Juno News - UNCENSORED： What Poilievre did wrong, and how he can win the next election (with Wyatt Claypool)

00:00:00.000 hi i'm candace malcolm and this is the candace malcolm show so we're doing a second segment here

00:00:06.880 with wyatt claypool we just did a segment on the biggest winners and losers of the election so if

00:00:12.880 you haven't already go watch that one first you can watch this one second before we get back into

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00:00:20.780 really helps us get discovered by more canadians okay so in our biggest winners and losers list

00:00:26.200 we didn't explicitly put pierre polyev on either list and i think it's just because it's a gray

00:00:31.560 area there's a lot of good things that happened on monday night and a lot of not so good things

00:00:36.220 that happened so we wanted to do a separate segment here to talk about our advice we're giving some

00:00:40.540 free advice to the conservative party the war room and to pierre polyev and his campaign on what we

00:00:45.980 think they should have done differently now i want to start by just putting one sort of rumor to rest

00:00:52.520 i don't think this is true and it is spreading a lot i hear this a lot from people i heard from

00:00:56.980 donald trump president donald trump and many others that pierre polyev blew a 20 point lead and while

00:01:03.340 in a certain sense that might be true i just want to walk you through the numbers and the facts here

00:01:08.160 because look at this this is from the polling aggregate 338 and it shows the polling numbers

00:01:13.580 dating back to january of 2024 now why and i talked in the last segment about why we don't always trust

00:01:19.920 the pollsters and we think that they got it wrong during the election but i think generally speaking

00:01:23.660 you can use it as a good barometer to find out where someone is polling so if you go back

00:01:27.600 to january 2024 and go all the way through to today you will see that yes pierre polyev did have a 20

00:01:35.720 point lead but that is because the liberal numbers were so down pierre polyev has the entire time been

00:01:41.980 polling around 40 i would say that that is the average going back it was right at 40 in january 2024

00:01:48.280 it bumped up to 42 43 percent in the time when justin trudeau was just wildly unpopular and then

00:01:55.980 he kind of stuck around in that 41 to 43 percent area he got a little bit of a bump at the end of

00:02:01.640 the year 2024 and beginning of 2025 when justin trudeau was just at peak weakness and then you can see

00:02:08.600 the major thing that happened is that the ndp vote collapsed so the ndp vote collapsed they basically did

00:02:14.080 what ezra levant called a controlled demolition of the party and all of their voters did exactly what

00:02:19.420 they were told and went over and voted for mark carney so mark carney's victory came at the expense

00:02:23.980 of the ndp mark carney did a miraculous 20 point turnaround that's what he accomplished but in

00:02:30.900 order to say that pierre polyev blew a 20 point lead you would have to assume that he fell 20 points

00:02:35.100 he didn't he maintained his share we talked about this before he got more a greater percentage of the

00:02:40.500 vote than any conservative has since the 80s folks and he got a higher percent even than stephen harper

00:02:47.360 in any of his governments and his in his 2011 majority government why what do you think and and

00:02:53.580 like we mentioned in in the last segment the conservatives also gained seats that they hadn't

00:02:58.680 won in literally several decades so this isn't something where we've taken our our geographical

00:03:05.140 appeal and we've moved the borders a little bit over in fact it was a very strange election where

00:03:10.560 not only uh were the seats like not only did the conservatives gain a lot of seats but the liberals

00:03:16.360 just happened to gain even more seats the the pro the thing with the conservatives was is that they

00:03:21.400 ended up actually shifting their appeal in a more blue collar direction we had more minority supporters

00:03:27.700 a lot of union workers voting conservative obviously western rural voters were still very solid

00:03:33.400 conservative voters but it's more so on the other side of things things shifted in such a way for

00:03:39.100 the liberal party that they ended up capturing a lot of seats that maybe we assumed were safe

00:03:43.760 not only was it carlton pure polyev seat although again that was helped by a redistribution of

00:03:50.320 boundaries into a more liberal area and that was always a riding i'd heard that polyev in the past had

00:03:55.840 had to fight for to maintain his 10 victory margin but we also lost michelle ferrari in peterborough who is a

00:04:02.540 fantastic mp we lost carolyn finley in uh south surrey white rock and these are just areas where we had

00:04:09.840 uh just to you know in demographics the demographics that went against conservatives were older white

00:04:16.040 voters basically legacy media viewers and obviously if you're watching a show like mine on youtube or

00:04:22.180 candace's you probably voted conservative no matter what uh age bracket or other demographic you're part of

00:04:28.100 but it did make a difference those were kind of the the battle lines of this election it was those metropolitan suburban

00:04:34.860 ridings that went more liberal which were usually which went very liberal if they were especially more older white

00:04:41.400 ridings that is all very true uh but i don't want to sugarcoat it okay i did an entire show on tuesday of all the good news

00:04:47.200 from the election i complimented pierre polyev i think he ran a very good campaign it's hard to criticize the conservatives when they

00:04:53.100 walk away with 41.3 of the vote that is enough to win in a majority government in almost any other

00:04:58.620 circumstance but because of the weird thing that happened in this election it wasn't enough i do want

00:05:02.960 to focus on my criticisms of the party in this episode and i want to kind of zero it in on two

00:05:08.520 different areas there were one strategy and tactics and two the policy so let's start with strategy and

00:05:14.120 tactics because you mentioned losing carlton why i think this is unforgivable i think from a strategy

00:05:19.560 perspective i don't know i don't want to put the blame squarely on pierre polyev or whether it should be his

00:05:24.520 campaign manager or his war room or whatever it is but it is so unforgivable for a party leader to basically be

00:05:30.820 allowed to be humiliated in the way that he did now you mentioned that it was partially because of the

00:05:35.960 redrawing of the district well that is something that we have known about for a very long time it should have been

00:05:41.360 prepared right so if you know pierre polyev's writing used to be very rural and it used to be a bit more reliable

00:05:46.440 if they all of a sudden they added suburbs that we know are employed where government employees live

00:05:51.100 and we know that federal employees are basically the base and the constituency of the little party

00:05:55.140 that should have all been predictable in the like in in advance of the campaign and so i don't

00:06:02.100 understand why they didn't put more resources more volunteers more money have pierre polyev spend

00:06:07.000 more time in his writing if it was that much for concern i mean i'll say frankly the friday before the

00:06:11.780 campaign i had you on my show and we call it fake news friday and we laughed at it right and i will admit

00:06:15.920 that we got it wrong i'll admit to the audience that sometimes we get it wrong here i thought that

00:06:20.200 the legacy media was lying about that that they were pushing this story to try to humiliate polyev i

00:06:24.540 didn't realize that it was actually true that he was actually at risk of losing his seat and he did

00:06:28.920 and it wasn't necessarily that close and so if they knew this in advance which they should have if they

00:06:34.120 didn't know this in advance they should all be fired because this is unforgivable put pierre polyev in a

00:06:38.500 safer riding he's the leader of the party he's the head of a movement he's done so much for the

00:06:42.140 conservative party find a safer riding come up with an excuse say him and his family wanted to

00:06:45.920 move out of the ottawa area and they moved to this part of rural ontario put them in a safe seat

00:06:50.080 and so the fact that they didn't is unforgivable that is a huge l in my perspective what do you think

00:06:55.300 well and here's the thing i i frequently say about people who work in politics in terms of campaign

00:07:02.240 staff and consultants and managers is that their big problem is that instead of being strategists and

00:07:08.860 managers they become risk managers that is all they they care about they end up really pulling

00:07:14.980 punches they don't want to risk anything because what happens if it turns bad on us what happens if

00:07:19.640 we actually get hurt by doing this and you would think that these people who tend to be risk averse

00:07:24.340 would have made the tactical withdrawal from carlton saying hey polyev loved being the mp from carlton

00:07:30.220 but it is a riding where you have to really work for it if you're the liberal or the conservative and

00:07:34.920 you can't really do that if you're the leader of a party you can't be constantly jet setting back to

00:07:39.340 your riding in order just to hit another few hundred doors to make sure people know that you

00:07:43.600 still exist you got to be out in the swing areas so they should have been able to pull him back and

00:07:47.780 says he's going to move over to a safer area of ontario he's going to move to calgary going to move

00:07:52.860 to edmonton and the fact that again we assumed that he was going to win his riding partially on the

00:07:58.820 assumption that his team wouldn't let him run there if he couldn't win exactly exactly exactly i think

00:08:04.180 it's unforgivable okay next in in in the strategy and tactics column this is something that pierre

00:08:10.340 polyev got accused of a lot and i half agree with this one the idea was that they hid from legacy

00:08:15.240 media they refused to do sit down interviews and oddly they didn't do enough with independent media

00:08:20.160 with content creators i will say by the end of the campaign pierre polyev was out on podcasts he did

00:08:25.460 jasmine lane's podcast i saw my northern perspective he was there but he didn't do very much of that he

00:08:31.060 didn't like we said in the last episode he didn't do a lot of the big u.s

00:08:34.020 podcast i don't think that really hurt him per se but it did have there was a sort of image that

00:08:39.540 he was kind of hiding that he wasn't out there in the media in the way that he has shown been able

00:08:44.920 to shine in the past and on top of that i heard this from so many people in local campaigns that

00:08:50.980 they wouldn't let local candidates do anything like local candidates were not allowed to so much

00:08:55.020 as do a local radio interview they were told not to go to their all candidates forum they're basically

00:08:59.360 told to just go knock on the doors and that was a strategy and i know that that was a strategy in

00:09:03.700 the past with the harper government like really tight message control don't let anyone say anything

00:09:07.780 we don't want the national story to become about some local candidate that slightly went off script

00:09:13.060 like i understand all that but i think in 2025 with the media landscape with everyone with social media

00:09:17.460 you have all these people who are assets all of your candidates why not let them go out there and

00:09:22.020 field some questions and and take on the issues right like you're only going to win the battle of

00:09:26.660 ideas if you show up for the fight and so it was a little disappointing to see this strategy of sort of

00:09:31.780 ducking and hiding what do you think a few things on that so first off let's also just acknowledge

00:09:37.620 the fact that while harper's people did do this harper also lost in 2015 harper did this to perfection

00:09:45.620 in 2015 just run a campaign that makes people feel nice and easy and you know you don't make any

00:09:51.380 mistakes and hopefully then they'll return you to office and the thing that he was hit for often and

00:09:56.020 it might be unfair but it's just how people vote they thought well harper's stale harper's boring

00:10:00.740 let's have the guy with nice hair be the prime minister and you know we could say that a lot

00:10:04.740 of voters fell for it but that's just how politics ends up working another thing too here is that

00:10:10.900 anyone who knows anything about marketing knows that you need a lot of different touch points with

00:10:15.300 people in order to convince them that you're the guy or that they should buy this product and if

00:10:20.340 they're only ever seeing you while knocking their door well you're gonna maybe talk to a third of

00:10:26.500 voters because if you've ever gone door knocking most people are not home all the time and putting

00:10:31.220 a leaflet in their door and them seeing a youtube ad from hq is not going to make a lot of people

00:10:36.420 feel like i definitely got to run out of the house at 7 a.m to put a ballot in the ballot box for these

00:10:41.380 people and so they needed yeah those little touch points a local podcast local radio show they should

00:10:47.460 be showing up to events i heard that candidates were having to ask permission to go to events so

00:10:52.340 apparently you have to ask to go to a farmer's market and uh in order like even though you need

00:10:58.180 to connect with people in your local area i i heard candidates who at some point they just said

00:11:02.980 they had a handler they had a party handler with them and eventually they kind of worked a

00:11:08.020 relationship with the handler where you pretend like you're trying to stop me from doing these

00:11:11.940 things so you don't get fired and i'm gonna go speak to the community leaders and do the shows and

00:11:16.500 do the videos that i want to do because we got to win this thing and they were probably right for doing

00:11:21.220 that and then the last thing on this is that the conservative party its strength over time has

00:11:27.940 always been that it's a party of big characters big personalities people who are really big community

00:11:34.580 figures you could say that there's some of them are eccentric at the same time they won back in the

00:11:39.220 day i always think of my former mp rob anders who always used to be able to win easily in in calgary uh

00:11:46.740 west and calgary signal hill you would win by rural numbers in the city of calgary 75 in some of his

00:11:54.260 in some of his elections yes it's a safe riding but you only make us riding that safe when there's

00:11:59.140 a good portion of people who actually do like you and when you end up stripping away all the virtues

00:12:03.940 of a candidate and you're just left with them as a political machine going around asking people for votes

00:12:09.860 you're gonna find there's a certain type of voter who thinks that well this feels a little bit

00:12:14.180 like you're i'm just being rushed out to put a ballot in the ballot box this isn't like the 1880s

00:12:18.980 you know we don't just stick ballots in people's hands and force them into the booth well it's

00:12:23.620 interesting because we talked in the last segment about uh the people's party maxim bernian so their

00:12:27.380 criticisms of the conservatives and in this way i i do kind of prefer the american system where there is

00:12:32.500 no central party that controls all the candidates across the country so what you end up happening in

00:12:36.740 the states you have the individual representatives and candidates for the republican party actually being

00:12:42.340 more connected to the base they have an incentive to be more conservative and more right-wing because

00:12:47.140 they want to get elected whereas in canada it's almost the opposite where you we end up with uh

00:12:52.020 well this time around certainly we have a more conservative leader and then in many ways they've

00:12:56.820 planted like right red tories throughout the campaign just to keep them quiet to keep them in

00:13:01.220 line they don't want to have the kind of big personalities like the brawbanders that you talked about

00:13:05.780 and it is disappointing i would have liked to say you know it's 2025 you have to meet viewers where they are

00:13:10.100 do more things on tick tock get get out there more have more people articulating the vision of the

00:13:16.580 future under a conservative government i think that this happened in the u.s election wide with

00:13:20.900 it wasn't just donald trump right like i i talked to many people americans that were convinced to vote

00:13:26.100 for trump when they saw jd vance on the vp debate stage because he just seemed so stable and competent

00:13:31.380 and he was able to articulate trump's vision in some ways better than trump himself you also had people

00:13:36.260 who voted for trump because of someone like robert f kennedy jr or tulsi gabbard people who were part

00:13:41.460 of the coalition and they were all empowered to go out there and speak on behalf of the movement

00:13:45.700 and here in canada it just seemed like it was all on peer poly of shoulders and then again his

00:13:50.500 strategy was in many ways to not i mean he was doing his rallies yes but at his rallies he was sort of

00:13:55.060 giving the same speech over and over again so you weren't really seeing anything new or dynamic on the

00:14:00.020 campaign and that's the thing is that poly of at his best is poly of just doing what he wants

00:14:06.660 poly of his best is poly of on the debate stage where you you can go in with the script but you

00:14:12.020 can't exactly script out a debate you got to kind of move on the spot that's why mark carney frankly

00:14:16.980 wasn't very good on stage because if it's not a scripted answer he's going to fumble it but he's always

00:14:22.420 good on the debate stage he's good on on jordan peterson's podcast he's good when he's connecting

00:14:27.380 with people who may be low propensity voters convincing them that maybe you should turn out

00:14:31.940 because i think that we truly probably were a few canadian podcasts because i don't think the

00:14:37.060 americans would have really helped that much plus it would have fueled the idea of oh my goodness look 1.00

00:14:41.220 peer poly is going down south to speak to the media because he's as secretly an american yeah but but uh

00:14:48.340 we were probably a few podcasts away a few candidate debates away uh in terms of the local candidates we

00:14:54.100 were probably a few community events away from a lot of these ridings flipping blue but the thing is

00:15:00.500 that something i often say about the conservative strategy is that they fight it like block house

00:15:07.140 warfare we have our territory we have our 42 percent of the vote that we think we can get now we're just

00:15:12.580 going to put blocks houses along the territory to defend it but the problem is when you play a purely

00:15:17.300 defensive game the best you do in a day is you don't lose ground and the worst you do is you lose

00:15:23.540 everything you have because you always have to be offensive at all times you always have to be

00:15:28.020 taking territory at the same time that you're defending and the conservative party of course did that at

00:15:33.140 times but i think with their local candidates they didn't let them loose to go on the offensive well

00:15:38.740 what you're describing is exactly what happened in 2021 when erin otul just assumed that the base

00:15:43.220 would show up for him and so he tried to tack to the left to the center copying the liberals and

00:15:48.340 everything from their carbon tax uh to all their social policies and it just didn't work for him

00:15:52.260 he fell apart and the base was so betrayed that they ousted him as leader at the first possible

00:15:56.340 opportunity well i want to tie this next one into what you're saying this is kind of a mixture of

00:16:00.340 tactics and strategy and also policy which is that as soon as donald trump came in with the 51st state

00:16:05.860 stuff and mark kearney became the leader it seemed like pierre polyev was just sort of caught flat

00:16:10.580 footed where he had been so effective at playing offense at hitting hard against justin trudeau

00:16:15.780 hitting hard against the fake news and legacy media and then all of a sudden he turned around and he had to

00:16:20.580 play defense to the accusations that he was too much like trump too pro-american and that he wasn't

00:16:25.780 differentiating himself it seemed like at that point the strategy was just to copy the liberals

00:16:30.580 and to adopt their policy on donald trump so that they couldn't be accused of that it seemed insincere

00:16:36.180 and it made pierre polyev again seem like he was playing defense it seemed like he got stuck in aaron

00:16:41.460 otul mode and when i interviewed him in mid-february when i sat down with pierre polyev for my exclusive

00:16:47.140 interview at that time i asked him why is a conservative advocating for a 25 liberal tax on

00:16:54.500 canadians right that is what the policy was for the conservatives they agreed there should be dollar

00:16:59.300 for dollar reciprocal trade against tariffs against the americans so if the americans are going to slap

00:17:04.660 25 tariffs on goods coming to canada we're going to slap them on goods coming from the us that's a tax

00:17:09.860 on canadians andrew lawton even said this on my show yesterday that tariffs are bad and they hurt

00:17:14.180 everyone and i'm thinking the conservatives advocated for tariffs in this election that

00:17:19.220 was their official policy i think that that was a mistake what do you think and there was an easy

00:17:24.100 win in it because by adopting the liberal uh policy all you're doing is just reducing the positive effect

00:17:30.900 of them saying it first by saying well both of these parties do advocate for it but the first party

00:17:36.020 to say it always is going to get the most credit and obviously the government has the advantage

00:17:41.140 because they can actually implement but what the conservatives should have been doing on that is

00:17:45.140 what they were doing on the issue of crime with polyev saying that multiple murderers cannot serve

00:17:51.140 all of their uh sentences at the same time they have to conserve them consecutively he ended up baiting

00:17:57.060 out mark carney into then saying well i think that could be seen as an abuse of power that's not what

00:18:03.540 the notwithstanding clause is used for it's like are you defending multiple murderers and what they should

00:18:09.220 have done on trade is saying you know what like we shouldn't be putting out reciprocal tariffs we

00:18:13.220 should be cutting taxes i i was constantly saying on my show that what they should be painting the

00:18:19.220 picture of is that it seems like mark carney is only upset by trump putting on tariffs because it's

00:18:24.420 usually him and the liberals job to kick canadians in the face that the whole point is maybe we should

00:18:29.380 out-compete the americans not just sort of go down to their level and do you know who actually had

00:18:35.060 probably the best response on the 51st state rhetoric by trump it hurts me to say it it was

00:18:40.980 green party leader elizabeth may because she joked about it and then she moved on she talked about

00:18:46.660 well i don't think can should be the 51st state i think cal california should be the the the 11th

00:18:52.740 province it's like that's a good line that's just a good line and that's what something that someone in

00:18:57.700 hq should have thought of but the problem what they do is they start focus grouping everything and

00:19:02.260 that's why it felt like everything screeched to a halt probably for a couple months they were focus

00:19:06.820 grouping it yeah and then they were on their on they were on their defense or flat-footed and it

00:19:12.580 just lost the momentum at a critical critical time peer poly of strength right was explaining

00:19:17.700 complicated things that were happening in the economy with taxes with inflation with housing prices

00:19:21.940 and explaining it to canadians in a way that made sense to them and coming up with a different

00:19:25.380 solution i could have just as easily seen them say listen a tariff is bad whether it is a trump

00:19:30.340 tariff or whether it is a carny tariff it is a tax on you and all this is is a 25 tax on canadians

00:19:37.140 in the middle of this economy in the middle of all of these other taxes they put on us they now

00:19:41.380 want to slap another 25 tax on canadians i think that that should have been poliev's line i think he

00:19:46.900 would have been really good at it and i think it could have led to a different outcome in the ocean

00:19:51.300 now i don't want to come down too hard on them because like i said they got 42 41 of the vote

00:19:55.460 they did win a lot and you know maybe their strategy was just fine but this was one thing

00:20:01.300 that i think that they could have done differently and i think that it could have had a difference i

00:20:05.540 just finally i want to talk a little bit about other policy positions because i think that overall

00:20:10.580 poliev was really good on policy if i had to do a report card i would have given him like an eight

00:20:14.740 out of ten but i think that they could have maybe benefited from going a little deeper and making a more

00:20:20.420 clear differentiation so back in 2011 when stephen harper won he kind of famously had like very

00:20:26.580 simple i think it was like a five-point plan it was like lower the gst it was very simple and very

00:20:31.940 easy to understand i wish that poliev had come up with something like that i think he could have

00:20:35.620 utilized the immigration issue i think he could have come out and said we're going to cap immigration

00:20:39.540 at a lower number any lower number 150 000 200 000 maybe go even low as 100 000 and that would have

00:20:45.380 been something that could have stuck with canadians instead he never really clearly came out and said

00:20:49.540 his immigration number i know when he did that interview with me back in february he said he

00:20:53.060 was going to go back to harper level numbers but he never put an exact number on it so i would have

00:20:57.540 liked to see pierre have a few more very specific policies what do you think i actually did a poll

00:21:03.220 with kolsovsky strategies showing that a 100 000 pr immigration cap for several years would get 75 percent

00:21:12.420 of canadians on board a 75 reduction to get 75 percent of canadians on board including 58 percent of

00:21:19.300 people voting ndp and 72 percent of people voting liberal and that's what your policy book should

00:21:25.220 do it shouldn't just be ideas where people look at it and say well that that sounds nice it should be

00:21:30.500 things that actually get people to think hard something that's not been proposed before but it

00:21:34.740 becomes a wedge issue are you on side with over 400 000 new immigrants new permanent residents per year

00:21:42.180 do you want to be a hundred thousand so that your kid can actually buy a house in the next few years

00:21:46.660 and i think that's what they need to do and on certain topics they did do it again on crime

00:21:50.660 they've they did it pretty well on other issues they had done a good contrast with the liberals but

00:21:56.500 on things like taxes i know his tax reduction for under fifty thousand dollars was much bigger than

00:22:03.940 the the carney liberals carney had wanted to cut it by one percent polioff had wanted to cut it by two

00:22:09.380 and a quarter i would have said cut it by two and a quarter for every bracket because that's how you're

00:22:14.900 going to get the upper middle class people who are watching legacy media all day who think that

00:22:19.940 they need to vote to stop trump to actually say wait carney's supposedly trying to protect me but

00:22:26.100 he won't even cut my taxes and that's what i would have gone after him on i actually liked when he says

00:22:30.260 i'm gonna get rid of the industrial carbon tax guess what that didn't hurt the conservatives at all to

00:22:34.420 say that they were going to get rid of the industrial carbon tax but and i didn't think they played it well

00:22:38.500 enough but they could have put carney in the patriotism trap of saying okay so you want to defend

00:22:44.260 canada and you don't want canada to become the 51st state but you're going to keep punishing our

00:22:49.940 businesses far more than the americans do with their taxes so sorry who here is the person who's

00:22:56.180 like who's who's the person hurting canadians more the man who doesn't want to actually lower corporate

00:23:01.940 taxes or the person who's just put in tariff on on all imports on certain products like you almost

00:23:07.380 seem worse than donald trump on this particular issue and i think we should just not have either

00:23:11.860 tariffs or carbon taxes okay hear me out on this this is what i think the peer poly of should have

00:23:16.340 run on one 100 000 immigration cap two no tariffs three life set like no more consecutive life

00:23:23.620 sentences throw the murderers in jail um four i love it across attack across the board tax cuts for every

00:23:29.620 bracket and five this is very simple and this is something the conservatives were afraid of in the

00:23:33.140 campaign boys are boys girls are girls and they cannot change and i think that that last one is

00:23:39.060 something that has been a winning issue in the united states been a winning issue in the united

00:23:42.980 kingdom it is a big cultural issue at the time it is very important in the minds of parents in the

00:23:48.020 minds of anyone who has a daughter who plays sports anyone who is concerned about women's prisons

00:23:53.220 or women's shelters this is a major issue and i saw that the conservatives were just too polite

00:23:58.660 too nervous too worried didn't want to touch it and that's too bad i'm not trying to stoke

00:24:03.460 divisions and play up identity politics that's not what i'm trying to do but it is a principled issue

00:24:08.900 and it is an issue where the conservatives can be wildly successful if they're willing to articulate

00:24:14.100 the issue in a good way so i think i think those five if that was his policy i think that pierre

00:24:18.180 poly would be prime minister right now you're absolutely right because when i ran for a conservative

00:24:22.500 party nomination in calgary signal hill my three points i'd always hit people with was a parental bill

00:24:28.820 of rights i wanted a two-thirds reduction in immigration at the time this is 23 24 so i would

00:24:34.580 have probably increased it now if i was doing it to three quarters and then the last one was a two

00:24:39.540 percent like two overall point percentage reduction of of taxes in every single bracket

00:24:46.180 and i had people who described themselves as centrists at the door who as soon as i started

00:24:50.180 talking about immigration they'd get quieter but they'd be like yeah you're kind of right it's like 1.00

00:24:54.260 way too much because i would just use the line it's not me saying there's too many people entering

00:24:58.100 the country it's math saying there's too many people that's well and people just start to feel

00:25:03.060 it in other ways in the cost of living in cost of housing in just kind of cultural changes that they

00:25:07.940 might notice in their neighborhood obviously the radical you know hummus nix protesting or the ethnic

00:25:14.020 fighting between sikhs and hindus in brampton like there are all kinds of data points that hit

00:25:17.940 different canadians in different ways and i think that's one of those things that they would quietly

00:25:21.620 agree with even though even if they wouldn't necessarily um say it aloud all right well why we gave some

00:25:26.260 free advice to the conservative party take it or leave it i do think that peer polyev ran a good

00:25:30.340 campaign and i think he should stay on as leader of the party but definitely make some changes for

00:25:34.660 the next election anything else you want to say on this topic well i i'd echo what you're saying um i

00:25:40.100 think polyev had far more virtues than he had ever had drawbacks as leader better leader than o'toole

00:25:46.660 easily better leader than andrew sheeran i would say he was better leader than harper was in 2015.

00:25:51.860 so it would be preemptive to say well he lost he has to go i've even heard the idea that whenever

00:25:57.860 you have a leader who maybe even underperformed they're only ever going to be 15 of the issue i

00:26:02.660 don't even think that polyev was much of an issue at all in fact i think he added a lot of uh if he

00:26:08.420 was a different leader we probably have performed far worse i would say that in so many ways i hope

00:26:13.940 that polyev doesn't get blamed for the problems of his own team behind him because he's the leader he's

00:26:20.660 doing rallies every day he's running around the country he doesn't really have time to micromanage

00:26:25.140 the people behind the scenes who are telling candidates they're not allowed to go to local

00:26:28.740 debates they're not allowed to go to events and they're they're rolling out policy uh platforms

00:26:34.900 really late in the campaign and it's a little bit watery on certain issues and they've probably focus

00:26:39.460 grouped it a little bit too much that's the big area that they need to have change it's the back room

00:26:45.460 of people who frankly over the last couple of days have been slapping each other on the back

00:26:50.820 and saying well wasn't it such a great campaign in some ways but let's not talk let's not keep gassing

00:26:56.420 each other up when we when we didn't get the win we got to actually demonstrate the ability to know

00:27:01.380 okay here's a couple points we didn't do well on let's do better next time well exactly i think

00:27:05.460 we're gonna head into an election inside 24 months hopefully inside 18 months i really do hope that that

00:27:10.420 this parliament is short-lived and that the conservatives have another chance to take back the country

00:27:14.420 and they have to learn from the mistakes so that's why we wanted to document them here for you today

00:27:19.540 all right focuses all the time we have for today that's wyatt claypool i'm kendis malcolm this is

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UNCENSORED： What Poilievre did wrong, and how he can win the next election (with Wyatt Claypool)

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