Juno News - February 06, 2024


Turns out Trudeau sent an invitation to the Nazi veteran after all


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Length

35 minutes

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173.20308

Word Count

6,152

Sentence Count

102

Misogynist Sentences

8

Hate Speech Sentences

17


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Welcome to Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show.
00:00:05.580 This is the Andrew Lawton Show, brought to you by True North.
00:00:12.880 Hello and welcome to you all, Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show.
00:00:16.840 Here, the Andrew Lawton Show on True North on this Tuesday, February 6, 2024.
00:00:22.560 Last day on the road, last day in the old Klaus Schwab chair.
00:00:25.820 I was joking yesterday, I should bring one to the home studio now.
00:00:28.900 The home studio is feeling awfully barren now that I've been able to broadcast from
00:00:32.280 this monstrosity of a furniture piece for the last week and a bit.
00:00:37.940 But nevertheless, thank you so much for tolerating the less than usual quality of the program.
00:00:45.160 Hopefully the content rose to the typical standard, but I know I have to deal with a less than superior,
00:00:51.860 I guess that makes it inferior.
00:00:53.360 Don't mind me, my words are going to be left with the chair by the time I'm done here.
00:00:56.700 But I have to deal with not the grade A equipment that I try to use on the show normally.
00:01:01.620 But nevertheless, I wanted to remind you, tomorrow we'll be having on the show a sit-down with
00:01:06.740 Premier Danielle Smith talking about the big parental rights policy.
00:01:10.100 But I have to start off with one of the more unsurprising news stories to come out this week,
00:01:16.120 but still one very worth mentioning.
00:01:18.180 But before we get there, I want to go back a few months.
00:01:21.100 I know the news cycle can be very whiplash-inducing.
00:01:24.140 You can forget things once 48 or 72 hours have elapsed and we've moved on to the next outrage.
00:01:29.300 But do you remember this moment in Canadian political history?
00:01:32.980 We have here in the chamber today Ukrainian-Canadians, Ukrainian-Canadian world veteran from the Second World War
00:01:42.340 who fought the Ukrainian independence against the Russians
00:01:45.700 and continues to support the troops today, even at his age of 98.
00:01:52.020 He's a Ukrainian hero, a Canadian hero, and we thank him for all his service.
00:02:03.000 Thank you.
00:02:03.400 Yeah, that was the House of Commons being led to give a standing ovation for Mr. Yaroslav Hanka
00:02:23.380 who is, as if you read between the lines of what Speaker Anthony Roda said there, is a Nazi veteran.
00:02:30.280 He fought with the Galicia division.
00:02:33.140 It was a Ukrainian division, but it was one that aligned itself with the SS.
00:02:38.220 Now, I don't want to rehash all of the discussion we had on this months ago.
00:02:42.200 This was a profoundly embarrassing moment for Canada.
00:02:45.200 It was profoundly embarrassing for Volodymyr Zelensky, who gave his enemies a propaganda win
00:02:50.120 because he was right up there clapping alongside Chrystia Freeland, Justin Trudeau, Pierre Polyev, Jagmeet Singh,
00:02:55.600 all of the members of Parliament.
00:02:56.860 No one was in the clear on this.
00:02:59.520 Now, people should have known better who knew the history.
00:03:03.460 I mean, Chrystia Freeland, I don't think she had any excuse to not immediately know, hang on,
00:03:07.520 if he fought against the Soviets in World War II, that maybe I'm just going to sit down.
00:03:13.260 Speaker Anthony Roda, you can kind of tell, is putting it together as he's introducing the guy,
00:03:19.260 but oh no, he's a hero.
00:03:20.880 He's a great, great hero.
00:03:22.080 We're going to applaud him.
00:03:22.920 Well, this, you may recall, caused days and days of controversy.
00:03:26.900 I actually have access to information requests about this that are still outstanding,
00:03:30.960 trying to get a little bit more of the information about what went on there.
00:03:35.320 Anthony Roda was the fall guy.
00:03:37.380 Justin Trudeau apologized and completely just threw him under the bus.
00:03:41.760 In a few moments, I will address the House in front of all Canadians,
00:03:46.260 in front of Jewish people here and around the world, and Ukrainians,
00:03:50.640 to offer Parliament's unreserved apologies for what happened on Friday.
00:03:56.000 The Speaker was solely responsible for the invitation and recognition of this man
00:04:01.400 and has wholly accepted that responsibility and stepped down.
00:04:05.940 This was a mistake that has deeply embarrassed Parliament and Canada.
00:04:11.640 All of us who were in this House on Friday regret deeply having stood and clapped,
00:04:17.920 even though we did so unaware of the context.
00:04:21.240 It was a horrendous violation of the memory of the millions of people who died in the Holocaust,
00:04:26.560 and it was deeply, deeply painful for Jewish people.
00:04:31.660 It also hurt Polish people, Roma people, 2SLGBTQI plus people,
00:04:37.520 disabled people, racialized people,
00:04:39.680 and the many millions who were targeted by the Nazi genocide.
00:04:44.640 Yeah, in true Trudeopian fashion, this was all a learning opportunity for us.
00:04:49.200 Now, believe it or not, I've never applauded a Nazi in the House of Commons,
00:04:52.520 but somehow this whole ordeal was a learning experience for me.
00:04:56.560 It was a learning experience for you as well,
00:04:58.740 yet you, you, you, you, all of you, you didn't do it,
00:05:01.420 but it was a learning experience and a learning opportunity for you.
00:05:05.420 Well, all of this brings us to where we are right now.
00:05:08.420 Anthony Roda, the Speaker of the House of Commons at the time, resigned.
00:05:12.380 He resigned in disgrace.
00:05:14.140 He went back to being some lowly backbench Liberal Member of Parliament.
00:05:17.840 He was the fall guy for the whole thing.
00:05:20.840 He had said, oh no, I made the decision alone.
00:05:23.200 I did this.
00:05:23.860 This was his apology.
00:05:25.900 I reiterate my profound regret for my error in recognizing an individual in the House
00:05:31.260 during the joint address to Parliament of President Zelensky.
00:05:35.240 I accept full responsibility for my actions.
00:05:39.040 My resignation is effective at the end of the sitting day tomorrow,
00:05:42.940 Wednesday, September 27th,
00:05:44.880 to allow preparations for the election of a new speaker.
00:05:47.800 I won't play the clips, but Conservative members of Parliament tried to throw him a bone.
00:05:53.220 They tried to say, hang on, I think you're covering for Justin Trudeau.
00:05:57.160 I don't actually think you should have be,
00:05:59.840 you should be the one taking all the blame here.
00:06:02.320 That was what they said.
00:06:03.260 And basically, the Liberal government's position was that,
00:06:06.060 no, no, no, it was just the Speaker.
00:06:07.940 Nobody else had anything to do with it.
00:06:09.960 That's it.
00:06:11.200 Well, bring us forward to now.
00:06:14.020 This week, news comes out that it was the Prime Minister's office
00:06:16.900 who invited Yaroslav Hunka to attend a reception for Volodymyr Zelensky in Toronto.
00:06:25.060 So they took Yaroslav Hunka on the road.
00:06:26.680 It wasn't enough for him to just be in the gallery of the House of Commons.
00:06:29.700 They also invited him to a Toronto reception at the rally
00:06:33.220 honoring Volodymyr Zelensky in Toronto.
00:06:36.400 This was an invitation that came from the Prime Minister's office.
00:06:40.620 This is courtesy of our friends over at Rebel News.
00:06:43.120 They got an access to information request back.
00:06:45.740 I guess they worded it better than I may have worded mine
00:06:48.840 if they got it more quickly,
00:06:49.840 or maybe they got a couple days of lead time from me on this.
00:06:53.920 But the thing about this access to information request
00:06:56.480 is that it reveals plain as day
00:06:58.000 that Justin Trudeau sent the invitation through the Office of Protocol.
00:07:02.620 This was an official invitation courtesy of the Prime Minister of Canada.
00:07:07.320 Now, the PMO, of course, has outsourced this to the Ukrainian-Canadian Congress.
00:07:11.580 They were the ones who put forward members of the Ukrainian-Canadian community
00:07:16.720 that ended up getting invitations.
00:07:18.760 They said, oh, well, hundreds of Canadians were invited.
00:07:21.320 They've tried to downplay it.
00:07:22.800 Hundreds of Canadians were invited.
00:07:25.100 The individual in question's name was submitted
00:07:27.220 by the Ukrainian-Canadian Congress.
00:07:29.720 By the way, he didn't even go.
00:07:31.940 Knowing what is known now,
00:07:33.880 the individual shouldn't have been invited.
00:07:36.100 But none of this really matters.
00:07:39.160 The Prime Minister's office has had since September
00:07:41.300 when this whole thing blew up to fess up and say,
00:07:44.020 oh, yeah, and by the way,
00:07:45.160 we invited him to this thing in Toronto.
00:07:47.900 He didn't go, but we invited him.
00:07:49.520 So it isn't just Anthony Roda's job.
00:07:51.740 But if Anthony Roda had to resign and apologize
00:07:54.920 and resign in disgrace for his role in this,
00:07:59.020 why should Justin Trudeau not have to do the same?
00:08:01.880 After all, Anthony Roda was never accused
00:08:04.460 of deliberately inviting a Nazi.
00:08:06.560 It was accidental.
00:08:07.540 It was not doing his due diligence.
00:08:09.300 But it's that same error in judgment
00:08:11.580 that we can now put at Justin Trudeau's feet
00:08:13.880 by the Prime Minister's office's own information,
00:08:17.740 its own documents, its own data.
00:08:20.300 So here we have proof that once and for all,
00:08:23.440 Justin Trudeau did know about Yaroslav Hanca,
00:08:26.820 did extend an invitation,
00:08:28.520 and is very lucky that Yaroslav Hanca
00:08:31.440 didn't happen to take him up on it
00:08:32.740 because I'm pretty confident
00:08:33.600 there would have been some grinning picture
00:08:35.300 of the Nazi veteran with Justin Trudeau
00:08:37.680 and Volodymyr Zelensky
00:08:39.220 that would have made absolutely everyone look terrible.
00:08:41.980 Now, I had a view on this matter a few months ago
00:08:44.940 that was not as extreme or radical
00:08:47.460 as some of my colleagues in the media.
00:08:50.340 I said, look, I think that it's very difficult
00:08:52.240 and I think war is very difficult
00:08:53.640 and I understand how someone in that situation
00:08:56.880 may have decided that the enemy of their enemy
00:08:59.040 was his friend.
00:09:01.500 But that's not Canada's problem
00:09:02.960 and it's not Canada's position
00:09:04.740 and Canada should not be in the habit
00:09:06.160 of celebrating Nazis
00:09:07.360 just because we think the enemy of our enemy
00:09:09.640 is our friend.
00:09:10.320 Sometimes the enemy of your enemy is still a Nazi
00:09:13.080 and it was people that wanted to whitewash
00:09:15.860 that part of history
00:09:16.760 in the name of this Ukrainian nationalist fervor
00:09:19.520 that were the reason so many people
00:09:22.040 were prepared to overlook the very atrocities
00:09:24.840 that many people in this division
00:09:27.320 I'm not laying that at hunker's feet
00:09:28.940 but the people in the division in which he fought
00:09:31.140 were complicit in
00:09:32.700 and there are several people in the Canadian government
00:09:34.660 who could have and should have known better
00:09:36.040 not all of them have a particularly great knowledge
00:09:39.400 of history
00:09:40.220 but I don't believe for a moment
00:09:41.960 that Chrystia Freeland did not know the history
00:09:44.060 instantly when she heard it
00:09:46.400 as that discussion was underway
00:09:48.300 as that introduction from Anthony Roda
00:09:50.320 was underway.
00:09:52.340 Speaking of Chrystia Freeland
00:09:53.900 I don't want to make this like the Chrystia Freeland
00:09:55.460 power hour here
00:09:56.360 but she does make a cameo in this story
00:09:58.860 because Chrystia Freeland had this tweet
00:10:01.620 which sounds nice
00:10:02.700 it sounds nice
00:10:03.520 this is a liberal government
00:10:04.720 that has decided to take housing seriously
00:10:07.380 and she says
00:10:08.080 homes are for Canadians to live in
00:10:11.060 and should not be used as a financial asset class
00:10:13.900 by foreigners
00:10:15.000 ooh
00:10:15.420 that's some xenophobic rhetoric
00:10:17.260 isn't it Minister Freeland
00:10:18.460 we are using all possible tools
00:10:20.520 to make housing more affordable across the country
00:10:22.760 including by extending the ban
00:10:25.280 on foreign ownership of housing in Canada
00:10:28.560 now by the way
00:10:30.440 bans on foreign home ownership
00:10:32.280 outside of British Columbia
00:10:34.320 have not actually dented housing prices
00:10:36.860 foreign ownership is not as massive an issue
00:10:39.420 as a lot of people like to think it is
00:10:40.820 it becomes a cudgel
00:10:41.720 because if you are a foreign homeowner
00:10:43.960 you're not really a voter
00:10:44.840 who can be alienated by someone taking aim at you
00:10:47.460 but Chrystia Freeland is saying there
00:10:49.120 we're going to go after foreign homeowners
00:10:51.200 they're the problem
00:10:52.100 they're the ones using houses
00:10:53.700 as a financial asset class
00:10:55.760 now who on earth would be so dastardly
00:10:58.540 as to own property in other countries
00:11:01.980 well what do we have here
00:11:04.700 this is called the disclosure summary
00:11:07.260 it's required under the conflict of interest code
00:11:09.200 for members of the house of commons
00:11:11.200 all members of parliament have them
00:11:12.440 you can scroll through
00:11:13.240 and see if your member of parliament
00:11:15.060 happens to be a landlord or landlady
00:11:17.940 now some people have one little
00:11:19.920 you know flop house rental unit
00:11:21.820 that they make a few bucks a month on
00:11:23.260 Chrystia Freeland
00:11:23.860 and her spouse have multiple
00:11:26.740 let's just go down the list here
00:11:29.320 it's a list
00:11:29.760 it's not just one sentence
00:11:30.740 there are a list of options here
00:11:32.500 Chrystia Freeland has joint ownership
00:11:34.360 with another person
00:11:35.280 of a residential property
00:11:37.240 located on Sovivska
00:11:39.020 Sovivska street in Kiev, Ukraine
00:11:42.200 joint ownership with spouse
00:11:43.880 of two rental properties
00:11:45.500 located on Aquinas street
00:11:47.000 in London, United Kingdom
00:11:49.120 joint ownership with two persons
00:11:51.400 of a farmhouse
00:11:52.260 and a parcel of farmland
00:11:53.720 in Peace River, Alberta
00:11:55.120 she has under other sources of income
00:11:57.500 rental income declared
00:11:58.720 for the last 12 months
00:11:59.960 and the next 12 months
00:12:01.500 three mortgages
00:12:02.880 a mortgage
00:12:03.980 four mortgages total actually
00:12:05.640 and then she has a spouse
00:12:08.480 who owns a rental property
00:12:10.140 on Irving Place in New York
00:12:13.000 who is also by the way
00:12:14.500 making rental income
00:12:15.700 so let me just do the math here
00:12:17.540 we've got one rental property
00:12:19.540 two, three, four, five
00:12:23.960 I'm doing that math right
00:12:27.480 that is five properties
00:12:30.260 in four countries
00:12:32.360 that Chrystia Freeland
00:12:33.980 and her spouse own
00:12:35.180 five properties in four countries
00:12:36.480 that's a pretty good haul there
00:12:38.200 look I don't begrudge anyone
00:12:39.220 their success
00:12:39.760 I don't begrudge anyone
00:12:40.780 the opportunity to own land
00:12:42.260 but it is a little rich
00:12:43.200 for Chrystia Freeland
00:12:44.180 of all people
00:12:45.260 to turn around
00:12:45.920 and say that
00:12:46.880 foreign property owners
00:12:48.680 are the problem
00:12:49.680 when she is doing enough
00:12:51.500 foreign property ownership
00:12:52.920 for a handful of people
00:12:54.580 in Ukraine
00:12:56.020 the United Kingdom
00:12:56.980 the United States
00:12:57.820 and of course in Canada
00:12:59.800 so funny how the rules
00:13:02.000 are only for the little people
00:13:03.660 the little people
00:13:04.260 who incidentally
00:13:04.980 couldn't afford to have
00:13:05.900 property holdings
00:13:06.960 in four different countries
00:13:08.400 but ah well
00:13:09.260 that's what happens
00:13:09.900 when you're on the
00:13:10.560 board of trustees
00:13:11.460 for the World Economic Forum
00:13:12.760 in this world
00:13:14.020 in this planet
00:13:14.660 in this country
00:13:15.300 you get to play
00:13:16.440 by different rules
00:13:17.440 than the ones you prescribe
00:13:18.420 for others
00:13:19.660 speaking of the World Economic Forum
00:13:21.860 by the way
00:13:22.300 we had so many opportunities
00:13:24.020 there to doorstep
00:13:25.600 as they called
00:13:26.180 in the United Kingdom
00:13:26.920 which basically just means
00:13:27.820 you know walking up to someone
00:13:28.980 and asking them questions
00:13:30.320 but to doorstep various people
00:13:32.500 we haven't even had the opportunity
00:13:34.140 to play all of the footage
00:13:35.520 that we collected there
00:13:37.140 we've had other stories
00:13:38.140 come up here and there
00:13:39.060 and I think this may be
00:13:40.080 the last one
00:13:41.060 but it's relevant
00:13:42.580 if you've been following
00:13:43.440 in the last few weeks
00:13:44.780 the coverage at True North
00:13:46.240 I mean the last few months
00:13:47.160 really
00:13:47.420 but there's been a lot
00:13:48.860 in the last few weeks
00:13:50.000 and days in particular
00:13:50.900 of anti-Semitism
00:13:52.160 on campuses
00:13:53.420 now it used to be
00:13:54.900 that maybe you'd see
00:13:55.640 one of these stories
00:13:56.360 and you'd think
00:13:56.740 oh wow that's shocking
00:13:57.980 now absolutely no one
00:13:59.460 is shocked about this
00:14:00.520 it's not about
00:14:01.140 breaking news anymore
00:14:02.600 to report anti-Semites
00:14:04.040 on university
00:14:05.020 and college campuses
00:14:06.000 it's really just
00:14:06.780 a matter of documenting
00:14:09.100 because these people
00:14:10.120 should not be able to hide
00:14:11.200 in the shadows
00:14:11.960 of their hatred
00:14:13.600 now there are some schools
00:14:15.100 that have been worse
00:14:16.600 than others
00:14:17.340 some unions
00:14:17.960 that have been worse
00:14:18.600 than others
00:14:18.980 CUPE stands out in Canada
00:14:21.040 which represents a lot of faculty
00:14:22.360 at York University
00:14:23.400 Carleton University
00:14:24.400 they've had their fair share
00:14:26.160 of run-ins
00:14:27.120 with anti-Semitism
00:14:28.240 in the last few months
00:14:29.740 that have been
00:14:30.140 very apparent
00:14:31.220 but it's not just
00:14:32.520 a Canadian phenomenon
00:14:33.920 we saw in the United States
00:14:35.700 Ivy League institutions
00:14:36.800 that were in many cases
00:14:38.900 dragged quite deservedly
00:14:40.640 for allowing anti-Semitism
00:14:42.120 to prosper on campus
00:14:43.500 and in the UK as well
00:14:45.400 University College London
00:14:47.840 which is again
00:14:48.600 a very prestigious school
00:14:49.700 has had rampant
00:14:51.420 rampant rises
00:14:52.500 in anti-Semitism
00:14:53.680 on campus
00:14:54.280 so much so
00:14:54.940 that a group of alumni
00:14:56.500 in November
00:14:57.380 wrote a letter about this
00:14:59.080 a letter about rising
00:15:00.500 anti-Semitism on campus
00:15:01.740 they ultimately forced
00:15:03.480 the school to issue
00:15:04.460 a response
00:15:05.460 though many people
00:15:06.140 thought it was
00:15:06.900 too little too late
00:15:08.400 well didn't I happen
00:15:09.300 to see on the streets
00:15:10.460 of Davos
00:15:11.000 Dr. Michael Spence
00:15:12.780 who is the president
00:15:13.820 and provo
00:15:14.680 of University College London
00:15:16.460 now I thought
00:15:17.400 this would be
00:15:17.880 an easy opportunity
00:15:18.880 a very easy opportunity
00:15:20.200 for him to
00:15:20.940 give a firm
00:15:22.460 and unequivocal
00:15:23.160 condemnation
00:15:24.060 of anti-Semitism
00:15:25.420 on campus
00:15:26.220 but my goodness
00:15:27.100 did I have to work for it
00:15:28.700 I wonder if you care
00:15:29.360 to comment on anti-Semitism
00:15:30.520 on university campuses
00:15:31.780 I wouldn't
00:15:33.080 but thank you
00:15:33.720 you don't want to comment
00:15:34.620 on anti-Semitism
00:15:35.340 on university campuses
00:15:36.460 no
00:15:37.880 the University College London
00:15:39.540 has had many reports
00:15:41.320 of these anti-Semitic incidents
00:15:42.500 I would think that
00:15:43.400 someone in your position
00:15:44.300 would care about that
00:15:45.080 don't you
00:15:45.440 yeah but I don't necessarily
00:15:46.680 want to talk to
00:15:47.700 True North
00:15:48.900 whomever True North
00:15:49.800 might be about it
00:15:50.700 so I just don't understand
00:15:52.720 why this isn't
00:15:53.380 an easy condemnation
00:15:54.520 for you as the head
00:15:55.220 of a university
00:15:55.800 as esteemed as yours
00:15:56.700 so of course
00:15:57.480 condemning anti-Semitism
00:15:58.620 is an easy conversation
00:16:00.820 and we have the only
00:16:01.880 full-time anti-Semitism
00:16:03.560 education officer
00:16:05.120 in the UK
00:16:05.760 we have an extensive
00:16:07.460 anti-Semitism
00:16:08.220 education program
00:16:10.200 we work very closely
00:16:13.540 with community organizations
00:16:15.080 in the Jewish community
00:16:16.380 to fight anti-Semitism
00:16:17.920 on campus
00:16:18.740 it's a
00:16:20.380 a real issue
00:16:23.040 across
00:16:23.740 not only
00:16:24.700 the United Kingdom
00:16:25.500 but
00:16:25.800 the
00:16:26.840 the western world
00:16:27.980 and beyond
00:16:28.400 more generally
00:16:29.020 and has been
00:16:29.580 for 3,000 years
00:16:30.560 and one we take
00:16:31.320 incredibly seriously
00:16:32.520 but I don't tend to do
00:16:34.280 but I don't tend to do
00:16:35.680 doorstops
00:16:36.220 so thanks very much
00:16:37.300 as you saw there
00:16:38.600 he was at first prepared
00:16:39.660 just to blow right by
00:16:40.720 didn't really want to
00:16:41.520 deign himself
00:16:42.300 to talk to the likes of me
00:16:43.600 even to
00:16:44.040 do something as simple
00:16:45.440 and important as
00:16:46.160 condemning anti-Semitism
00:16:47.520 I think there was a moment
00:16:48.940 if you watch that footage
00:16:50.560 you can kind of see
00:16:51.520 there's a moment
00:16:52.180 when he sort of
00:16:52.960 has a flip
00:16:53.740 and realizes
00:16:55.100 this is going to look
00:16:56.780 really really really bad
00:16:59.180 if I don't come up
00:17:00.840 with something to say
00:17:01.660 when he actually answered
00:17:02.640 I don't think his answer
00:17:03.620 was all that
00:17:04.320 unreasonable
00:17:05.320 again whether or not
00:17:06.320 it's lip service
00:17:07.140 people can decide
00:17:08.120 for themselves
00:17:08.720 but it was amazing
00:17:09.780 how even that question
00:17:11.080 the instinct is to say
00:17:12.160 I don't want to pay
00:17:13.320 attention to you
00:17:14.140 I don't want to talk
00:17:14.980 about that
00:17:15.420 but he didn't come up
00:17:17.040 with as good a line
00:17:17.920 as our old friend
00:17:19.000 Christine Lagarde did
00:17:20.160 from the European Central Bank
00:17:22.280 I know I've played
00:17:22.900 this clip before
00:17:23.540 but it's a fun one
00:17:24.480 afternoon ma'am
00:17:25.500 how can people have
00:17:26.260 confidence in digital
00:17:27.140 currencies and government
00:17:28.160 not using it as a tool
00:17:29.200 of control
00:17:29.760 I'm not giving an interview
00:17:31.360 I'm not speaking
00:17:32.120 because I'm in a quiet period
00:17:33.800 I love it
00:17:36.020 yeah I haven't used
00:17:36.860 I said I was going to
00:17:37.540 use that on my wife
00:17:38.360 when she you know
00:17:39.060 wanted me to like
00:17:39.760 unload the dishwasher
00:17:40.520 or whatever
00:17:40.860 and just be like
00:17:41.360 I mean I'm in a quiet
00:17:43.060 period right now
00:17:44.200 I'm in a quiet period
00:17:45.320 good old Michael Spence
00:17:47.180 from University College London
00:17:48.680 should have tried
00:17:49.240 the old quiet period
00:17:50.660 excuse as well
00:17:51.800 but I don't think
00:17:53.120 he came up with it
00:17:53.760 in time
00:17:54.120 but anyway
00:17:54.800 that is going on
00:17:56.800 in the UK
00:17:57.600 it's going on in the US
00:17:58.640 it's going on in Canada
00:18:00.160 and it is absolutely
00:18:01.680 egregious
00:18:02.240 and anyone and everyone
00:18:03.440 should take every
00:18:04.160 opportunity to condemn this
00:18:05.960 and the fact that
00:18:06.900 so many people
00:18:07.520 are pussyfooting around
00:18:08.800 it is quite disgraceful
00:18:10.320 and I think those people
00:18:11.140 need to be called out
00:18:12.900 and you can just see
00:18:14.020 by the way
00:18:14.440 the horrendous overreaction
00:18:16.160 to people who dare
00:18:17.360 to say anything
00:18:18.740 even remotely critical
00:18:20.440 of what some people
00:18:22.380 call Palestine
00:18:23.480 which again
00:18:24.340 is not an autonomous state
00:18:25.580 but that's neither here
00:18:26.580 nor there right now
00:18:27.440 that British Columbia woman
00:18:29.140 I don't know much
00:18:29.900 about BC politics
00:18:30.840 it's not within
00:18:31.960 my wheelhouse generally
00:18:33.420 but this story
00:18:34.700 I have certainly
00:18:35.260 paid attention to
00:18:36.120 Selina Robinson
00:18:37.040 who is a minister
00:18:37.800 in BC's NDP government
00:18:39.780 has resigned from cabinet
00:18:41.940 for saying something
00:18:42.820 which is just
00:18:43.560 fundamentally a piece
00:18:45.020 of historic truth
00:18:47.020 she was referring
00:18:47.720 to the foundation
00:18:48.500 of modern Israel
00:18:49.360 goes back to 1948
00:18:50.620 when the British mandate
00:18:52.600 for Palestine
00:18:53.620 which was again
00:18:54.240 a British territory
00:18:55.660 was turned into
00:18:57.740 the state of Israel
00:18:59.520 and what happened there
00:19:01.320 was you had a piece of land
00:19:03.400 which was very undesirable
00:19:04.760 it wasn't the Israel
00:19:05.960 that it is today
00:19:06.820 with advanced technology
00:19:08.340 and architecture
00:19:09.160 and infrastructure
00:19:09.740 and all of that
00:19:10.460 it just wasn't at all
00:19:11.940 and she made this comment
00:19:13.540 and she used
00:19:14.100 you know colorful language
00:19:15.160 she said Israel
00:19:15.760 was founded on quote
00:19:16.840 a crappy piece of land
00:19:19.280 unquote
00:19:19.780 she went on to say
00:19:21.760 that there were
00:19:22.800 several hundred thousand people
00:19:24.120 but other than that
00:19:24.840 it didn't produce an economy
00:19:25.940 everything she said
00:19:27.180 was correct
00:19:28.260 but then this was deemed
00:19:29.860 Islamophobic
00:19:30.800 she has to go through
00:19:31.620 anti-Islamophobia training
00:19:33.480 for stating a piece
00:19:35.320 of historic truth
00:19:36.220 and while she's an NDPer
00:19:37.340 I probably don't agree
00:19:38.100 with her on a lot of things
00:19:39.480 the fact that she is now
00:19:40.440 out of cabinet for this
00:19:41.720 for telling the truth
00:19:42.880 about history
00:19:44.040 is exactly why
00:19:45.980 we have to take
00:19:47.460 these issues
00:19:48.220 so very seriously
00:19:49.560 because there is a
00:19:50.360 I mean people love to say
00:19:51.640 oh the Jewish lobby
00:19:52.500 is so powerful
00:19:53.180 I mean it's very
00:19:54.420 anti-Semitic
00:19:55.180 when people bring that up
00:19:56.260 nine times out of ten
00:19:57.460 maybe there's one in ten
00:19:58.400 that wants to make a point
00:19:59.380 that's not anti-Semitic
00:20:00.520 when they use that language
00:20:01.880 but I think most people
00:20:02.800 try to hide
00:20:03.540 or cloak this language
00:20:05.060 so that their
00:20:06.200 internal biases
00:20:07.360 and prejudices
00:20:08.160 are not as clear
00:20:08.900 but in this particular case
00:20:10.780 you can have your
00:20:11.560 political career
00:20:12.260 vaporized
00:20:13.260 if you go
00:20:14.480 and say something
00:20:15.240 which isn't even
00:20:15.840 a Zionist comment
00:20:17.220 you say something
00:20:17.880 that's just a matter
00:20:18.480 of historic truth
00:20:19.300 but it gets spun
00:20:20.480 by activists
00:20:21.360 as being Islamophobic
00:20:22.820 and boom
00:20:23.580 Selena Robinson
00:20:24.720 out of cabinet
00:20:26.060 political career
00:20:26.880 over for the time being
00:20:28.780 we will turn away
00:20:30.700 from the real
00:20:31.140 hot button stuff
00:20:31.840 right now
00:20:32.300 and go to energy policy
00:20:33.760 we've been doing
00:20:34.640 a series on this show
00:20:35.840 for the last week
00:20:37.300 and a bit called
00:20:38.200 unjust transition
00:20:39.720 the name is a
00:20:40.680 not so subtle
00:20:41.760 take on the
00:20:43.300 so-called
00:20:43.840 just transition
00:20:44.840 from the federal government
00:20:46.240 this is the
00:20:46.860 liberal government's
00:20:48.200 way of saying
00:20:48.780 that oil and gas
00:20:49.780 are the way of the past
00:20:50.560 we've got to get
00:20:51.100 all of those people
00:20:51.860 that work in the oil
00:20:52.500 and gas sector
00:20:53.140 out making
00:20:53.720 you know
00:20:54.320 electric car batteries
00:20:55.520 or something like that
00:20:56.620 but it's predicated
00:20:58.180 on a premise
00:20:59.260 that right now
00:21:00.080 does not have any support
00:21:01.700 which is that
00:21:02.240 there can be
00:21:03.440 let alone
00:21:03.880 whether there should be
00:21:04.740 that there even can be
00:21:05.880 this magical transition
00:21:07.680 away from
00:21:08.740 traditional energy sources
00:21:10.080 so we've been telling
00:21:11.200 the positives
00:21:11.840 of the oil and gas sector
00:21:13.280 in Canada
00:21:13.720 with a token mining guy
00:21:14.980 we've been talking
00:21:16.180 about the positives
00:21:16.960 of the energy sector
00:21:18.180 because we know
00:21:18.740 these stories
00:21:19.260 are not heard
00:21:20.300 anywhere else
00:21:21.080 and I just want to
00:21:22.140 again restate my thanks
00:21:23.360 to the Modern Miracle Network
00:21:24.380 for connecting me
00:21:25.120 with all these folks
00:21:25.840 who I think are often
00:21:27.420 a little shy
00:21:28.120 about engaging
00:21:28.820 with the media
00:21:29.340 because they know
00:21:29.980 how the media
00:21:31.020 treats oil and gas companies
00:21:32.440 but they were very gracious
00:21:33.560 to sit down with me
00:21:34.540 and today I want to go
00:21:36.060 to my interview
00:21:36.640 with David Hood
00:21:37.880 who is the head
00:21:38.540 of Geologic Systems
00:21:39.960 I sat down with him
00:21:40.940 in Calgary
00:21:41.640 so here's our interview
00:21:42.840 for today's
00:21:43.720 Unjust Transition
00:21:44.940 I'm sitting down
00:21:57.080 with David Hood
00:21:58.400 of Geologic
00:21:59.800 here in Calgary
00:22:01.060 David good to talk to you
00:22:02.020 thanks for joining me today
00:22:03.080 thanks for inviting me
00:22:04.160 so we've been asking
00:22:05.560 everyone that we've been
00:22:06.440 speaking to in this
00:22:07.300 how does your company
00:22:08.540 fit into the landscape
00:22:09.500 because you're actually
00:22:10.340 part of a very unique
00:22:11.780 aspect of the sector
00:22:12.920 that I don't think
00:22:13.580 a lot of Canadians
00:22:14.520 outside of the energy
00:22:15.740 industry really know exists
00:22:16.980 yeah absolutely
00:22:18.280 and there's a perception
00:22:19.940 that I think
00:22:21.380 in a lot of people
00:22:21.980 who don't know
00:22:22.880 about the industry
00:22:23.480 that it's a very low-tech
00:22:25.260 old-fashioned type industry
00:22:27.300 nothing could be further
00:22:28.380 than the truth
00:22:29.020 it is very very leading edge
00:22:31.620 it's very challenging
00:22:32.640 it's applying
00:22:33.960 the latest technology
00:22:35.580 in multiple ways
00:22:36.920 and we're just one example
00:22:38.680 of that
00:22:39.140 so
00:22:39.440 what we do
00:22:41.380 we grew from
00:22:42.440 a data company
00:22:43.580 because the industry
00:22:44.620 consumes
00:22:45.360 voracious amounts of data
00:22:47.180 everything it does
00:22:48.740 is driven by data
00:22:49.600 that was originally
00:22:50.880 subsurface
00:22:51.700 and provided
00:22:53.080 the information
00:22:54.500 and the tools
00:22:55.640 to interpret
00:22:57.520 the data
00:22:58.180 and apply it
00:22:59.500 right across
00:23:00.320 the whole cycle
00:23:01.040 of the industry
00:23:01.720 right from
00:23:03.520 exploring for oil and gas
00:23:05.580 to
00:23:05.960 should I buy
00:23:07.580 or should I sell
00:23:08.280 a company
00:23:08.720 we are just
00:23:09.660 a product
00:23:10.660 that is used
00:23:11.580 or products
00:23:12.220 right
00:23:13.400 right through the industry
00:23:15.100 from beginning
00:23:16.120 in the morning
00:23:16.940 to the end
00:23:17.600 and we grew
00:23:19.440 from there
00:23:20.100 where we were
00:23:21.120 into
00:23:21.660 the
00:23:22.700 we now have
00:23:23.540 an operation
00:23:24.040 in London
00:23:24.480 we have an operation
00:23:25.560 in Houston
00:23:26.100 we've got
00:23:27.260 a data operation
00:23:29.080 in India
00:23:29.520 and a software operation
00:23:30.620 in Pakistan
00:23:31.120 and this is a
00:23:32.600 Calgary company
00:23:33.680 that was going up
00:23:35.240 against a major
00:23:36.420 major
00:23:37.160 international organization
00:23:38.740 that had
00:23:39.940 85% of the market
00:23:42.020 and we had a tiny
00:23:43.200 sliver
00:23:43.640 of what was left
00:23:44.320 now we've got
00:23:45.720 by far the majority
00:23:46.800 of the market
00:23:47.440 and they have what's left
00:23:48.460 we basically
00:23:49.800 just took that
00:23:50.420 bezels away from them
00:23:51.160 based on
00:23:52.240 better data
00:23:53.660 better quality
00:23:54.660 better services
00:23:55.540 and frankly
00:23:56.740 an Alberta approach
00:23:57.780 to doing things
00:23:58.360 that story there
00:24:00.700 is I think
00:24:01.320 a tremendous
00:24:01.720 Canadian success story
00:24:03.240 not just an Alberta story
00:24:04.520 not just an oil and gas story
00:24:06.080 it's a Canadian business
00:24:07.120 that's doing
00:24:07.920 such incredible things
00:24:08.960 globally
00:24:09.400 and I think
00:24:10.600 it's a testament
00:24:11.100 to what happens
00:24:11.860 if the industry
00:24:12.640 can be left
00:24:13.220 to its own devices
00:24:14.080 and you bring this
00:24:15.140 into an environmental context
00:24:16.560 and you have a government
00:24:17.700 and an environment
00:24:19.000 of NGOs
00:24:19.840 E-NGOs
00:24:21.160 that believe
00:24:22.000 the industry
00:24:22.580 is the problem
00:24:23.720 and that's not
00:24:25.180 consistent with
00:24:26.080 you know
00:24:26.560 the facts
00:24:26.940 on the ground
00:24:27.380 as you see them
00:24:28.300 I know
00:24:28.580 absolutely not
00:24:29.420 that's right
00:24:30.040 there is no chance
00:24:32.420 of getting to
00:24:33.600 a net zero environment
00:24:35.420 without
00:24:35.920 the technology
00:24:37.940 and the expertise
00:24:39.400 from the oil and gas
00:24:40.420 industry
00:24:40.760 geothermal
00:24:41.920 relies completely
00:24:43.200 on expertise
00:24:43.980 from the oil and gas
00:24:45.920 industry
00:24:46.340 carbon capture
00:24:48.720 and storage
00:24:49.380 the same thing
00:24:50.700 and also
00:24:52.500 lithium
00:24:53.060 and helium
00:24:53.760 hydrogen
00:24:54.860 that technology
00:24:56.260 is coming out
00:24:56.760 of the oil and gas
00:24:57.240 industry
00:24:57.520 and so it's
00:24:58.300 absolutely critical
00:24:59.060 and we all want
00:25:01.140 to cut emissions
00:25:01.800 but I distinguish
00:25:04.040 between the people
00:25:04.900 who are serious
00:25:05.860 about it
00:25:06.520 and the people
00:25:07.420 who are playing games
00:25:08.340 so the distinction
00:25:08.920 I would make
00:25:09.480 is this
00:25:09.900 if you're saying
00:25:11.820 that we are facing
00:25:12.740 an existential crisis
00:25:14.320 then you treat it
00:25:16.460 as such
00:25:16.940 and you do
00:25:18.240 every single thing
00:25:20.040 you can
00:25:20.760 to get to
00:25:22.400 solving the problem
00:25:23.820 which
00:25:24.740 we need to do
00:25:26.260 if you
00:25:27.980 are saying
00:25:29.560 that we only
00:25:30.840 want to do
00:25:31.820 take this solution
00:25:33.420 or that solution
00:25:34.180 or the other solution
00:25:35.020 but we don't want
00:25:35.960 to use these solutions
00:25:36.880 because we don't like them
00:25:37.900 then you're telling me
00:25:39.540 it's not an
00:25:39.920 existential crisis
00:25:41.400 so what is it
00:25:42.200 and I think
00:25:43.700 a lot of the NGOs
00:25:44.740 are taking
00:25:47.080 the second approach
00:25:48.000 like for example
00:25:48.880 nuclear is going to be
00:25:49.800 a huge part
00:25:51.180 of the solution
00:25:52.280 but some people say
00:25:53.540 well we can't have nuclear
00:25:54.540 well you really want
00:25:56.060 to cut emissions
00:25:56.560 so it's
00:25:58.140 and carbon capture
00:25:59.180 very similar things
00:25:59.920 oh no we don't want
00:26:00.680 that suggestion
00:26:01.200 we don't want that solution
00:26:02.200 right
00:26:02.520 and if you talk
00:26:03.380 to the folks
00:26:03.800 at Pathways Alliance
00:26:04.660 they are hugely focused
00:26:06.480 on doing that
00:26:07.340 there's a
00:26:08.400 White Cap Resources
00:26:10.260 has got a
00:26:11.820 major project
00:26:13.420 in Saskatchewan
00:26:15.440 where they are
00:26:16.140 capturing
00:26:16.760 enormous amounts
00:26:17.900 of carbon
00:26:19.040 all the time
00:26:19.840 that project
00:26:20.780 has actually been
00:26:21.840 using our data
00:26:23.460 and our systems
00:26:24.160 from way back
00:26:25.060 before even
00:26:25.480 White Gamp
00:26:25.880 ordered it
00:26:26.380 and there's
00:26:27.360 tremendous progress
00:26:28.300 there
00:26:28.520 you have to
00:26:29.580 have the oil
00:26:30.960 industry's
00:26:31.360 part of the solution
00:26:31.920 so what is it
00:26:34.340 that is missing
00:26:35.220 from this
00:26:36.060 because I don't think
00:26:36.940 anyone can really deny
00:26:37.940 that a lot of this
00:26:38.820 is very ideological
00:26:39.500 they aren't interested
00:26:40.500 in solutions
00:26:41.080 the stated objectives
00:26:42.140 are often not
00:26:43.000 the genuine
00:26:44.120 objectives here
00:26:45.020 what is it
00:26:45.920 that they're not
00:26:46.580 seeing
00:26:47.000 is it that
00:26:47.380 they're not
00:26:47.740 recognizing
00:26:48.420 what the industry
00:26:49.820 has done
00:26:50.480 or that
00:26:51.040 that just doesn't
00:26:51.640 factor into
00:26:52.140 the calculation
00:26:52.820 I think a large
00:26:54.140 part of it is
00:26:54.940 you know
00:26:55.760 I'm an engineer
00:26:56.680 a lot of the people
00:26:57.740 in the industry
00:26:59.800 are engineers
00:27:00.660 scientists
00:27:01.300 and they look
00:27:02.360 at it from a
00:27:03.100 factual
00:27:03.560 scientific
00:27:04.500 as they should
00:27:06.040 I would say
00:27:06.440 it's a scientific
00:27:07.020 issue
00:27:07.400 absolutely
00:27:07.660 it's not a
00:27:08.520 political
00:27:08.780 I mean it
00:27:09.100 becomes a
00:27:09.580 political issue
00:27:10.220 but the problem
00:27:10.960 is one that
00:27:11.920 at its core
00:27:12.480 is about science
00:27:13.260 if you don't
00:27:14.280 focus on science
00:27:15.360 in the industry
00:27:15.920 you don't get very far
00:27:16.780 but I think
00:27:18.340 a lot of the people
00:27:19.160 are
00:27:19.680 who are
00:27:20.700 pontificating
00:27:21.620 about this stuff
00:27:22.320 have no scientific
00:27:23.640 or engineering
00:27:25.100 background
00:27:25.540 and they're
00:27:26.500 listening to stuff
00:27:27.600 you know
00:27:28.720 let me give you
00:27:29.140 an example
00:27:29.520 when I was a kid
00:27:30.500 I grew up
00:27:32.120 around
00:27:32.760 there were shipyards
00:27:33.760 everywhere
00:27:34.660 back in Scotland
00:27:35.440 where I was
00:27:35.960 born
00:27:36.900 there was a time
00:27:38.500 when 30%
00:27:39.640 of all merchant
00:27:40.380 tonnage
00:27:40.900 afloat
00:27:42.560 worldwide
00:27:43.200 was built
00:27:43.880 on the clite
00:27:44.460 you understood
00:27:46.120 heavy engineering
00:27:47.140 you saw it
00:27:47.940 all over the place
00:27:48.820 today
00:27:49.960 I think
00:27:51.860 a lot of
00:27:52.740 people
00:27:53.160 never see it
00:27:54.240 and they have
00:27:54.660 a sense
00:27:55.160 that
00:27:55.580 whether it
00:27:56.860 comes from
00:27:57.880 when we're
00:27:58.280 talking about
00:27:58.800 electricity
00:27:59.340 or whether
00:28:00.440 we're talking
00:28:00.940 about energy
00:28:01.920 generally
00:28:02.480 or whether
00:28:03.580 we're talking
00:28:04.040 about food
00:28:04.680 you know
00:28:05.780 food comes
00:28:06.280 from the
00:28:06.540 supermarket
00:28:07.000 energy
00:28:08.380 comes from
00:28:09.060 the wall
00:28:09.420 socket
00:28:09.780 and they have
00:28:11.100 no sense
00:28:11.800 of the heavy
00:28:12.580 engineering
00:28:13.120 that is required
00:28:14.560 somewhere
00:28:15.080 like somewhere
00:28:15.660 has to build
00:28:16.240 somebody has
00:28:16.860 to build
00:28:17.120 a power plant
00:28:17.560 to make that
00:28:19.340 happen
00:28:19.680 somebody has
00:28:20.300 to build
00:28:20.720 a windmill
00:28:21.260 to make that
00:28:21.920 happen
00:28:22.240 it doesn't
00:28:23.000 just happen
00:28:23.540 and I think
00:28:23.900 part of it
00:28:24.760 is there's
00:28:25.120 that disconnect
00:28:25.780 between
00:28:26.360 an engineering
00:28:27.460 understanding
00:28:28.140 that used
00:28:28.800 to be there
00:28:29.380 and the idea
00:28:30.940 that it all
00:28:31.740 gets done
00:28:32.200 and you're full
00:28:32.620 yeah
00:28:34.060 and I think
00:28:34.460 that part
00:28:35.000 is so key
00:28:35.860 and I mean
00:28:36.120 even when you
00:28:36.540 have people
00:28:37.040 arguing
00:28:37.460 that we need
00:28:37.960 to transition
00:28:38.580 away from
00:28:39.580 oil and gas
00:28:40.580 and use
00:28:41.060 you know
00:28:41.600 use all of
00:28:42.780 these other
00:28:43.220 means of
00:28:44.060 powering things
00:28:44.920 they don't
00:28:45.260 understand
00:28:45.700 what goes
00:28:46.160 into creating
00:28:46.780 that
00:28:47.180 I think
00:28:48.140 you're right
00:28:48.420 electricity
00:28:48.820 does not
00:28:49.300 start in a
00:28:49.860 battery
00:28:50.140 electricity
00:28:50.600 has to be
00:28:51.220 generated
00:28:51.620 somewhere
00:28:52.040 and put
00:28:52.400 into that
00:28:52.780 battery
00:28:53.100 and that
00:28:53.820 even right
00:28:54.240 there
00:28:54.500 is the
00:28:54.860 fundamental
00:28:55.300 disconnect
00:28:55.860 that I
00:28:56.180 don't think
00:28:56.420 a lot of
00:28:56.760 people think
00:28:57.220 of when they
00:28:57.660 believe that
00:28:58.340 you know
00:28:58.680 this is the
00:28:59.200 future
00:28:59.500 that's right
00:29:00.360 and I used
00:29:02.200 in an
00:29:03.040 electricity supply
00:29:03.920 business
00:29:04.840 when I was
00:29:05.400 back in the
00:29:05.860 UK
00:29:06.060 and the
00:29:07.140 complexities
00:29:07.680 of what's
00:29:08.180 involved in
00:29:08.780 there
00:29:09.120 are mind
00:29:11.060 blowing
00:29:11.320 and you
00:29:11.980 cannot just
00:29:13.020 the difficulty
00:29:14.900 of having
00:29:15.480 a stable
00:29:16.380 and reliable
00:29:17.160 power source
00:29:18.020 is
00:29:19.200 it's something
00:29:20.600 that you take
00:29:21.160 for granted
00:29:21.640 because in
00:29:22.580 the western
00:29:22.920 world
00:29:23.340 people have
00:29:24.220 been doing
00:29:24.540 it very
00:29:24.800 effectively
00:29:25.180 in a very
00:29:25.580 long time
00:29:26.060 it is very
00:29:27.140 easy to
00:29:27.540 screw up
00:29:27.940 and if you
00:29:29.820 have a lot
00:29:30.980 of intermittent
00:29:31.640 power sources
00:29:32.560 windmills are
00:29:33.660 great
00:29:33.980 you know
00:29:35.280 the
00:29:36.440 sunshine is
00:29:38.220 great
00:29:38.560 but it
00:29:39.500 doesn't
00:29:39.900 rock all
00:29:40.600 the time
00:29:41.080 and you
00:29:41.820 have to
00:29:42.480 if you're
00:29:43.540 going to rely
00:29:44.200 on those
00:29:44.640 kind of
00:29:44.960 sources
00:29:45.260 you're going
00:29:46.440 to have to
00:29:46.800 take them
00:29:47.160 from places
00:29:47.800 where for
00:29:48.260 example
00:29:48.620 there's a
00:29:49.060 lot of
00:29:49.420 wind
00:29:49.820 or there's
00:29:50.280 a lot
00:29:50.520 of sun
00:29:50.880 and you're
00:29:51.800 going to
00:29:51.880 have to
00:29:52.220 get it
00:29:52.840 reliably
00:29:53.560 to places
00:29:54.820 that need
00:29:55.300 it
00:29:55.480 with power
00:29:56.160 so you're
00:29:56.880 going to
00:29:57.020 need to
00:29:57.340 build
00:29:57.700 a lot
00:29:58.580 of grid
00:29:59.420 there
00:30:00.660 I have
00:30:01.140 no
00:30:01.480 I have
00:30:01.940 yet to
00:30:02.380 see
00:30:02.720 anybody
00:30:03.340 present
00:30:04.720 a plan
00:30:05.620 that says
00:30:06.100 how that
00:30:06.600 grid gets
00:30:07.180 built
00:30:07.460 even something
00:30:08.780 as simple
00:30:09.360 as power
00:30:10.680 as generators
00:30:11.760 excuse me
00:30:12.320 not generators
00:30:12.740 transformers
00:30:13.380 which is
00:30:14.240 needed to
00:30:14.860 step power
00:30:15.820 you need to
00:30:16.740 step power
00:30:17.940 up the
00:30:18.400 voltage
00:30:18.800 to transmit
00:30:20.100 it long
00:30:20.460 distances
00:30:20.800 otherwise
00:30:21.220 you lose
00:30:21.640 too much
00:30:22.080 and you
00:30:22.740 have to
00:30:23.020 bring it
00:30:23.320 back down
00:30:23.900 to bring
00:30:24.680 it into
00:30:24.960 houses
00:30:25.320 otherwise
00:30:25.680 you kill
00:30:26.040 people
00:30:26.340 which is
00:30:27.120 usually not
00:30:27.620 seen as a
00:30:28.020 good thing
00:30:28.320 to do
00:30:28.640 and so
00:30:29.720 you have
00:30:31.140 to have
00:30:31.580 a lot
00:30:31.840 of transformers
00:30:32.600 the more
00:30:32.940 you have
00:30:33.280 with a grid
00:30:33.660 we don't
00:30:34.740 have the
00:30:35.140 transformers
00:30:35.760 there is
00:30:37.240 a major
00:30:38.060 shortage
00:30:39.080 of transformers
00:30:39.980 globally
00:30:40.360 and partly
00:30:41.340 because
00:30:41.860 there is
00:30:42.800 material
00:30:43.460 that is
00:30:44.540 needed
00:30:44.780 in there
00:30:45.140 a lot
00:30:45.400 of it
00:30:45.600 comes
00:30:45.820 from China
00:30:46.220 and you
00:30:46.640 just can't
00:30:47.100 produce
00:30:47.380 enough
00:30:47.600 and so
00:30:48.660 I've
00:30:50.980 test driven
00:30:51.560 electric cars
00:30:52.620 I love them
00:30:53.100 they're great
00:30:53.540 a lot of fun
00:30:54.580 but if you
00:30:56.660 are looking
00:30:57.200 at transferring
00:30:58.380 the entire
00:30:59.640 load
00:31:00.320 across
00:31:01.020 by electrifying
00:31:03.120 everything
00:31:03.600 and then
00:31:04.400 putting in
00:31:05.200 intermittent
00:31:05.580 power sources
00:31:06.300 you have to
00:31:08.440 have a plan
00:31:09.060 to get from
00:31:09.680 here to
00:31:10.180 there
00:31:10.440 I have yet
00:31:11.440 to see one
00:31:11.980 to see one
00:31:12.780 heat
00:31:13.060 we were speaking
00:31:14.900 earlier about
00:31:15.660 geologic
00:31:16.540 and this
00:31:16.960 what I
00:31:17.560 characterize
00:31:18.000 as a Canadian
00:31:18.760 success story
00:31:19.620 and I go back
00:31:20.520 to your experience
00:31:21.280 here you came
00:31:21.860 to Calgary
00:31:22.360 you could have
00:31:22.800 gone anywhere
00:31:23.620 in the world
00:31:24.060 you could have
00:31:24.420 stayed in Scotland
00:31:25.060 you chose
00:31:25.900 you know
00:31:26.700 some years ago
00:31:27.300 to come here
00:31:27.840 if you were to
00:31:29.820 roll your age
00:31:31.220 back to how old
00:31:32.000 you were then
00:31:32.600 but you're making
00:31:33.780 that decision
00:31:34.340 in 2023
00:31:35.100 do you view
00:31:36.500 Canada as the
00:31:37.560 future where you
00:31:38.240 can build up a
00:31:39.400 career in the
00:31:39.940 energy sector
00:31:40.620 and help build
00:31:41.660 up a very
00:31:42.140 prosperous and
00:31:43.080 successful company
00:31:44.080 in that sector
00:31:44.760 I can't think
00:31:46.040 of a better
00:31:46.660 place than
00:31:47.560 Calgary
00:31:48.080 to do exactly
00:31:49.800 the same thing
00:31:50.400 again
00:31:50.700 even in 2023
00:31:52.100 with all of the
00:31:53.160 regulatory hurdles
00:31:54.020 and uncertainty
00:31:54.580 you'd still have
00:31:55.240 that optimism
00:31:55.820 there is no doubt
00:31:57.020 that Canada
00:31:57.740 has got a lot
00:31:58.560 of things that
00:31:59.160 they have to
00:31:59.580 rethink
00:32:00.100 I think in
00:32:01.040 Alberta
00:32:01.540 that I have
00:32:03.100 never seen
00:32:04.000 in the
00:32:05.580 41 years
00:32:07.820 I've been here
00:32:08.460 I've never seen
00:32:09.580 as many
00:32:10.460 opportunities
00:32:11.080 as there
00:32:11.440 are right
00:32:11.760 now
00:32:12.020 both
00:32:12.960 because the
00:32:13.880 industry
00:32:14.380 is going
00:32:15.040 to be
00:32:15.520 critical
00:32:16.640 going forward
00:32:17.480 it is driving
00:32:18.420 emissions
00:32:18.840 down
00:32:19.140 the key thing
00:32:21.100 is you need
00:32:21.540 to get rid
00:32:21.840 of emissions
00:32:22.260 you don't
00:32:22.680 need to get
00:32:23.000 rid of
00:32:23.340 fossil fuels
00:32:24.320 in addition
00:32:25.680 you add up
00:32:26.860 the capability
00:32:27.960 that is fear
00:32:29.280 in this province
00:32:30.180 for things like
00:32:32.060 carbon capture
00:32:32.680 and storage
00:32:33.240 and hydrogen
00:32:34.540 and helium
00:32:35.640 and lithium
00:32:36.940 I was told
00:32:38.320 by one of our
00:32:39.020 customers
00:32:39.400 that we
00:32:40.400 have got
00:32:40.840 the biggest
00:32:41.460 potential
00:32:42.040 lithium reserves
00:32:42.820 in the world
00:32:43.320 I thought it was
00:32:44.020 chilly
00:32:44.320 but I'm
00:32:44.740 nervous here
00:32:45.320 we have got
00:32:47.200 enormous capabilities
00:32:48.980 for carbon capture
00:32:49.900 and storage
00:32:50.360 some of them
00:32:51.980 biggest in the world
00:32:53.360 but partly because
00:32:54.880 of our geology
00:32:56.320 and partly because
00:32:57.020 of the technology
00:32:57.700 and hydrogen
00:32:59.900 has another
00:33:01.020 huge opportunity
00:33:02.040 there was a conference
00:33:03.200 in Edmonton
00:33:05.060 about three or four
00:33:05.880 months ago
00:33:06.400 8,000 people
00:33:08.260 attended
00:33:08.640 from 30 countries
00:33:09.680 to come to Edmonton
00:33:12.120 to talk about
00:33:12.780 this kind of stuff
00:33:13.380 so you layer
00:33:14.700 on all these
00:33:15.900 opportunities
00:33:16.520 and it is
00:33:18.220 there's enormous
00:33:19.520 capabilities out there
00:33:20.480 particularly
00:33:20.960 and this is key
00:33:23.140 it's a major
00:33:24.720 technology frontier
00:33:26.360 what we do
00:33:27.600 all the time
00:33:28.200 is
00:33:29.300 we're doing
00:33:30.380 advanced technology
00:33:31.760 I keep saying
00:33:32.980 to people
00:33:33.520 you know
00:33:34.920 what our people
00:33:35.740 do is
00:33:36.620 they create
00:33:37.900 value in a thin air
00:33:39.120 if you're a programmer
00:33:40.640 or a data person
00:33:42.380 you have got
00:33:43.520 nothing
00:33:44.000 except what's up here
00:33:45.140 you go
00:33:46.040 well let's
00:33:46.660 let's build this
00:33:47.640 and you create
00:33:49.160 value for people
00:33:49.940 from there
00:33:50.500 and
00:33:50.920 artificial intelligence
00:33:53.160 is another area
00:33:53.720 we're working
00:33:54.360 with
00:33:55.200 a number of
00:33:57.100 companies
00:33:57.900 to develop
00:33:58.840 yeah you're a
00:33:59.540 knowledge company
00:34:00.240 in a resource sector
00:34:01.280 here which is
00:34:01.840 particularly impressive
00:34:02.800 and so
00:34:03.480 the capabilities
00:34:04.760 that come from there
00:34:05.740 are going to be
00:34:06.940 my boy
00:34:07.340 more names
00:34:08.140 that we can do
00:34:08.680 so I'm very
00:34:10.220 very optimistic
00:34:11.880 well some of your
00:34:13.060 colleagues
00:34:13.480 you need to give
00:34:14.040 them a pep talk
00:34:14.720 you've been the
00:34:15.160 most optimistic
00:34:15.840 of them
00:34:16.340 so I'm glad
00:34:17.580 we get to end
00:34:18.460 on that note
00:34:18.960 David Hood of
00:34:19.780 Geologic
00:34:20.280 it's been a pleasure
00:34:20.880 thank you
00:34:21.380 thank you
00:34:21.820 Edward
00:34:22.000 thank you
00:34:23.060 that was David Hood
00:34:24.480 listen I followed
00:34:25.200 oil and gas
00:34:26.040 issues for quite a while
00:34:27.600 I don't consider myself
00:34:28.320 an expert
00:34:28.720 but I've developed
00:34:29.840 a knowledge
00:34:30.400 but I was learning
00:34:31.100 lots in every
00:34:32.120 one of these
00:34:32.560 interviews
00:34:32.860 so I hope
00:34:33.340 you have been
00:34:33.920 as well
00:34:34.260 we've got a few
00:34:35.200 more to go
00:34:35.840 until we wrap up
00:34:36.800 the series
00:34:37.180 probably sometime
00:34:38.060 at the end
00:34:38.600 of this week
00:34:39.520 so more of those
00:34:40.760 to come
00:34:41.220 but in the meantime
00:34:41.820 my thanks to all
00:34:42.760 of you for
00:34:43.340 tuning into the show
00:34:44.180 check back in
00:34:45.160 tomorrow for my
00:34:46.060 chat with
00:34:46.660 Danielle Smith
00:34:47.360 I hope everything
00:34:47.980 goes off without a
00:34:48.700 hitch because I've
00:34:49.140 been like shamelessly
00:34:50.180 promoting it for
00:34:50.720 the last three shows
00:34:51.500 so fingers crossed
00:34:52.860 that'll all work out
00:34:53.700 but one way or another
00:34:54.920 I will see you tomorrow
00:34:55.820 here on Canada's
00:34:57.140 most irreverent talk show
00:34:58.480 back in the home studio
00:34:59.420 thank you
00:35:00.220 God bless
00:35:00.820 and good day
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