00:02:30.880So effectively moving into a series of terms that would have made the production more uneconomic over time.
00:02:41.600Getting back to Ford, he also threatened once again to cut off electricity to the United States.
00:02:47.600We aren't the only one that sends electricity down to the US. New Brunswick does, Quebec does,
00:02:53.600BC does, Manitoba does, just to name a few. So we need to get together, all together,
00:03:00.420and decide if we're going to put surcharges on the electricity. How can we let them take
00:03:08.200really inexpensive electricity to make goods to compete and take jobs from Canadians.0.97
00:03:15.500You know, you can't square that circle. So we'll use every tool in our toolbox. Then we'll see if0.89
00:03:21.720President Trump says, do I need Canada? Watch how he does cartwheels and he shouts and screams when
00:03:26.200we put the surcharge on. Matter of fact, I can't wait. Well, Premier Daniel Smith of Alberta
00:03:32.660rejects the idea of retaliation, saying it'll be Canadians who end up paying the price.
00:03:37.620I know emotionally it feels good to retaliate, I get that, but let's remember what happens when we retaliate.
00:03:46.540When retaliation happens, it means that everybody who is buying products from the United States are now going to face upwards of 50%, upwards to 50% tariffs.
00:03:56.300And they're talking about that being on steel, on dairy, on appliances, on agriculture equipment, that one worries me a lot.
00:04:03.720Conservative Party Pierre Polyev wants to see the deal that Carney says was unacceptable.
00:04:32.400Our guest today is Georgianne Burke, who is a communications strategist and political expert
00:04:37.600with Pathway Group. Welcome to the show, Georgianne. Thank you, Mark. Well, we saw the collapse
00:04:44.280on the weekend. I mean, I interviewed the ambassador to Canada, Pete Hoekstra, last week,
00:04:50.860and boy, things were sounding a lot different. It sounded like we had a deal that Trump was happy
00:04:56.760with that canada was ready to sign and fast forward a day or two and it's a dumpster fire
00:05:05.480could you tell us what you think took place so um i i will tell you one thing that i know for
00:05:12.920sure is that the americans are completely in the dark about why they decided to withdraw at the
00:05:18.200last minute and the only reasons they will know are the ones that we're hearing on the media in
00:05:23.000canada from the prime minister himself um the they thought they had a deal actually canadian
00:05:31.720the canadians were talking as if there was a deal and all of a sudden there wasn't so you have to
00:05:35.480wonder why this would occur um and i believe um from everything i have observed and things that
00:05:43.320i've heard over the last few days from both sides um that this was actually i i will say planned
00:05:50.440i think it was planned to be this way um and why do i say that well first of all the prime minister
00:05:56.680when he spoke um after the collapse of the talks the first statement that he made i think it was
00:06:02.600friday was extremely polished now you and i both know and the world knows he is not a polished
00:06:09.480off-the-cuff last-minute speech speaker okay so he had been planned this had been rehearsed
00:06:15.880in front of the mirror 25 times before he got up. He also seemed to be able to answer most of the
00:06:22.280questions that were asked reasonably well, both in French and English, which means that they had
00:06:27.440practiced him on that as well, because he's not good at that. That's not what he's good at. He's
00:06:31.600not good at off-the-cuff stuff like that. So I think this was actually planned. I think they
00:06:36.100intended to let it go, even past the three days that Trump held off for them. And then they
00:06:43.100announced they were withdrawing from the talks and they gave a bunch of excuses oh the french
00:06:47.040language oh we can't make deals with other countries um oh the dairy products oh this oh
00:06:53.820that and and actually my problem is nobody has seen the trade agreement that was offered
00:06:59.160nobody knows what was in it and they certainly didn't tell the americans why they were withdrawing
00:07:04.900uh at all they did not say to them we're withdrawing because of this particular issue
00:07:09.760That they did not do. So you have to ask yourself, then, why did they do it? So here's my surmise. There are three by-elections coming up on August 31st in federal, and there are three in Ontario that are coming up. Maybe it's two in Ontario. Anyway, there's by-elections in Ontario on September 3rd.
00:07:30.960He gave until September 8th before he was going to implement the retaliatory tariffs.
00:07:37.620Well, that gives him time now after he's finished with the by-elections because they use this anti-American stuff to ratchet up the vote for themselves to get people out.
00:07:49.340Oh, Mark Carney is going to save us from the bad man orange and all that stuff.
00:08:23.280and he knows that china is a no-go with the u.s because it is a non-market country um and by the
00:08:30.460way that restriction was in nafta and in usmca always so he's making that's a fake thing that
00:08:37.780he's making up there they haven't changed that at all it's the same exact issue so saying that
00:08:43.160they added something in is untrue um and um so so i i think that that's what he wants and he wants
00:08:51.040to see if he can cut some deals with his friends in Europe, his buddies in the globalists over
00:08:56.200there that just love him. We'll see how much he actually gets. Because the problem is going that
00:09:02.120for these other countries is going to be that he is going to have antagonized the U.S. so much
00:09:06.300that could impact their relationship with the U.S. And the U.S. is the big player in the trade world
00:09:12.500along with China. They're a big player, but they're a lot nicer to get along with than China
00:09:17.360is china comes in takes what it wants and leaves uh chaos when it retreats or moves out um or takes0.84
00:09:24.800over and turns the country into a vassal state if this is what canada wants i i feel bad i feel
00:09:31.040really bad actually um because it is not a good move to make okay if what you say is true why
00:09:40.240act like there is a deal in place and then upend the chessboard right at the last minute.
00:09:48.800Trump would not have paused the tariffs if he didn't think there was a deal. He came out and
00:09:54.960sounded very positive, as you know, late last week. This is all good. Our farmers are going to have
00:10:04.960access and then on the weekend we find out no way jose that the prime minister is not going to sign
00:10:13.320that deal premier ford is coming out says well i'm glad he's not signing that deal we got to hit back
00:10:20.320with everything we've got and here we go basically an all-out trade war which i don't see canada
00:10:28.700winning at the end of the day it's just it's not a fair fight and i'm just not sure that our
00:10:34.180politicians really understand that. But you're saying that these by-elections were playing a
00:10:40.320role, that he needed to be able to ramp up the elbows-up crowd ahead of those by-elections.
00:10:48.060Now, normally a by-election is not that big a deal, but I suppose given the numerical advantage
00:10:55.280being as minuscule as the liberals have it right now in terms of a majority, I guess what you're
00:11:01.040saying that it boiled down to holding on to this razor thin majority uh that's why they did it
00:11:09.040uh it's that and also giving them more legitimacy by elect actually electing people to the house
00:11:15.880of commons instead of stealing them from other parties um so there's that but there's a worse
00:11:21.680scenario that was kind of proposed to me and i don't know if it's true and i don't usually like
00:11:26.440starting rumors because it is this isn't a rumor this is just a a scenario that someone put forward
00:11:32.300to me and i don't think it's insane is that he may be actually looking to have a snap election
00:11:37.840um and if that is in fact the case that explains a whole lot because he knows that people weren't
00:11:45.700happy with the way that he achieved his majority um the other thing is if you look at the things
00:11:50.040that he was saying were the reasons for getting out of the deal they're all related to the writings
00:11:55.720that are involved in this by-election. You know, the French language thing, well, I think that
00:12:02.040might have been for Chicoutimi Lenore and maybe the stuff on the dairy farmers too, largely who
00:12:08.360are in Quebec. There's 4,000 dairy farmers in Quebec that are affected by, positively from
00:12:14.200their perspective, by supply management. So, you know, if you look at it that way, you can see that
00:12:20.040there's a political component to this. And I said his activities in the last few days would make
00:12:24.680machiavelli blush um honestly uh it's shocking to me that he's that he's doing this and i just spoke
00:12:32.040to one of your colleagues in the media just before i came on here uh just in a conversation he wasn't
00:12:37.160interviewing me we were just chatting and i said to him i said you know you guys have to do your job
00:12:42.920now is the time to do your job you need to ask the hard questions do not accept what he says at face
00:12:48.200value because i have people say to me on friday why is he lying he's lying americans knew he wasn't
00:12:55.640telling the truth because they were there in those in those discussions and they knew what happened
00:13:00.740jameson greer was on the media saying i don't know what happened like everything was going along
00:13:07.640swimmingly and then all of a sudden it was like nope we're not doing this so they were completely
00:13:11.900caught flat-footed which is very unusual for the americans that means that somehow carney thinks
00:13:18.320he outsmarted them but i think that all he will end up doing is really creating greater um uh
00:13:24.580suspicion shall we say of canadians uh which is not a good thing at this time and um make it even
00:13:31.280harder to negotiate something down the road which maybe maybe that's his end game maybe he just
00:13:35.220doesn't want to deal yeah it was interesting that uh it appeared that carney was trying to
00:13:41.520stir up passions in in quebec by saying that trump is trying to destroy the uh had a had an
00:13:50.600issue with the french language or there's elements he didn't want french language to be required
00:13:55.320on cnbc this morning and you may have heard him coming out and say well first of all i i speak
00:14:02.080french and one of my kids was born in paris and you know i have no problem with the french
00:14:07.220language had nothing to do with any issues around protecting Quebec, that this was simply
00:14:12.360about Canada deciding to tax these tech giants like Netflix and other companies, these streaming
00:14:21.580giants, so that they could essentially prop up these failing organizations in Canada.
00:14:28.340So basically, they wanted to use tech money to prop up, you know, Canadian content, to pay for Canadian content.
00:14:39.180And that was never going to fly with the Americans.
00:14:42.740But that was one of the things that came out in that interview with Jameson Greer this morning.
00:14:48.820Yeah, I mean, I think the U.S. is pretty unhappy with this situation right now.
00:14:55.020And I don't know if, I mean, I don't know whether he thinks, whether Carney thinks that Canada is so important to the United States that they will have to jump back into negotiations.
00:15:04.900I think he's overestimating the view of the U.S. toward this relationship.
00:15:09.220um nobody wants to see uh the the industries that are going to be especially hurt by this
00:15:15.840are the auto industry and related industries that do this back and forth across the border work
00:15:21.440um you know multiple times to produce their products because they're so tightly intertwined
00:15:27.380and it's been something that's been successful for five six decades right so that's going to
00:15:34.160be a problem that's going to be hard on both sides of the border they're both going to suffer
00:15:37.520from this. But the worst problem is I just spoke to someone today whose company does 80% of its
00:15:44.000business with the U.S. I spoke to someone last week on the weekend whose company does 100% of
00:15:50.620its business with the U.S. They do no Canadian business. They manufacture in Canada and 100%
00:15:55.340of their product is shipped to the U.S. What's going to happen to them? Did anybody think about
00:16:01.540them? On the issue of retaliatory tariffs, I mean, we've got Doug Ford and Premier Eby,
00:16:11.580others, you know, saying, we got to hit him with everything we've got. And then you've got
00:16:17.600Danielle Smith saying, well, whoa, well, maybe we should stop, you know, not do that. I mean,
00:16:23.580as far as I've been able to gather from Trump and how he reacts, if we hit him with retaliatory
00:16:30.100tariffs. He's not going to say, okay, let's get back to the bargaining table and hammer this out.
00:16:35.620No, he's going to respond with even higher tariffs. And I just don't understand why we try
00:16:41.900to use the same failed strategies over and over again. It's like the only thing we know how to do.
00:16:49.260Yeah. And I mean, this is really a huge concern. It's really a big problem.
00:16:53.300I will tell you that the best statement of everybody, party leaders, premieres, came from Danielle Smith on Friday.
00:17:04.760And, you know, I'm not I'm not a person who is, you know, one of the groupies around Danielle Smith.
00:17:10.160I like many things that she does and says, but I don't like other things.
00:17:15.740But her statement was actually right on.
00:17:18.240She said, we need to get serious about this and we need to get back to the table because she understands that there are businesses, including in the agriculture world in her province, that are going to be very detrimentally hurt by this.
00:17:32.380She knows this. I spoke to a company last week in the it's in sort of in the critical materials field that is actually moving their entire company to Texas.
00:17:47.680They're already doing production in Texas, but they've kept their headquarters and some of their production in Canada.