Juno News - October 11, 2025


Vancouver apologizes for Harry Potter event after trans outrage


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47 minutes

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184.53052

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8,731

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Misogynist Sentences

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Hate Speech Sentences

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Transcript

00:00:00.000 so uh alex i i heard you're in london and that you were uh welcomed into the homeless community
00:00:07.980 so i was telling you guys uh off air earlier i'm right next to a homeless shelter i'm actually
00:00:14.640 squeezed between two homeless shelters so last night i was out um just like on the street for
00:00:20.940 a second and this homeless couple came up and they said are you in the shelter
00:00:24.600 pointing to the one to the right of my hotel and i said no i'm not i'm not they said well are you
00:00:29.880 in the other one then i said no i'm not in that one either i said i'm a tourist and it occurred to me
00:00:35.700 because a lot of people have been telling me that i look homeless lately i was like wow i really
00:00:39.060 must look homeless i pass as homeless even amongst the homeless so i might have to change my look
00:00:45.260 i just i just noticed the tukey rings new york let's let's call it yankees tuke obviously i'm
00:00:51.020 wearing the jays who just beat the yankees which we'll get into a bit later uh but instead we can
00:00:56.620 hop into our first story uh i'm isaac lammer here with my true north colleagues waleed tam tam
00:01:01.260 and alex zoltan and yeah no we're not going to start off with the jays instead alex uh there was
00:01:07.100 something happening in vancouver where trans activists were outraged at this harry potter
00:01:13.200 ride or attraction what was going on there yeah so apparently there's this walking tour
00:01:19.840 or mostly walking tour it's called the harry potter forbidden forest tour it's mostly designed
00:01:26.580 for children um which makes sense given the fact that harry potter is also marketed towards children
00:01:31.460 uh apparently the forbidden forest tour is more forbidden than the organizers likely originally
00:01:37.920 anticipated and the trans community in vancouver got really really upset about it because of
00:01:43.360 you know jk rowling's opinions on sex specific women's spaces and so they made a very angry
00:01:51.480 complaint to the vancouver park board they had an emergency meeting which is i think kind of over
00:01:57.360 the top and then they unreservedly apologized but i just heard from one of the directors at the
00:02:03.440 vancouver park board that the event will go ahead as planned um even though they had the emergency
00:02:10.960 meeting and all of the histrionics and melodrama over it so there you go yeah the forbidden forest is
00:02:17.920 of course i think from the second harry potter the chamber of secrets because hagrid's pet spider
00:02:22.800 aragon lives in there and and any kid watching the movie of course that's scary because there's
00:02:28.000 spiders these huge spiders all over the place even when i watch it these days i'm not a big fan of
00:02:33.120 spiders but uh yeah you mentioned obviously there's uh amy ham is is is relevant background here because uh
00:02:40.640 she privately rented out a billboard that said i heart jk rowling and got into huge trouble for
00:02:46.480 that because god forbid someone privately rents a billboard well of course we have the federal
00:02:51.840 government spending tens of millions hundreds of millions billions of dollars on insane projects
00:02:57.440 overseas like uh gender equal equal rice and i mean the the list is literally endless you could never
00:03:02.800 reach an end but you privately rent a billboard uh supporting the number one best-selling author of all
00:03:07.680 time outside of jesus because of course uh the only book that has ever sold more copies than harry potter
00:03:15.040 is the bible uh i mean yeah god forbid right so uh very good to hear though that it's going forward
00:03:23.200 uh alex i i i hadn't heard that because i i did hear that uh they apologized to the trans community so
00:03:28.800 i'm surprised that it's going forward because they kind of cratered to the trans community if they
00:03:32.800 apologized to them no like that that seems odd to me yeah it is kind of odd right it's like sorry but
00:03:39.200 we're going ahead with it anyway yeah sorry but the actions were the actions we're taking are not
00:03:44.800 reflective of us being sorry at all yeah sorry but not sorry kind of thing very canadian um yeah i i don't
00:03:52.960 know man it's it's a 50 ticket 50 to 80 dollars i think the 40 tickets there's there's something you
00:03:59.680 can get for less than 50 but i think that's just the kids prices i was actually thinking of taking
00:04:03.920 one of my sister's kids but i might just avoid the whole thing all together it sounds like 50 for a
00:04:10.080 kid and 80 for an adult right yeah but the prices i saw were like just under 50 so i don't know if maybe
00:04:16.240 that's due to a lack of demand or what's going on there and it's it's it's kind of like uh not uh what's
00:04:24.960 that you kind of just walk through and there's like images it's not as much as a ride as like a
00:04:29.840 spec as a spectacle right yeah i think it's kind of like an outdoor haunted house i guess is kind of
00:04:36.480 what i'm envisioning i think i should go at this point given that i wrote the article and people seem
00:04:41.920 to be really intrigued yeah you should uh you should send them an email alex and try and get free access
00:04:46.800 you could avoid the 50 there like hey i totally wrote this article can you guys let me in for free maybe
00:04:52.320 they'll be like dude you're clearly homeless get off the property
00:05:00.640 no that that fit right in in that area stanley park is not far off the beaten path from some of
00:05:06.480 vancouver's worst areas which i actually wrote a thread about this recently because stanley park has
00:05:11.280 had a whole bunch of stranger attacks um just in recent months and of course there were no emergency
00:05:16.000 meetings over that there were no apologies given no signs of remorse but there is over
00:05:22.000 a controversial kids walking tour so just more vancouver clown show nonsense for everyone
00:05:29.840 yeah well uh let's just hop into our next story here and this because this will briefly explain why
00:05:34.080 i'm wearing uh what i'm wearing because of course conservative leader pierre paliev was at
00:05:38.240 the second blue jays game uh in toronto when they faced off against the yankees uh last sunday
00:05:43.600 and uh yeah i know it's it was funny obviously that was an amazing game for anyone who watched it
00:05:48.240 uh there was a rookie pitcher trey savage there he sent a franchise record of 11 strikeouts uh in
00:05:53.600 only 78 pitches before he got pulled and that was like his fourth outing of the year and uh he even
00:05:59.360 his whole family got interviewed he was kind of the spectacle of the of the of the night and of course
00:06:04.000 the jays scored 13 runs so a lot of uh news in the sports department there but something that kind of
00:06:10.880 went uh under the radar considering how exciting the game was was of course pierre paliev
00:06:19.840 lots of the stuff on x that popped up was contrasting how pierre paliev was sitting in
00:06:41.040 probably the some of the cheapest seats in the house like i mean it is playoffs but in a normal
00:06:45.520 game you could probably get those for like 20 bucks maybe 40. the playoff tickets were much more
00:06:50.480 expensive i'm sure but and then uh contrasting that with carney when he goes to spectacles he gets the
00:06:56.720 absolute vip treatment so really uh uh two tales there how how pierre is just uh people are saying a a
00:07:05.280 normal canadian and and carney more more so an elitist and then i'll just share one more fact
00:07:11.440 before i go to you guys because this was interesting and this might remind people of noah jarvis because
00:07:17.200 he was such a history buff he would probably just know this i actually had to look it up
00:07:21.840 but yeah of course uh toronto's baseball team has not won a world series since 1993
00:07:27.120 which is the year former prime minister kim campbell led the progressive conservatives to the worst defeat
00:07:32.560 of a federal government in canadian history falling from a majority government to just two seats
00:07:37.360 so yeah either you guys can go here i mean did you uh i don't i don't imagine i don't know that
00:07:43.600 you're baseball fans but did you uh see pierre kind of he's been cheering on the jays throughout
00:07:48.720 it all so if you've been on socials at all i'm sure you've seen that did you see his videos and and
00:07:53.120 yeah what kind of came to mind when you saw him just uh doing what a normal canadian would be doing
00:07:57.760 right well i think that frankly his appearances at public events normally involve him you know
00:08:06.960 behaving and you know normal canadian behavior i mean he's never welcomed um by any spectacle he's
00:08:16.480 usually involved in um you know engaging people that you know happen to be a fan and you know taking
00:08:22.960 some selfies so you know he doesn't have the same let's be honest the same trudeau appeal of like
00:08:28.400 celebrity status like social media wise trudeau is known around the world now for better or worse
00:08:33.680 it's just you know he's had a iconic impression on certain populations specifically youth showing
00:08:40.880 up to concerts showing up to events that have nothing to do with politics and everything to
00:08:44.720 do with pop culture i think that's one area where pierre is growing more especially because he's you
00:08:49.840 know finally having happening to open up to podcasts and more you know pathways engaging with media versus
00:08:56.400 just a traditional press gallery press conference professional media landscape so i guess that's
00:09:02.960 something that could change in the future for sure but again i find it uh humbly fitting with his message
00:09:08.960 that uh you know he's watching from the nosebleeds the fact that he can perhaps tie in better with
00:09:14.480 the average canadian because i'm pretty sure those tickets were pretty expensive anyways because of the
00:09:19.840 great demand and uh regardless i think i guess there was a money well spent since the blue jays
00:09:25.840 eventually won the series yeah alex how would you feel you go to a jays game just whatever you know
00:09:31.200 you're going to playoff game which is already exciting enough and then you pull up to your
00:09:34.480 seats and beside you is beautiful yeah you're like whoa man what are you doing here yeah i think it's
00:09:39.680 pretty cool i think that he's his most appealing as well when he's just kind of a man of the people
00:09:45.120 um i was actually talking to somebody about this recently and what could polyev if we were to head
00:09:50.560 into another election what is something that he could do that carney can't and i think that one
00:09:55.360 of those things is he should maybe consider doing town halls right carney i think it's pretty well
00:10:01.360 documented and known at this point that he doesn't particularly like taking questions um and not even
00:10:07.120 from the media so and there was of course this also this persistent myth that all you have didn't all
00:10:13.600 didn't like taking questions from media either and that the questions he did take were pre-planned i
00:10:17.840 know that's not true because i had the opportunity to ask him some myself will lead you can confirm
00:10:22.560 that too you've also had the opportunity to ask him questions and so um yeah i think that that's when
00:10:29.520 he is his most charming and his most appealing is when he talks to people i think that's true of all
00:10:34.080 politicians actually agreed yeah no he he definitely had a at least a portion of that in his electoral
00:10:42.240 campaign trying to connect with normal canadians but i mean just taking it that step further right
00:10:46.320 and really opening up and and i guess being vulnerable uh could be helpful certainly going
00:10:51.200 forward but sticking with uh celebrations because obviously the jays won in in four games uh in new
00:10:57.600 york with which uh polyev was at game two in toronto but uh toronto didn't win till of course game
00:11:05.840 for new york but this one i've seen some mixed celebrations uh online because of course uh the
00:11:12.320 worst case scenario did not happen but there's still uh concerns being raised about the process
00:11:20.400 in itself being punishment and and and of course there were still uh sentences handed out you guys
00:11:26.320 wrote this together but alex since you're the crime reporter i'll give you the lead so oh yeah what
00:11:30.720 happened with uh tamara leach and uh chris barber here yeah so they both received 18 month conditional
00:11:36.560 sentence orders which is just a long-winded legalese way of saying they received house arrest
00:11:42.720 the conditions are pretty reasonable um in my opinion that they basically have a curfew they're
00:11:48.960 essentially grounded which i know sounds silly because they're adults um which is what it is they were
00:11:55.600 looking the crown was looking for seven and eight year prison terms respectively for leech and bar so
00:12:02.000 maybe i'm just the benefactor of low expectations because i was expecting something much greater
00:12:07.040 obviously i respect both of them very highly and i don't think that they should have gone through this
00:12:10.640 at all but um i think that this was possibly the best worst outcome if that makes any sense
00:12:18.000 you also have to recognize too that there's a significant portion of the population that wanted
00:12:22.560 something very very severe and so the judge was kind of caught between a rock and a hard place to
00:12:27.360 some extent i think that by the end of the trial um she actually did say in her sentencing decision and
00:12:32.960 believe can speak to this because he was there he was present boots on the ground she said that
00:12:38.000 everybody including their supporters and a lot of reporters that i guess were sympathetic to them were
00:12:44.000 very kind and very respectful to the court and so i think that the the judge actually kind of had like
00:12:49.520 a bit of a pulling of the heartstrings moment when it came to the case of course people are really
00:12:56.160 upset on the other hand because we see a lot of unruly protests in big city centers like toronto and
00:13:02.240 montreal i'm thinking particularly about the pro-palestine protesters um you know ezra levand actually
00:13:09.120 pointed this out that they haven't received much of anything in terms of a slap on the wrist by the
00:13:13.760 legal system and i was quite shocked um when i went on canly this was just two nights ago i i just
00:13:19.520 searched freedom convoy and i just couldn't believe how many cases there were in the ontario court of
00:13:25.440 justice related to that protest and then i looked up palestine and there was nothing and so that fact
00:13:33.200 checks out he's completely right now mind you a lot of those protests occurred post october 7th and so
00:13:38.720 that came after the freedom convoy and so i haven't seen a lot of arrests and a lot of charges related
00:13:43.680 to those protests and i think that we'll see more of those make their way through the court system
00:13:46.960 going forward and that also is important when it comes to this case because the leech and barber
00:13:52.240 sentencing is a precedent that is going to be applied to those cases and so if you're the type
00:13:57.280 of person that thinks that they should be punished to the utmost extent of the law then you can't on the
00:14:02.240 other hand say well i think that the protesters i like should receive nothing right we have to be
00:14:07.360 very cautious not to apply double standards and i'll just leave it at that yeah alex i'm absolutely
00:14:13.520 in agreement with you i think double standards are things that you will see and hear from a lot of
00:14:17.520 people on the left discussing this issue and perhaps sometimes you might even hear it from
00:14:21.680 the right going back the other way and the fact is you have to be you have to be courteous and confident
00:14:27.920 in the value of free speech and the fact that public discourse expressed freely without legal
00:14:33.760 consequence will always keep our society better off than otherwise regardless of what that rhetoric
00:14:39.440 sounds like or looks like again you don't have to agree with the cause and i asked this to tamir leach's
00:14:44.000 lawyer who spoke with me um i think i asked him about a total of four questions but one of the questions i
00:14:49.840 asked him was would this change the enforcement of future protests uh will regardless of the cause you
00:14:56.480 know how will police and the province and municipalities and every level of government legally deal with enforcement of
00:15:05.040 protests given the precedent set with tamir leach and chris barber um i was thinking about you know
00:15:10.800 possible chilling effect because you know look this prosecution was about three years long uh tamir leach
00:15:17.760 actually only has 15.5 months to serve left of her conditional sentence because he went through 74 days of
00:15:24.800 pretrial custody um those experiences that they've gone through chris and tamara are already a punishment
00:15:32.640 within itself and of course the prosecution uh or rather the judge acknowledged that the prosecutors
00:15:38.720 wanted i guess eight years and seven to eight for tamara seven for chris um you know people clean criminal
00:15:46.960 records that that beginning on its own i think is absurd and does indeed have this at least at the
00:15:55.200 perception level telling effect because while a lot of people in the room knew that they were probably not
00:16:00.560 going to jail the judge's discourse was much more sympathetic you could say um it seems that you
00:16:08.320 know really there there was i actually was sitting next to a lady i don't remember her name um but i do
00:16:15.200 know she was a of the leftist anti-freedom convoy kind from the city of ottawa local um who was kind of
00:16:23.760 you know like underwhelmed with the fact that uh that the hammer isn't really coming down that hard
00:16:30.400 as much as they would have expected given that what the crown was seeking so um i think that the room
00:16:37.760 once the sentences were handed down was very positive um of course there's this aspiration of just dropping
00:16:45.520 everything and of course tamar leach's lawyer has said to me that he is indeed considering uh and appealing
00:16:52.240 this decision and continuing the legal bother about continuing continuing the legal battle further
00:16:59.040 um but as i've said as of now i haven't heard any updates to that yeah and you guys both alluded to
00:17:06.880 this that the the punishment is the process at least in in some form but do do we know how much this
00:17:12.800 has costed uh taxpayers for the crown to pursue this for over two three years i mean i i assume it's a
00:17:18.640 quite a costly endeavor so not only are tamara leach and chris barber being punished but so
00:17:24.160 too uh are the taxpayers who have to uh uh stomach this cost for in the end uh uh essentially a slap
00:17:30.960 on the wrist well isaac i'll tell you one thing i don't know about the taxpayer burden of the cost
00:17:36.240 but i do know that tamara and chris personally have incurred significant costs throughout the process
00:17:41.440 legal fees lawyer fees everything else that goes in that bundle but remember these people are from out
00:17:46.240 west i believe chris is from statuan and tamara's from alberta and that being the case travel costs
00:17:52.560 as well have been very burdensome i think the judge mentioned something around forty thousand dollars
00:17:57.520 each that they paid into for for travel really the expenses so again the financial penalties have been
00:18:05.040 strong the time the restriction of freedom the uh you know pre-trial custody in the case of tamara
00:18:13.360 all of that has really i mean it's it's it's been a punishment of a very very strong variable
00:18:20.640 unfortunately of course we don't see the same applied to because this is where another question
00:18:24.960 about double standards could apply possibly is while you're talking about protesters well just how
00:18:29.360 about just crime in general i mean we have this revolving door vision of our system of how people are
00:18:35.680 being released on bail even after committing violent crimes that are causing chaos in our streets
00:18:42.080 and then of course you you're having to hand something down to these people and it's it's it's it's it's
00:18:48.320 special it's special the way we we seem very insistent on uh causing this kind of a you know strong
00:18:56.640 deterrence from this mayhem uh you know creators of these two organizers whereas our deterrence for violent
00:19:03.200 crime is if you're looking at proportionally it's nowhere near the same so i guess we will deter future
00:19:09.680 protests to a certain extent but we won't be able to deter a violent crime until we see some serious
00:19:14.880 criminal um or justice reform yeah the number i've heard in terms of the cost isaac the number i've
00:19:23.120 heard volleyed around is 21 million dollars okay that's uh yeah well
00:19:30.240 of course here we're speaking about punishment but uh we'll switch to the antonym of that i i guess
00:19:38.560 celebration uh because uh carney uh was celebrating of course trump's deal between
00:19:46.160 hamas and israel i guess uh yeah we'll lead uh what was going on here because we of course saw
00:19:51.600 the day before this i believe uh carney in washington uh just fawning over trump to be
00:19:57.520 frank uh but is this kind of that that same line of thinking and it seems so ironic to me because
00:20:04.240 of course we'll recall we'll recall during the uh tariff negotiations uh carney didn't really care
00:20:09.440 about those he instead recognized the state of palestine and now uh he's kind of saying this about
00:20:15.120 trump so it's like well i don't know if he's just saying it to say it or he actually feels this way
00:20:19.840 look i think that um whether you're looking at carney or care starmer in the uk or emmanuel macron in
00:20:27.120 france um there the truth is all these western leaders seem to be and even regional leaders in
00:20:33.040 the middle east are backing trump's plan everyone wants this to work everyone wants to reap the benefits
00:20:39.280 of seeing the situation calm down and ease that way they're not having to play you know political
00:20:45.520 hopscotch trying to appease uh you know different demographics and communities while doing the
00:20:52.640 things that probably upset them the most simultaneously i mean you know you had trudeau and carney at
00:21:00.080 different times trying to you know oh okay well we want a palestinian state you know we want to
00:21:04.960 recognize the state at a certain point in time and you know that kind of was targeted towards you know
00:21:10.800 a bone thrown to the palestine the pro-palestine side whereas you had also this comment that carney
00:21:15.840 said to sinan's christian member earlier this year when he said he wanted to have a zionist palestine
00:21:21.920 scene and of course the palestine and pro-palestine community went insane with that as well i remember
00:21:26.640 that very fondly because uh it's it's been a reoccurring discussion with uh you know progressive circles
00:21:32.800 about you know what is carney you know like comparing carney and pierre for example on on the issues of the
00:21:39.920 the middle east and you know i would argue that really carney wants this to work i think he is
00:21:47.760 relying on this being a win so that uh he doesn't have to like again deal with his challenge deal with
00:21:53.760 the heat that even his party or even his supporters or some of his voters were giving him um you know i
00:22:00.720 spoke to one liberal mp recently this last month actually samazahid who is uh probably the most uh one of
00:22:07.840 the most at least pro-palestine advocates in the liberal caucus and you know she told me straight
00:22:13.280 up that uh you know her government's doing some good things but she wants more and and in essence i
00:22:18.880 think this kind of healed heals the divide we saw between you know people like anthony housefather and
00:22:24.400 people like her it's a liberal party isn't exactly how it doesn't have one clear stance on this issue
00:22:31.040 there's a clear divide you can see i think you could probably see the same in the future with the
00:22:36.240 conservative party possibly depending on where you are in the country as well you know i think right
00:22:41.040 now we're in a time of great division within the provincial and federal conservative movements as
00:22:46.000 well but um i i guess if this deal really comes through then carney's praise is justified from his
00:22:55.440 angle because the benefits will be tremendous for for having to no longer issue statements or or you
00:23:02.320 know do all these kinds of uh vote buying measures and obviously we know hamas still has uh hundreds of
00:23:10.000 uh hostages so what what are people kind of watching over the next few days as to whether those hostages
00:23:14.960 get released and have have have any been released yet like i i don't know so i'm not sorry i'm not aware
00:23:21.360 of anyone currently being released i am certain that uh right now the day we're looking at is monday this
00:23:27.520 upcoming monday that uh we'll expect some sort of hostage exchange going on that's what the plan
00:23:32.400 currently is according to trump's previous truth social statements by the way i hate browsing truth
00:23:37.680 social these days it is so full of ads it's not the same it used to be it is absolute in terms of
00:23:43.920 technology social media tech and user interface it is garbage uh but of course the president exclusively
00:23:49.920 tweets some of his messages on there i just typically like to look off the white house account and see
00:23:55.280 if they reposted that or republished in a different form uh but monday is the day we're looking towards
00:24:00.560 the first phase of hostage releases and prisoner swaps and exchange of people it seems that the idf is
00:24:06.560 pulled off to what they call the yellow line which is if anyone have seen the map from the trump
00:24:12.240 progressive peace plan would include kind of different lines different buffer zones established on gaza
00:24:18.320 and essentially each stage they would the idf would pull out their reinforcements tanks front lines
00:24:26.000 further and further closer to the actual borders of the gaza strip as per the previous precedent so
00:24:33.600 i would say that if that hostage deal is successful it already creates a lot of conditions for the next two
00:24:41.440 steps which would include again further de-escalation disarmament uh removing hamas from any political authority
00:24:49.200 and the beginning of this established council of technocrats to try to take over somehow
00:24:55.120 it's all going to be interesting to see how this works a lot of people are doubting things
00:24:58.160 uh there are some concerns but for now there is no significant sign that uh anything has been
00:25:04.320 broken beyond repair let's just say that alex i have a few questions for you kind of a combined one
00:25:11.360 here so of course we've seen uh despite all this these these pro-hamas pro-palestine uh um
00:25:20.000 protesters are still in the streets uh not really sure what they are asking for but on the on the at
00:25:25.120 the same time i was watching um a white house press conference yesterday i think and uh there was a
00:25:31.440 really popular youtuber on there talking to trump he was actually in in the white house because
00:25:36.160 trump's of course kind of taken a more progressive stance on that with with journalists uh and he was
00:25:41.680 talking about the youtuber was uh about he he had been going to all these antifa protests and he's
00:25:47.200 like i go to different states the same people are there like these people are clearly being paid to
00:25:50.800 protest they're not protesters they're employees literally and then uh of course we know trump
00:25:56.240 um designated antifa as a terrorist organization and i i believe that's a worldwide designation so
00:26:03.360 uh if canada isn't uh slapping down these antifa protesters we're uh in a way uh enabling or harboring
00:26:13.040 or supporting i don't know terrorism so so do you think uh canada could get itself into some trouble
00:26:19.760 from that and so two questions yeah do you think canada could find itself in trouble through these antifa
00:26:25.520 protesters uh with trump there and do you think these pro-hamas protesters are gonna stop protesting if
00:26:32.560 if there's peace there uh yeah that's two very separate questions um with regards to the first
00:26:43.280 question you asked i believe um just to backtrack a little bit the belief is that there's 20 hostages
00:26:49.840 still alive and in um being held in gaza uh as far as the antifa question goes i don't know i mean
00:27:03.840 it's really tough to say i mean i antifa certainly exists i actually covered antifa as well
00:27:09.040 um during the last election cycle i went to what was formerly known as the capitol hill autonomous zone
00:27:14.720 and they they certainly do exist could canada get in trouble there also of course is a widely held
00:27:22.320 theory that the canadian government supports some of these protesters um and and potentially what would
00:27:29.600 we would consider to be the canadian equivalent to antifa could they get in trouble i that's a really
00:27:35.120 tough question for me to answer right i mean ultimately that would be up to the u.s administration
00:27:39.760 um i don't know if the u.s like as powerful as the united states is i don't know if it has the
00:27:45.840 enforcement capabilities to clamp down on antifa in every country in the world including canada
00:27:52.000 so even though they might want to i don't know if they necessarily could and then the second question
00:27:57.440 that you asked was do you think that the palestine protests will stop i imagine that they will probably
00:28:03.760 morph into something new if there is a successful peace deal these antifa or sorry these palestine
00:28:11.040 protests i should say i think that they're kind of a function of youthful rebellion to some extent
00:28:17.920 respectfully i don't know if these kids know a whole lot about middle eastern politics and i think
00:28:22.160 that they're just protesting for the sake of protesting and so if this palestine issue kind of
00:28:27.280 takes the back seat to something else they'll just protest about whatever that something else is
00:28:30.960 would be my prediction yeah that's kind of been a similar argument made against antifa and and
00:28:36.400 left-wing protests in general it's like it it's like it doesn't matter what they're protesting blm
00:28:41.520 climate change you name it it just they'll there'll be some other issue they can march about and
00:28:46.240 they're just out there every day protesting something it's like oh what can we protest today
00:28:52.080 it's that meme right where the guy like has a ukraine flag on his chest and then it switches to an
00:28:56.720 antifa flag and then a blm flag it's like whatever the common thing is
00:29:01.680 i'm sorry what were you gonna say there that's a characterization of i think the left frankly and
00:29:05.760 or the the leftist circle and coalition which doesn't always perfectly lie with for example
00:29:10.320 moving like the pro-policy movement which definitely you know so goes on a different
00:29:14.320 culture and demographic which may not always overlap perfectly with with thoughts and values
00:29:18.800 and that's something i see a lot for example montreal and quebec where i think in quebec
00:29:22.560 the movement's a lot more islamist versus where in other parts of the country where it's much more
00:29:26.160 progressive so there's there's different characters and again it's all about the people it's not the
00:29:29.360 movement itself it's just the people that are responsible for dragging the grassroots effort
00:29:33.200 into about protests or into fundraising or into whatever campaigns that we are aware of in media
00:29:39.360 um just to say one thing about the white house there was a white house gathering of a number of
00:29:44.080 journalists and you know public speakers and commentators uh most of them are on youtube and
00:29:48.880 social media the one you're referring to is actually a friend of mine nick surley who i met in
00:29:52.080 who i met in brazil uh a while back and so he is actually referring to exactly his personal
00:29:57.440 experiences he's had when he's found protesters in my city like in new york and i found them later on
00:30:03.120 in dc and then find them later on in portland uh oregon or or anywhere else in the country where
00:30:08.880 the protests happen to be happening um so i just think that uh there probably is a bit of an industrial
00:30:15.600 protest complex and still include any cause where people feel like there's a deficit of actual public
00:30:20.640 authentic support and they want to actually drive for whatever agenda a bit more boots on the ground
00:30:26.080 and a bit better of a scene to kind of you know drive some more public chaos into the media waves and
00:30:32.240 with that being said you might be able to strike some more opposition behind a certain policy this
00:30:37.040 is specifically targeting the ice and the immigration enforcement or the immigration um customs uh
00:30:44.640 enforcement officers and how they're kind of you know encroaching on different communities and
00:30:49.920 spaces again it's an interesting argument uh whether or not you know some civil liberties are
00:30:54.640 on question because of course you know we've seen some of the videos and they seem a little bit uh
00:30:58.720 comical at times you know chasing like this guy on the bike you know again i i i definitely i'm not
00:31:05.200 one to um you know excuse you know mass illegal immigration especially in canada where we have the
00:31:11.120 privilege of having a buffer zone the biggest most robust buffer in the world called the united states of
00:31:17.040 america at this point we don't have an excuse uh to have a significant population of of illegal
00:31:22.400 migrants but i would say in the us things are much more complex given their situation and having a
00:31:29.200 border with mexico as well um definitely much more challenging to deal with as an issue but um again
00:31:36.560 antifa wise i would not expect to see any significant high level enforcement or collaboration between
00:31:44.240 the canadian authorities and american authorities i don't see the same appetite from the us for
00:31:48.400 example in comparison to dealing with other groups that are also prescribed not every so-called terrorist
00:31:53.680 group is equal i mean if you look at our list we have everything from the taliban and al-qaeda
00:31:59.200 all the way down to the proud boys so it is very much a political statement as much as it is uh you know
00:32:06.560 actual security strategy so it depends and circling back to the i think it was the first story that we
00:32:13.360 were talking about as well i i am a little troubled by people saying that the freedom convoy people
00:32:19.600 should receive no punishment but that the antifa people should all be thrown in jail again i don't
00:32:25.680 agree with these antifa people on any of their politics but i think that that's a very clear double
00:32:31.280 standard right and i think that that is something that i have trouble reconciling with because you
00:32:36.960 know i like when i'm scrolling through x i love watching these antifa people get clotheslined and
00:32:41.520 powerslammed by ice agents and i know that doesn't make me a good person but then when i see you know
00:32:46.800 the police beating convoy protesters i i feel terrible and so i'm having a hard time reconciling
00:32:52.400 that like am i just a total hypocrite and i guess to some extent i am and i think that it's a good
00:32:57.360 thing to try to avoid being a hypocrite as much as humanly possible well i will say alex for that
00:33:02.880 the the by all accounts and purposes the freedom convoy was very peaceful and most of any uh suggestions
00:33:10.160 otherwise were essentially uh like people literally trying to frame them like the nazi flag there's
00:33:16.720 clearly that was a psyop by by i don't know left-wing activists but that was clearly a psyop there's
00:33:23.360 no debate about it that's true right so whereas that's true you know this is absolute pandemonium
00:33:29.840 looting rioting like this is no joke they're they're out there destroying cities yes that's true and
00:33:38.320 the judge had some difficulty figuring that out as well because she is one of her precedent setting cases
00:33:44.160 that she cited when she was doing her judgment not the sentencing was the g7 because during the g7 of
00:33:49.920 course that was before antifa was even really a thing that that's going back quite a few years
00:33:54.320 there was a lot of property damage but individuals who attended that protest could not be held liable
00:34:00.880 for everybody in the group right that that makes sense so if you break one window but you know all
00:34:05.840 the protesters broke 20 windows you're only charged with breaking one window and the judge says the same
00:34:11.360 the opposite applies so if you have a protest that's completely peaceful but shuts down the capital for
00:34:15.840 three weeks it's not like you don't get punished because the group was good and peaceful right like
00:34:23.360 that has to operate in both directions to some extent i found that really interesting
00:34:29.520 okay yeah we could say i mean we could stay on this topic for hours i'm sure
00:34:33.200 another one we could stay on for hours uh which we have to talk about of course because true north's been
00:34:38.240 the absolute lead proponent on this story and uh without true north quite frankly none of these stories
00:34:43.120 would exist uh it wouldn't even be being raised in the house of commons in my opinion because alex
00:34:48.640 you worked on this uh public safety minister gary nanda sangri he said he hasn't met with any
00:34:54.960 christian congregations that have uh been vandalized burned or desecrated over the past four years and
00:35:01.120 of course the number's at 123 now so yeah what was uh what was gary saying about that i mean he seems to be
00:35:06.880 so often uh unknowledgeable and uh uh completely out of the loop here i was actually kind of surprised
00:35:13.840 and impressed that he knew about it but maybe that's like the soft bigotry of low expectations
00:35:19.280 no no he didn't he didn't know about the pala license and he's literally the the public safety
00:35:23.200 yeah and he's so no surprise right so but just the fact that he knew that you know over 100 churches
00:35:28.880 have been vandalized burned um or desecrated you know that that kind of impressed me to some extent
00:35:34.240 but again that's probably just low expectations on my part um the fact that he hasn't met with any
00:35:40.400 of the congregation members i did find interesting again kind of impressed that he admitted that you
00:35:45.200 know politicians have a really bad habit of lying about things when they don't want to tell you the
00:35:49.040 truth and uh you know he did tell us the truth maybe he will right maybe this is something that uh the
00:35:55.360 liberals will maybe pay more attention to in the future and i certainly hope that they do because it
00:36:00.080 is a big issue um christophobia i don't know if that's where i i use it but yeah gary's been uh
00:36:08.720 he he's only told the truth in the past when he thought no one was listening of course that secret
00:36:13.040 leaked uh audio recording about his gun buyback program and how much of a failure it is i just
00:36:17.600 wanted to mention one thing uh i was at my service uh last week uh they mentioned and prayed for the over
00:36:23.760 in their in their words over 100 churches that have been burned so it really is um and this is just
00:36:28.960 some random church in in sure park by edmonton they're like you know nothing and one also that
00:36:34.800 quite frankly doesn't want to get involved in politics although they did also pray for charlie
00:36:38.640 kirk which was great but um yeah no just just to kind of uh i think that exemplifies how uh big this
00:36:46.320 story is becoming and how important our coverage at true north has been on on of course that uh church
00:36:51.600 map uh that we keep updating with uh the never-ending spree of crimes against them it seems because the
00:36:57.520 the list keeps on growing and i i guess i can ask you that will lead like and this has been another
00:37:04.400 thing uh with arson all together in forest fires and and we saw this over the last two three summers
00:37:11.200 not so much this one but the last two uh the the the human caused fires are just skyrocketing and then
00:37:19.520 we see legacy media like oh climate change it's like climate change people are what people are starting
00:37:24.720 the fire is not the climate but well and it's a bit more complicated than that but you get what i'm
00:37:29.920 saying uh yeah no so just wondering if you think that the the federal government could kind of take
00:37:34.880 more action against this or or police altogether and uh whether you think that could subside the the
00:37:42.240 church burnings we're seeing because as i said it continues to grow right well pierre probably up
00:37:46.560 things so i mean when i asked him the question a few weeks back he said that the government no the
00:37:51.200 government is not doing enough then he followed up by saying that arsons are or people committing
00:37:56.240 arson are left off too easily because of our bail system and our you know our soft on crime you could
00:38:03.200 so to speak government stance um i would go as far as saying personally that i don't think the liberal
00:38:10.240 government or the collection of mps that we've here heard chiming on this issue
00:38:17.360 care that much uh as in they don't have much to lose politically speaking because this issue is
00:38:22.640 not driven into their inboxes into the constituency nearly enough or just not in their hearts and heads
00:38:30.000 i'll give you an example with uh an mp that went back and forth with former colleague and now mp andrew
00:38:36.640 lawton uh a liberal mp i think he's believe is from hamilton uh john paul danko he simply just
00:38:45.040 dismissed the entire claim of this being a anti-christian hate crisis and dismissed the
00:38:51.200 report of 123 uh churches being burned and he sent in the house and he would not be interested in
00:38:58.080 quoting or using the work of alt-right media or so-called alternative media um i think frankly
00:39:06.480 there's two unfortunate realities about that comment there first of all you know as a journalist a true
00:39:13.120 no journalist myself i don't appreciate when individuals in the political sphere uh you know
00:39:20.400 degrade or upgrade a story simply by the pen it's written by um if the story holds merit if there's
00:39:28.240 evidence if there's proper uh you know journalism ethics and procedures followed then the story
00:39:34.960 deserves to be considered uh if it doesn't it doesn't you know i've seen big outlets make big mistakes
00:39:42.160 and small outlets do great work and then not exclusive to true north of course uh then on
00:39:48.240 top of that you also have the fact that you have him as well as you know the cbc you know running
00:39:55.600 stories that essentially downplay this issue while simultaneously focusing on the issue elsewhere
00:40:02.160 some cases is some phobia anti-semitism again not that i'm endorsing any hatred whatsoever but i think
00:40:09.360 the the plea of many uh christians or people that are very engaged on this issue publicly um and of
00:40:17.200 course our viewership as well is that they don't believe it's being talked to at least talked about
00:40:22.640 you know we don't have to see the most substantial action you know but at least if it seems that the
00:40:28.320 political class is aware and this issue is on their radar that already gets the ball rolling on where the
00:40:36.240 conversation should be um i mean how would you enforce again i'm not looking myself for more
00:40:41.920 anti-hate laws or policies it's not what i think many people want but a recognition that this exists
00:40:49.360 is a very good start and unfortunately we haven't got that from anyone um you know liberal mp after
00:40:55.440 liberal mp has you know toned down or not engaged in the case of public safety minister gary uh
00:41:02.240 and anna sandri he himself admitted that he never went to any congregations or never discussed this
00:41:08.640 issue before so i hope that we can see some change i hope to catch up with some of those individuals and
00:41:14.800 engage with them on the issue respectfully because simply i you know compared to the viewership
00:41:19.440 demographic that is interested in that story um from christian congregations across the country to
00:41:25.600 diaspora communities from the middle east and eastern europe that have dealt with you know who are more
00:41:29.840 sensitive to the question of religious persecution or even africans this is an issue that really could
00:41:35.280 probably you know curb the political spectrum apart uh you can people can be concerned about
00:41:41.440 this they come from all kinds of backgrounds and experiences and walks of life that uh i think that
00:41:47.040 maybe one day there could be i guess you could say a political cost for ignoring the issue and a
00:41:51.840 political reward for engaging the issue it's just that the public forum right now seems to be a little
00:41:55.840 bit frozen on the issue but here at true north we're happy to be you know front leaders in getting this
00:42:02.160 conversation going somewhere and i'm very proud of the work that uh myself alex and everyone else on
00:42:08.000 the team is doing on this specific case yeah well you reminded me of something when you mentioned cbc
00:42:14.000 there because you had written this story uh last week i think that the cbc said they didn't cover the
00:42:19.200 latest church arson because they had a staffing shortage i mean come on if only they had 1.5 billion
00:42:24.880 dollar taxpayer subsidies annually to to have some staff there i mean a ridiculous claim of course
00:42:31.440 it wasn't a staffing shortage but um they don't want to write about it i mean let's be real here
00:42:36.880 that's my opinion at least uh yeah sorry alex uh you wanted to say something there oh no it's quite
00:42:42.240 all right um i actually read grave error while i was on the plane coming out to london and halfway through
00:42:48.960 the book it just occurred to me randomly i thought could you imagine if over 20 mosques in canada
00:42:54.240 had been burned to the ground in purposeful arsons this would be a national crisis it would be the
00:42:59.360 only thing that you see on the news right so i find that the fact that nobody in the left-wing
00:43:06.960 media if you want to call them that i guess we can't be mad if they call us the right-wing media
00:43:10.400 if we call them the left-wing media so let's call them the legacy media or the media cartel i like that
00:43:14.960 one really i like that one even better um you know it just seems like kind of strange to me
00:43:21.840 that they have turned a blind eye to this especially considering according to the last census 27
00:43:28.880 of indigenous people are catholics and most of these churches that have been burned down are catholic
00:43:34.320 churches so this is also an affront to indigenous people as well as christians and so i don't know
00:43:41.120 maybe that's an angle that we have to approach it with if we want them to start paying attention to
00:43:44.800 the problem i'm not i'm not entirely sure but it is a serious problem i mean 20 places of worship
00:43:50.160 being burned to the ground is pretty outrageous and the entire western society was built on
00:43:56.080 essentially the bible the morals that are explained in it and so forth every everything we believe to
00:44:01.840 be right or wrong is more or less based on the bible again so it's just it's ridiculous that
00:44:06.720 well it could i guess relate to the the fall of western society but before we get too deep into
00:44:13.920 that we should wrap it up again my name is isaac lamory i'd like to thank my colleagues
00:44:17.840 willie tamtam and alex zoltan and remember everything you heard today was off the record
00:44:26.080 so have i inspired you guys to watch the next uh oh my foot fell asleep sorry i was using it as
00:44:32.640 it as my chair i do that i always sit like that oh i well squatting would have been easier
00:44:41.840 that was an interesting conversation especially about the uh leech and barber thing i really feel
00:44:46.160 like we could talk about that for hours of course there's so many angles right and there's so many
00:44:50.800 things and especially if you were researching it like you said on canly it's like okay so these people
00:44:55.440 are getting punished albeit not to the maximum extent but what about these other protests like we i saw
00:45:00.800 videos from uh the day of the sentencing there was i don't know what city it was there was a major city
00:45:06.720 completely shut down from these palestine protesters and it's like these people are being tried for
00:45:11.360 three years and and for their for their for them shutting down the capital but there's literally city
00:45:16.400 shut down now like it's it's you know it's just you you can't yeah call for it to be to be one way but
00:45:23.600 not the other right that's it and like the freedom convoy was so unique too that was the other thing
00:45:29.680 the judge was having a really hard time dealing with right because she's like it's actually easier
00:45:35.040 to measure the culpability of somebody who breaks a window versus somebody who engages in a three-week
00:45:40.880 dance party i mean like it's really really i felt kind of bad for the judge like what was your
00:45:47.920 impression of her like given that because i know it's everything is different in real life than it is
00:45:52.400 on a screen like what was your impression will you well well not to piss off the viewers but i thought
00:45:58.240 she's quite nice i mean this is after the fact by the way when i logged in on the zoom court room
00:46:07.200 back in the summer and i showed up with this the iconic san francisco golden gate bridge
00:46:14.480 background on zoom she like absolutely grilled me for that you know she's i mean it was more of a
00:46:20.560 joking matter but obviously an embarrassing way to start my court appearance at my first ever i think
00:46:26.320 that one was virtual and then this one was in person so i guess i can say i had two debuts in the last
00:46:31.760 couple months in in the world of uh actually your world frankly so uh alex so i it was it was a pretty
00:46:39.440 good impression i mean she gave uh some some you know kind of applause and credits to uh both the accused
00:46:46.720 and even the people sitting down watching uh which again yeah all of which were her supporters her loyal
00:46:53.760 supporters from the local area and beyond so um overall i think uh she gets some credit from the
00:47:00.880 public you know i don't think there's much frustration or hatred towards her again it's just the system that
00:47:06.000 we're dealing with right now that's where they where the frustration should be if any
00:47:18.320 you