:25.620 that some of the bodies were detected

00:14:26.980 were as young as three years old.

00:14:30.220 Again, this is not confirmed

00:14:31.660 by ground penetrating radar.

00:14:33.040 We can't confirm any details

00:14:34.340 about the individuals or how they died.

00:14:36.700 This is from a University of Lethbridge professor

00:14:39.500 named Dr. Paul Vermitts.

00:14:41.340 He says,

00:14:42.080 the radar isn't going to tell you who's down there,

00:14:44.340 nor is it going to tell you what they died.

00:14:46.620 He said that during a event

00:14:48.620 hosted by the Society for Academic Freedom

00:14:50.820 and Scholarship,

00:14:51.920 as well as the Frontier Centre for Public Policy.

00:14:54.780 And according to the Canadian Archaeological Association,

00:14:57.920 it is not possible to identify grave locations

00:15:00.580 or the absence of graves

00:15:02.100 with 100% certainty using remote sensing.

00:15:05.240 They also say that archaeologists

00:15:07.620 will likely assign different levels of confidence

00:15:09.580 to their results

00:15:10.420 in much the same way

00:15:11.580 as a weather forecaster

00:15:12.680 predicts the likelihood of the rain.

00:15:15.220 Now, all this isn't to downplay or diminish.

00:15:17.500 The experiences were,

00:15:18.780 which from all accounts were pretty horrific

00:15:21.040 for First Nations individuals

00:15:22.580 who did attend these residential schools.

00:15:24.460 It is just to say that we should take some caution

00:15:26.580 when we're talking about the story.

00:15:27.940 We should recognize

00:15:28.840 that it is a very, very heated subject.

00:15:31.920 Many Canadians feel a sense of remorse

00:15:33.560 or they feel ashamed

00:15:34.480 by the way that First Nations peoples

00:15:36.160 were treated in Canada in many instances.

00:15:39.220 And, you know, the feeling that they have

00:15:41.700 is that we want to right this wrong.

00:15:43.920 But by pushing stories

00:15:45.600 that are sensationalized,

00:15:47.740 that are not really based on truth,

00:15:49.560 all it does is raise the temperature

00:15:51.040 and enables the sort of bold,

00:15:53.060 far-left people

00:15:53.760 who just want to, like they said,

00:15:55.260 burn it all down,

00:15:56.400 burn down the churches,

00:15:57.940 erase Canada,

00:15:58.920 destroy our history.

00:15:59.820 We have to be pretty careful

00:16:01.020 and try to stick as closely to the facts.

00:16:03.000 The facts are bad enough as it is.

00:16:04.700 We don't need to exaggerate them

00:16:06.060 to make them worse.

00:16:07.120 And when it comes to the story

00:16:08.300 of the unmarked graves,

00:16:09.620 we should try to stick with the facts

00:16:11.420 and not allow the media

00:16:12.680 and left-wing activists

00:16:14.420 to blow it out of proportion

00:16:15.920 to sensationalize it.

00:16:17.660 Yes, horrible things happened

00:16:18.740 at residential schools.

00:16:20.000 Were they mass-killing fields

00:16:21.380 that we can equate to Nazi Germany?

00:16:23.200 No, they weren't.

00:16:24.180 That's not what they were.

00:16:25.240 That's not what happened.

00:16:25.960 That's not what the stories

00:16:26.920 over the summer

00:16:27.580 of the unmarked graves proved.

00:16:29.520 In fact, we don't even know

00:16:30.620 for certainty

00:16:31.480 what it is that we're talking about.

00:16:33.080 And it's important

00:16:33.800 to stick to the facts

00:16:35.200 and the truth

00:16:35.860 when we are reporting

00:16:36.860 and we're talking about

00:16:37.620 such a sensitive issue.

00:16:39.780 Regardless,

00:16:40.360 it was a very, very bad day

00:16:41.940 for Justin Trudeau,

00:16:42.840 a bad week.

00:16:43.480 He was put in his place.

00:16:44.940 And I think that most Canadians

00:16:46.260 are starting to see through

00:16:47.580 his nonsense

00:16:48.180 to recognize

00:16:48.940 that he likes to virtue signal,

00:16:51.480 but when it comes to

00:16:52.520 putting his money

00:16:53.340 where his mouth is,

00:16:54.220 when it comes to walking the walk,

00:16:55.540 he just isn't there.

00:16:56.620 He doesn't care.

00:16:57.260 He's not authentic

00:16:58.500 and he was rightfully

00:17:00.040 put in his place

00:17:01.000 this week in Canlips.

00:17:02.220 Thanks so much for watching.

00:17:03.000 I'm Candice Malcolm

00:17:03.520 and this is

00:17:04.240 The Candice Malcolm Show.

Juno News - October 21, 2021

Trudeau’s disastrous visit to Tk’emlúps First Nation

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