00:03:46.280And, you know, then this as well, coming after Donald Trump tweeting on Truth Social,
00:03:51.700I think it was about a week or two ago now, two weeks ago,
00:03:54.520where he said that he was coming on to the fact that Justin Trudeau and the liberals were using
00:04:02.100Trump derangement syndrome and the tariffs in order to boost them in the polls. And so
00:04:07.480then to have this comment again, where he says things about Polyev that don't really make a
00:04:12.680whole lot of sense. Polyev hasn't said anything harsher about Donald Trump, surely, than that of
00:04:19.220the liberals, the NDP, the Green, or even any of their supporters. And it just seemed kind of odd.
00:04:25.440And, you know, do I think it's going to help them in the polls? It's all about that media spin. You know, I've seen some headlines already today where people are saying that this is a good thing for the liberals because it's showing that, oh, see, Donald Trump, he's not going to he's not going to negotiate with Pierre Polyev because he thinks he's mean, but he he would negotiate with with Mark Carney.
00:04:50.200And to that, I say, does he want to negotiate with Mark Carney or does he think that Mark Carney is weak and the liberals are weak and therefore it'll make his end goal easier?
00:04:59.980And I truly am. I need to get in contact with some people from Trump's team here to be like, what is happening?
00:05:06.160I don't know. Are you trying to help them? Are you actually just speaking off the cusp and this is what you think?
00:05:11.500the whole situation is just so bizarre. Moreover, I'm so disappointed in the landscape of Canadian
00:05:17.500politics where comments like this from the president in the United States could actually
00:05:23.240sway voters one way or another. It's like there's so many other things that are unbelievably
00:05:28.340important that are actual threats to our democracy, our sovereignty, our happiness
00:05:32.880that are happening. And nobody's paying attention to those things because somehow Donald Trump has
00:05:38.000become the driving force of who's to be the next prime minister of the country. And that's so
00:05:42.100disappointing. Well, it was this black swan and moment in Canadian politics, because two months
00:05:47.220ago, Pierre Polyev was cruising to a very easy majority government. And, you know, there was no
00:05:52.980there was no chance that the liberals had had any opportunity to regain the polls with Justin
00:05:58.180Trudeau. And look at how much things have changed in the last two months because Donald Trump. Like
00:06:03.540we went from an election where the ballot box question was going to be cost of living
00:06:08.020and probably carbon taxes to now all that anybody cares about is Donald Trump. So anytime Trump
00:06:13.560mentions Canada, it is like the biggest story in the country and we have to parse through it and
00:06:18.620try to understand. I want to play a bit of a longer clip because, you know, the one that I
00:06:22.720showed earlier of Trump is the one that everyone's talking about and he seems to endorse the liberals
00:06:28.600presumably because he wants Canada to be weaker, right? So it's almost like a reverse endorsement
00:06:34.920saying, yeah, Canada, if you want to become the 51st state, if you want to play into Donald Trump's
00:06:39.740hands, go ahead and vote liberal. And that will basically deliver Canada to Donald Trump. That's
00:06:45.360kind of what he's saying. And you can see it more in the longer exchange. So Laura Ingram,
00:06:50.140to her credit, really pushes back against Donald Trump. So she asks him, like, why are you picking
00:06:55.680on canada he says here's my problem with canada it was meant to be the 51st state and then he talks
00:07:01.120about lumber how we can build we have our own trees we can build our own automobiles we don't
00:07:05.600need canada for trade and then laura ingram says but you're tougher on canada than you are on some
00:07:11.280of our adversaries and trump says only because they're meant to be our 51st state so he's really
00:07:16.720obsessing over this idea that he wants canada to be the 51st state like it's almost like the more
00:07:22.320he says it the more he convinces himself that it is a real thing and then laura ingram pushes back
00:07:27.680and says but look we need access to their territory canada has a territorial advantage and we don't
00:07:33.200want them to get too close to canada which is an obvious point from the american perspective it's
00:07:37.760like if you push canada away you're going to inevitably push them into china's sphere of
00:07:42.560influence which is really really bad for america considering sort of north american security and
00:07:47.520then trump starts sort of going off about how canada's nasty and it's all about justin trudeau
00:07:52.960it's all about how he dislikes justin he dislikes the way that trudeau's team handled the negotiations
00:07:58.880last time around which i think is all very valid concerns i thought that yeah the government were
00:08:03.120incredibly disrespectful and counterproductive in their messaging like they cared so much more
00:08:08.240about bashing the americans and bashing trump to their canadian audience at the time in 2017-18
00:08:14.160negotiating nafta than they did about making a deal with our neighbor and our close and then
00:08:20.960laura and laura ingram and donald trump get into a back and forth about the trade deficit because
00:08:24.640trump repeats 200 billion dollars 200 billion dollars and i don't know where he gets that
00:08:29.520number from and laura ingram saying it's not 200 billion it's 60 billion so let's at least
00:08:33.520you know use the correct number and then he goes back and forth and then trump starts talking about
00:08:37.040how he loves canada and that's when we get it up so we put together a little montage so you can
00:08:41.200sort of see the back and forth this is a little bit of a longer clip that we usually play on the
00:08:45.680show it's about a minute and a half but i think it's worthwhile to show so let's play that clip
00:08:49.440here's my problem with canada canada was meant to be the 51st state because we subsidize canada by
00:08:56.960200 billion dollars a year we don't need their cars we don't need their lumber whatever you're
00:09:02.960tougher with canada than you are with some only because our biggest adversaries only because it's
00:09:36.640And if you look at dairy products, what they've done to our farmers, do you know that Canada has a 250 percent tariff?
00:09:43.740250. Nobody knows that. They charge us numbers that are crazy.
00:09:48.220But we have a very big deficit with Canada. And there's no reason much more.
00:09:53.260We have much more than you say 60 and I say 200. But it doesn't matter.
00:09:57.500So your end game is what with them? My end game is I don't want to have a big deficit.
00:10:01.720I don't want us to pay 60 or 200 billion dollars to a country that if they were a state, it would be cherished.
00:10:09.940And then he goes on about how he loves Canada and he thinks it should be a state.
00:10:13.560And so she's asked, like, what is your end game? And he says it's to end the deficit.
00:10:17.900So the fact that he is endorsing the liberals and saying, I prefer to deal with the liberals because Pierre hasn't been nice to me.
00:10:23.060Again, that's saying that he wants Canada to be weaker so that he can get a better deal to either get rid of that trade surplus or trade deficit for the United States or make Canada the 51st state. So again, I don't think that this is in any way can be twisted as being good for the liberals.
00:10:40.000oh but they're doing it anyway exactly exactly except for the fact that the media will always
00:10:44.240be there to push trump arrangement syndrome and to say that you know well somehow that
00:10:51.240mark carney is possibly the best one to deal with president trump what do you make of it all jasmine
00:10:56.520you know i again it's just that feeling of disappointment more than anything and and to me
00:11:02.520you know not to be too unprofessional but there's that whole like fafo saying that goes around and
00:11:08.880I feel like the liberals have been seeing some of that right now. You know, you had the Trudeau
00:11:13.840government who, quite honestly, it's bizarre to me, all of these conversations about, oh,
00:11:19.100our democracy, our sovereignty. Meanwhile, I'm like, you completely disrespected the democratic
00:11:24.700right of the American people, of the president of the United States during the period of time
00:11:29.740that he was no longer president. You never thought that he was going to win again. And so you used
00:11:35.940that opportunity over the last number of years to smear him and make these illogical comparisons
00:11:41.560of Canada's conservatives, which by all accounts are not even remotely close to Republicans.
00:11:49.120And you use that opportunity to create this fear in your nation that simply doesn't exist. There's
00:11:55.040no real reason why any of it needs to exist that I've been able to find thus far. And you didn't
00:12:00.420think he was going to win. And guess what? He did. And that's probably why Trudeau's on stage
00:12:05.280almost tearing up. It wasn't supposed to be like this. America had their chance to vote their first
00:12:11.200women, blah, blah, blah, as he proceeds to then go and crown Mark Carney as the Supreme Leader
00:12:16.320of Canada. But, you know, the whole situation, I think, has just been so overblown. It's so
00:12:22.820illogical. And it's just unbelievable and deeply concerning as well, the narratives being crafted
00:12:28.900from it all. And I do believe personally that I think that that I don't know that that was
00:12:34.800necessarily an endorsement, but it kind of was at the same time. But I think moreover, the biggest
00:12:41.880picture here is, okay, well, Donald Trump is saying that he wants to annex Canada, essentially.
00:12:47.120That's the language, right, that people are putting out there. And he's saying that him
00:12:52.640getting what he wants will be easier to achieve under a liberal government. Oh, the conservatives
00:12:57.980haven't been very nice to me. And that's just a bizarre comment to make to begin with. And so I
00:13:04.100think the bigger picture that people need to focus on here is, okay, well, listen, if you don't like
00:13:09.580Donald Trump, well, you should probably like Pierre Polyev and the conservatives then because
00:13:14.540apparently Donald Trump doesn't view them as somebody who he can just stomp all over. He views
00:13:21.400them as somebody with a bit more of a spine. But of course, you have the mainstream media not at
00:13:27.240all portraying that message. And instead, I've seen so many bizarre takes on this story since
00:13:31.820it since it broke of people who are using it as oh see this is why team carney i'm like what is
00:13:37.420happening in this country i don't understand what is wrong with the minds of some people who cannot
00:13:42.700see this bigger picture well it's one of those things that had it been reversed so say donald
00:13:47.820trump had come out and said i don't like the liberals i prefer conservatives i want the
00:13:51.580conservatives to win then the media would have spun that as if you imagine is a mega and and
00:13:56.940the reason that they want is because they want to turn north america into like the hands-made
00:14:01.020detail or something. And so it's like either way, whatever Trump says, the media and the
00:14:06.860Liberal Party will go into like complete spin mode to use that to promote Mark Carney and to
00:14:11.940criticize Pierre Polyev. But then I have seen a lot of criticism of Pierre Polyev on the political
00:14:17.080right as well. We've talked about this before on the show that people wish that he had made a message
00:14:22.160that was just different than the Liberals. Like right now, when it comes to Trump and trade,
00:14:26.760There's not much daylight between the Liberals and the Conservatives, even with the retaliatory
00:14:31.560tariffs that both parties agree that we need to implement.
00:14:35.500I personally think that tariffs are a terrible idea and a much better approach would have
00:14:39.380been to try to negotiate with Trump and to try to say, look, Donald Trump is raising
00:14:52.160Let's use this as an opportunity to make Canada better and fix so many of the mistakes
00:14:55.360that dustin trudeau made over the last decade instead we kind of have this who's going to say
00:14:59.920who's going to be the bigger you know who's going to push back against donald trump more
00:15:04.240and who's going to dump their chest harder and wrap themselves in the canadian flag
00:15:07.760more and so we saw more of that from pier poliev so in response to trump's comment this morning
00:15:13.520poliev went on to x and he wrote the following he said last night president donald trump endorsed
00:15:18.320mark carney why because as trump said he's easier to deal with and knows that i will be a tough
00:15:24.000negotiator and always put canada first carney is weak and would cave to trump's demands just like
00:15:29.200he did when he moved his company headquarter from canada to new york city canadians don't want a
00:15:33.840weak and conflicted leader they want a strong prime minister who will put canada first pierre
00:15:39.280polyev was speaking at a press conference in sudbury ontario and he basically just said the
00:15:44.160same thing i won't play the clips but he basically just repeated um that message so jasmine do you
00:15:48.960you think that that is a appropriate response and do you think it will help peer poly of
00:15:53.200well i personally enjoyed the response um but having said that i do think a lot of people are
00:15:58.480tired of hearing about some of the same talking points when it comes to mark carney do i think
00:16:03.520it will help him not particularly i've i have been feeling um i just don't i don't know that
00:16:10.720the response i assumed the conservative party would have to all of this has certainly not been
00:16:15.360met i it's bizarre to me and i understand of course we have this canada first we have this
00:16:21.040this unbelievable trump derangement syndrome that's the best way to describe it where
00:16:26.400as a party leader it really does appear that donald trump is going to be the winning ballot
00:16:31.600question really um which is really unfortunate and there are so many other things that
00:16:37.840conservatives traditionally would do that they just haven't they have kind of just mimicked a
00:16:42.960lot of the same talking points and it's bizarre to me that no party at all has said we're going
00:16:49.920to work with donald trump to make sure that we maintain all of this rather the conversation is
00:16:56.320is about oh well you know we're gonna we're gonna keep doing all the same stuff that we're doing
00:17:01.360um and we're just we're gonna ask you know donald trump to to not say those things anymore because
00:17:07.120it's not true it's just it is i don't know the response back from all parties has has felt very
00:17:13.520weak to me and not productive it really it's just the longest story of all time at this point the
00:17:20.800fact that we here we are how many months later since we first got got word of this and the same
00:17:27.040the same things are being said from both parties is beyond me like somebody needs to actually
00:17:31.840come to the table finally and say, yeah, we're not going to tax our citizens even more. How many
00:17:38.260reports have we heard of other industries as well coming out saying that the Trump tariffs will hurt,
00:17:43.340but the Canadian tariffs are going to hurt them so much more in terms of their industry. And it's
00:17:49.640a tough spot to be in. I understand that politically. But also, I think it's really
00:17:54.580important to recognize the bigger picture here. And you're never going to win this by just
00:17:59.060reiterating the same things and, oh, we're just going to tear a few back. That's silly. We need
00:18:03.180to actually come to the table. And what do you want, Mr. Trump? Here's what we want. Okay,
00:18:09.940let's get some of those negotiations going. Because I don't know why some people may call
00:18:15.280me silly, but I still have quite a hard time believing that this is actually about Donald
00:18:20.180Trump wanting to annex Canada. There is no way Donald Trump would want even more Democrats
00:18:26.220in the United States. Well, exactly. I mean, I like I tend to think that at first he said it as
00:18:32.920a joke. And then the more he said it, the more he started to convince himself that it's true that
00:18:37.060Canada, you know, we rely entirely on American trade and American defense. And so if we don't
00:18:43.420have like our own market that we can survive without American trade and we can't defend
00:18:48.640ourselves and Canadian politics is built upon everybody bashing the Americans and the smug
00:18:54.540anti-Americanism that exists mostly in Laurentian Canada, but certainly among the elites in politics
00:19:00.660and the media. And it's like, why would they put up with that? And it is interesting to see. Now,
00:19:05.920I want to shift gears a little bit here, Desmond, and talk about Mark Carney, because he was in
00:19:09.280Europe. And it was a little strange, right? He becomes prime minister over the weekend. He gets
00:19:13.700sworn in on Friday. And the very first thing he does is head to Europe, which is not something
00:19:18.140a Canadian prime minister would typically do, right? The Americans are our closest and most
00:19:22.260important ally and partner and we're having a dispute with them, you would think he would go
00:19:26.240down to Washington or even better, you would think he would just stay in Canada. Like he just became
00:19:29.860prime minister and you'd think he'd like go and do events in his own country. But instead he jets
00:19:34.120off to Europe and we covered this extensively on the show yesterday, but I just want to
00:19:38.120reiterate a few points. So I think that Mark Carney did this because he wanted to appear like
00:19:43.920he was shifting away from the Americans and say, look, I can rely on all of my old alliances and
00:19:49.280friendships, when I was the governor of the Bank of England, and when I was a chairman of the World
00:19:53.440Economic Forum, and when I was a special envoy to the United Nations, look at my fancy elite
00:19:57.860globalist friends. I'm going to go over there and sort of flex my globalist muscles. And he said,
00:20:04.340actually, interestingly, he said that we don't need another country to validate our sovereignty.
00:20:09.080So presumably a dig on the Americans. I think he wanted to shift focus to Europe. But the only
00:20:13.720problem is that the Europeans didn't want any of it. They weren't having any of it. And so Mark
00:20:18.300Kearney, first he lands in Paris, France to meet with Emmanuel Macron. Macron couldn't be bothered
00:20:24.160to go meet him at the airport. So instead, he's met by some deputy of the National Assembly,
00:20:29.160like a lower level political person, which I think was a snub. And it was embarrassing to
00:20:34.100Kearney because it showed that, you know, the president of France couldn't even be bothered
00:20:37.760to go meet him. And then he moves on and he goes to England and he meets with King Charles. He meets
00:20:45.700with UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer, but Keir Starmer refuses to do a joint press conference
00:20:50.720with him. He refuses, Keir Starmer refuses to take any questions. And the way that the British
00:20:54.880press were reporting it was because Keir Starmer is dealing with his own sort of feud with the
00:21:00.160Americans. And I think he thought that appearing with Mark Carney would make him look bad in front
00:21:05.440of the Americans. And so he was like trying to distance himself from Mark Carney. So I'm going
00:21:09.120to play a clip. This is from Sky News reporting in the UK, explaining Mark Carney's visit and why
00:21:14.500the UK basically just didn't want to have a public event with him. Let's show that clip.
00:21:19.860Mark Carney, Canada's new prime minister back in London, strengthening old alliances as his
00:21:25.040country comes under sustained economic and political attack from its American neighbour.
00:21:34.660He was looking for firm support from his British counterpart.
00:21:38.760we're at a point in history where the world is being reordered and your leadership the leadership
00:21:46.040of the uk i think can be decisive there were warm words from starmer the relationship between our
00:21:52.840two countries has always been strong to sovereign allies so much in common but no joint press
00:22:01.320conference the british prime minister wasn't taking questions he has our own relationship
00:22:07.080with the U.S. to think about? So Mark Carney is sort of a liability and he wasn't met with open
00:22:13.200arms. He wasn't able to negotiate any kind of deal in Europe. So he left Europe empty-handed with no
00:22:18.580trade deal, no new relationship, nothing to show for himself. And the only thing that did happen
00:22:25.020was he had that embarrassing feud with his own doting press, like the people who were on his
00:22:30.980side, like Rosemary Barton of the CBC, you know, speaking very condescendingly to them and sort of
00:22:37.040unnecessarily picking a fight with him. So from my perspective, Mark Carney's entire trip to
00:22:41.720London, to England was a total disaster. He came home empty handed. And that that is really a story
00:22:48.020that our prime minister wasn't able to deliver on anything. You know, he went to Europe. Yeah,
00:22:53.940he went to Europe to try to show that we don't need Americans. And he came back with basically
00:22:58.240the idea that we actually do need the Americans because nobody else wants to be our partner.
00:23:03.020what do you think of all that? I have so many thoughts about that and things that I'm
00:23:08.000potentially nitpicking just a little bit too much. But I think in general, of course, it is important
00:23:13.480for a new leader to go and meet all of your allies around the world, obviously. The fact that it was
00:23:21.020Europe and it wasn't, I don't know, maybe China to help with the 100% tariffs that the media is
00:23:27.640simply just not outraged about at all that is going to absolutely wipe out a lot of industry
00:23:32.900in the prairies, especially. That's bizarre. It's bizarre that it wasn't with the U.S. I think
00:23:38.100I think overall, I don't think that Donald Trump would take Mark Carney seriously at this point
00:23:42.440until he wins a federal election. So perhaps that could have something to do with it as well.
00:23:48.300The one thing that I will say, and this is me potentially just nitpicking a little much,
00:23:54.120is the fact that, you know, you have Donald Trump who has been going after everybody. It's not just
00:24:00.480Canada. It's far from just Canada. And one thing that Donald Trump has been very, very particular
00:24:05.960about has been to remove the elites, the globalist initiatives and agendas out of America. And in
00:24:14.760that same timeframe, you have Mark Carney, who is elected, who certainly if you do some research,
00:24:20.140you can put some pieces together there and then you also have the leaders in both france and the
00:24:25.260uk who are all a part of the same types of organizations and it's really fascinating to me
00:24:31.100and perhaps this is just something more to think about that our prime minister mark carney rather
00:24:37.820than going to mend relationships with something that's going to hurt our economy even more he
00:24:43.500he decided to go and, I don't know, hang out with, I guess, for a few days, some other leaders whose
00:24:50.540countries economically and culturally are very much in the same disaster that ours are. And,
00:24:57.560you know, they say, oh, we're going to change things. Well, it doesn't sound like you are
00:25:01.600actually. And here we are again, you go, you go down and of course, you know, cool. He used to
00:25:06.460live there. He's already, he knows King Charles. He used to be in their, their box over at Wimbledon.
00:25:13.500And so it's just interesting to me that he goes there and you don't have a single country coming to Canada's defense publicly at all.
00:25:22.860And then on top of that, I feel like it almost just further drives the wedge in between Canada and the USA.
00:25:31.340And I don't understand what the purpose was.
00:25:33.480I think it was a massive waste of dollars.
00:25:35.360not to mention the fact that Justin Trudeau and Melanie Jolie were both in those exact same
00:25:40.420regions weeks ago discussing the exact same things. So what was the point? Exactly what was
00:25:47.940the point other than he came home empty-handed like if he had accomplished something you know
00:25:51.140the media would be praising singing his praises and talking about how wonderful he is but he came
00:25:55.860back I want to read from Dan Knight who is a writer and we've had him on the show before
00:26:00.100he wrote this on Substack he wrote that Mark Carney's European delegation was a total disaster
00:26:05.040came back with no trade deals, no answers on his financial conflicts, which we'll get to later in
00:26:09.460the show, and no real plan on Trump's tariffs, just more lies, gaslighting, and excuses. And
00:26:16.900one of the things that Dan highlights in that piece, Jasmine, is this exchange where Mark Carney
00:26:23.180is talking about how we don't need another country to validate our sovereignty. So why would he say
00:26:28.940that? Like, obviously, that's the case. But I think the idea was that he was looking for another
00:26:34.440country to validate our sovereignty. He was hoping that the UK and France would validate
00:26:38.940our sovereignty, but instead they don't want anything to do with us under Mark Carney because
00:26:42.600maybe they see him as an illegitimate leader. He hasn't been elected by the people. He has no
00:26:46.300business leading the country. We should have a general election, but he's too afraid to.
00:26:51.180So let's quickly play this clip of Mark Carney saying we don't need another country to validate
00:26:56.220our sovereignty. We don't need another country to validate our sovereignty. We are sovereign.
00:27:02.140We can diversify our trading relationships, we can build new trading corridors, and we can fully realize what Canada is, which is an energy superpower in both clean and conventional energy. And that's exactly what we're going to do.
00:27:15.820I mean, if that's the case, you don't actually have to say it, right?
00:27:18.640I was just thinking that. Yeah, I was just thinking that like if that was the case and these tariffs, yeah, sure, they're going to suck for some industries in particular. But if that was the case, you wouldn't have to say every sentence over the last number of months now with that being an opening line. It's just so silly to me. And, you know, for him, oh, we are so rich in our resources and energy and blah, blah. No, we are not because you have you have intentionally put so many measures
00:27:48.520in place to ensure that we don't have access to those things at all and then oh yeah we're you
00:27:55.560know even this too he goes on all the time oh yeah we're gonna build pipelines he says it in
00:27:59.720english not in french he did that again just two days ago if i'm not mistaken and then you put
00:28:04.520steven guibo as the the leader of quebec essentially not actually but i don't remember what the actual
00:28:10.760title was um but then you put him there and it's like okay great so i guess we're just never getting
00:28:15.560pipelines, I suppose. And it's just the entire response to this situation has been nothing but
00:28:22.080weakness. And I fault all parties for that. Because if this wasn't an issue, if you were a
00:28:27.460very strong country that was very united, you weren't in a post-national state where you had
00:28:33.540increasing unemployment rates, increasing homelessness rates, and all of these awful
00:28:38.700things that are just destroying our society. If you really were what you claim to be,
00:28:43.960the moment that Donald Trump would have said that it would have been met with a laugh and you would
00:28:48.340have just like what a stupid thing to say and you would have never given it attention and do you
00:28:52.060want to know what would have happened if you never gave it attention I'm willing to bet Donald Trump
00:28:55.980likely still wouldn't be saying that but you gave it so much attention you ran on it and that's why
00:29:01.460the situation has gotten so much worse because you're you're using that almost for political
00:29:05.100points and unfortunately it's working well you're right and just even the idea like I think that
00:29:11.580Mark Carney really has benefited from Donald Trump. He should be sending flowers to Donald
00:29:16.780Trump, thanking him for making Trump the biggest issue in the campaign, because then it allows
00:29:21.960Mark Carney to come back on this. Like I'm a trusted hand. Look at what I've done for the
00:29:25.280economy. Of course, when we look into those claims, they're not entirely true. Like he claimed
00:29:29.540that he helped Paul Martin balance the budget. And so he was a university student when Paul
00:29:34.300Martin balanced the budget and he didn't live in Canada. He became a banker for Goldman Sachs
00:29:37.980between Hong Kong, Tokyo, and New York.
00:42:12.660that we know call up members of the press all the time
00:42:16.080and yell at them if they ask questions or if they write headlines that the Liberals don't approve
00:42:21.300of. We've been reporting on that for years at True North and Juneau News. That's how Ottawa works.
00:42:26.480And I just want to throw in one more story into the mix here, Jasmine, which is that in the middle
00:42:31.480of all this, Pierre Polyev announced that the Conservative Party will not invite members of
00:42:38.240legacy media onto the campaign plane and campaign bus during the upcoming election. So it's widely
00:42:43.840rumored that we are going to be heading into an election as soon as this weekend. And so everybody's
00:42:48.980getting ready. All the campaigns are getting ready. People are gearing up. And in the midst of that,
00:42:53.640we got an email that was sent to the media from Jenny Byrne. Jenny Byrne is the national campaign
00:42:58.660manager for the Conservative Party. And she basically just says, well, read from it, says,
00:43:03.640hello, I'm writing to you today to update you on the plan for the Conservative Party campaign.
00:43:08.040We want to first stress that we'll be running a campaign that ensures strong, fair and equitable
00:43:11.820media access, as you're aware, costs for travel have risen considerably. At the same time,
00:43:16.420so is the capacity for digital and remote access to public events. And then she just goes on to
00:43:21.080say that there will not be a media contingent on a conservative bus or plane, though we welcome
00:43:28.800and encourage participation at all public events. So for those who might not understand what this
00:43:34.220is all about, during a national campaign, even during provincial campaigns, each party will
00:43:39.820travel around the country or the province in sometimes in a plane, sometimes in a bus. And
00:43:44.300as a journalist, as a member of the media, you can pay and it's quite a hefty fee. You pay
00:43:49.060thousands, sometimes tens of thousands of dollars to embed yourself into the campaign so that you
00:43:54.000can travel so that you can get extra special access to the party leader and go around to events
00:43:58.880and then you go and write about them. And so this has just sort of been part of Canadian politics
00:44:03.200for a very long time. And well within their prerogative, well within their rights, the
00:44:07.020Conservatives are saying, no, we don't want the legacy media on the inside. We don't want them
00:44:11.140following us around. We don't want them to have this kind of special access to us. We would
00:44:15.640actually rather just go around the country and talk to Canadians and talk to local journalists.
00:44:20.020So if we are in Manitoba, we want to talk to the reporters from Manitoba. If we're in Newfoundland,
00:44:25.160we want to talk to the reporters from Newfoundland. We don't need these Ottawa journalists who,
00:44:29.860let's be real, they all hate the Conservatives. None of them will be voting for the Conservatives.
00:44:34.200They will be going out of their way to nitpick Pierre Polyev, to look at him with a microscope, to try to create a scandal over anything that he does, anything possibly that he does.
00:44:45.040This is exactly what they did with Andrew Scheer, is what they did before that with Stephen Harper.
00:44:50.100To a lesser extent, Aaron O'Toole, I think Aaron O'Toole was his own problem in the 2021 campaign, but still the media were going out of their way.
00:44:56.980I just remember one thing, I think there was a video at some point where Aaron O'Toole had gone
00:45:03.460for a run and then he came home and he asked his wife to get him a beer so that they could like
00:45:08.100sit and have a relaxing evening. And the media made a huge story about it. Oh my goodness,
00:45:11.860how dare this man ask his wife to get him a beer? What a sexist, what a horrible person.
00:45:17.060You know what the media does. They do it. They always do it. They do it time and time again.
00:45:20.260And so, you know what, good for the Conservatives, good for Pierre Polyev to say, you know what,
00:45:24.660you're not invited you're not allowed you can't come on our plane you can't come on our bus and
00:45:28.340just to remind the viewer that the liberals do this all the time right it was andrew lawton
00:45:32.660reporting for true north we wanted to embed him on the liberal campaign in 2019 we're willing
00:45:37.140to pay the money we're willing to do everything they openly allowed all the other media outlets
00:45:41.140to do it and they said no to true north because they didn't like andrew lawton or because they
00:45:44.820believed that you know independent media shouldn't be on the campaign we ended up suing the true
00:45:49.860to a government during that campaign. We won, and so Andrew Lawton eventually did get to go and ask
00:45:54.500questions of the Prime Minister. But the Liberals do this stuff all the time. Nobody cares. The
00:45:58.660Conservatives did it, and oh my goodness, did the media lose their mind. So just a few examples here.
00:46:04.180We had Toronto Star columnist Althea Raj writing about it on X, just saying that it won't happen,
00:46:11.380and oh my goodness, how dare they, basically. Paul Wells also wrote about it on Substack. Paul Wells
00:46:17.300sort of said that well it's up to them they don't have to do it if they don't want to they probably
00:46:22.020should but they but they won't um but lots and lots of reactions from the legacy media uh clutching
00:46:27.700the pearls and condemning the conservatives for not allowing them to do this i you know i wouldn't
00:46:33.300be surprised jasmine if the liberals do the same thing if the liberals just say yeah we're not going
00:46:36.980to allow with mark carney yeah probably given how bad he is at this and every time he talks to the
00:46:41.380press he you know steps in it i think that maybe we'll have a campaign where the legacy media and
00:46:46.660the ottawa press gallery is just completely blocked out from both sides which i think would
00:46:50.740be kind of fitting and deserving and entertaining what do you think i i do definitely agree with that
00:46:56.980i think it's weird just solely because it's it's such a almost tradition i suppose i certainly
00:47:02.260understand the motive behind it um and and again you know it's not that he's running and hiding
00:47:07.460from anything it's that they're they're doing a big campaign tour and you know that's maybe i
00:47:13.140I don't want to have CTV news misquoting me, uh, with everything that they hear me say behind the
00:47:18.180scenes. Um, and I think that that is definitely very fair. I think if Mark Carney doesn't do
00:47:23.420that, it'll probably end very poorly for him. Uh, so I almost kind of hope that he does allow
00:47:27.900the press on, on his, but, uh, you know, I think as a whole, um, one thing, if I could say anything
00:47:34.020at all to the conservative party of Canada, it would be, you know, if you're choosing to do this
00:47:39.220great i i understand it okay but also you should really really be be speaking up more on on
00:47:46.340independent uh podcasts independent sources things like that it's so so imperative because if you
00:47:52.900aren't going to have the mainstream legacy media with you during those moments where perhaps they
00:47:57.460won't go to your events maybe they won't know about them or they'll lie and say that they didn't
00:48:00.820know about them and then you won't get as much coverage as other candidates who do allow them to
00:48:05.460come by it's going to be more important than ever to get people to to get to know you you know and
00:48:10.100i think too um the conservative party has been smeared and lied about and there's been so much
00:48:15.460misguided disingenuous uh publications about them and stories about them and i think it's
00:48:20.820about time that canadians stop believing every single thing that a headline reads um and and
00:48:27.940that you know there's more of a more of a taking advantage i suppose of the amount of people like
00:48:34.500yourself myself and so many others um who would absolutely love to have a sit-down conversation
00:48:39.780and i just think that that could be really beneficial um especially if they're choosing
00:48:43.860not to have media that will be reporting on them uh in a little bit more of a casual behind the
00:48:49.620scenes way right like in a non-adversarial way like let's get to know the leader of the party
00:48:55.380better let's get to know him in maybe different settings and environments other than just you know
00:49:00.260political interviews. I think that's absolutely right. If anyone from Pierre Polyev's team is
00:49:04.020watching, we would love to have Pierre Polyev back on this show. I know that Jasmine Lang would love
00:49:08.320to have him on her show. So definitely, we'd like to see him go out there and do more interviews.
00:49:12.900All right, Jasmine, thank you so much for joining the show. It's been great to have you.
00:49:15.560That is Jasmine Lang. Go check out her YouTube page. It's really good, really entertaining.
00:49:19.720And that's all the time we have for today. Thank you so much for joining us. We'll be back again
00:49:23.260tomorrow with all the news. I'm Candace Malcolm. This is the Candace Malcolm Show. Thank you and