Vaccine Passports and the Permanent Lockdown
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The Andrew Lawton Show is back on the road filming Assaulted, Justin Trudeau's War on Gun Owners. In this episode, Andrew talks about what it's like to film across the country as part of the nationwide production tour of Assaulted.
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This is The Andrew Lawton Show, brought to you by True North.
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Coming up, ending the permanent lockdown, vaccine passports,
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and the government chooses suicide promotion over suicide prevention.
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This is The Andrew Lawton Show here on True North.
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I don't want to say off, but I took a couple of days in which I didn't record the show when I normally would
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because I was, as you may have seen if you've been following True North,
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starting the cross-country production of Assaulted, Justin Trudeau's War on Gun Owners.
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We did a lot of filming last week in British Columbia, went all over the province
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and had an absolutely great time, I think, talking to real gun owners,
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real Canadians, law-abiding people who are being affected by Justin Trudeau's crusade against guns.
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And I want to play for you a little update I got to record
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against the backdrop of the beautiful mountains from British Columbia.
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I'm traveling the country as part of the nationwide production tour of my first documentary,
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We kicked things off this week and it has been a busy week going across British Columbia.
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And let me tell you, I've been talking to gun owners, people who run gun businesses,
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and I even got the chance to head out to the range myself.
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We're talking to the real people across this country who are affected negatively
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by Justin Trudeau's and the Liberal government's war on guns,
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This is a community that feels assaulted and violated by these policies,
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So I'm going across the country, starting in BC, to put a face and a voice to these people.
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The mainstream media, the government, they may be ignoring these people,
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If you support this project and want to be a part of it,
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head on over to www.assaulted.ca to learn about it and make a contribution.
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Anyone who donates more than $100 gets their name listed in the credits of each episode of this
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And thanks again to all of you who have supported this project so far.
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We're going to be doing more filming in Alberta and Ontario in the next little while.
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And as I've mentioned, I'd love to get out to Atlantic Canada.
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I don't know if it's going to be possible with the travel restrictions there.
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I did look into it, and they don't have, like other jurisdictions do,
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an exemption for people in media, for journalists.
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So if I were to go out there to do, you know, three or four days of filming,
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I'd have to first spend two weeks in a hotel room, which, I mean, like so many other Canadians,
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I'm feeling like I would rather not be relegated to hotel quarantine.
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Although I will say the federal government is actually expanding the hotel quarantine.
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They didn't have nearly enough hotels, apparently, from demand.
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And I think the government actually underestimated how many people are still wanting to travel.
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So when they first announced this, people were finding that they couldn't get into hotels
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You only had a few of them, and not even entire hotels.
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It was just smaller sections of hotels that were at airports.
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The Public Health Agency of Canada is accepting more hotel applications if they meet all these criteria.
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Right now, there are 47 hotels available, some of which can be booked online.
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But they're trying to get more and more of these.
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And I just will say that when we were headed out to do Assaulted,
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And I don't know how many people were going internationally or not.
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There was one family that I was on a plane with that was off to Florida, a family of four.
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The challenge is the government has made it harder and harder for individuals to do it,
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They can afford to take the two weeks of quarantine.
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They can afford to spend two grand on the quarantine hotel or all that jazz.
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So all the government has done is gone after people who are of lesser means,
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which is funny because this is the government that claims that it's the great
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But now they've just made international travel a privilege for only the elites of society.
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The problem that we have is that other countries are going to be safer and safer than Canada is.
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Other countries are in the process of reopening.
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Other countries are in the process of getting their populations vaccinated for those who want it,
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I think every time I check the list, we keep going down it even more.
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And these are the hotels, of course, where one woman had been sexually assaulted.
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So there are significant problems in how the hotels are adjusting to this program as it is,
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which means I'm quite sympathetic to Canadians that aren't quite fans of it.
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You can take hotels that have been operating for years just fine.
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The second you make the hotels agents of government,
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they cease to be able to do anything on their own.
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Once government gets involved, no one has any idea how to do it,
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Even booking a reservation at one of these hotels,
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which you could always just do by calling up the hotel,
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the government tried to centralize the process,
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which was really the beginning of why all of it was just so difficult for people.
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And you had people that were at the airport arrivals area
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just trying to book their quarantine hotel and not able to get through,
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that we need to see more politicians speaking up against lockdowns.
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The most recent was Conservative MP David Sweet,
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but very small numbers of politicians that are standing up and saying,
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And when they do, finding themselves relegated to the fringes of discourse.
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What Aaron O'Toole had said to David Sweet is that,
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oh, well, you know, I understand people getting frustrated a year in,
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Really? Opposing lockdown is counterproductive?
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We know Roman Baber was kicked out of caucus for opposing lockdowns.
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Belinda Karajalios for trying to go against her PC party and her government at the time
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because she didn't like that they were trying to seize power.
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So all of these people that have been standing up for the right to get back to our normal lives,
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for the most part, are being forced into the fringes of political debate.
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And I was very pleased to see this weekend, Michelle Rempel, a Conservative MP,
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actually sponsor a petition and release a video on the importance of having a new path forward,
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Michelle has been always solid on the side of business.
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And more importantly, good to see a voice from the mainstream political debate saying,
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Here was a little bit of the video that she posted accompanying the petition.
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Every Canadian watching this will have sacrificed something over the last year during the COVID-19 pandemic.
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The good news is that a year into the pandemic, the world has tools to prevent the spread of COVID-19
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and to protect those who are most vulnerable to it in a much better way.
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And we have better data now to understand how COVID-19 spreads, what it is, and how to prevent it.
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A year into the pandemic, after many have lost their lives or lost their jobs or are having a hard time with their mental health,
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I think that at this point, after a year, it is more than reasonable for leaders across the country,
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but particularly in the federal government, to be providing a plan to Canadians to tell us how they're going to use these new tools,
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deploy them in a widespread fashion, so that we can stop the never-ending and uncertain threat of more and deeper COVID-19 restrictions.
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And admittedly, it's kind of a depressing petition, but it's more depressing in the sense of what it's coming in the context of.
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The orders are to immediately present a clear plan to get Canadians safely out of lockdown,
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and that this plan include data-driven goals, a plan of action, and a timeline to achieve those goals,
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and ensure the plan is articulated to Canadians so they have hope about when life and business will return to normal.
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And just to put this in context here, 51% of Canadian businesses are uncertain they can remain open,
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And I don't know if this is exactly a scientific poll, but still, it's from a survey on business conditions,
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talking to business owners, and half of Canadian businesses,
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you know what, we might have to shut down before the end of the year.
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And part of what I was talking about earlier with the Assaulted documentary
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is talking to gun owners who are affected, and gun business owners too,
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affected by government policies that have basically written off their businesses.
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Well, if 50% of businesses in Canada are saying they can't see a future for themselves,
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this is gun businesses, this is restaurants, this is pharmacies, retail outlets,
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And what's going to happen, and this is where you start going down that road,
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where a lot of people have said it before, of the cure being worse than the disease,
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because a lot of people simply do not see a future under the economic conditions right now
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And you can't just keep everyone on the, whatever CERB became, I think the CRB,
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you can't just keep everyone on the government benefit program indefinitely,
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as though that is a substitute for a society and a culture and a country
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in which people can go around, businesses can open their doors,
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people can live their lives as close to normally as possible.
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And the way we get to normal is very important.
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I want to just talk briefly about this admission from Health Minister Paddy Haidu
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that apparently G7 nations are very seriously considering the idea of vaccine passports,
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which is basically a proof of vaccination that you need to go and live your life normally.
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Health Minister Paddy Haidu telling CTV's Question Period that a COVID-19 vaccination passport
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The International Association of Transportation is looking at exactly that.
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What kind of evidence or documents do people have to provide in order to resume international travel?
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Now, less than two months ago, Justin Trudeau called the idea of vaccine passports divisive.
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who is not saying clearly in the interview whether Canada is considering it,
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although is saying that the discussion is being had by G7 countries in which Canada is a part.
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There's whether you would have something like this domestically
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And I am a firm believer in countries' rights to secure their own borders.
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So the reality of this is that a country like Israel, a country like the UK,
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a country like France or whatever could very easily say,
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we will not take tourists unless they have a vaccine.
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And in that case, even if Canada isn't a part of a vaccine passport,
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And this is the problem with global politics becoming the norm.
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This is the problem with international institutions getting to call the shots
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instead of just sovereign states deciding what's right for themselves.
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Because if there is an international push for this, like at the G7 level or even larger,
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then we're going to see Canada having to go along with it.
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And for example, Air Canada could say, well, you know, we don't care.
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But if the destination you want to go on your Air Canada flight to requires it,
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So even if Canada doesn't go down the road of requiring this domestically,
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it's still going to be something that I'm confident people are going to have to have
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because the world seems to be moving in that direction.
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And there is a significant challenge here that the world is moving more towards this place
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where we don't have a respect for civil liberties.
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We don't have a respect for the right to work, the right to have your business open.
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And those will be long-lasting effects of this.
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people who have symptoms of COVID long after their diagnosis.
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which is governments continuing to impose conditions and restrictions on people
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long after the public health emergency has elapsed.
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And it's a dangerous one and why we need to see more political leadership
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pushing back against these lockdowns and pushing back against these restrictions.
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So I commend Michelle Rempel for doing it.
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I want to see more of her colleagues, not just sponsoring petitions,
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but introducing motions, actually vocally calling out governments
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that continue to use non-scientific measures to restrict things
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that aren't actually amounting to all that much in the success against COVID-19.
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When we come back, more of The Andrew Lawton Show here on True North.
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I want to shift to an issue that is a personal one,
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Isn't that that old feminist axiom that the personal is the political?
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As some of you may know and some of you may not know,
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I was nearly successful in attempting to take my own life.
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And as far as the reasons and the circumstances go,
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they're not particularly relevant to this discussion,
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So serious, in fact, that I thought that my life would be better served by being over
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Why this is relevant now is that the Liberal government
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is entertaining a Senate amendment to a bill expanding access to assisted death.
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And one of the amendments makes it so that someone whose sole issue
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is dealing with mental illness could access medical assisted death,
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could access assisted suicide in the healthcare system.
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Someone with depression, where we would normally say,
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well, here are all the reasons you shouldn't end your life,
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Now, the implications of this on the mental healthcare system are significant.
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which is not generally a political body at all,
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We can't accept legislation that views mental illnesses as irremediable,
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which is really at the cornerstone of assisted death.
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You have to have something that is not going to get better.
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Well, to go back to my own story, as a suicide survivor,
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I was 110% convinced that there was no way my life could get better.
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And this is so heartbreaking when I think of how the government
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is actually going down the road of suicide promotion rather than prevention.
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that is the one we've been trying to fight against.
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Think of how many billions of dollars have been spent
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on different treatment programs, expanding access to care.
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And all behind that is the message to people that,
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as they are saying, in effect, by accepting this amendment,
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If you want to take your life, you want to kill yourself,
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if they had put this in the original text of the bill.
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if this was orchestrated so that they didn't actually have to have
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I want to talk about the process and the implications of this
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with MP Garnett Janis, Conservative Member of Parliament,
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who has done a lot of great work on this issue.
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And I should say that we were actually speaking about this
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on your show last night, on your Facebook page.
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And I'm glad to be back in our respective normal chairs here
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Now, you've actually wanted to get people to tell their stories.
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We've reached out to people to ask them to share their stories,
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their personal stories related to mental health challenges
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or could have affected them at past moments of crisis.
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And we've gotten over 70 stories already from Canadians
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who have personal experiences that they're prepared to share.
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So we had a press conference with a number of those folks on Monday.
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We're doing Facebook Lives on my page every night this week,
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We're not going to have enough time to share all of them,
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but I really salute people who have the courage to come forward
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because I think it is important that the government
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is trying to rush this through, relatively speaking,
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medical assistance in dying for those with mental health challenges.
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And then at the last minute, the government said,
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yeah, we're going to accept the Senate amendment.
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They decided to do that in a motion that was published late on a Tuesday night,
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And then they expected the House to pass it the following day.
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Just totally outrageous, their expectation that between announcing this change
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in position in the adoption of the House of Commons,
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And they kept trying different procedural things to rush this through.
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And we've said, no, we need to hear from Canadians on this.
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This is an issue that should at least be studied by a parliamentary committee.
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This is a dramatic change in how our society would operate,
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from one in which people with mental health challenges are offered suicide prevention,
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to one in which people with those mental health challenges
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could be offered suicide facilitation by our public health care system.
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And one of the things I raised when you and I were speaking last night
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is that I'm convinced that if a committee were to hear the stories
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of people who themselves are survivors of suicide,
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there's no way in a million years they could actually get on board with passing this.
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And it almost seems deliberate in that way for this to come about
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without that process, without the opportunity to hear from witness testimony.
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The House of Commons committee that was studying this,
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by the way, the House of Commons committee study on it was quite limited as well,
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you have a particular court decision in Quebec, the Truchon decision.
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Now, we think that should have been appealed to the Supreme Court.
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But in any event, the government decided to legislate on the basis of that decision.
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But then they dramatically expanded the issues that were in that piece of legislation.
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So the Truchon decision dealt with the issue of reasonable foreseeability.
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The government removed a whole bunch of safeguards.
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And they said, we have to rush this bill through to make the court timeline.
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Well, if you want to worry about the court timeline,
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then how about you legislate in a way that specifically responds to the court and nothing else,
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instead of throwing a whole bunch of other issues.
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And then this is just the continuation of the story,
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which is the government adding in the mental health piece at this late stage
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with no House of Commons committee study on that issue at all.
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And then them again using the excuse of the court deadline,
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even though very clearly they're continually expanding the scope.
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The Truchon decision had nothing to do with the mental health piece at all.
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That expansion is key because I remember when the very first legislation was put forward,
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And most people on the left were understanding that,
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yeah, you know, we need to have these safeguards,
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And now with the mental health case that we're talking about now,
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even beyond things that weren't even talked about,
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things that were actually laughed at when someone were to bring them up.
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Because I remember I brought this up the first time around and was told,
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no, no, no, it's never, we're never going down that road.
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And you have to be concerned about where it's going to go from here.
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I mean, I've been a parliamentarian for, since 2015.
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And yet I'm old enough to remember a time when liberals said
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the safeguards they're now removing were so vitally important.
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I don't think the safeguards in the original bill were sufficient.
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And there were a number of proposals that we had put forward around that.
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But some of the, you know, the very basic things like a 10-day reflection period.
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The existing law has a 10-day reflection period.
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That reflection period can be waived with the agreement of the two doctors involved.
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but it's kind of a default position that you would have a 10-day reflection period.
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This new version of the bill proposes to do away with the reflection period.
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It proposes to reduce the requirements for independent witnesses.
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And that in addition to creating a situation where people with disabilities,
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people with mental health challenges are much more likely to be moved in this direction.
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But, you know, the current system still has problems with it.
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I mean, we already had testimony from people living with disabilities who were pushed in
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this direction, who repeatedly had euthanasia brought up to them,
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A case of a lady being told that she was selfish because her daughter didn't want to go in this direction.
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So, you know, people champion this on the basis of autonomy,
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but the social context in which that autonomy is expressed matters a lot.
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And now with the risk that people facing mental health challenges could be pressured or encouraged in this direction,
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or even that just the suicide prevention piece would be removed,
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it raises very serious concerns about the direction we're going,
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and so quickly from where we said we were in 2015-16.
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You know, this would be a rare, exceptional case for, you know, terminally ill people to where we are now.
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One of the things, when you mentioned the reflection period,
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one of the things that could happen is a same-day request that could be fulfilled.
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Yeah, so, and there's some different categories.
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So the legislation proposes to divide between the category of death reasonably foreseeable
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And the concept of reasonably foreseeability has always been a little bit fuzzy
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because it doesn't explicitly refer to someone being terminal.
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But this legislation removes the 10-day reflection period
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or any kind of time-associated safeguard for those for whom death is reasonably foreseeable, so-called.
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So it does mean in that case that a person could request and receive euthanasia on the same day.
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I don't think it makes sense that someone's worst day could be their last,
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that you could visit a family member in the hospital on Wednesday,
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well, this was their request, and so we carried it out right away.
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I don't think that's sort of in line with a reasoned consideration of what autonomy looks like,
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which is people being given the time and space to consider their options over a certain period of time.
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You talked earlier about suicide prevention objectives,
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The government has put billions of dollars into this.
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We have billions of dollars put into this through charitable campaigns and efforts.
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We've got colored ribbon campaigns for suicide awareness and prevention.
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We've got committees, councils, ads, all of these things that are trying to serve the public
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by telling people to reach out for help if you want to take your life because of mental illness.
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And has the government given any indication of how it reconciles these two positions?
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On one hand, this, I'd say vastly expanding public discussion about mental illness and suicide,
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and then this, which is saying that, you know what, if you're dealing with depression,
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that could be grounds for you to get a doctor-assisted death.
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Has the government considered the implications of this?
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You know, if they've thought about it, they certainly haven't talked about it,
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because this has had very limited debate so far,
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and the government is trying everything they can to justify rushing this through
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without that kind of consideration and discussion.
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Andrew, one of the concerns I have is that people who are struggling with mental health challenges,
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are experiencing suicidal thoughts, may be less likely to seek help
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if they're concerned that visiting their doctor might actually not lead to them being encouraged to live,
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I think that this undermines what we want to see, which is people in those crisis situations
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reaching out to support structures that can kind of help them through some of the things they're experiencing.
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Let me just go to a bit of a civics question here.
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You have talked about the fact that this really bypassed the House of Commons Committee
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and the rabid pace at which this was accepted by the government in the House from the Senate recommendations.
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Yeah, so on the civics side, the way our system works, bicameral system,
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every bill has to pass both the House and the Senate in identical form.
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More often legislation starts in the House of Commons.
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If the Senate adopts it, then it goes to the Governor General and becomes law.
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If the Senate amends it, then it's referred back to the House of Commons and we have a motion on Senate amendments.
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And typically, in these cases, as we see right now, the government has a motion which agrees with some of the Senate amendments,
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maybe doesn't agree with some of those amendments, and modifies others.
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So in this case, it says the government respectfully disagrees with A and B, agrees with C, proposes the following changes to D and E, something like that.
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That motion will be debated in the House of Commons.
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So the motion on Senate amendments could be amended.
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And right now, we have a conservative amendment which seeks to change the government's motion on Senate amendments in terms of which amendments they're agreeing with and not agreeing with.
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Typically, in some form, the government's motion on Senate amendments will pass and then go back to the Senate.
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Because if the government agreed with all of the Senate amendments, then we'd be done.
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But if the government agrees with some and disagrees with others, then we still don't have agreement.
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So then it goes back to the Senate, and then the Senate considers whether to adopt the House of Commons kind of revised version or to, in effect, make a counterproposal.
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So you can think of it sort of like a negotiation between the two chambers where each one has to debate and then conclude on a position and then send that position back and forth.
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Now, there are some complex procedures in the standing orders if we get to a point where there just seem to be irreconcilable differences.
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In the time I've been a member of Parliament, it's kind of at most gone one, two, three, four.
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House, Senate, then a House motion to concur some and others, and then back to the Senate for final agreement.
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That's what happened actually with Bill C-14, the original euthanasia legislation.
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And, you know, we'll see how this unfolds on Bill C-7.
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But in a minority parliament, with some indication that some liberals are uncomfortable with the direction of the government on this mental health issue,
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it's really important for people to seize this moment now, to talk to their MPs, and to ask them to rethink this facilitated suicide for the mentally ill proposal that has been added on to C-7 at the last minute.
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Well, I appreciate the explanation there, and also your work on this conservative MP, Garnet Janus.
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Always a pleasure, Garnet. Thanks for coming on.
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