Juno News - Trump EXPOSES Carney, CBC fakes story of conservative in-fighting (w⧸ MP-elect Andrew Lawton)

00:00:00.000 Hi, I'm Candace Malcolm, and this is The Candace Malcolm Show. We have a great episode for you

00:00:06.520 today. We're going to talk about President Trump and his recent comments exposing Mark Carney.

00:00:11.640 We've been reporting about this at Juno News for over a month now, that there was a plan for Mark

00:00:16.360 Carney to quietly fold to President Trump, quietly fold to the Americans right after the election.

00:00:21.940 It took less than 72 hours for that to happen. Please do me a favor. I'm going to ask you to

00:00:27.120 just quickly like this video. It just takes half a second. It really helps us with the algorithm.

00:00:31.020 We want to get this show discovered by as many Canadians as possible. But before we get to the

00:00:35.880 news, I'm very pleased today to be joined by one of my favorite guests at The Candace Malcolm Show,

00:00:41.040 our friend, Andrew Lawton. Andrew is the Member of Parliament-elect for Elgin St. Thomas,

00:00:46.080 London South. Andrew, congratulations and welcome to the show.

00:00:49.720 Hey, thank you. It's good to be back, albeit in a very, very different capacity,

00:00:53.620 but I'm very grateful to be here.

00:00:55.240 Absolutely. So viewers know, and I'll just quickly recap their memory. Andrew is a long-time

00:01:00.680 journalist. He was a radio host in London, Ontario. And then when he left the Legacy Media,

00:01:05.400 oh, I don't know, maybe five or six years ago, we hired him. We scooped him up at True North and

00:01:09.440 he moved his radio show over to our airways. And he was a long-time mainstay for True North. And sadly,

00:01:16.080 we lost Andrew Lawton because he decided to abandon the independent media and join the Conservatives.

00:01:21.200 We're very happy for you, Andrew. And he just recently was elected. So Andrew, why don't you

00:01:26.140 walk us through your journey? Tell us about what it's like to go from being on this side of the

00:01:30.860 interview to the other side and how the campaigning went out in London.

00:01:35.480 Well, let me say, I haven't abandoned independent media. I'm still a strong supporter and a strong

00:01:39.460 ally. And I'm happy to be here and will continue to support independent journalism. But my goodness,

00:01:45.720 when the challenge of my role at True North as managing editor and host of my show was that

00:01:51.620 I was on the front lines of a lot of the challenges facing this country for so long. And I was seeing,

00:01:58.020 I was talking about just the decline and the hardship. And I had interviewed Pierre Polyevre and

00:02:02.520 I'd reported on the Liberals and Mark Carney and all of that. And, you know, when time was coming up to

00:02:09.400 where the election was, we thought was going to be, I felt I could not spend this election on the

00:02:14.820 sidelines that the stakes were just too high. And I decided to, there was a longtime conservative

00:02:20.260 member of parliament in a local riding that was not running again. And I really thought long and

00:02:25.480 hard about it. I prayed about it and reluctantly talked to you about it. And knowing, knowing you

00:02:31.340 would, you know, be encouraged, as you were very encouraging, but also at the same time, I think

00:02:35.760 probably secretly hoping I might lose so that I could stay at True North. But you know what, I was so

00:02:40.840 grateful for the support of not just you and our team, but all of the audience as well, a ton of

00:02:46.260 whom I learned were right there in the riding. And we're so excited that, you know, they now had the

00:02:51.100 opportunity to cast a ballot for me. And we fought, you know, really hard for the nomination. And then

00:02:56.700 I became the candidate in November. And for the last, what is it, five, five months now, we've been

00:03:02.040 plugging away day in, day out. And we're really honored with the victory we had with over 50% of the

00:03:07.480 vote on Monday night. Wow, congratulations. And so was it what you expected? Or how are you feeling

00:03:13.320 post election? Disappointed? Excited? What's it like at this point? It's funny you mentioned that

00:03:19.240 it was a bit bittersweet, because we were so focused on our local riding and our campaign. And that was

00:03:26.260 the only thing and you really like, when you're out knocking on doors, as I was from morning to night,

00:03:30.860 you're not even really following the national story. So it took like, I had to take time each

00:03:36.120 evening to catch up on you know, what was happening with, you know, Pierre here and Mark Carney there,

00:03:40.840 because that wasn't our what we were dealing with on the ground. And then at the end of it,

00:03:44.680 we win. And we're so excited. And we're over the moon. And you have to take that moment to say,

00:03:48.120 Oh, wow, but yeah, we're actually disappointed, too. Because nationally, things didn't go the way

00:03:52.520 they were supposed to. And the next day, so on Tuesday of this week, we were at the campaign office,

00:03:57.700 just, you know, getting closing up loose ends and collecting signs and all of this stuff. And

00:04:02.860 people were coming into the office. And I was expecting everyone to be all excited. And they're

00:04:06.700 like, Oh, this sucks. And I was like, Well, no, it doesn't entirely. But but I understand it. So 0.98

00:04:11.340 it was a bit of a bittersweet moment. But you know, the challenges that propelled me into politics

00:04:17.800 are still there. And you know, I can use my voice now not, you know, doing a show, but in the House

00:04:23.400 of Commons, holding the government to account and championing the very things that I ran on in the

00:04:27.660 platform. And I'm very honored to have that opportunity to advocate for those values and advocate for

00:04:32.620 for my constituents, I think there's a lot of silver lining to the election, of course, disappointing

00:04:36.700 that Pierre Polyev didn't become prime minister. I think that's what so many people hoped and expected.

00:04:40.860 But obviously, the Conservatives doing so well in Ontario, increasing, you know, the popular vote

00:04:46.220 up to 41%. Unbelievable that 41% isn't enough to get to a majority in Canada anymore. And I just want to

00:04:53.180 know, like, what what's in store next? What is when when do you get sworn in to be an MP? A lot of people

00:04:58.060 asking questions around Pierre Polyev. And we'll get to some of the media reports about his future,

00:05:02.380 presumably staying on as leader. What will happen though, with him not having a seat in the Parliament?

00:05:08.460 So as for the timeline for me, I don't know, I'm learning a lot about this process, I'd obviously

00:05:12.860 thought about what's going to happen when I'm in Parliament. But I hadn't really thought of that

00:05:16.540 period between the election and there. I've already had some onboarding from the House of Commons,

00:05:22.220 which has been really interesting. And I'm doing some orientation in Ottawa next week. And I think that

00:05:28.460 it sounds like Parliament could be coming back pretty soon. So I don't know. But rest assured, if people

00:05:33.500 follow me on social media, I'll have all the information about when the swearing in is happening.

00:05:38.540 As far as Pierre goes, I think he should be tremendously proud of what he did. He not just ran a campaign

00:05:43.420 that attracted, as you mentioned, 41% of the national popular vote. But that number is important,

00:05:49.020 because that's higher than the Conservatives got even when we won a majority government in 2011

00:05:55.820 with Stephen Harper. The issue was not the number of votes. The issue is that under the first-past-the-post

00:06:01.260 system, the distribution can sometimes be a little bit messy. And what we saw this election

00:06:06.460 was a surge in Conservative support, but a complete collapse of the NDP voice and vote. And that's very

00:06:14.780 difficult to compete with if you have the NDP vote coalescing behind the Liberals, which happened in

00:06:19.820 a number of ridings. Now, I'm not saying there's anything unfair about that. That's the democratic

00:06:23.820 process. And I think it's a byproduct of the NDP being such a weak, non-existent political force over

00:06:31.020 the last few years. If you're an NDP voter and you're looking at your party just propping up the

00:06:36.140 Liberals blindly in exchange for nothing, you're saying, all right, well, I guess, you know, why have the

00:06:41.580 middleman? Why not just vote Liberal? And I think that's what a lot of New Democrats did. But

00:06:45.900 conversely, a lot of New Democrat voters came to the Conservatives. We saw success in ridings that

00:06:51.340 have oftentimes been NDP strongholds in my own city and London Fanshawe, one riding there that

00:06:57.020 the Conservatives have held once in its history. And I think that was in 84 when Mulroney had that

00:07:01.740 massive majority. We had a sweep of Windsor, we picked up in Hamilton. So these are areas that

00:07:08.700 show that Pierre Polyev has expanded the Conservative base, which is what we always

00:07:13.180 talk about as being necessary for a long-term victory. So I think there's a lot to be proud

00:07:18.140 of and Pierre will continue to lead this party. It's so interesting because there are some

00:07:22.460 demographics, like all those union endorsements really helped Polyev, as you mentioned with

00:07:27.340 working class towns, also young Canadians, like young voters really showed up for Pierre in a way that

00:07:32.380 I haven't seen happen for Conservatives in a long time and new Canadians as well. There was a lot of,

00:07:36.860 like, you know, riding like Markhamville or Unionville Markham went for the Conservatives,

00:07:41.980 which is very interesting. All of Richmond Hill as well. Okay, Andrew, I want to get to the news

00:07:46.780 because this, I think, to so many Canadians who did not want Mark Carney to win is so frustrating

00:07:52.940 because this idea that the media narrative created from very early on that President Trump was a

00:07:58.060 sexual essential threat to Canada and that Mark Carney was the man with the plan and he was the one that 0.57

00:08:02.140 could combat Donald Trump. I think so many Liberal voters believe that and so many of them had that

00:08:07.020 idea in their head. Well, it took less than 72 hours, from my perspective, for this illusion to just

00:08:12.380 completely evaporate. And President Trump, on Wednesday, came out again with the 51st state rhetoric,

00:08:18.620 with the, you know, just provocative statements about Canada. And I think he exposed Mark Carney for

00:08:25.820 being two-faced because, again, Mark Carney, even in his election victory speech, even after the

00:08:30.540 campaign was over, he doubled down on his anti-Americanism. He said in that speech that

00:08:34.540 our relationship with the United States is over, which is so dramatic. And here is President Trump

00:08:40.140 speaking glowingly about Mark Carney, saying that Mark Carney called him up and said, let's make a deal,

00:08:45.420 and basically saying that he thinks that Pierre Polyev was harder on him than Mark Carney. This is all just

00:08:51.900 totally in direct contradiction to the media narrative. So let's play this clip of President

00:08:56.460 Trump in the Oval Office yesterday. President of Canada, not only against the Conservatives, but

00:09:04.140 also against you. Yesterday, he spoke about American betrayal. Are you interested in rebuilding

00:09:14.460 relations with Canada? And if so, how? No, well, I think we're going to have a great relationship. He

00:09:20.380 called me up yesterday. He said, let's make a deal. You know, he was running for office. They

00:09:24.940 were both, they both hated Trump. And it was the one that hated Trump, I think the least that won.

00:09:31.420 I actually think the Conservatives hated me much more than the so-called liberal. He's a pretty liberal

00:09:37.020 guy. But no, I spoke to him yesterday. He couldn't have been nicer. And I congratulated him. You know,

00:09:42.780 it was a very mixed signal because it's almost even, which makes it very complicated for the country.

00:09:49.900 It's a pretty tight race. But he's a very nice gentleman. And he's going to come to the White 1.00

00:09:56.620 House very shortly. To me, this shows that Mark Kearney is two-faced. Because to his Canadian 1.00

00:10:01.740 audience, he does the whole elbows up bit. He says our relationship is over. And he has very harsh words

00:10:06.700 for the Americans. And then according to Trump's retelling of it, I have no reason to believe that

00:10:10.860 Trump isn't being honest there. He's a very nice gentleman. You know, he's very nice. He thinks that the

00:10:15.180 Conservatives dislikes him more, which means that what Pierre Polyev was doing in public

00:10:19.420 is presumably also what's happening in private. Whereas for Mark Kearney, in public, he's very

00:10:23.580 harsh to Trump. In private, he's kissing the ring and being, you know, reconcilatory. What do you think

00:10:29.900 of all this, Andrew? Yeah, I mean, the liberals were trying to stoke the very worst fear of what the U.S.

00:10:36.060 was going to do to Canada. And look, I think the U.S. threats needed to be taken seriously. And I

00:10:42.940 think they were. I think tariffs on their own are incredibly unjust. They're unjustified. They're

00:10:48.540 wrong. They hurt both countries. They put, in my writing especially, a lot of agriculture and

00:10:53.740 manufacturing. It threw a lot of that into jeopardy and peril. So threats did need to be taken seriously.

00:10:59.420 But the liberals were trying to stoke the very worst. They were trying to say, you know, that they

00:11:04.140 were trying to make all of these claims that weren't supported by anything between the Canadian

00:11:08.060 conservatives and the Trump administration. And in the end, when Trump was speaking very

00:11:13.260 candidly throughout the campaign about how he'd prefer the liberal, what I and others had said is

00:11:17.740 that he prefers weak leadership. He knew that either a weakened Canada would be better for the U.S. or

00:11:23.740 he knew that Mark Kearney was going to suck up and kiss the ring. I mean, we still do not know what 0.95

00:11:29.340 Mark Kearney's business dealings are. He has never disclosed these things publicly. We don't know

00:11:34.380 where his money is tied up. We don't even know if he has business dealings with Donald Trump. We

00:11:38.780 actually have no idea. And the reality is, this was not some game of 3D chess on his,

00:11:44.700 on Trump's part. He was very clear that he wanted Mark Kearney in there. And I think we're seeing this.

00:11:49.020 Well, you mentioned blind trust. Interesting news today. Brookfield Asset Management announced

00:11:53.820 that they are reinvesting and investing in U.S. manufacturing. So this came out on Bloomberg.

00:11:58.940 I'll read from it quickly. Brookfield Infrastructure Partner LP is looking to invest in U.S.

00:12:02.940 manufacturing operations as companies plan to build new plants following President Trump's

00:12:07.340 tariff plans. Brookfield is looking at providing capital to companies that are planning to bring

00:12:11.420 new manufacturing back to the country, similar to the firm's $30 billion deal with Intel. So not only

00:12:18.140 as Mark Kearney out there, you know, trying to make a deal with President Trump, now the election's

00:12:22.460 open, over, his company is also doing the thing that Trump wants to do. So from my perspective,

00:12:27.980 it seems like Trump is winning this trade war.

00:12:30.380 Yeah, I think you're right about that. And I think, you know, the theme of this election for

00:12:34.380 a lot of people was who's going to put Canada first. And Mark Kearney has not demonstrated a

00:12:38.300 willingness to do that. And I'm not exactly optimistic having seen how the first few days after the election are

00:12:43.500 shaking out.

00:12:44.380 Okay, Andrew, I want to switch gears a little bit. I caught this on CBC on election night.

00:12:49.100 And here is Rosemary Barton speaking on election panel. And she's talking about how she's been

00:12:53.820 speaking to many conservatives who say that they want Pierre Polyev to step aside or that it's time

00:12:58.940 to have a leadership review. Look, I talked to a lot of conservatives as well, and I am not hearing

00:13:03.340 this at all. So maybe Rosemary Barton has more conservative friends than I do. I kind of doubt it.

00:13:07.820 But I want to play this clip. You can see former Alberta Premier Jason Kenney pushing back against

00:13:13.180 it. But let's play this clip. He was definitely laying the groundwork that he he has no intention

00:13:18.940 of leaving. And he was pointing to the proof points as to why he deserves to stay and continue this this

00:13:25.180 fight. And I know you think that he will. I do know people who are already gearing up to try and

00:13:33.180 push him out. We'll see what happens. Well, I know a lot of conservatives in Canada, and I haven't

00:13:40.540 heard that from anybody. Not to say they don't exist. Well, they exist. I don't know if they tell you,

00:13:46.140 but they told me. So Rosemary Barton claiming to know more conservatives than Jason Kenney, than 1.00

00:13:52.220 myself and others. Look, I know that there was a bit of a campaign to undermine Pierre Polyev during the

00:13:57.420 election. That has all come out with the PCs, with Corey Tanaik, who is Doug Ford's chief of

00:14:03.420 staff and campaign manager. Doug Ford himself. There's been a bit of a back and forth. Also,

00:14:07.900 Tim Houston, the premier of Nova Scotia. I don't understand why, but he started putting out campaign

00:14:13.420 videos promoting himself right at the end of the election, which just seems so wildly inappropriate

00:14:18.380 to me. So I know that there are some people in the orbit that are looking to take Pierre Polyev's job,

00:14:26.140 presumably. But as far as the grassroots and the base and conservative partisans and members,

00:14:31.420 this is not something that I'm hearing. So I'm wondering if you can react to all that.

00:14:35.660 Yeah. Look, I don't really care what Doug Ford is saying about the conservative leader. People

00:14:43.340 who are actually conservative are behind Pierre Polyev and appreciate and understand what he's done.

00:14:49.180 And when I wrote my biography of Pierre, before I knew I'd be jumping into politics, one of the points

00:14:54.460 that I said there was that Pierre was leading a movement, not just a party. And I think even with

00:15:00.460 the unsuccessful outcome on election night, we saw that. We saw that in the rallies. We saw that

00:15:06.780 in the demographic shifting towards the conservatives. We saw it in young people who are traditionally very

00:15:12.300 difficult to get engaged in politics and very difficult to get out to vote. And when I was out

00:15:17.420 knocking on doors, areas that we did really well in, in the previous election, in my riding,

00:15:24.460 were we were still finding support there. But areas we didn't do well in last time, we were finding a

00:15:31.180 ton of support in because we were appealing to a demographic that historically had not been voting

00:15:37.180 or had not been voting conservative. And I think that itself is really, really key. And it gives us

00:15:41.980 something to build on moving forward. But there are people that have their own ambitions and ulterior

00:15:47.420 motives that are going to undermine Pierre, not because they think it's in the best interests of

00:15:50.700 the party, but because they think it's in their own best interests.

00:15:53.340 Well, I just don't see the constituency behind that. I think you're right that it's not just the

00:15:58.060 political party. It is a movement. People are very invested in Pierre Polyev. The excitement around

00:16:02.780 him has been there since he first declared leader. And I would say years before that, like I had him on my show

00:16:07.660 in 2020, 2021. And there were always really popular episodes, like people in the audience,

00:16:13.100 people in the conservative base really are inspired by Pierre Polyev. So I just don't see it coming. I

00:16:18.460 think the media is trying to promote it and maybe some circles like people in the Ontario PC party,

00:16:23.260 which I don't understand. I think it's funny. And first of all, I think it's great to see someone

00:16:27.100 like Jamil Javani able to speak freely. We showed the clip of him yesterday, but he was out there on

00:16:34.220 election night, just kind of finally just saying that we're not happy with what Doug Ford did.

00:16:39.500 He posted this hilarious meme on X, which I think, you know, a lot of the elite establishment people

00:16:44.940 were very angry at him for posting this meme. I thought, this is funny. We have more and more

00:16:49.260 millennials in public office and, you know, they're kind of making light of things like this. And so you

00:16:53.660 can see Doug Ford ripping off an Ontario Peace t-shirt and having a liberal shirt underneath,

00:16:58.060 looking like an old style wrestler. But Doug Ford himself came out and addressed this. So he was

00:17:03.500 speaking to reporters in Mississauga yesterday. And here's what he said about the spat with Pierre

00:17:08.700 Polyev. Why didn't you come out with Pierre Polyev and make these kinds of statements during the

00:17:14.540 campaign? I shouldn't interfere in the federal election. Last time I checked, Pierre Polyev never

00:17:20.060 came out in our election. Matter of fact, him or one of his lieutenants told every one of his members,

00:17:28.860 don't you dare go out and help the PCs. Isn't that ironic?

00:17:33.260 So, yeah, I don't know if it's just like an interpersonal spat or if they have some kind of,

00:17:39.260 maybe they're both wanting the same job. I don't know why Doug Ford is continuing this.

00:17:44.140 But I know Andrew Scheer, former Conservative leader and Conservative MP, was out there as well. He was

00:17:49.500 speaking on CTV's show with Vassie Capellos. And here's what he had to say.

00:17:53.980 Tim Houston said the Conservatives are pushing more people away than pulling in. These are

00:17:59.420 Conservatives. This isn't me just making it up. But it's just demonstrably false by the facts.

00:18:02.620 And the facts are we, like, it doesn't make sense.

00:18:05.660 But why didn't Pierre Polyev have talked to Tim Houston or talked to Doug Ford? Isn't that weird?

00:18:09.740 You can't simultaneously say we pushed people away when we got more votes. That's just factually

00:18:15.100 incorrect. That doesn't work on a mathematical level. I don't know what else to say. I mean,

00:18:21.260 we got more votes. We got a higher percentage. We won more seats. Clearly, we weren't pushing

00:18:25.740 people away. We reached historic highs. That's just a nonsensical statement that doesn't hold up to

00:18:30.540 a second's worth of scrutiny.

00:18:32.380 So is this Conservative infighting a problem? Or do you think that this is just like a couple of

00:18:37.100 people with big egos who wanted the top job and saw this as their opportunity,

00:18:41.580 and then someone like Andrew Scheer just saying, you know, the facts don't show that Pierre Polyev

00:18:46.460 actually had a huge loss. The facts show that our strategy is working and we should continue.

00:18:51.580 Do you think Conservative infighting is a problem?

00:18:53.180 Look, I think the law and people who are invested in the Conservative movement and invested in the

00:18:58.300 Conservative Party of Canada's success understand what we achieved in the last election. And while

00:19:03.660 disappointed, understand that we have a mandate to hold the government to account and continue.

00:19:08.140 This is not a moment in which we have to rebuild. This is a moment in which we have to just keep

00:19:12.860 forging ahead and continuing to grow and get our message out. And, you know, look, I go into this as

00:19:18.940 someone honored to be a member of Parliament in the next Parliament. I would have loved to have been

00:19:23.260 doing that in government. But, you know, my role is just as important in opposition if that's where

00:19:28.060 the chips have fallen to hold the government to account. And look, I don't know how long the next

00:19:32.380 Parliament is going to last, but I do know that Mark Carney has given every indication

00:19:36.380 that he is going to actually be worse than Justin Trudeau for the economy.

00:19:40.860 He was parading himself around as this, you know, fiscally responsible centrist, but then he put his

00:19:46.460 platform out in the 11th hour of the campaign that called for a quarter of a trillion dollars

00:19:50.860 more in spending over the next four years than Justin Trudeau, who never met a tax hike and spending

00:19:56.540 increase he didn't like, than he had planned in the fall economic update. So I think Canadians will see,

00:20:02.380 very quickly, that we could not afford to give the Liberals a fourth term.

00:20:07.340 Okay, I want to move on to the next topic here for you, Andrew, just quickly get your thoughts on

00:20:11.660 this. So we saw Premier in Alberta, Danielle Smith, come out and say, first of all, that she wanted to

00:20:16.940 reset in relations, laying out a whole bunch of ground rules for what she thinks the new relationship

00:20:22.060 between the Feds and Alberta should look like. Simultaneously, she changed the Citizens Initiative Act 0.60

00:20:27.740 to lower the threshold that would trigger a referendum. We had a constitutional lawyer,

00:20:32.940 Keith Wilson, join the show yesterday and laid all out for us. Really interesting development.

00:20:38.300 What do you say to the Canadians and specifically folks in Alberta who are just so disappointed and

00:20:44.620 so dismayed with the election results that they've lost faith in the system and they are interested,

00:20:49.980 or at least flirting with this idea of Alberta sovereignty and independence?

00:20:55.180 I'll be perfectly candid. I haven't followed a lot of this. I've only seen the headlines,

00:20:59.180 but generally speaking, I love this country and I believe in this country. And I think this country

00:21:03.660 has room for all of the different geographic areas, all of the different political groups and

00:21:09.500 factions that we have, and we need to stand up for Canada. And I think that if people feel alienated,

00:21:14.780 it's because the federal government has either taken them for granted or actively rejected them. And

00:21:19.820 I am not going to give up on Canada. I don't want anyone else to either.

00:21:23.980 Well, that's very well put. And obviously we will continue to follow those developments.

00:21:29.180 Hopefully it doesn't come to that. Hopefully this parliament is short-lived and the Conservatives can

00:21:33.500 figure out a way to gain power in Ottawa so that it doesn't come to this. But very interesting.

00:21:39.660 Appreciate your time today, Andrew. Great to have you back on the show. Don't be a stranger.

00:21:43.740 And we wish you all the best in your next endeavor in Ottawa.

00:21:46.940 Thanks very much, Candice and everyone. It's great to be back.

00:21:49.500 All right. That's Andrew Lawton, MP-elect in the riding of Elgin St. Thomas, London South. Great to

00:21:55.260 have him on the show. All right. It flugs us all the time we have for today. We'll be back again

00:21:58.300 tomorrow with all the news. Thank you so much. I'm Candice Malcolm. This is the Candice Malcolm Show.

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Juno News - May 01, 2025

Trump EXPOSES Carney, CBC fakes story of conservative in-fighting (w⧸ MP-elect Andrew Lawton)

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