Juno News - Trudeau’s pattern of incompetence

00:00:00.000 Hi there, everybody, and welcome to the Rupa Subramanya show. I am Rupa Subramanya. Today

00:00:22.000 we explore a series of events that have put our Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, once again

00:00:27.960 at the center of controversy. It's a story of apologies, accusations, and a diplomatic

00:00:34.020 feud that has far-reaching implications. Now, first let's start with this jaw-dropping moment

00:00:39.740 last week that everyone's talking about. In honor of President Zelensky's visit to the

00:00:45.000 House of Commons, on the eve of Yom Kippur, Yaroslav Hanke, a Ukrainian war veteran, was

00:00:51.820 invited to the House of Commons and received a standing ovation. The problem is, he's a

00:00:57.720 former member of the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS, a unit that fought on behalf of

00:01:03.900 the Nazis during World War II. Yes, you heard that right. A former member of the SS received

00:01:10.040 a standing ovation in the House of Commons as the Speaker of the House, Antony Rhoda, praised

00:01:16.960 him as a Ukrainian and Canadian war hero who fought against the Russians during World War

00:01:22.320 II. You can't make this stuff up, and you only have to wonder how such a person found themselves

00:01:27.600 in the halls of Parliament. Trudeau initially brushed off the incident, as he usually is

00:01:32.540 known to do. He first deflected to Russian disinformation and propaganda, except this wasn't

00:01:37.700 Russian disinformation and propaganda. Yaroslav Hanke, who was invited to the House of Commons

00:01:43.720 and received a standing ovation, in fact did fight for the Nazis as a volunteer. Eventually,

00:01:50.560 under public pressure and a growing backlash, he apologized for inviting him to the House of

00:01:55.460 Commons. However, he stopped short of offering a personal apology. Instead apologizing on behalf

00:02:01.440 of Canadians, as though we had something to do with this invite, he apologized on behalf

00:02:06.360 of Parliament, even though the buck stops with the Prime Minister, not with Parliament, and

00:02:12.260 Parliament is not a person. And he deflected the blame to the Speaker of the House, Antony Rhoda,

00:02:17.680 who subsequently resigned over the controversy. Now, Conservative leader Pierre Polly Everett demanded

00:02:23.320 that Trudeau take full responsibility for the scandal, criticizing him for hiding out in his cottage

00:02:29.020 instead of facing this issue head-on. As if this wasn't enough, earlier in the week, a few days before

00:02:35.540 Nazi-gate, Trudeau makes explosive allegations against the world's largest democracy, India,

00:02:41.480 claiming that Canada was in possession of credible intelligence, that agents of the government of India

00:02:47.220 were behind the June killing of well-known Khalistani separatist, Hardeep Singh Nijer,

00:02:52.920 who was a wanted man in India on terrorism and other criminal charges. India has denied these

00:02:59.140 allegations and has been united in its reaction to Trudeau's allegations. The widely shared view in

00:03:04.840 India is that Trudeau did this for political reasons, both to placate C-Canadian voters and not lose

00:03:11.600 them to Jagmeet Singh and the NDP, and also as a way to change the conversation when he and the

00:03:17.000 Liberals have been tanking in the polls in recent months. The fallout has led to the expulsion of

00:03:21.660 diplomats, travel advisories, and India taking the unfortunate and unprecedented step of stopping

00:03:27.780 visas for all Canadian citizens. To make sense of all of this is my guest today, Antony Koch. He's a

00:03:34.580 seasoned political strategist and commentator known for calling it as he sees it. He gained prominence

00:03:41.000 as Pierre Paulyevre's spokesperson during the leadership race, and he's now a public affairs

00:03:46.780 consultant and political analyst based out of Montreal, but remains an influential figure in

00:03:52.140 conservative circles. Antony, welcome to the show. It's a great honour to have you here. Let's first start

00:03:59.880 with the controversy that everybody's talking about, the controversy surrounding Yaroslav Hanka,

00:04:06.740 a former member of the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS, receiving, well, first of all,

00:04:13.920 being invited to the House of Commons, and then on top of that, receiving a standing ovation as a

00:04:19.720 Speaker of the House, praises him as a Canadian and Ukrainian war hero who fought against the Russians

00:04:25.520 in World War II. What are your thoughts on how this individual ended up being invited in Parliament?

00:04:34.560 Well, first, thanks for having me. But yeah, like, this is fascinating, because what the Liberals have

00:04:40.040 effectively done is they've argued the letter of the law on protocol, right? So technically,

00:04:45.120 they're not incorrect. In the context of your standard run-of-the-mill House of Commons exchange,

00:04:51.260 MPs and the Speaker of the House have the discretion to invite a constituent to attend in the press

00:04:55.200 gallery, or not the press gallery, but in the gallery to watch the sort of proceedings. But as anybody who

00:04:59.520 spent more than five minutes around active politics knows, when you've got one of these one-off unicorn

00:05:05.400 style events, for example, the head of state of a foreign country, which also happens to be engaged

00:05:11.940 in an ongoing conflict, addressing the House of Commons in person, the usual structure of these

00:05:19.240 things is not the one that's actually followed. These are highly scripted events. And I'm not saying

00:05:23.660 that in a deceptive or negative way. But I'm saying, you know, obviously, these things have

00:05:28.220 to be scripted to a certain point, because if they're not, you might end up with a situation

00:05:32.140 where you accidentally invite a Nazi to be given a standing ovation by unknowing bystanders and

00:05:39.800 parliamentarians. That's the thing that I find quite fascinating. You know, having worked on the

00:05:43.480 other side of this, on the conservative side of things, etc., an event of this magnitude, okay?

00:05:48.280 Even, I'll just give you an example. You know, the last Conservative Party convention,

00:05:51.760 there's a lot of people who gave speeches, and a lot of them contribute in their own way. But,

00:05:55.340 you know, people read the speeches before they're given to make sure one's not going to go up on

00:06:00.060 stage and say something absolutely ludicrous, or, you know, there's a certain message track that you

00:06:03.860 want to follow. So, it is absolutely shocking to me, and this is what I'll say, that Anthony Rota,

00:06:10.480 the speech that he gave, was not written over or read over, you know, even if the invite wasn't

00:06:16.200 pre-screened. If it gets to the point of it being included in his speech, because you could see he was

00:06:20.440 reading from a text, okay? And it was actually funny, because as he says, fought against the

00:06:25.280 Russian, there's almost like a brief pause where he's like, well, wait a second, that sounds kind

00:06:29.340 of funny, okay? But the fact that that wasn't read over by at least three or four different stop

00:06:34.800 gaps to make sure, it leads to me to one of two things. The Prime Minister's office failed here

00:06:39.740 in one of two ways. One, they either actually did vet, just very poorly, and didn't realize who

00:06:45.980 or two, they didn't at all. So, it's either they did their jobs poorly, or they just simply refused

00:06:51.740 to do them. But no, this is absolutely ludicrous, this suggestion that, you know, Anthony Rota

00:06:57.540 definitely had a role to play here, and I think it's appropriate that he resigned. But the fact

00:07:01.440 that the Prime Minister is completely washing his office's hand of this, and then goes on to do his

00:07:06.260 classic, like I said, right, where he gives the collective apology on behalf of Parliament,

00:07:10.640 because he can never actually just give a personal apology on behalf of himself, is quite something.

00:07:16.900 Yeah, yeah, let's go back to Trudeau, Trudeau's handling of the situation, and Anthony Rota's

00:07:23.500 resignation. You know, how could Justin Trudeau, how could the Prime Minister have handled this better?

00:07:31.280 One, I think, first of all, the fact that Anthony Rota took so long to resign,

00:07:35.200 right away, all that did was drag out the story. And second of all, the fact that he, like, again,

00:07:40.640 even though an apology did come, it came several days later, and again, in a way that I think most

00:07:47.200 people will rightly recognize, unless you're a dyed-in-the-wool partisan liberal, was thoroughly

00:07:50.840 inappropriate, right? At the end of the day, leaders lead, and leaders take responsibility when things

00:07:54.660 go wrong. The buck stops with you, and instead, we didn't get that, and everybody and their mother

00:07:59.820 was coming out in the liberal land trying to justify this, explain how it wasn't the Prime Minister's

00:08:04.020 fault, or even see, like, this is what I find funny, these are people, okay, in large part,

00:08:08.500 who branded Canadians, who had never so much as heard a fly in their life, who came down as part

00:08:14.180 of the Freedom Convoy during COVID, branded them, had no issues calling them every single horrible

00:08:19.440 name in the book that you can imagine, including Nazi, okay? And now we actually had somebody who

00:08:24.780 served as a volunteer in the Waffen-SS during World War II, and swore a personal oath to Adolf Hitler,

00:08:31.280 and there were, you know, liberal Twitter was awash with people trying to explain that,

00:08:35.600 well, actually, the situation's quite complicated. I'm a very proud Jewish Canadian, you can see it

00:08:40.520 where I keep on my head, I wear a talitana, I wear a talitana, I wear Hebrew rings, like the whole

00:08:44.740 nine yards, you know? And I've got people online calling me Joseph Goebbels, and equivalating me

00:08:49.640 with, you know, the greatest propagandist of the Nazi German state, because of the work that I've done

00:08:53.100 for Mr. Polyev, who supposedly, he could tweet a picture of his daughter, and magically, Rachel

00:08:58.320 Gilmore and co will jump out to claim that this is somehow a dog whistle to the far right, based on the

00:09:04.000 number of letters and the position they put out here. And then you've got an actual Nazi in the

00:09:08.900 House of Commons, who volunteered for the Waffen-SS, swore a personal oath to Adolf Hitler,

00:09:14.200 but there's context that people don't understand that we need to, we need to, you know, absolutely 0.87

00:09:19.240 ridiculous. Like, it's just, it opens their mind, and it just goes to show you to what extent a lot

00:09:23.700 of these people don't believe half of the things that they say. It's a political tactic to get people

00:09:28.040 to be quiet and to discredit their opponents. So, what exactly happened here? I'm still

00:09:33.840 perplexed. Is this incompetence? Is this stupidity? Is it malice? What exactly is going on here?

00:09:44.640 I'm just thinking about that moment when the speaker is reading from this text. Clearly,

00:09:49.740 he hasn't read this before, as you pointed out, and others have pointed out. He pauses for a second,

00:09:55.100 and he's like, fought against the Russians, and then he goes on. And it's that, at that moment,

00:10:00.540 they all start applauding and give him a standing ovation. Was there, do you know if there was a

00:10:07.940 single member of parliament who was like, wait a minute, I'm not standing up for this. I'm not

00:10:13.120 applauding this guy. Something's really off here. Did that occur to anybody? Like, how does everybody

00:10:19.580 just do this? I think, I think it just, it baffles the mind. Like, you know, if you're sitting there,

00:10:24.760 now we have the benefit of the mindset. But if you're sitting in the House of Commons,

00:10:27.260 President Zelensky is giving his address, you know, and the Speaker of the House of Commons,

00:10:31.200 in his official remarks, highlights this person in the crowd. I don't think anybody is going,

00:10:39.040 hmm, maybe it's a Nazi. So, you sort of go through the motions, you see everybody else,

00:10:43.100 and then after the fact, it's like, wait, that's not kind of suspect. And then people did the digging.

00:10:46.460 But no, I don't think, I'll be benevolent here. I'll be generous. I don't think this was,

00:10:50.940 and I'll say it even from this perspective, this was supposed to be a huge win for the Liberals.

00:10:55.820 Okay. So, a major, major foreign policy win. Stuff's been going bad for them for a while.

00:11:00.920 You know, the India situation was a catastrophe, but they were still able to spin that too, 1.00

00:11:05.460 obviously, because a Canadian citizen was killed. And, you know, all of a sudden,

00:11:08.400 things are starting to go in the right way. And it's like, oh, now we got President Zelensky

00:11:10.720 with his surprise visit in person, addressing Parliament, emphasizing how much Canada has done

00:11:14.660 for the Ukrainian war effort, was supposed to be a huge positive press day for the government

00:11:21.880 when they haven't had very many in a very long time. And instead, it turns into another

00:11:26.720 international embarrassment. So, this is pure incompetence. This is pure incompetence. I don't

00:11:31.200 think it's malice. And I'm not going to accuse the Prime Minister or anybody in the Liberal Party

00:11:35.240 of having secret Nazi sympathies. I'll leave them to do that to us. But this is just many,

00:11:41.440 many, many people, a series of people screwed up and didn't do their job. And again, in terms of

00:11:45.280 the process of how this rolled out, it seems, from what we do know, that the grandson of,

00:11:51.220 I'm forgetting his name now, but the grandson of...

00:11:53.100 Yaroslavanka, yeah.

00:11:55.420 Yeah, his grandson had submitted something to the constituency office of Mr. Roda because

00:12:00.300 the residents of that riding saying, hey, by the way, my grandfather served, you think he could

00:12:04.900 come? And that was sort of what started off the process. But I mean, this is interesting,

00:12:09.780 right? I mean, Canada, we also keep in mind, by the way, the unit that he served in,

00:12:13.600 there's a monument to them in Oakville. Yeah.

00:12:16.900 Yeah. Like, there's a monument to them in Oakville. And this is one of the weird

00:12:19.540 parts about Canada and, you know, all of our different diasporas. We got all sorts of weird,

00:12:25.180 interesting stuff all across our country that when people actually bring a microscope to go,

00:12:32.120 what? There's a monument to a Mopin SS, you know, unit in Oakville? Why? But it's there.

00:12:40.940 Yeah. Well, the thing is, you know, when that was pointed out by the Russian embassy, I believe,

00:12:46.440 a few years ago, the prime minister's office immediately issued a statement calling it

00:12:52.240 disinformation, except that it was factually correct. And it's very similar to when it was

00:12:58.600 discovered that Chrystia Freeland, Chrystia Freeland's grandfather was a Nazi collaborator

00:13:03.740 as well. And then the immediate reaction, again, predictably, was it's Russian disinformation

00:13:09.180 and propaganda, basically. And that was also the prime minister's initial remarks when he was asked

00:13:16.380 about what had happened. And, you know, he referred to Russian disinformation and propaganda. It's like

00:13:22.640 they seem to rely on this. It's like a stock response. And it's rather disingenuous. And do

00:13:29.060 you think at any point we'll actually engage with this murky past where a whole bunch of Nazis were

00:13:37.120 actually allowed into Canada? I think it was, I forget who it was, Urban Kotler, maybe, or some other

00:13:45.480 person. Yeah. I think he said, you know, there was a time in Canada when it was easier for Nazis to come

00:13:51.280 here than it was for Jewish people trying to escape Hitler's regime.

00:13:56.920 Yeah. No, precisely. And it's funny because it's an interesting thing. She was, even in the United

00:14:00.240 States of America, Operation Paperclip, right? After the World War II, a bunch of Nazi scientists are 0.86

00:14:07.260 given papers and brought to the United States. Some of them end up in the Soviet Union. And the space race

00:14:12.160 ends up actually largely being driven by, like, if you look at a lot of the senior scientists at NASA for

00:14:17.720 the first decades of its existence, a lot of them were former Nazi scientists who had been given

00:14:21.980 documentation for the United States. So there's a very, the post-war period, all sorts of people

00:14:29.180 ended up all sorts of places for a variety of reasons. And that's the, that was the other thing

00:14:34.860 too that's a lot of complicated as well. The number of people that were complicit in Nazi crimes is

00:14:40.540 measured in the millions. How, this is what they realized at the Nuremberg trials too, right? Is it's like, okay,

00:14:46.700 how do we hold people responsible? Who do we hold responsible? And originally, you know,

00:14:52.160 people come in with the intention of making sure that everybody gets what's coming to them.

00:14:55.160 And then you just realize that the sheer number of people is so obscene that it gets a little bit

00:15:00.580 complicated. But again, in terms of this particular situation, where we end up getting, I hope the

00:15:06.520 government releases the documents. That's what Sija and B'nai B'rith have been asking for for a long

00:15:11.100 time around, not only this unit, but also specifically how many people were admitted

00:15:15.260 after World War II, what was known about them at the time, and what was the criteria that was

00:15:20.540 determined to use whether or not they would be considered, you know, Canadian residents in good

00:15:24.120 standing versus potential political problems. But how hopeful am I? I think the liberals are trying

00:15:29.840 to kill this story as fast as possible. I think they're trying to move on. And I don't think,

00:15:34.420 unless conservatives, which I'm hopeful about, force the issue on a lot of this, I think they're

00:15:39.340 going to try to flip the page as quickly as possible.

00:15:42.180 Well, of course. I mean, with the supine media establishment, you know, they might just get

00:15:46.420 their way. But, you know, how can you ignore the fact that Poland has now made a request

00:15:50.360 to extradite Jaroslav Hanka to Poland to face trial for war crimes during World War II? I mean,

00:15:58.340 you can't just dismiss that. I mean, maybe you can. Like, I mean, you can dismiss extradition requests

00:16:04.140 made by India for people who are wanted back in India for all kinds of criminal activities.

00:16:09.340 there. But maybe they'll end up doing that in this. I mean, he is 98 years old. I mean,

00:16:15.520 98 years old. This is something that happened, unfortunately, you know, over 70 some odd years

00:16:20.440 ago. How much the details can you actually prove? All these sorts of things. Because there have been

00:16:25.540 academic inquiries into this unit in particular. What they participated in, what they didn't participate

00:16:33.060 in. The ideological component is not in dispute. Everybody accepts and agrees that this was a

00:16:37.380 move off an SS unit and that people swore personal oaths to Hitler and that there was an ideological

00:16:40.840 between them. But in terms of getting individual soldiers what they did, where they were, what they

00:16:46.680 knew, what they didn't know, much more difficult. So I understand the political reasoning that a

00:16:51.540 Polish minister might request this in terms of the actual feasibility of this actually being seen

00:16:55.300 through. Even I'm saying an extradition request, even if it actually is legitimate and does,

00:16:59.780 it takes a long time. So I'm not holding my breath where that specifically is concerned.

00:17:05.500 Yeah. So let's turn to India and Canada. Actually, the week of September 18th began with Trudeau making

00:17:12.640 these explosive allegations in the House of Commons. Do you find, and you know, the bilateral relations,

00:17:21.400 you know, have just, they were already frayed, but now they're like spiraling out of control.

00:17:25.040 Do you, do you believe his accusations that Indian agents, agents of the government of India were

00:17:32.080 involved in the murder of a Khalistani separatist activist? You think those allegations are well 1.00

00:17:38.500 founded? Or do you think that they're creating unnecessary damage to an important bilateral

00:17:45.240 relationship?

00:17:46.900 Well, this is the complication, right? I mean, the number one foreign policy priority of the West,

00:17:51.960 United States included, Canada included, has to be economic decoupling with the Chinese state.

00:17:58.520 There are not that many options when you're looking around the world in terms of where you want to go.

00:18:03.840 India is the natural and obvious alternative. You've seen a lot of movement in that direction as well. 0.98

00:18:09.420 Apple, for the first time this year, is releasing made in India iPhones, right? So you're seeing there's a

00:18:13.920 transition, all sorts of stuff like that. And in terms of what the evidence suggests, as of right now,

00:18:20.100 we'll see. I'd like to see more. But the fact that the intelligence came from a Five Eyes ally,

00:18:25.620 the fact that the Americans seem relatively supportive, the details are still unclear. I

00:18:30.460 wouldn't be surprised if there were, you know, this is not something that just the Indian government

00:18:33.340 does. These are governments around the world do this sort of thing all sorts of time, and I'm not

00:18:36.440 justifying it. That's why we need to take it seriously. If a foreign government, any foreign

00:18:40.800 government, assassinates or had a role in the death of a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil,

00:18:45.980 regardless of whether the circumstances around how this individual became a Canadian citizen are

00:18:50.300 quite interesting, to say the least. It needs to be fully investigated. But that issue, I see it as

00:18:57.760 fundamentally separate from another one, which is very valid that often comes from the Indian

00:19:01.680 government, which is that Canada has a history of harboring people who express extreme pro-Khalistani

00:19:09.560 views. And the fact of the matter is, if you're a Canadian citizen, and you support an independent

00:19:16.400 Sikh state in the Punjab, that's fine. You have freedom of speech. People have to do that. But

00:19:21.800 there's a subsection of it. So that's what I'm saying. Keep in mind, I want to explain to everybody

00:19:25.220 because I know it's a complicated issue. Not everybody's well versed on it. Fact of the matter

00:19:28.840 is, the majority, the Kalistani movement in Punjab proper in India is as fringe as fringe can

00:19:37.520 possibly be. It doesn't have a lot of clout. It is a primarily diaspora issue that happens to be

00:19:42.520 hyper-concentrated in Canada. But even within the Canadian Sikh community, okay, Kalistanis represent 1.00

00:19:48.620 a minority, and the extreme Kalistanis represent a minority within a minority. But they exist. They

00:19:54.500 exercise a lot of political influence because they're highly organized. And the kind of people

00:19:58.600 that I'm talking about, I want to be clear, because some people try to misconstrue it for political

00:20:01.880 purposes. If you deny the Air India bombing, right? Remember Jagmeet Singh, for example, took him

00:20:06.980 to find me. If you're trying to suggest that it actually wasn't conducted by Kalistani terrorists, 0.92

00:20:12.580 but that it was the government of India had this whole conspiracy to make them look bad,

00:20:18.380 all sorts of stuff like that. If you lionize as Shahids, as you see in some cases, the terrorists 1.00

00:20:25.480 responsible for that attack, I'm sorry. That's not okay. And again, if you're calling for violence

00:20:33.080 against Indian government officials, you are also, as far as I'm concerned, an extremist.

00:20:38.600 So, and then, you know, the analogy that I would use is, could you imagine if in the immediate

00:20:42.920 aftermath of the FLQ crisis in Quebec, okay, we had terrorists in the Quebec separatist movement

00:20:49.000 who went and established a community in some part of India, okay, and they grew, and, you know,

00:20:54.720 they were, I don't know, calling for the deaths of all sorts of Canadian government officials

00:20:58.020 and calling for an independent, all sorts of whatever you want to call it, okay? And Indian

00:21:03.800 politicians made a point of actively pandering to them because they represented, you know,

00:21:08.240 they became an important community, an organized community in certain parts of the country for

00:21:11.540 various purposes. It would be ludicrous. Nobody would ever accept that.

00:21:16.060 Yeah. Yeah. It's really gotten ridiculous. I mean, the point that you're trying to make

00:21:19.820 is a point that an Indian politician actually made a couple of weeks ago. And it's gotten to the

00:21:25.360 point where some prominent Indian commentators are offering to carve out a separate Khalistan

00:21:32.100 state in Canada. You know, it's just, some of this is just ridiculous. And it's funny. It's 0.93

00:21:39.700 entertaining. But unfortunately, it has serious implications for the bilateral relationship.

00:21:45.880 We've ended up alienating a very important democratic ally, which is a counterweight to China. 0.88

00:21:51.260 Yeah. I want to ask you a final question, Anthony. You know, Trudeau and the liberals have been

00:21:58.200 tacky in the polls. Where does he go from here? I mean, do you think he's going to last another two

00:22:02.620 years? Do you think he's going to stick it out? I think that's the plan. You know, that's the thing.

00:22:10.920 There's an expression, you know, man plans and God laughs. And also, two years and eternity in

00:22:15.520 politics, there's a million and one different things that can happen. But by all accounts,

00:22:20.580 everybody that I speak to in liberal land and otherwise, their intention as of right now is

00:22:26.480 that the prime minister is going to remain leader of the liberal party until the next election, and he

00:22:30.440 will run against Pierre Paglia. Now, again, maybe caucus gets rowdy. Maybe there's a push. Like,

00:22:36.420 there's a million and one different things that have happened in the past that could happen now.

00:22:40.100 But as far as the current intention, it seems he's pretty damn well set on running in the next

00:22:47.380 election. In terms of the liberals being able to stage a comeback, I want to be clear, you know,

00:22:51.140 the Conservative Party of Canada, we're not taking anything for granted. We've underestimated this

00:22:54.440 guy a zillion times before. And he beat us three times in a row. We're not going to do that again.

00:23:02.160 There's a very famous quote from the 2015 election campaign, where the then chief spokesperson for

00:23:06.460 the Conservative campaign was asked what the expectations were for Mr. Trudeau in the first

00:23:10.620 debate. And he said, if he shows up with his pants on, we'll consider it exceeding expectations.

00:23:15.160 And then he won a majority government. We've been in opposition for eight years. So those days are over.

00:23:19.460 That's not happening again. Stuff looks great now. And are we excited? Of course. Is it showing that

00:23:24.560 our work is resonating? Absolutely. But at the same time, are we going to take our foot off the gas pedal

00:23:30.940 and assume that it's already in the bag when we're potentially still as far as two years away from the election?

00:23:34.400 Absolutely not. Yeah. A lot can happen between now and then. Well, Anthony, thank you so much for

00:23:40.800 being on the show. It was great to have you. And thank you for your insights and for this great

00:23:45.480 conversation. And I hope to have you back soon. Absolutely. All right. All right. All right. Thank you.

00:23:51.260 Thank you.

00:24:03.540 Thank you.

00:24:04.140 Thank you.

Juno News - September 30, 2023

Trudeau’s pattern of incompetence

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