Juno News - February 20, 2025


Trudeau’s last SCANDAL on his way out the door

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In this episode of The Candice Malcolm Show, host Candice talks with Dr. David Millard Haskell about his new piece, "Invite Canada's Conservatives to Join the United States." He also talks about the gold heist suspects, and why he thinks Canada should join the Trump administration.

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00:00:00 Hi, I'm Candice Malcolm and this is The Candice Malcolm Show. Thank you so much for joining us
00:00:12 today. We have a great episode for you. First, before we get into it all, if you were watching
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00:00:31 if you're listening to this podcast and you are enjoying it, please consider leaving us
00:00:35 a five-star review. Again, it really helps us out. I want to talk about Justin Trudeau.
00:00:40 I want to talk about the gall of this man who announced back in early January that he
00:00:46 was resigning. He said he was resigning. He was stepping down. He wasn't going to lead
00:00:50 us anymore. And now he just won't go away. He inserts himself in the discussion with
00:00:54 President Donald Trump, we know that the reason, at least part of the reason, why Donald Trump is
00:00:59 being so aggressive towards Canada is because he doesn't like our prime minister. He doesn't like
00:01:04 Justin Trudeau. Well, here we are in the final days of Justin Trudeau's time as prime minister.
00:01:08 And what does he do? He announces an unbelievably large infrastructure project, which I promise you
00:01:14 will go insanely over budget if it ever gets completed. We're going to get into all of that.
00:01:19 I also want to talk about an incredible story that was broken by our friends over at True
00:01:25 North, and you can find the story on Juno News, about the gold heist suspects, the people
00:01:30 who are presumed to have carried out that gold heist that happened in Pearson Airport.
00:01:35 They're not only still at large, they're not even in Canada.
00:01:38 There's evidence now that suggests that they're just sort of living large in places like Dubai
00:01:43 and India.
00:01:44 So we're going to talk about all of that.
00:01:46 But to start off the show today, folks, I want to bring in a person who I have tremendous respect for, Professor David Millard Haskell, who's an associate professor at Wilfrid Laurier University.
00:01:57 Prior to being a professor, he was actually in our realm. He was a journalist and he had a successful career working in the media for TVO and several other radio stations and television stations.
00:02:09 And he is also a current senior fellow, research fellow over at the Aristotle Foundation, sorry.
00:02:16 So, David, thank you so much for joining the program today.
00:02:20 It's a pleasure.
00:02:21 So I saw one of the pieces that you had recently written with great interest over in an outlet called the American Conservative.
00:02:30 You have a piece called Invite Canada's Conservatives to Join America.
00:02:36 So I'm going to get you to walk us through this proposal.
00:02:38 Before, just for the audience, let's show a clip of President Trump making an offer about a united North America.
00:02:47 Canada and the United States, that would really be something.
00:02:51 You get rid of that artificially drawn line and you take a look at what that looks like.
00:02:57 And it would also be much better for national security.
00:02:59 Don't forget, we basically protect Canada.
00:03:01 so a lot of canadians see that and hear that and you know feel terrified uh others though i think
00:03:09 that there's a significant percentage i don't know if it's if it's uh 10 or a quarter it's up
00:03:14 to 50 of especially young men uh that that that hear that and say yeah that makes a lot of sense
00:03:19 i think that we might have a better future uh if we're if we're all one one big united country a
00:03:25 very counter to what the elites and legacy media and and and politicians basically of all stripes
00:03:30 it seems. But I found your piece interesting because you kind of get into some of the details
00:03:36 of why Americans might not want Canadians, right? Why they might not want to absorb us. So why don't 0.97
00:03:43 you tell us a little bit about what you wrote? Well, what I do, Candice, is I look at three
00:03:48 options that the Trump administration may want to consider. And the first thing I talk about is that
00:03:54 they probably wouldn't want all of Canada. And I move in that direction saying that if you look
00:04:01 at Canada itself, we lean politically to the left. And if the Trump administration were really trying
00:04:08 to bolster conservatism in the US, the worst thing they could do would be to bring all Canada 0.99
00:04:15 on board. So currently, we're at what, about 41 million people. And if this left-leaning country,
00:04:25 which Canada is, of 41 million people, came in holus bolus into the US, that'd be like the
00:04:30 equivalent of the state of California. So what they'd see is about 45 to 48 new representatives
00:04:38 in the lower house of Congress and then in the Senate, two more there. And it would decidedly
00:04:47 tip the scales toward really radical leftist ideology in the U.S. And Trump wouldn't want
00:04:54 that. I mean, could you imagine they've just secured what we'd call a mega base? They've
00:05:00 really got a mega foundation and it would be upended by absorbing all of Canada. So I kind
00:05:06 of poo-poo that idea. And they must be aware of that, right? They must be. But we also see that
00:05:13 there seems to be a special relationship between Daniel Smith and also President Trump. I mean,
00:05:19 she went down to Mar-a-Lago and she was chatting with him. We don't know what was actually said,
00:05:24 but she's holding her cards very close to the chest. She's not saying anything about
00:05:30 going alone or anything like that. But I make that suggestion in my piece. I say, you know,
00:05:37 from a strategic point of view, Trump might want to consider making an overture to the province
00:05:46 of Alberta. And I look at it like this. First of all, they already do a lot of trading in terms of
00:05:53 natural gas and oil, right? Like 80% of Alberta's natural gas and oil goes to the US anyway.
00:05:59 if Alberta were able to be that 51st state as opposed to all Canada, there'd be some significant
00:06:09 benefits economically there. There'd be no trade barriers there. In addition, people in Alberta,
00:06:17 I mean, even 60, 65% are really solidly conservative. So again, that would benefit
00:06:25 President Trump. He's going to get people in who are already aligned with him ideologically.
00:06:31 From the point of view of people in Alberta, we know that they're dissatisfied
00:06:34 with the arrangement as it applies to equalization payments, for example. I mean,
00:06:41 almost to the tune of a couple billion every year. And most of that goes to provinces. Well,
00:06:47 most of it goes to Quebec, who doesn't even want pipelines, right? It must be so frustrating for
00:06:53 people in Alberta to see the money that is raised from their natural resources primarily
00:07:00 go to a province that is trying to ruin them financially. So, I mean, we know that within
00:07:09 the province already, there's a real separatist center.
00:07:18 Whoops. Did we lose you there, David? You're frozen on my end. Maybe it's me though.
00:07:23 But we will try our best, folks, to get David back on.
00:07:28 You know, what he was talking about kind of reminds me a little bit of what Jordan Peterson said.
00:07:33 Jordan Peterson had a recent piece in the National Post where he basically just says, look, Canada has to offer a better deal to Alberta than what Donald Trump is offering.
00:07:45 because Donald Trump, you know, love him or hate him, he is making an offer to the Canadians that
00:07:53 does appeal to many Canadians. Not all of them, not even a majority. Like I said, it depends on
00:08:00 what poll you're looking at, anywhere between 10% to 15% of the country. But it is interesting
00:08:06 to even just think about like the demographics of the people. I watched a rebel video yesterday
00:08:11 where the journalist was walking around Calgary
00:08:14 asking people what they thought about it.
00:08:16 And downtown Calgary, I think he was on Stevens Avenue.
00:08:18 It seemed like almost everyone he was talking to
00:08:20 was for the idea.
00:08:22 Interesting, I was talking to some family friends
00:08:25 in the GTA, talking to people
00:08:27 who are first-generation Canadians, immigrants.
00:08:31 And they basically said everyone in their social circle
00:08:33 likes the idea.
00:08:35 They think, why not?
00:08:36 Why not join the Americans?
00:08:37 They are a more prosperous country,
00:08:39 richer country, lower taxes.
00:08:41 If you take patriotism and love of country out of the equation and you just look at it in terms of what's the best for like my finances and my family, it's hard to argue that Canada might not be better off with this offer.
00:08:56 And particularly Alberta, because as David was saying there, they haven't been treated very fairly, very nicely in this confederation, in our Canadian union.
00:09:08 The idea that they get taxed and the equalization system means that money from Alberta, excess money, gets sent to other parts of the country, poor parts of the country, places like Quebec and the Maritimes, where they don't have the same attitude towards resource development, towards pro-capitalism.
00:09:24 They lean more towards big government and socialism.
00:09:27 So they get to waste the money and spend them on big projects and big government.
00:09:31 And Alberta is the one paying the bill.
00:09:33 So it's such an interesting topic of conversation.
00:09:37 And we're still working to see if we can get David back on the line.
00:09:42 But I want to talk a little bit about, you know, just when it comes to Canada-U.S. relations.
00:09:51 At a, the ambassador, the Canadian ambassador said that Canada's making progress.
00:09:59 So in an interview with CBC's Power in Politics, the Canadian ambassador to the U.S., woman named Kristen Hillman,
00:10:05 said that the president, U.S. president, is pleased with Canada's progress,
00:10:10 pleased with the things that Justin Trudeau has done to try to protect the border,
00:10:14 to try to crack down on fentanyl, maybe appointing that fentanyl czar
00:10:17 was a step in the right direction.
00:10:19 So here is a clip from Wednesday.
00:10:21 The president was pleased with the announcements we made,
00:10:26 but not only the announcements, the progress that we are making
00:10:29 in the fight against fentanyl, in the fight against irregular migration,
00:10:33 illegal migration. For example, illegal migration from Canada to the United States is down 90%
00:10:39 in recent months. And we have taken important measures with respect to the fight against
00:10:44 fentanyl. And that's not all she said. She also added that everybody that she is talking to in
00:10:51 Washington believes that Trump's March 4th deadline for the 25% tariffs on Canada is tied
00:10:58 to this effort. And so she believes that they are taking steps in the right direction. Maybe we will
00:11:03 avoid a trade war after all those play that clip.
00:11:06 Everybody that we are talking to are saying that the March 4th deadline
00:11:10 is tied to continued efforts on our part and together with them
00:11:15 to fight in particular the scourge of fentanyl.
00:11:18 So are you getting signals then that we might get it reprieved
00:11:21 because we've had some success already at the border with fentanyl?
00:11:25 So I'm getting signals that the work that we are doing
00:11:29 and the results that we are achieving is well received.
00:11:33 So on the one hand, we have the Trudeau administration, Trudeau government officials,
00:11:38 including the ambassador there, saying we're taking efforts, we're working with the Trump
00:11:42 administration, they're happy with our progress, we're doing the things that they want on the way
00:11:47 to hopefully avoiding a trade war. But then on the other hand, the Trudeau liberals, they just
00:11:52 can't resist, right? They can't help but trying to demonize Donald Trump, trying to undermine him,
00:11:57 using him as a political wedge in Canada. Because in Canada, we all know Trump isn't very popular,
00:12:01 especially in the centre, centrist Canadians, normal Canadians, don't really like his style,
00:12:06 don't like Trump. And so it's a perfect wedge issue for the Liberals. All they have to do
00:12:10 is compare Conservatives in Canada to Trump, and it'll sufficiently scare centrist voters enough
00:12:16 to want to abandon the Conservatives. So, you know, despite all the progress that they're
00:12:20 supposedly making in negotiating, the Liberals released an attack ad framing Pierre Politev
00:12:27 in negative light and comparing him to Donald Trump. Let's play that clip.
00:12:31 everything is broken everything is broken
00:12:37 fake news fake news the left-wing censorship regime their woke censorship ideology defeating
00:12:46 the radical left radical leftist authoritarian we want those great canadian truckers to know that
00:12:52 we are with them all the way i'm proud of the truckers and i stand with them have turned our
00:12:57 once great cities into cesspools of bloodshed and crime unleashed a crime wave like we have never
00:13:03 seen so they can't help it they want to demonize trump even at a moment when they're trying to
00:13:15 negotiate with him this is a problem in canada right it's like the there's so much of an incentive
00:13:20 for the liberals to have a trade war the more that we're involved in a trade war the more that
00:13:24 they're telling the sort of center and normal Canadians to wrap themselves in the flag,
00:13:28 be proud of Canadian, buy Canadian. Anti-Americanism is on the rise. That sentiment is actually good 0.97
00:13:33 politically for the liberals. So it seems like they would almost rather sacrifice the country
00:13:38 and have a trade war rather than have mutual prosperity for all, but have a potential
00:13:44 conservative government back. I think we have David Haskell back on the line. And if we do,
00:13:50 can continue that conversation uh david are you with us can you hear me yes i can fantastic we
00:13:57 had to go by phone i think that uh we've just seen candace that um somebody doesn't want this 1.00
00:14:03 conversation to happen i think that uh it's it could be uh trudeau trying to tamper with some
00:14:09 of this stuff uh i wouldn't have pardon i said i wouldn't put it past them uh we know that they love
00:14:17 censorship and actually i covered this on the show yesterday uh watching the sort of censorship
00:14:21 regime that's happening in europe right the way that they crack down on i mean there's a 60 minutes
00:14:27 piece highlighting this idea that there's a police force in germany that goes and raids your house
00:14:33 and takes away your laptop and your phone if you post things that they deem to be insulting racist
00:14:37 online it seemed like uh maybe a possible preview i'm sure that justin trudeau and his liberals
00:14:42 would love to have powers like that. But let's go back to your piece, David, because when you're
00:14:50 off the line, I said, you know, Jordan Peterson had a piece in the National Post saying that
00:14:56 Canada has to offer something better for Alberta, because what Trump is offering could be appealing
00:15:01 to a lot of Albertans. And maybe it's time that Canada realizes that wakes up and says,
00:15:06 wow, we're really taking advantage of a certain part of the country. What did you think of that?
00:15:10 Yeah, well, I was in agreement with Jordan on that. One of the things that hasn't come up,
00:15:17 and this is very Machiavellian, but I mean, all politics is Machiavellian. One of the things that
00:15:22 I've wondered about is, why would the people surrounding Daniel Smith not say,
00:15:29 shouldn't we at least pretend that we're interested in this offer from Trump? Or shouldn't
00:15:36 we do a little bit of back channel to see what might be out there? And the reason I say that is
00:15:41 we know from history since the 1960s, the province of Quebec, the government of Quebec,
00:15:48 has been able to wrestle incredible additional rights and privileges from the Canadian Federation
00:15:55 simply by saber-rattling related to separation. And so I get it, and I think it's noble and
00:16:04 honorable that alberta has not really gone that route but you know if you've got the world
00:16:10 superpower on one knee holding a ring maybe you can get a pretty nice proposal from the other suitor
00:16:20 so i just and again this is machiavellian of course but uh all politics is and i wonder
00:16:27 why the alberta government hasn't at least or maybe they are maybe they are they really should
00:16:32 i think examine their options and i only say this listen i'm not from alberta uh i'm an ontario guy
00:16:38 and so i'm looking at this strictly from a political strategic point of view there are
00:16:45 immense benefits that could come to alberta were it to become the 51st state and and i mean even
00:16:54 even trump has mentioned that it'd be about a 60 reduction in taxes off the top uh they'd also
00:17:02 not have to do equalization payments in the united states the way that the the states
00:17:09 divvy things up it's a much smaller pot there is a sort of a collective pot that comes from
00:17:16 state to state that they try to uh equal out the disadvantages in other states that are
00:17:21 more poor like um alabama missouri but it's nothing nothing like we have in the equalization
00:17:28 payments and those equalization payments really there's no motivation we've we've haven't heard
00:17:35 any kind of motivation from any of the party leaders at the top well whether it's polyev
00:17:41 or trudeau to ever adjust these things so it seems like same old same old for people in alberta so
00:17:47 again uh there are some things that uh i'm interested in are they happening in in terms
00:17:52 of back channel with alberta certainly there are avenues to explore there we were talking earlier
00:17:59 i said that all canada probably it'd be a bad idea for trump to absorb all canada in my piece
00:18:07 invite conservatives to become americans that that appears in the american conservative magazine
00:18:13 the second thing i talked about was alberta maybe we want to talk about that third option
00:18:18 that I also mentioned in the piece.
00:18:21 We haven't gone there yet, if that's all right with you, Candace.
00:18:23 Well, before we do, I want to just raise this concern
00:18:27 because I think when Donald Trump first mentioned the 51st state,
00:18:30 I'm thoroughly convinced it was a joke.
00:18:33 He was talking about how Wayne Gretzky should be the governor
00:18:35 and basically kind of trying to troll our prime minister.
00:18:39 You could tell that they have a tense relationship, let's put it that way.
00:18:44 And then it seemed like the more that he said it out loud
00:18:47 and the more reaction he got, he kind of lead into it.
00:18:50 Like, I don't know that he's literal.
00:18:51 I don't know that he is.
00:18:53 I think that he's serious about having a better deal.
00:18:55 He doesn't understand why Canada doesn't have a proper military,
00:18:59 why, you know, there's so much protection that happens
00:19:02 from the American perspective.
00:19:03 For me, it makes sense because, you know,
00:19:05 why would we rebuild our own military when they have one right there?
00:19:09 We should probably work more closely with them.
00:19:11 We should follow their guidance in terms of securing our border
00:19:15 and fixing our broken immigration system and cracking down.
00:19:17 But I didn't think that he was literal because of some of the questions that you raise.
00:19:22 Like, I don't think that any right-minded Republican president would want to invite 40 million potentially left-wing Democrats into the country.
00:19:31 I don't think that they would want to have two more Democratic senators, which Canada would pretty much always have.
00:19:36 And so, you know, when you get into the kind of like real nitty gritty of it, a political union, it doesn't make sense for the Americans.
00:19:42 I think that Canadians are too, you know, well, our entire country was built on the idea that we're not Americans, that we wanted to stop, you know, we wanted to remain loyal to the crown and not participate in the revolution.
00:19:55 So it seems like, you know, it seems like a hard fit to make this a political union.
00:20:00 And so I think the pieces, the issues that you raise in your piece are correct.
00:20:05 But then that leads to the question for you, David, do you think Trump is literal?
00:20:08 Do you think that he literally wants to absorb Canada, invade or, you know, create this union in a literal way?
00:20:16 No, no, no. And you've hit all the main points that I would raise, Candace.
00:20:19 Definitely, he did start out and he was trolling. He was joking around.
00:20:24 But I think that it caught some wind in that sale.
00:20:30 And he thought, wait a minute, there's some there's some.
00:20:34 okay he said i don't want to buy the farm but i wouldn't mind rustling a few of the cattle
00:20:39 and in his art of the deal i mean this is a guy who who wrote a book all about negotiation
00:20:45 and he he basically says say crazy things at the start and see it's sort of like shake the
00:20:54 tree and see which apples drop and so he was probably looking for the reaction he's gotten
00:20:59 some reaction. And that's his negotiation strategy. And we did see him move back a little
00:21:06 bit when he instituted the tariffs in February. And then he said, well, you know, I've seen some
00:21:12 action on your border that you're trying to secure your border. You're trying to take care of the
00:21:17 fentanyl problem. And so he said, let's move that deadline. So we know that he is looking for some
00:21:23 very specific things as well but to your point yeah he is he's testing the waters he's putting
00:21:31 something up the flagpole see who salutes he's he's really he i don't think he had a great game
00:21:37 plan but then we look at his speech that he gave in january his inauguration speech he made a point
00:21:45 of saying, we are going to expand as a nation. Now, would that have been in there if there hadn't
00:21:53 been some kind of buzz happening around his 51st state comments, behind, around his Panama comments,
00:22:03 around his Greenland comments? And he was getting some positive feedback on Greenland. Politically
00:22:11 in the U.S., his comments about Panama were well-received. In Canada, we didn't receive his
00:22:17 idea of the 51st state generally as well, but there were probably people around him saying,
00:22:22 you know, see what happens, see what apples fall. But all this is to say that in his inauguration
00:22:30 address, he actually makes a point of saying, we are an expanding nation again. So that to me
00:22:39 signals something. Yeah, I tend to agree. I think that, well, I think it's pretty obvious that
00:22:46 Justin Trudeau has done tremendous damage to our country and not just our country, like our society,
00:22:51 our culture. It feels fractured. It doesn't feel like we're bound by unity or a shared sense of
00:22:57 belief in our country. You know, everything from the economics to the immigration to national
00:23:03 unity. Like, I don't think that, you know, there's a flaring Quebec separatist movement in the Alberta
00:23:08 or Western separatist movement
00:23:10 has just gotten stronger over the last 10 years.
00:23:12 Like our country's broken.
00:23:13 We can't build a pipeline.
00:23:14 We can't build infrastructure projects.
00:23:17 Trudeau on his way out the door
00:23:18 is promising a multi-billion dollar train,
00:23:21 which I predict will never get built.
00:23:23 But now would be the time,
00:23:27 from the outside anyway.
00:23:29 It seems like America is pretty united
00:23:31 around Donald Trump.
00:23:32 They're pretty excited.
00:23:33 He's promising a golden age.
00:23:34 And even people in tech in the Silicon Valley
00:23:38 who are notoriously left-wing and democrat you know even a fraction of those people are excited
00:23:43 you see people across the country kind of leaning into their excitement over this fresh start that
00:23:49 they're having in the united states um and then meanwhile in canada we have this like sad broken
00:23:53 system where we're about to have a prime minister basically installed from the world economic forum
00:23:59 um to be like trustee here and uh you know now would be the time um and and i do think that
00:24:06 outside of the political whoops outside of the political bubble of like everyone in all the
00:24:12 parties kind of agrees that you have to double down on canada canada canada um if you talk to
00:24:17 like normal people and and i mentioned this um you know people who are hyper political i think the
00:24:24 idea of joining the us might actually seem appealing because they are you know lower taxes
00:24:30 for your economy more choice more you know options in terms of where to live and you know
00:24:36 everything from like cell phone companies to airlines like there's just a lot more choice
00:24:41 in the united states so it's like what are we holding on to um and and particularly i worry
00:24:46 about new canadians people who have you know first generation who who haven't grown up being canadian
00:24:50 or don't have a canadian bloodline um that they that they have even less of an attachment to this
00:24:55 country right well you you've mentioned something that's i think pretty important uh and and it's
00:25:01 the reasons what are the reasons that uh someone would favor canada you know what is it that
00:25:11 we talk uh paulia has been talking about canada being broken so i think that that there's something
00:25:17 in that that canada is broken but there's a a part of it that can't be fixed and i think that
00:25:22 there are people normal people you call them normal people who are looking at the things that
00:25:28 can't be fixed in canada and then they're saying maybe given that it can't be fixed maybe we do
00:25:34 have to look at this other option and so the thing that can't be fixed is our constitution
00:25:40 and i mentioned this in my piece i say that uh people particularly those what we'll call
00:25:47 the hardcore conservatives who have been in the freedom movement so those people are the people
00:25:52 who were objecting to the COVID mandates. These are the people who are appearing before their
00:25:58 school boards and are talking about radical gender ideology. These are the people who are
00:26:04 doing public protests related to any number of radical leftist ideologies. So they've got skin
00:26:12 in the game, right? We'll call them the freedom movement. Well, those people have noticed that
00:26:16 our constitution doesn't support them. Our constitution is broken. So our constitution,
00:26:21 Part one of our Constitution is our Charter of Rights and Freedoms. A lot of people don't
00:26:26 understand that our Constitution is two parts. It was adapted or adopted in 1982. And the first part
00:26:33 is the Charter. And the Charter says what your rights are supposed to be and how they're supposed
00:26:38 to be given to you. Well, our Charter is rigged. I say rigged, meaning it is against freedom.
00:26:48 uh it is for identity politics and is actually against the promotion of western culture and it's
00:26:56 and it's written right into it and and if you are someone in the freedom movement if you are a true
00:27:03 conservative who has skin in the game and you've been speaking out against these things you've seen
00:27:08 that you've seen that the very rules of the game the things that actually uh the the rule book the
00:27:15 guidebook for our country is written in such a way that you cannot win. And I'll get very specific
00:27:22 about this. So section one of our charter says, well, section two, first of all, section two gives
00:27:29 you the rights. It says you have the right to freedom of religion. You have the right to assembly,
00:27:34 the right to freedom of expression. That all sounds really good. But section one of our charter
00:27:41 says that every one of those rights can be taken away if it's justified in a free and democratic
00:27:48 society. And you think, okay, well, as long as it's justified in a free and democratic society,
00:27:57 well, what we've seen is that most of our judges have been appointed by the liberals.
00:28:04 And those liberal judges have suggested that what's justified, it sure looks more like it
00:28:11 would be justified in a communist country than a democratic country. And I can give you some
00:28:16 examples. We could look at, during the COVID mandates, big box stores, Walmart was allowed
00:28:23 to be open. Home Depot was allowed to be opened. But conservative Christian churches who wanted
00:28:29 to stay open, when they went to court, they were told, sorry, your right to freedom of assembly,
00:28:35 your right to freedom of religion, it has no standing. Because we judges are saying that in 0.99
00:28:42 a free and democratic society, the quashing of your rights is justified. We could go a little
00:28:47 bit in the past. We could look at the decision for the Trinity Western Law School. So Trinity
00:28:51 Western University is a Christian university. They wanted to launch a law school. But the law
00:28:58 societies of British Columbia and Ontario said, no, that law school will actually make people
00:29:05 unsafe. It will make society unsafe because it's going to insist upon Christian values. They made 1.00
00:29:11 that argument. It went to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court said, we agree with the law societies.
00:29:18 And therefore, the Christians, the conservative Christians at Trinity Western were told,
00:29:23 you can't have a law school. If we go back to really the beginning of when the charter was used
00:29:29 in order to suppress the rights of conservatives, we could look at a case of a Christian printer 0.80
00:29:35 in Toronto, Scott Brockie, who wanted to, sorry, he wanted to refuse a client. He said,
00:29:43 my Christian values do not allow me to print what you want me to print. He even said, you can go
00:29:49 somewhere else. Well, the client took him to court and the court said, sorry, you don't have the
00:29:56 right to your Christian values in your business. And they based it on section five, sorry, section
00:30:03 one of the charter that said, we can pull any of these rights that are shown in section two,
00:30:10 as long as we can justify it in a free and democratic society. So for someone who is a
00:30:16 true conservative, someone with skin in the game, and they're in Canada, they'll look across the
00:30:21 border to the United States where their bill of rights talks about inalienable rights. Their
00:30:27 constitution talks about inalienable rights. And we've seen in case after case, they're actually
00:30:31 upheld right well it's interesting david because i think there's an argument a long argument
00:30:37 um on the conservative side of spectrum of like who has the better system and i think many people
00:30:43 even even conservative canadians at one point argued that canada has i mean canada the reason
00:30:48 that we didn't join the american revolution is because we were too conservative we we didn't
00:30:52 want that kind of change we believed in you know steady stable power and governance and you know
00:30:59 the idea of a monarchy you know we would never design this kind of government from scratch but
00:31:03 we have it and it seems to work in in some way uh i i don't hear conservatives making that argument
00:31:09 i i think you're right that post covid post some of these decisions that have happened it's
00:31:13 impossible to argue that our system upholds freedom um better than the american i think
00:31:17 american system is full of flaws as well but just to bring it back to the piece that you wrote
00:31:22 um i wonder you know if if donald trump were to read this piece and say yeah that's a great idea
00:31:27 Why don't we just invite all of the conservatives or all of the Albertans to join America?
00:31:33 What would be left in Canada?
00:31:34 I mean, I think that it would be a pretty scary place to live if we kind of, you know, the people who were committed to freedom,
00:31:40 the people who were the small business owners and the people with Christian values and family values got up and left.
00:31:47 I would be kind of terrified as to what would be left and what would happen to this country.
00:31:53 I think that you wouldn't see everybody leave.
00:31:56 um and what you're describing is an atlas shrug movement uh atlas shrug moment right um when we
00:32:03 read the book by rand about uh who is john galt and there's this movement where all the people
00:32:09 who are really in this case the libertarians leave society society basically crumbles and i
00:32:14 think you might have something there but of course many of these people who are what i'd call the
00:32:18 true conservatives they'd stay because they're natural born fighters they've been fighting from
00:32:23 the beginning they've got skin in the game they're not going to leave but let's say if some of them
00:32:27 did and the best estimate for the freedom movement of people with skin in the game probably a good
00:32:34 proxy for that is how many people refuse to get vaccinated how many people refuse to get uh wear
00:32:40 masks how many people stood up publicly it's probably about 10 of the population so you're
00:32:46 probably talking about four million people and that's a about the size of oklahoma so you know
00:32:53 not a not a shabby number of people could the united states absorb that very comfortably very
00:33:00 comfortably and and in my piece i suggest to the trump administration if they'll ever read this
00:33:06 piece that what they could do is actually create almost like a refugee visa so they've done it for 0.70
00:33:14 other countries where there's a persecuted class? Well, you could make the case, you could definitely 1.00
00:33:20 make the case that in Canada, those people who are part of the freedom movement, those people who are
00:33:25 truly public in their conservative values are a persecuted minority. I mean, from job loss
00:33:33 to court cases, to any number of public trials that they have to endure,
00:33:39 there is an argument to be made there. And if Trump were to say, okay, let's bring those people
00:33:46 in, definitely, that is a form of expansionism. Now, he was talking about geographic expansion,
00:33:54 but what about demographic expansion? You bring in those people who are already very much aligned
00:34:02 with what we'd say is the conservative movement in the U.S., the hardcore conservative movement
00:34:07 in the U.S. That could be a real benefit. Certainly the people in Canada who would be
00:34:12 willing to take that up, they'd benefit as well from lower taxes and from being in a place where
00:34:19 you're not the odd duck anymore. And by that, even conservatives who are sort of party adherents,
00:34:29 they adhere to a party with conservative in their name. If they're a true conservative,
00:34:33 they don't fit in. I mean, the elites in their party actually disparage them.
00:34:40 They're embarrassed by them. And they certainly don't speak out on the issues that are close to
00:34:45 them. And by that, I mean, look at our conservative leaders. Our most populous province is Ontario.
00:34:52 Doug Ford is the, ostensibly, the head of the conservatives in Ontario. And he doesn't talk
00:34:59 about cultural issues at all. In fact, he abets what we would see as the most radical of leftist
00:35:06 policies in our education system. So we've got that. We've got Paulyev, who I understand. Listen,
00:35:13 strategically, from a strategic point of view, if you're in the lead, you say less. Winning,
00:35:18 say less. I get it. But man, doesn't he realize that the way that you open that Overton window,
00:35:26 The way that you make things permissible for discussion is by discussing them a
00:35:32 Leader leads at some point you actually have to say the things and I talked to
00:35:37 Friends of mine who are deeply embedded in the federal conservatives and they say oh, yeah
00:35:43 Oh, yeah, you should hear what he whispers about and I'm just tired of the whispering. I
00:35:49 I think that
00:35:51 The reason that in Canada, we have so little support for conservative ideas is because our conservative leaders won't talk about them.
00:36:01 And so we find ourselves in this catch-22.
00:36:05 You actually have to begin talking about things.
00:36:08 Things that are relegated to the private sphere will die in the public sphere.
00:36:14 You're right.
00:36:14 You know, I listened to Pierre Polyev's Canada First rally on Saturday night, and we actually did a deep dive on the show yesterday with Barbara Kay.
00:36:24 Barbara Kay really liked the speech, and she walked us through it from her perspective.
00:36:28 And I agree.
00:36:29 I think that if you look at it deeply, you can see a lot of things that would make conservatives happy.
00:36:34 But then, you know, on the surface, what you're really seeing is I can be the liberals more than the liberals.
00:36:41 Look, I love the flag.
00:36:42 I love Canada.
00:36:43 I'm going to defend it.
00:36:44 like like kind of almost copying what they're focused on right instead of instead of the
00:36:48 election being focused on how broken canada is from justin trudeau it's now focused on um who
00:36:55 who can be the better negotiator with trump who can stand up against tariffs better and it is it's
00:37:01 kind of like playing on their turf and it's it's unfortunate um that he does that but i think well
00:37:06 to be honest david that's the reason why we started juno news is the reason i started true north
00:37:10 because i lost faith in our politicians to lead the way i think that you know in a large part if
00:37:16 you look at what's happening in the united states with the resurgence of a conservative movement
00:37:21 it's not just donald trump right donald trump is at the front but there's an entire ecosystem
00:37:25 everything from you know charlie kirk turning point getting young gen z uh conservatives out
00:37:32 in numbers you know the daily wire a huge successful media company tucker carlson megan
00:37:36 Kelly all of these voices out there pushing the message like it can't we can't we can't just rely
00:37:41 on a political leader to do it because at the end of the day they're going to do what they need to
00:37:44 do to get elected um we need kind of all hands on deck and as many people and voices as we can so
00:37:50 um with that I'm going to thank you for uh joining us and hopefully we'll have you uh on the show
00:37:55 back because it's great to have a conversation with you yeah it was great to be with you Candace
00:37:59 and apologies for I don't I have no idea what happened technically here but uh I'm grateful
00:38:05 that I was able to get back and I've enjoyed our conversation okay all right we'll have you back
00:38:09 again soon thank you so much that's David Haskell a professor and wow uh go check out his piece in
00:38:14 the American conservative because uh you know sometimes I wonder if there's any uh conservative
00:38:20 thinkers uh Christian people left in Canadian academic halls and so it's refreshing and nice
00:38:25 to find some and and hear and know that they're you know part of the people that are um influencing
00:38:31 the younger generation. Okay, folks, I want to get to this announcement yesterday, because this
00:38:37 is just so typical of liberals. They love announcing gigantic, aspirational, big goals
00:38:45 that, you know, usually they just don't get anywhere. But Justin Trudeau, on his way out
00:38:49 the door, you know, we're counting down the days until he will finally leave, finally leave us
00:38:55 alone. I mean, I don't know that the next thing we're going to get after Justin Trudeau is any
00:38:59 better. It looks like Mark Carney is going to be installed and probably go down the same path. But
00:39:03 yesterday in Montreal, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announces a six-year $3.9 billion plan
00:39:10 officially named Alto to build a high-speed rail line connecting Quebec City to Toronto. So here
00:39:18 is what that looked like. Today I'm announcing the launch of Alto, the largest infrastructure
00:39:24 project in Canadian history. A high-speed rail network between Quebec City and Toronto
00:39:30 with stops in Trois-Hijères, Laval, Montreal, Ottawa, and Peterborough. It'll span a thousand
00:39:37 kilometers with 100% electric trains that will reach speeds of 300 kilometers an hour.
00:39:44 Sorry, in what world do you announce that you're resigning and then like two days before you leave
00:39:49 you announced the largest infrastructure program in Canadian history. What gives you the power to
00:39:56 do that? I get that you're Prime Minister. You're on your way out. Nobody wants you. You were
00:40:00 absolutely at the bottom of the polls, the lowest you've ever been. I think you had 16%
00:40:04 of Canadians willing to stand behind you. And here you are announcing a huge project. These
00:40:10 are the kind of things you announced at the beginning of your tenure so that you can get
00:40:13 them done. Justin Trudeau, so typical, announces it at the very end. So here he is saying that
00:40:17 Alto will be a pan-Canadian endeavor that will supercharge the entire economy.
00:40:22 Don't you love their opinion of pan-Canadian?
00:40:24 Pan-Canadian, from Justin Trudeau's perspective, is Quebec City all the way west to Toronto.
00:40:31 So sorry, rest of Canada.
00:40:32 Canada ends at Toronto.
00:40:34 Here's Justin Trudeau saying that.
00:40:36 Alto will be a truly pan-Canadian endeavor using expertise and resources from coast to coast to coast.
00:40:44 It will turbocharge our entire economy, create tens of thousands of good-paying jobs, and open new opportunities for Canadian businesses at every link of our supply chain.
00:40:57 Again, pan-Canadian all the way from Toronto to Quebec City.
00:41:01 So here is what the train would look like.
00:41:04 Here's a map.
00:41:05 It would go from Toronto to Peterborough to Ottawa to Montreal to Lavois, Trois-Maviers, and finish in Quebec City.
00:41:11 So this is pan-Canadian folks from Justin Trudeau's perspective.
00:41:15 That's the whole country.
00:41:17 I want to play this clip because this is so telling.
00:41:20 So I'm going to play a clip of a Q&A that Justin Trudeau faced at the end of this announcement.
00:41:25 You can hear a French reporter, I believe with Radio Canada, CBC French, asking Prime
00:41:30 Minister Justin Trudeau how he will ensure that future governments won't just cancel
00:41:35 this, right?
00:41:35 Because the idea is like he's literally on his way out the door.
00:41:38 his time as Prime Minister is over so he can announce this all he wants, it's really up to
00:41:42 the next person whether or not they actually want to spend this money. Hello, we're bankrupt. We
00:41:46 don't have any money. We are completely over budget. Everyone who is running to replace
00:41:50 Justin Trudeau is talking about cutting the government, cutting the budget. Even Mark Carney
00:41:54 is out there at least saying that he's going to try to balance the budget. You have to cut to do
00:41:59 that because Justin Trudeau has basically doubled Canada's spending. So where are you going to get
00:42:03 this money? Those aren't the questions that the mainstream media is asking. The mainstream media
00:42:06 is asking oh prime minister Justin Trudeau how will you use the system to make sure that your
00:42:13 plan remains in power even though you will no longer be prime minister let's play that clip
00:42:20 do we have that clip Sean will there be any guarantees to make sure that if there's a
00:42:25 successor well you will have a successor if there's a next government let's say the conservatives
00:42:30 won't be able or it won't be easy for them to to stop the project
00:42:36 listen this is this high-speed rail in this country
00:42:40 was always going to be a project that would
00:42:44 would be take long enough to build that it would cover multiple governments
00:42:50 at all different orders of government from municipal
00:42:53 to provincial to federal and it takes a will and a determination by a
00:42:58 government to move forward and lock in this progress yeah so that's called a dictatorship
00:43:05 folks so the the the journalist is teeing it up saying how will you guarantee that this happens
00:43:09 justin trudeau says they're going to put contracts in place make sure things are signed so that a
00:43:14 future government can't get out of it yeah that's not how it's supposed to work a future government
00:43:19 has authority to stop spending money on wasteful projects if they see fit justin trudeau doing
00:43:26 everything they can you know this reminds me of the high speed high speed rail project in
00:43:31 california because this is what i predict will happen i mean it's already happened folks look
00:43:35 uh it's been like 20 years since they promised to build a cross town lrt train line in toronto
00:43:41 the eglinton line that thing has been under construction for over a decade it's nowhere
00:43:46 near being complete they can't even build a train an lrt across toronto and yet we're supposed to
00:43:52 believe that they're going to build one all the way up to Quebec City. So in California,
00:43:56 it's the exact same thing that's happening. So back in 2008, California announced and agreed
00:44:01 there was the voters approved to a measure that would put $10 billion towards a high-speed rail
00:44:08 project. It was supposed to go from Los Angeles to San Francisco. It was supposed to be complete
00:44:13 by 2020. The estimated price tag was about $28 billion up to $35 billion. So just keep in mind,
00:44:19 Justin Trudeau says that his plan to build a thousand kilometers of track will cost us four
00:44:25 billion. Even back in 2008, California, you know, their train line is only 350 miles. They said it
00:44:31 would cost about 35 billion, so 10x more than what Justin Trudeau says. And here we are in 2025,
00:44:37 five years after the California train was supposed to be completed, and it's nowhere close to being
00:44:42 completed. It's nowhere close to being completed. They basically abandoned the idea of doing it,
00:44:46 and they've already spent listen to this 128 billion dollars in california and they don't
00:44:52 have the train line they don't have a train line uh here's a little explainer clip talking about
00:44:56 what's happened in california november 4th 2008 the people of california voted to fund this
00:45:03 a high-speed rail line many countries around the world have had high-speed trains for decades
00:45:09 and this would be the u.s's attempt to finally catch up the train would whisk passengers from
00:45:14 la to san francisco in under three hours and it was all set to open in 2020. today it's 2022 and
00:45:21 california's high-speed rail project is famous for being a disaster will be the most expensive
00:45:27 project in state history a train that's going to nowhere going to nowhere all that's there today
00:45:31 is this one section still under construction from bakersfield to merced so rather than connecting
00:45:38 two major cities it just connects two small towns along the way they've spent 128 billion dollars
00:45:43 and now even Democrats, even Gavin Newsom is suggesting that he's going to abandon
00:45:47 this absolute train wreck, pardon the pun, of a project. And here we have Justin Trudeau just
00:45:52 doing the exact same thing out the door. It's so typical of liberals. They love these big projects.
00:45:58 They have no idea how to fund them. They have no idea how to carry them out.
00:46:01 All they really care about is that the contracts go to their friends and that they get some kind
00:46:05 of legacy. No, Justin Trudeau, Canadians don't want this. We need to just completely ignore this
00:46:12 because I don't think it will ever happen. Okay, folks, I'm going to move on. I want to talk about
00:46:17 the story that we broke over at Juno News. This is our friends at True North, Alex Sultan, who was
00:46:21 a guest on the program on Monday. He broke the story that suspects in Canada's largest gold
00:46:26 heist are believed to be living freely in India and Dubai. So nearly two years after a $20 million
00:46:33 gold heist was pulled off at Toronto Pearson's airport, the suspects still remain at large.
00:46:41 So recently, CBC's Fifth Estate attempted to track down some of the people who were involved and basically found that they have warrants out for their arrest, but they're not in Canada anymore.
00:46:52 They're living in Dubai. Other suspects remain in Canada but on bail with no trial dates.
00:46:58 There's one person that they caught, and they are in the U.S., in U.S. custody, facing charges.
00:47:05 There is a total of nine suspects. We have a picture of them here.
00:47:08 these are the suspects who were charged in the spring of 2024. So you basically have a bunch
00:47:15 of people who look like they're from the Middle East and India, not sure if any of them are
00:47:20 Canadian citizens or not, but it turns out that a lot of them are just living large and living 0.71
00:47:26 their lives in other parts of the world. You know, Canada, when it comes to our jail system,
00:47:35 or police system. It's a total joke. It's a total joke, a revolving door system. This is one thing
00:47:40 that I hope Pierre Polyev is serious about if he becomes prime minister, cracking down, issuing
00:47:45 mandatory minimums, putting people in prison who are repeat offenders, and deporting people who
00:47:51 commit crimes who are not Canadians. Okay, folks, I'm going to leave it at that. Thank you so much 1.00
00:47:55 for joining us. We have a very exciting special show for you tomorrow. I'm looking forward to
00:48:01 that. And we'll be back again tomorrow with all the news. Thank you so much. I'm Candace Malcolm.
00:48:05 And this is The Candace Malcolm Show.
00:48:06 Thank you and God bless.