Juno News - Trump REFUSES to meet with Carney

00:00:00.000 and welcome to straight up i am your host mark patrone did canada really apologize to president

00:00:12.880 donald trump over the use of anti-tariff ads well trump said canada did offer an apology before

00:00:20.400 bullying the controversial ads but as that uh well it was a little too late let's listen

00:00:26.800 as much as i love canada itself and the people of canada they've just had a lot of bad representatives

00:00:32.960 they did a fake ad yesterday they were caught the ronald reagan foundation was the one that caught

00:00:38.720 them and they've apologized and they said we're going to take the ad down well they did it but

00:00:43.280 they did it very late they let it play for another two nights and now they took that ad down prime

00:00:48.720 minister knew what the ad was before will you see him in apex do you want to meet with him

00:00:52.400 i don't want to meet with him no i'm not going to be meeting with him for a while no i'm very happy

00:00:57.600 with the deal we have right now with canada well apology or no premier doug ford says he has no

00:01:03.840 regrets whatsoever about the ads he says it was our intention to get the message out it was the most

00:01:11.200 successful ad in the history of north america according to sources the canadian trade delegation

00:01:18.560 was warned months ago that ford's harsh criticism of trump irritated the u.s president and the

00:01:25.280 anti-tariff ads were the last straw meantime prime minister mark carney had this to say about the

00:01:32.480 effect of the ads on the termination of the trade talks have you had any contact with president trump

00:01:39.280 since thursday uh i have not president trump says he's canceled these trade talks because he's upset

00:01:46.000 about the ontario government ad uh i would suggest you take the president at his word uh for his

00:01:52.000 reason less than a month ago you were at the white house uh you seemed very cordial friendly with president

00:01:59.120 trump uh you were the two of you were joking you said you were going to walk away with a good deal he

00:02:04.640 said that that we would be very happy is the u.s toying with canada and how did your relationship with

00:02:12.800 donald trump go south so fast oh that's a question for him so not only did the u.s president terminate

00:02:20.320 any further trade talks with canada but he also levied an additional 10 percent tariff on his northern

00:02:26.240 neighbor now former liberal mp dan mctaig will be joining us shortly he says according to his well-placed

00:02:32.960 sources the deal was ready just before trade relations collapsed over the reagan ads the doug ford

00:02:40.720 government launched the ads on u.s network featuring the former voice of ronald dragan the former

00:02:46.880 president criticizing the use of tariffs they aired during the world series on the weekend trump says

00:02:54.160 it'll be a long time before he sits down with carney again dan mctaig is the former member of

00:03:00.640 parliament he spent 18 years on the hill as a liberal member of parliament these days he looks upon the

00:03:07.760 liberal party as a lost cause on a lot of days and he's got some thoughts about what has transpired

00:03:13.440 in the way of trade just an absolute collapse in negotiations dan welcome to the show mark good to

00:03:20.720 be here sorry it has to be on this topic but uh the story just keeps unfolding and i think for the

00:03:25.680 worst for most canadians well we now know among other things that prime minister carney and his chief of

00:03:32.240 staff did see the ad before it went to air so they can't stand back and pretend that they never knew

00:03:38.640 that this was going to happen or that somehow doug ford went rogue so that's one thing that he can't

00:03:44.800 use as an excuse dan well no and it may explain why uh in the uh in his response which i think uh

00:03:54.640 he's pretty heated trump referred to it as canada's ad he didn't refer to it as doug ford or ontario

00:04:01.440 he went right after uh i think he uh unless he misspoke he went to the jugular and basically said

00:04:06.400 i know this is part and parcel of what uh many are suggesting is the canadian way uh you know try to

00:04:13.600 be smug try to be cute uh backstab and uh you know try to mock or mimic but maybe this is uh maybe

00:04:21.040 this is disappointing for trump that he's dealing with people that he can't make a deal with and of

00:04:25.040 course for for uh for mark carney who claimed his whole fortune in his election and uh called the

00:04:31.840 caused the el bozos the elbows up crowd to think that uh he could somehow negotiate better looks like

00:04:38.960 i'm hearing from sources that the there was a deal in the works very much in the works and that it has

00:04:44.480 now been effectively scuttled by the hubris of uh those who like to rub whatever in the snouts of uh of

00:04:53.040 individuals and uh i had no business doing it now of course we may be looking at several weeks of

00:04:57.920 no trade a continuation of tariffs uh and while other countries including china are getting some

00:05:02.960 kind of a deal including europe uh soon maybe others uh we're still standing back and we have

00:05:08.880 the most to lose given that we have the largest uh exposure to the u.s market and to what happens

00:05:14.960 there matters to us and vice versa but i would say more so in the first rather than the latter

00:05:19.760 well carney is in asia as you know and i mean he's trying to make deals but basically most

00:05:27.360 countries would rather have access to the u.s market with its 340 million people than they would

00:05:34.480 you know canada's market of 40 million and so he's you know trump's got an advantage there but

00:05:40.320 carney i guess is trying to forge some more alliances he says there's already a free trade deal

00:05:44.960 in place with indonesia it's hard to see how beneficial that's going to be i mean at the end

00:05:49.200 of the day we still need a deal with our biggest trade partner the united states and the fact that

00:05:55.840 the canadians may have fumbled the ball on the half yard line you know we might have been days from

00:06:02.640 some kind of announcement on a trade deal and you know according to your sources we were there and it

00:06:10.640 all went to crap because of this ad it just seems ridiculous almost makes you wonder if they're

00:06:17.360 sabotaging these deals what do you think well i think it's sabotage but it's also hubris i think

00:06:22.880 it has a lot to do with the fact that they thought they could get a deal they said that they would

00:06:26.320 the signature accomplishment would be that they can handle trump um and that uh they wouldn't take

00:06:31.360 uh they wouldn't uh you know they would make a fair deal but they'd also recognize that uh this was

00:06:36.400 their uh their way in which they got elected it was a signature move in the campaign that they could

00:06:40.800 do a deal that no one else could including peer polyev well now you have two problems one the deal is not

00:06:46.240 going to happen uh if it were to happen and it may be quite a while before uh we get back to that

00:06:51.600 position but more importantly the timing you see i know enough about the liberal party going back to

00:06:57.120 1978 at least uh knocking on doors and campaigning and being an mp half of that uh and somewhat in the

00:07:03.600 cabinet as well for for a very brief period of time near the end that uh you know the party probably

00:07:09.840 thought hey look we can get a deal we can make good in the fact that we made a deal with donald trump

00:07:13.920 let's call it election because we know that next tuesday that budget is going to be the most

00:07:19.440 devastating and the most alarming and hair-raising not just since 1997 but i would say since 1981-82 so

00:07:26.560 uh this is a way of sort of deflecting away from that saying oh don't worry about it we'll we'll

00:07:30.640 manage that there's 10 years of reckless liberal antics that caused that but uh we're getting it right

00:07:36.000 because we've got a deal now with the united states that was the play and a lot of media will not

00:07:40.880 talk about that because they don't first of all recognize that a deal was near or close at hand

00:07:45.520 they're not going to admit it now but it does too probably it creates two problems for the liberals

00:07:49.520 they had eight months into this they have no credibility on an issue that they uh they they

00:07:53.440 claim they could do something about worse i suspect that their own arrogance their own left-wing

00:07:59.840 woke green arrogance uh you know probably hit the wrong guy hit nerve uh hit hit a raw nerve for a guy who

00:08:08.720 has the power to come back and clobber canada and you know we've put ourselves in this position mark

00:08:13.520 you and i have talked for several years we weakened our industry we've allowed a lot of uh uh de

00:08:19.120 manufacturing in this country we've uh we've uh we've shut down our oil and gas sector we've trivialized

00:08:25.600 the things that make us wealthy and prosperous and we've flooded the country with people who can't 1.00

00:08:30.480 find work more importantly creating an inflationary spiral that no one can put out even with lower

00:08:35.360 interest rates so i'm guessing that uh where mark carney finds himself in in now today is

00:08:40.880 diametrically opposed to where they were last thursday when they made a calculated mistake to

00:08:45.520 try to as it were uh poke the out of the bear yeah you make a great point about the budget as well

00:08:51.600 because they're going to be looking in at making revenue projections that may have no bearing on reality

00:08:57.280 especially since we're sinking into a recession you know they're counting on money accounting on levels

00:09:02.880 of economic growth that are not going to be there i mean i i can make that prediction even before

00:09:07.680 the budget comes out and i guess then you're also going to have to look at you know how are these

00:09:12.480 guys going to try and pretend that everything is fine when clearly it's not you know trying to divide

00:09:18.080 capital from operating spending as if they're you know sure they may be two different things but

00:09:23.200 it's still spending you know you're still you're still throwing money out the door and so

00:09:29.600 yeah we're in trouble and i guess it'll to your point it'll come out next week when we see this

00:09:36.240 budget this long-awaited budget by the mark carney government yeah so if the debt deficit are growing

00:09:42.560 faster than the economy is likely to grow and because remember these are projections that go ahead not just

00:09:47.840 where you've been but where you're likely to go and considering the the constraints not even you know

00:09:53.200 taking into account the tariff battle we've been in a very tight situation for quite some time where

00:09:58.480 we've had nothing uh to uh to write home about in terms of how this economy is performed we've

00:10:04.400 saddled the economy with major regulations an abundance of federal hires and public service

00:10:11.520 jobs to mask and paper over the real job creators in this country and we've put ourselves in a situation

00:10:17.920 where we are now at a position where taxes are higher growth is lower and the debt and deficit

00:10:24.160 are starting to mushroom i know that the international monetary fund is woke and i know

00:10:28.800 that they're going to play their little dei game and do all their stupidity on the esg because they're

00:10:34.160 all part of the international cartel that has helped realize uh the decline in canada but bond

00:10:41.600 rating agencies aren't going to be able to say oh well we can take the cpp and use that as collateral

00:10:46.400 against this debt if any one of them do that they have absolutely no credibility there is no real uh you

00:10:53.120 know game winner here for canada we are going to see a major credit downgrade and if we don't it's

00:10:57.600 because we've been able to manipulate even those who have uh you know have a responsibility uh fiduciary

00:11:04.320 duty if you will uh to ensuring the country is solvent i'm worried that it's not and increasingly

00:11:10.400 as it becomes very clear that the man who was supposed to save us from uh 10 years of bad government by

00:11:16.800 basically serving as leftovers over the past 10 years we're likely to lead it's likely to lead us

00:11:22.400 to a far worse situation because his budget does include major expenses now mark this is something

00:11:27.760 i've heard from two civil servants i've spoken to this since this morning who told me they're hearing

00:11:32.560 uh i won't even mention the departments uh get ready for some cuts and some early retirements and

00:11:38.800 some bio packages that's what's coming next week so uh the elbows up crowd congrats you brought this

00:11:45.760 upon yourselves you cheerfully voted for it and now you're gonna have to pay for it well i think we

00:11:50.160 need to cut the size of the civil service i mean i would hope that carney understands that i mean it's

00:11:56.160 grown what 40 percent over the course of the nine years that the trudeau was in there and it's it

00:12:04.320 continues to balloon services are not improving i mean where are we supposed to come up with the money

00:12:10.080 to pay all these people so they've obviously been doing this to try and pad their employment numbers so

00:12:15.120 the numbers don't look as bad as they did and i think carney is probably lucky that some of these

00:12:22.800 bond rating agencies are as politicized and political as they seem to be i mean don't forget

00:12:27.840 what happened you know as soon as trump got in boom the united states got hit with a credit downgrade

00:12:33.440 you know so you know you're gonna elect a guy like trump we'll show you meantime you know things were no

00:12:40.240 better when biden it was there that he never got a hint or a whiff of a of a credit downgrade maybe

00:12:45.440 that's why you know canada's managed to avoid a credit downgrade up to this point the only explanation

00:12:51.200 that makes sense yeah well you can't invest in a country that can't pay its bills and increasingly

00:12:56.720 if you're terminating the ability to look after itself or as i like to say by hiring civil servants

00:13:02.000 they're good people they work very hard but you know you're in the middle of uh freezing weather the

00:13:07.600 engine doesn't work what are you gonna do uh you put another uh you know light on in the car to wear

00:13:12.720 down the battery that's exactly what we've done the analogy is very simple we don't have an economic

00:13:18.160 growing engine and as a result everything else is now in the final stages of uh whatever we can use

00:13:25.040 including burning the furniture to keep the place warm and speaking of which energy prices are likely to

00:13:30.240 go higher this year not because energy around the world is going through but because we continue to

00:13:34.560 see a weakening canadian dollar 140 pennies to buy us dollar imagine what that's doing to the canadian

00:13:39.920 economy to consumers at a time where many people are finding it impossible to get jobs and those

00:13:44.240 young people who've been trying to find work throughout the summer who are going to university

00:13:48.320 trying to get their education learning the way we did in our generation are now finding we've sold them

00:13:53.280 uh uh you know we've sold them down the river and of course uh this is not going to end very well for a

00:13:58.640 country that uh pretends to say well it should only be the boomers that look after themselves and what's good 0.99

00:14:03.360 for them is good for the country boomers are increasingly going to be moving on into the 1.00

00:14:07.760 afterlife one hopes uh the next generation though we've left stranded and we should be ashamed of

00:14:13.120 ourselves for the not doing it once not doing it twice not doing three times but actually voting to

00:14:18.240 have the same kind of rendition of bad public reckless public policies now for over 10 years in

00:14:23.840 four elections i mean what is it going to take another hole drilled in our heads will it take the

00:14:30.000 demise of the country the the breakdown of the country socially politically and economically to

00:14:35.760 prove that we've made some bad points look folks uh to use a trudeauism it isn't 2015 anymore and we

00:14:41.920 can't afford these kind of luxuries we have to meet reality head-on and if woke institutions aren't

00:14:47.280 prepared to do it then consumers are going to take it into their own hands and say uh we have a choice

00:14:51.840 we either look after ourselves because they sure as hell are going to look after us fortunately for

00:14:56.240 carney he's got a scapegoat handy right everything is trump's fault so i'm sure he'll be they'll be

00:15:02.480 saying that the other question is whether or not there's a possibility this budget bill won't pass

00:15:09.600 i mean you spent 18 years out there i mean you went through this budget process what it took to

00:15:15.520 to get the budgets passed i mean in those years most of the time it was a majority government so it

00:15:19.760 wasn't that difficult but with uh paul martin in there of course you know you have to do some wheeling and

00:15:24.880 dealing and i don't know if mark carney strikes me as the kind of guy who wants to go cap and hand to

00:15:31.360 the new democrats they did have a meeting i don't know how that went but all we did know is and we've

00:15:36.640 spoken about that steve mckinnon house leader came out later and said look you know this is going to be

00:15:41.920 tough without the conservatives in the block voting in favor of our budget i'm not so sure that it'll

00:15:47.680 pass what do you think the scenario i think is likely is the ndp doesn't show up for the vote

00:15:53.200 and that leaves the liberals 169 plus one the green the end and the green elizabeth may can

00:15:59.280 always throw her support behind the liberals that's where she should have been to begin with 0.99

00:16:02.560 or they should have been with her uh so that's 170 to 60 167 so uh that's block liberals with no ndps 0.99

00:16:10.320 showing up to vote so that's likely the scenario um i don't see unless the uh steve mckinnon and the

00:16:16.720 federal liberals are prepared to provide ndp party status so they can get their money back or they can start to

00:16:22.880 have you know mount a semblance of uh campaign with on the floor of the house of commons but

00:16:27.440 short of that um i mean the the liberals now have to try to find some kind of solution because they

00:16:33.760 can't go back on the point they use during the election of saying we in fact got to deal with

00:16:40.560 donald trump and much as you our constituency and our elbows up don't like him and think of him as

00:16:46.560 orange haired man bad whatever the case may be we still managed to do it we showed credibility we

00:16:52.240 said we would campaign on a deal there is no deal and the only deal canadians are going to get is a

00:16:56.960 raw deal on november 4th when they realize just how bad the finances of this country so where are we

00:17:01.680 mark uh we debate that week that we're off the following week for remembrance week remembrance day

00:17:07.360 and remembrance week remembers the day off uh and then right after that the following week i would say

00:17:12.080 between the 18th and the 20th of november we have the ultimate vote in the house of commons um if i

00:17:18.080 were a conservative i would be working very hard to get my candidates organized and i would get my

00:17:23.760 running shoes ready and maybe even my snow shoes i'm going to need this winter but you're you're

00:17:28.960 predicting that the ndp doesn't show up for the vote is that right well the ndp doesn't show up for

00:17:34.640 the vote then there's no problem uh but i i can't see the way out for the ndp although i think we have

00:17:41.120 to be blunt about this if the ndp had actually been able to fight its way out of a wet paper bag in the

00:17:46.720 last election which it couldn't they're likely to get a doubling receipts maybe go from 7 to 14.

00:17:52.080 that will come at the direct expense of the liberals the liberals won because all that ndp

00:17:57.120 collapsed and went to them as did a lot of the green votes uh conservatives won't have to worry

00:18:01.360 about the ndp ever campaigning against them anytime soon because if the ndp has any hope of surviving

00:18:06.400 they better pull those both votes back from the liberal party and that's uh how this next election

00:18:10.800 will play out it's a little getting a little further than we need to but at this stage i don't

00:18:15.840 see a solution if steve mckinnon does solution hello it's uh you just don't do the math and uh this

00:18:22.080 looks like 1979 all all over again when um the clark government uh had hoped that the kids would uh of

00:18:29.520 quebec would uh would support them and they didn't and as a result we won up an election so don't be

00:18:33.760 surprised christmas ho ho ho get ready to go to the poll wow and the ndp i think you know people

00:18:42.000 thinking well they're just cave like they always do but that's why they ended up in the mess they're in

00:18:46.160 that's why they're down to seven seats that's why their vote collapsed because people said well what's

00:18:50.400 the point of supporting ndp when they're just going to be an extension of the liberal party and so

00:18:55.760 they have to change something their philosophy over over there has to change and of course jagmeet

00:19:01.360 singh he's gone and so there may be a very different attitude i'm not counting on it but

00:19:06.560 it's possible that the ndp said look we if we keep just simply backing and propping up the liberal

00:19:12.320 minority government we're going to be wiped out completely next time we have to do something 1.00

00:19:16.880 different and yeah they're broke they don't have money to fight an election but they didn't have any

00:19:20.880 money to fight the last one either you know what i'm saying i don't know we'll just have to see what

00:19:25.520 happens right well the country's broke and uh so the ndp and the uh in the country have something in

00:19:30.880 common we've spent ourselves into oblivion the cupboards are bare there's not much to offer

00:19:35.360 there's no grift to go out there's no new dental programs or other uh programs that will make people

00:19:41.200 happy if anything the existing social programs we have are very much at risk exactly where we're in

00:19:46.480 the 1990s when paul martin said i am not cutting the debt because as an end itself i'm cutting it

00:19:51.840 as a means to an end to serve to save our social programs i'm not hearing that from the liberals what

00:19:56.240 i'm hearing is uh let's keep our foot on the accelerator they have to come up with a lot more

00:19:59.840 money for defense and other programs mark carney's prepared to spend even more than justin trudeau did

00:20:07.120 yeah i think we have a little bit of a frozen camera there with uh with dan mctaig there you are

00:20:16.080 you're back and in one piece disappearing

00:20:24.800 dan thank you so much for coming on the show always a great pleasure chatting with you

00:20:29.120 mark chuck to be here thanks for having me man dan mctaig canadians for affordable energy check them

00:20:34.400 out and that is it for this edition of straight up appreciate you tuning in my friends let's do it

00:20:39.040 again soon shall we bye-bye for now

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Juno News - October 27, 2025

Trump REFUSES to meet with Carney

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