Juno News - Vancouver police mocked for tone deaf cross walk video as crime soars

00:00:00.480 Yeah, Vancouver, it's really hot in the day right now, and it's really cold at night.

00:00:04.740 So I've been warming up at my house by hanging out with ChatGPT and trying to perfect my pizza dough.

00:00:11.440 Yeah, no, the weather here hasn't been great. It's been raining a lot.

00:00:14.040 I'm hoping that the weather's good on the 22nd, because, of course, Sean Foyke's coming to Edmonton, to the Alberta legislature there, and I'm going to be going.

00:00:22.600 I'm really excited for that. Definitely going to be on the ground reporting it for True North there.

00:00:27.960 And I don't know. I think there's a lot of protest groups planning to go, so I'm not sure what's going to happen.

00:00:35.720 Like, I don't know what the police presence is going to be like. I think it's going to be crazy.

00:00:40.000 Yeah. Have you guys been, like, paying attention to any of that stuff with Foyke?

00:00:45.000 Of course. Yeah. The Live Revive 25 tour, as they call it. I find that really fun.

00:00:52.620 Yeah, there's, like, a lot of controversy over it. It's a bit like court.

00:00:55.480 You know, sometimes what happens outside of court is more interesting than what happens inside, right?

00:01:01.420 Which brings us to the decision that was, I believe, dropped today in Alberta court, if I'm not mistaken, and you were in attendance, Isaac?

00:01:09.620 Yeah, we'll get into that after. But first, we're going to follow a more, well, a different decision, of course, in Nova Scotia, most recently, and, of course, New Brunswick, with the woods bans there.

00:01:24.440 I mean, what's happening over there, Alex? What is going on? Can residents just not go outside? Can they not go in the woods? Like, what's going on?

00:01:33.120 Yeah, it's not, as is often the case in Canada, it's not exactly clear what's going on. Our friend of the show, who I actually interviewed earlier this week, Jeff Evely, posted a great video on X, where he kind of pointed out the absurd and theatrical elements of the woods ban,

00:01:51.240 where, you know, one section of the woods is the woods, and another section of the woods is apparently not the woods.

00:01:59.000 And so he has taken it upon himself, and I think a fairly heroic case of civil disobedience, to say that I am going to go into the woods, and I want you to find me.

00:02:08.120 So he actually reached out to the Department of Natural Resources for Nova Scotia and encouraged them to give him the maximum fine, which was somewhere in the vicinity of $28,720 and some odd cents.

00:02:20.920 And he will be fighting that in court, presumably, with our friends from the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms.

00:02:29.460 So, yeah.

00:02:31.140 Yeah, and I had heard of other people getting fined. Do you know, like, how many people have been fined and what's going on there?

00:02:37.720 Because $28,000, like, that is an insane amount of money.

00:02:40.880 Like, I mean, we know that most Canadians, according to studies, are, like, $200 or $400 away from not being able to make any meat.

00:02:49.120 So $28,000, I mean, who can come up with that kind of money?

00:02:52.040 Like, are a lot of people being fined?

00:02:55.420 So the last number I heard was 12 people had been fined.

00:02:58.840 I don't know what the average fine is, if they're all being fined in the maximum or, you know, somewhere in between.

00:03:05.580 Not entirely sure.

00:03:06.700 I think that's something that's probably important to report on in terms of the interview I did with Jeff Eavely is that Eavely is not against bans designed to reduce forest fires.

00:03:17.980 So he says, I'm not against burn bans.

00:03:19.900 And I wouldn't even be against, he told me, a ban on bringing lighters or matches into the woods.

00:03:24.820 Because as I posted on X earlier this week, I don't know how many people actually go out into the woods.

00:03:29.960 If you don't have a match or a lighter, it's actually quite difficult to start a fire in the woods.

00:03:34.700 Like, there have been entire shows on this.

00:03:37.300 You know, if you've ever watched Alone or Survivor or any of these shows, it's actually very difficult to start a fire.

00:03:43.580 Without some type of fuel, it's actually very difficult to sustain a fire.

00:03:46.440 So it's not so much that he wants to break the rule because he doesn't care about forest fires.

00:03:50.980 It's because the rule doesn't make sense.

00:03:53.420 That's ultimately, I think, what the biggest issue is with Canadians. 1.00

00:03:56.540 And this is what makes it so COVID-adjacent.

00:03:58.260 It's kind of like when you had to wear your mask while you waited to get seated at a restaurant.

00:04:01.600 And then when you sat down, you could suddenly take the mask off.

00:04:04.340 There was no science to it at all.

00:04:06.220 It was completely performative.

00:04:08.020 And I think that's the issue here.

00:04:10.460 And then you said the JCCF is defending him.

00:04:13.040 Is that going to be like, do you know their position?

00:04:15.140 Are they taking it as this is a violation of charter rights or the Constitution or what their position is there?

00:04:20.200 My understanding is that it's going to be a charter infringement position that they're going to be taking if this goes to court.

00:04:26.580 I think also the feeling is that this won't go to court.

00:04:29.660 Again, the ticket itself is also a performative action, right?

00:04:33.820 Because like $20,000, I mean, you also can't squeeze blood from a stone, right?

00:04:38.720 I mean, very few people have $28,000 sitting in their bank account, nor should they.

00:04:43.440 They should probably invest that somewhere.

00:04:46.000 But, yeah, that's not something most people can pay.

00:04:49.700 And so I imagine that they won't be enforcing this to the full extent of the law, even though the Premier of Nova Scotia says that he intends to.

00:04:58.320 Yeah, Waleed, have you been paying attention to this?

00:05:00.680 Do you think these tickets are going to get tossed or enforced?

00:05:03.440 Or what do you think about the timeline here?

00:05:05.940 Yeah, just to get on what Alex was saying, is 12 was the number that Tim Houston quoted in his previous press conference.

00:05:13.460 12 people have been fined, assuming we're around the $25,000 range.

00:05:17.920 Do I think they're going to be taken all the way?

00:05:20.520 Well, for now, Houston's rhetoric says so.

00:05:22.420 He says that he intends to take them all the way, prosecute them fully to make sure consequences are paid up.

00:05:28.660 So, again, like you guys have mentioned, people are so close to financial insolvency.

00:05:32.980 Affordability is already a crisis in Atlantic Canada as it is in the rest of the country.

00:05:37.140 So I don't really think anyone actually is going to pay up penny by penny.

00:05:40.240 But the governments are definitely putting all the pressure possible.

00:05:43.780 I mean, that's Nova Scotia with Tim Houston.

00:05:45.800 You're talking about $25,000 as you're starting fine.

00:05:47.820 In Newfoundland, in Labrador, you have fines between $50,000 to $150,000.

00:05:55.320 And the result of a default in payment could increase.

00:06:00.380 Well, previously for defaulting payments of certain fines would get you three days in prison or up to three days in prison.

00:06:07.220 Now that has been taking up to six months in prison.

00:06:09.720 So Newfoundland, they're levying jail time, six months.

00:06:13.520 Some serious consequence there, of course.

00:06:16.220 And the fine range of $50,000 to $150,000 is just unprecedented.

00:06:20.520 But the story here, guys, is the fact that they're moving goal close.

00:06:24.600 And that's where they're losing a lot of people more and more by the day, actually.

00:06:28.260 Between Tim Houston and New Brunswick Premier Susan Holt, between those two individuals, three narratives have been peddled in less than a week.

00:06:37.660 First, with Tim Houston, you had the question about going into forests, starting a fire.

00:06:42.340 Then Susan Holt's like, oh, it's not about starting a fire.

00:06:45.260 It's more so about, you know, you not being in the forest, getting injured.

00:06:49.160 Because if you get injured in the forest, we're not going to come save you.

00:06:52.720 You're abandoned.

00:06:53.500 You're lost.

00:06:54.180 You're done.

00:06:54.600 You're cooked.

00:06:55.460 And then, of course, after that, Tim Houston comes on.

00:06:57.760 He doubles down on a new reason.

00:06:58.840 He's like, oh, it's not about being injured.

00:07:01.060 It's not about starting a forest fire.

00:07:02.980 It's about being there.

00:07:03.780 And the forest fire just happens to start.

00:07:05.880 It's like, don't get yourself caught in the forest fire in the first place.

00:07:08.860 So, three different narratives between two premiers forwarding each other in a week.

00:07:13.660 People are confused.

00:07:14.740 What the hell are they yapping about?

00:07:16.380 And what are they threatening about?

00:07:17.620 I mean, is it not to start fires?

00:07:19.360 Is it to avoid being in a fire?

00:07:21.120 Is it to be, you know, in a rescuable situation if you're injured in the forest?

00:07:25.680 I mean, there's a lot of confusion with the narratives.

00:07:28.780 Consequences are obviously disproportional.

00:07:31.460 People are frustrated.

00:07:32.100 And, of course, many people, like some of the activists that are fighting for civil liberties in that issue, like they've said before, I mean, they're all good with taking on preventative measures against forest fires.

00:07:46.080 But, of course, when you take this rationale and you change it day by day, week after week, people lose you.

00:07:54.060 Yeah, no pun intended there with the cooked.

00:07:57.200 But, yeah, no, just quickly, I just want to touch on one thing.

00:08:01.120 So the Nova Scotia thing, you can't go in the forest, whatever.

00:08:03.700 But I thought the Newfoundland thing, Waleed, was just more of like a fire ban, which I thought more people would be advocating for because, of course, we've seen the problem with arson in terms of forest fires in Canada.

00:08:15.300 And lots of people have been calling for much, much, much larger punishments when it comes to arson because of the forest fires.

00:08:23.120 So is that the key differentiator there between Newfoundland and Nova Scotia?

00:08:26.960 That, one, you just can't even go in the forest because you could possibly start a fire.

00:08:31.080 And then one is like, you actually just can't have a fire.

00:08:34.500 So actually, last Saturday's press conference with Premier Andrew Fury, he himself said the penalties, which, again, like I said, include minimum fines of $50,000,

00:08:43.080 are applying to anyone that ignores evacuation orders, that enters the restricted zones, or otherwise obstructs firefighting efforts.

00:08:52.980 So I'll let you interpret how that would be.

00:08:56.620 Yeah.

00:08:57.200 Okay.

00:08:57.420 Can I add one more thing on this?

00:08:59.680 I think that one of the more interesting elements of this story is the level of outrage.

00:09:05.360 Because as I understand it, this is not totally unprecedented.

00:09:09.140 The government has done this sort of thing before.

00:09:11.500 But people seem to be particularly outraged about it this time around.

00:09:15.400 And I have a bit of a macro psychological theory on what might be happening there.

00:09:19.860 So, Justin Trudeau, we dislike him a lot.

00:09:25.260 And he prompted a lot of outrage and anger in Canadians.

00:09:29.300 And nature abhors a vacuum.

00:09:31.760 And so now that Trudeau is gone, that anger and outrage, it has to find a home.

00:09:36.560 It has to go somewhere.

00:09:37.900 And so I think that this forest fire ban and the outrage surrounding it, I don't want to suggest that Jeff Feebley's objection to it is superfluous.

00:09:45.820 What I will say, though, is that I find that it fits within a trend of people on the political right in Canada kind of finding ways to vent their outrage that they used to use against Trudeau.

00:09:58.540 So we went from ostriches to Christian rock concerts to forest hiking bands.

00:10:06.000 Like, what do any of these things have in common?

00:10:07.960 And I'm not so sure that they have anything in common other than the fact that people are just looking for a place to vent their rage, so to speak.

00:10:14.040 So, if you recall, in 2020, our neighbors to the south in the United States, when Donald Trump went out of office in 2020, you saw this very pronounced on the left.

00:10:24.340 Remember, there was always, what is the new thing?

00:10:26.300 So, first, they were outraged at the unvaccinated.

00:10:29.020 Then they were outraged at Russia.

00:10:31.480 Then they were outraged at, you know, objections to trans people in women's sports and so on and so forth.

00:10:37.360 And so I think that those two things are analogous, and I just thought it was kind of an interesting theory to throw out there that might explain why people are getting so angry over these kind of niche issues recently.

00:10:47.280 Yeah, decent theory.

00:10:50.400 But, of course, when it comes to charter rights and constitutionally protected rights, you can expect, well, you would hope that Canadians would unite against it.

00:11:00.980 But even with this, we haven't seen a united front, more so a divided front, with two people or two groups of people taking very strong stances on both sides.

00:11:10.840 Well, I think it's also an issue that's unique to the Maritimes as well, right?

00:11:15.200 Because I don't know if it has something to do with the fact that they receive so much subsidy from the government in terms of seasonal work, but they tend to have, like, a more paternalistic approach to the way they view their government, right?

00:11:25.220 They're more accepting of a government controlling what they do.

00:11:29.880 You know, could you imagine if they tried to do this in B.C. or Alberta?

00:11:32.520 Like, they'd burn the legislature down.

00:11:35.160 People would be absolutely furious.

00:11:36.600 So, you know, I guess, like, the Maritimes is a different place, and people view their politics very differently there.

00:11:43.100 Well, speaking of politics, yeah, well, myself and Fortune North was at Alberta Prosperity Project Town Hall in Edmonton on Tuesday, which featured about 300 attendees live at the town hall there.

00:11:59.580 And I heard around 600 also tuned into the live stream, which was, yeah, no.

00:12:05.880 So this town hall was one of the almost 40 events that they've had in the last two months.

00:12:11.460 So, like, basically, every day, guys, they're having a different town hall in some Alberta municipality.

00:12:17.060 And this was, I think, the first one that had been to one of the two major cities, that being Edmonton and Calgary.

00:12:21.780 The other ones have been to, like, small towns, rural places.

00:12:24.560 But this was the first one in one of the main cities.

00:12:28.260 So the event was about two hours long, just over.

00:12:31.780 And it had three speakers, the first of whom, Dr. Dennis Modry.

00:12:35.020 Some people may be familiar with him.

00:12:36.500 He's quite a renowned doctor.

00:12:38.580 He, of course, implemented Western Canada's first heart and lung transplantation program and performed the first heart and lung transplants in the 80s and 90s.

00:12:48.560 So he was the first speaker.

00:12:50.320 He talked, well, I mean, all three of the speakers kind of talked about similar things in regard to sovereignty.

00:12:55.560 And, of course, the second speaker was general counsel for the APP, Geoffrey Rath, again, a very popular name in modern times.

00:13:02.860 And he also took shots at Ottawa, at Kearney.

00:13:06.180 And even he took shots at even Doug Ford.

00:13:08.120 He said, Doug Ford doesn't know anything about oil.

00:13:10.400 He didn't even know line five runs through the states.

00:13:12.600 So, yeah, oh, wow, to get to the Ontario oil has to go through the U.S.

00:13:15.940 He took a shot at Ford saying that.

00:13:17.180 So there was lots of things I couldn't possibly summarize what happened at this two-hour conference quickly.

00:13:25.000 But the third speaker was, of course, Alberta Prosperity Project CEO, Mitch Sylvester.

00:13:31.680 And he, I guess, took a slightly different approach.

00:13:34.700 And he was talking about more or less how Canada was built to work against Alberta, citing equalization payments,

00:13:42.780 pension contributions, Senate representation, Supreme Court justice representation, all things on how Alberta is set up to fail, essentially, in Confederation.

00:13:55.380 He said a few other interesting things.

00:13:58.200 But I also spoke with a couple attendees at the town hall there, one of whom, Catherine Speck.

00:14:04.520 She was a volunteer helping there.

00:14:06.120 And I have a good quote from here.

00:14:07.520 She said, quote, it doesn't feel sorry.

00:14:10.940 It doesn't seem like the Canada of today is the same as the Canada of my past.

00:14:14.880 I feel we can have a better relationship with Canada once we're independent.

00:14:18.540 That's what I'm hoping and praying for.

00:14:20.140 And then I spoke with another attendee there, Don Bonner.

00:14:24.740 He was a pretty textbook Albertan, I'd say.

00:14:29.320 He's an oil industry veteran for 45 years.

00:14:32.480 And he said he actually felt like a pioneer hitching his wagon going out west, getting involved in this Alberta sovereignty movement.

00:14:40.160 So, yeah, no, it was pretty interesting.

00:14:42.420 The town hall, it was, like I said, it was pretty long.

00:14:45.120 They actually, so the three speakers each spoke for about 30 minutes, give or take a bit more.

00:14:49.360 So that was about two hours.

00:14:51.160 I know three times 30 is not two hours.

00:14:53.340 It's an hour and a half.

00:14:54.000 But we're talking about the extra times in between here.

00:14:56.580 And then they actually had a Q&A session after where people could, like, submit questions and stuff.

00:15:00.780 But they even cut that short because they were looking around and everyone was, like, dozing off probably.

00:15:05.480 But, you know, everyone was getting pretty tired.

00:15:08.220 It was late at night.

00:15:09.600 So they did cut the Q&A portion short.

00:15:13.440 Yeah, no, do you guys have any?

00:15:15.100 I know you're not in Alberta, but do you have any opinions on the Alberta?

00:15:19.360 Prosperity Project town halls and kind of what they've been doing?

00:15:22.500 And just the fact that they're doing, like, one a day across the province?

00:15:25.660 I mean, it's crazy.

00:15:26.200 I mean, I'm kind of an old school self-determination people person, I guess.

00:15:35.920 So if Alberta wants to pursue, within their legal rights, potential independence, I'm all for it, personally.

00:15:43.920 I mean, I would tend to agree with many of the sentiments that you just relayed from that event with regards to Alberta being treated very unfairly.

00:15:52.920 I'm even further west than Alberta.

00:15:57.580 This is where you basically abandon your wagon and do fentanyl.

00:16:02.760 So it's, yeah, even further west than west itself.

00:16:11.800 And I would love for you guys to take us with you.

00:16:15.460 Not to say that I don't love Canada and I don't appreciate this country very, very much.

00:16:19.760 But I definitely share many of the sentiments that Albertans do.

00:16:24.020 Yeah, and that's another thing they were, I guess, emphasizing at the town hall is that, look, we're trying, or Alberta or the prosperity or the separatist advocates, let's call them, are trying to go down the route of this democratic process wherein if a majority of people want to separate, they will.

00:16:40.180 And they're just trying to say, look, we want to hold these town halls to present you all the information that we have and you can make the decision for yourself.

00:16:47.240 So it's more of like an informational session.

00:16:49.000 We're going to, there was lots of data and facts in the presentation that here's how much oil we produce, blah, blah, blah.

00:16:54.860 You know, those kinds of things like the money, of course, their fiscal costed plan is like 100 pages, 200 pages, whatever.

00:17:00.420 And they have all the analysis in there and that was referenced slightly at the town hall.

00:17:04.000 But yeah, I mean, it's really just the democratic process of town halls, right?

00:17:08.740 But something else that I attended on Thursday there was the court ruling on the petition question, of course, which many people were looking forward to, let's say.

00:17:19.000 And I don't know, more or less the judge went through the whole ruling.

00:17:25.340 So he spoke on background and precedent for like an hour.

00:17:27.980 And on the last 30 seconds, he delivered his conclusion, which he struck the motion to dismiss the petition, which means it will go forward.

00:17:35.020 Or the debates on whether it can proceed will go forward.

00:17:38.640 That means he said that there were legitimate arguments on both sides and that Albertans deserve to hear both sides of the argument and come to an informed decision.

00:17:50.060 And one of the quotes he said at the end there was, democracy deserves nothing less.

00:17:54.440 And then I was talking with a few of the representatives for the Alberta separatist movement, notably, for example, Mitch Sylvester.

00:18:02.280 I talked to him and he said to me, you know, I think this is important.

00:18:06.800 He actually compared it to Athens because going forward with this, like anyone could have tuned in to the court hearing today.

00:18:12.440 It was live streamed, right?

00:18:13.420 And going forward with these hearings, I expect much of the same where he said, look, this is going to be broadcast for the entire nation.

00:18:19.840 We'll see where they'll see like what our problems are from a separatist standpoint.

00:18:25.920 And we're going to present them.

00:18:27.540 And yeah, he compared it to Athens, you know, back in the day when the public sphere was at its greatest, let's say, where all the citizens just came to the, I don't know what it's called, amphitheater and debated things.

00:18:41.600 And, you know, and that's really the cornerstone of democracy.

00:18:45.620 Yeah.

00:18:45.800 Waleed, did you, did you want to chime in at all?

00:18:47.640 I mean, I'm just ranting here.

00:18:50.000 Well, look, I, looking at Quebec's history, as someone born and raised, well, at least born in Quebec, raised in Ottawa.

00:18:57.140 So I have a very, very local perspective on how separatism has touched and challenged Canada's federalist narrative.

00:19:06.440 Because, again, it's a, it's a small little river cross between Gatineau and Ottawa.

00:19:11.620 And, of course, the mentalities would change much more radically between those bridges.

00:19:16.420 So on Alberta and whether or not Alberta has a strong case that I personally respect or that I personally encourage.

00:19:22.860 Look, I just think it's purely based on the fact that we've had consecutive liberal governments while Alberta has rejected their agendas.

00:19:30.440 You have the EV mandates, you have C-69, killing pipelines, killing projects, essentially killing Alberta's path of prosperity.

00:19:40.460 Like, yeah, Alberta has still a pretty relatively competitive well-being considering the rest of the country and the state of the country.

00:19:47.100 But if you look at Alberta's top prosperity projection based on if they were to open up more oil markets and, you know, increase the capacity of their existing pipelines and perhaps increasing the amount of projects they're going to take on in the future.

00:20:02.760 I mean, the possibilities are endless.

00:20:05.080 Again, for now, they end in Ottawa.

00:20:07.460 So the building of frustration, and this is a funny thing about, you know, Alberta.

00:20:11.720 Like, I was at the Freedom Convoy in 2022.

00:20:14.660 I saw the F Trudeau flags.

00:20:16.140 I saw some genuine, authentic, cross-country, cross-cultural frustration towards Trudeau and towards the liberal regime.

00:20:22.820 But when I talk to people from Alberta, I mean, those flags have been around since 2015.

00:20:26.680 So I think the patience is run thin among many, many people.

00:20:30.340 There is a real popular, decently popular now.

00:20:34.240 Is it enough to cross any threshold?

00:20:35.700 I'm not sure.

00:20:36.720 That's something you have to ask someone from the province for now.

00:20:40.020 But I really do believe that the frustration angle about Alberta's contrast in economic priorities, its contrast in economic interests, as you say, they pay into the CPP, federal pension plan, equalization formula, subsidizing provinces of a weaker scale with much less in return on Alberta's behalf.

00:20:59.760 There is a really strong case from Alberta's perspective to consider a rewiring of relations with Ottawa, again, would that require independence, would that require a different constitutional process?

00:21:12.200 I'm not sure.

00:21:13.040 But I really much respect the case of Alberta's behalf.

00:21:15.720 The only advice I would say is you have to tie a cultural element into it as well.

00:21:19.860 It can't just be about checks and balances and economics.

00:21:22.060 To last a certain time period, you've got to also integrate some cultural considerations.

00:21:27.460 The question of immigration, the question of security, probably public safety can be inserted into that conversation as well.

00:21:34.300 But I find the Prosperity Project, along with the town halls, along with everything else the government and the public are doing, to be of great interest.

00:21:40.960 And I look forward to seeing where it comes next year.

00:21:43.440 Yeah, well, Lee brought up the Quebec Supreme Court ruling precedent, which, of course, the judge mentioned a few times.

00:21:51.100 But another thing I found interesting was there's really no Canadian precedent for constitutionally related referenda, specifically whether these referenda could violate the Constitution or not.

00:22:03.840 So a lot of the precedents he drew on are from Europe and the U.S.

00:22:07.960 But, Alex, going forward, well, first of all, do you think Canadians have been paying attention in large to Alberta's sovereignty movement thus far?

00:22:16.340 And do you think that will grow going forward, especially with these court rulings, if they're very public affairs?

00:22:24.180 Do you think people from across the nation are going to be watching?

00:22:27.500 If I'm being perfectly honest, I would say no.

00:22:29.820 I mean, Canada is a really big country.

00:22:33.780 I just learned recently, if you turned it sideways and you overlapped it over Europe, I think it would stretch from London to Nepal.

00:22:41.260 So, like, that just gives you an idea of the distance between Alberta and the Maritimes, right?

00:22:46.080 I mean, even here in B.C., we neighbor, we're probably, I guess, your largest bordering country, if you were an independent country, or tied with Saskatchewan, I'm not really sure.

00:22:55.520 Even here in B.C., like, on the street, people are not talking about Alberta independence at all, frankly.

00:23:03.420 And I'm not saying that it's not important.

00:23:05.280 I'm just saying that I think that the interest outside of Alberta is minimal.

00:23:09.820 Well, we'll see once if a constitutional question or if a referendum question comes forward and if it's voted on, because then this was mentioned a lot in court today, too.

00:23:19.540 It's like that's not even really binding in itself.

00:23:23.100 It just triggers a negotiation among, of course, the province, the country, etc.

00:23:30.840 So, we'll see.

00:23:32.160 Definitely once it gets to that stage, I'm sure it'll be the talk of the town of every town, but we'll have to wait and see for that.

00:23:38.420 Speaking of unity, I guess, we saw some of the Western premiers kind of unite, maybe, against Mark Carney not dealing with China's canola tariffs.

00:23:51.520 I mean, I saw Wob Canu, and I don't really know how to interpret what he said because this is such an unbelievable statement, but he said that Western producers are losing or lost $1 billion in a single day because of these canola tariffs.

00:24:06.620 So, I don't know if that's just, like, saying they lost a billion over a certain timeframe because of the decision of one day or if they're actually losing a billion dollars a day because that's just insanity.

00:24:15.560 I mean, a billion dollars in a day.

00:24:17.000 It's just crazy to me.

00:24:18.040 Yeah, what went on here with the canola tariffs, Waleed?

00:24:22.400 On Wob's comments, I'm not sure if he's referring to any specific jurisdiction, if that's the entire country.

00:24:28.420 And, again, the magnitude and the timeline matters a lot, but those are his words.

00:24:33.020 A billion dollars a day that they're losing based on these canola tariffs, the 75.8% that China slapped on, on top of some other previous tariffs that China slapped on to kind of those agricultural products, most of whom come from the West as well.

00:24:44.680 So, you're not surprised that the Western premieres, with the exception of David Eby, because I haven't heard anything from him in the last day in the two.

00:24:51.500 Wab Canu, Daniel Smith, Scott Moe have all made it clear that these tariffs need the same tension, if not more, than what the tariff situation that the U.S. is drawing us into.

00:24:59.260 Obviously, this whole elbows-up theme, election domination, the focus on, you know, both the Liberal Party and their supporters have always been, since perhaps the late last year, have been on U.S. tariffs.

00:25:12.300 But on China, there's a greater effect, frankly, because at least for now, as Ryu and I have covered in previous episodes,

00:25:18.500 Kuzma is saving the game for at least this year on most of our products that are going between the border.

00:25:24.940 So, the U.S. effects, the U.S. tariffs do have an effect, but it's rather minimal.

00:25:29.880 When it comes to China, it comes to a very interesting question, and this is just something I probably had a bit of a beef with here at True North with another colleague in the past,

00:25:37.760 about what it is that comes out of this situation.

00:25:40.260 So, China, as you know, applied these tariffs based on the fact that Canada applies 100% tariffs on imported EVs from the country.

00:25:48.640 This is kind of the way of levying whether or not we will bow down and open up one sector in exchange for another.

00:25:55.720 Obviously, China has a very, very important market influence in our canola exports, so there's definitely a case to be made there.

00:26:03.280 Scott Moe himself, I think he's the one who took the lead when it comes to the rhetorical response,

00:26:07.120 because he had a press conference where he himself said that Carney has to drop the prioritization of the EV industry in Canada.

00:26:13.420 In other words, Scott Moe, a conservative leading premier, is asking Carney to open up the EV market to China

00:26:20.300 in exchange for the canola market to resume its highest potential of trade activity with China, with Beijing.

00:26:27.760 Daniela Smith is also essentially similar when she's asked Carney to take similar steps.

00:26:32.840 Scott Moe also asked for him to push Mark Carney, that is, to push for a meeting with,

00:26:37.120 uh, Chinese president, Xi Jinping, and, uh, even Manitoba's premier has emphasized the importance

00:26:43.420 of it as well.

00:26:44.000 So there's a cross spectrum, spectrum unity there among those three so far.

00:26:48.400 Uh, but again, the question remains, is this something that Carney is interested in?

00:26:52.320 Uh, first of all, putting a focal point on China's trade reset, if they want to open up negotiations on

00:26:59.120 multiple fronts, because I think we have more than one issue to sort out with China.

00:27:04.560 But on top of that, will the EV question be part of it?

00:27:09.120 I assume so, it will be part of the negotiations, but can you imagine BYD, China's main, uh, EV

00:27:16.240 company pumping out cars on Canadian streets?

00:27:18.960 I mean, that would be very interesting for one.

00:27:20.960 So if that's the exchange canola for Chinese EVs, for now, it seems like Scott Moe and Western

00:27:27.920 premieres are in favor of that move.

00:27:29.920 Yeah, well, it just seems a bit, I don't know, compelling, contradictory to me that,

00:27:35.520 that the liberals have this EV net zero mandate, meaning they want us or force it or going to

00:27:41.440 force us to all drive electric vehicles, but at the same time are tariffing China EVs.

00:27:48.400 So I don't understand that.

00:27:50.480 Like, do you want us, cause that in theory, if there's more competition in the market

00:27:54.080 from China, from with EVs, all the EVs would go down in price.

00:27:57.920 So why is that?

00:28:00.080 These things just seem too, uh, that they're colliding too heavily.

00:28:04.240 I don't, I don't get it at all.

00:28:05.360 How, how are you trying to push EVs onto Canadians, but also tariffing EVs from other countries?

00:28:10.960 Well, China has a special case. 0.94

00:28:14.000 I mean, the U S and Canada have been trying to push China out of the EV market as well.

00:28:18.320 The car making market overall, regardless the many reasons for that.

00:28:21.200 I mean, you know, China, as you know, has a much cheaper cost of labor,

00:28:24.400 much cheaper cost of production of those vehicles and can absolutely flood the market.

00:28:28.160 And they've already done this before when it comes to many products that we, we buy in every

00:28:31.840 day and products that perhaps we don't want to buy every day.

00:28:34.800 You know, China has a record with the surveillance and perhaps a bit more hostile behavior.

00:28:39.760 We're dealing with Chinese companies are often dealing with state via proxy as well.

00:28:43.360 Huawei is a perfect example of that.

00:28:45.200 We wouldn't want Huawei running our, you know, our infrastructure to do with our 5G networks

00:28:50.160 across the country.

00:28:51.280 Perhaps similar concerns could pop up if let's say BYD becomes a key critical component of our

00:28:57.920 charging networks in the country.

00:28:59.360 And of course, you know, with these electric cars, you're not talking about electric vehicles.

00:29:02.640 We're talking about smart electric vehicles.

00:29:04.240 If I don't know if you guys have ever been in a BYD vehicle, but I have, and I know for a fact

00:29:08.160 that these resemble what Tesla's like to offer computerized systems, automation,

00:29:14.560 network connection systems, just a lot of technology in the vehicle that you wouldn't expect

00:29:18.960 from anywhere else besides a Tesla.

00:29:20.800 So again, there are multiple concerns, but I think on the economic front, it's more to do with,

00:29:25.680 again, China's disparity of production and quality costs.

00:29:29.200 Whereas over here in Canada and North America, especially with the ongoing auto tariffs,

00:29:33.280 we're getting from the US, I think it would be very hard on automakers here at home.

00:29:37.440 Now, again, the question here remains, and this is going to be a very conservative question because

00:29:41.680 the conservatives have always been, let's just say in recent times, the more hostile, the more

00:29:47.200 skeptical of China party or wing in Canadian politics.

00:29:50.560 But I think this is one of the exceptions where they might be willing to give up the whole

00:29:56.320 anti-Beijing sentiment on electric cars if it means continued expanded trade on agriculture,

00:30:04.160 which their provinces obviously rely on.

00:30:05.840 So I think there's a very unique formula here for the consumers to warm up a bit more to,

00:30:10.480 let's say Chinese trade, maybe not Chinese, you know, diplomatic or political relations,

00:30:15.520 but more so to open up with more trade on Beijing on the electric vehicle front, again,

00:30:20.560 in exchange for a critical bargaining chip.

00:30:23.680 So that's going to be a question that Carney has to answer in the next couple months and

00:30:28.000 seeing whether or not he takes the Chinese question very seriously.

00:30:31.600 But there is a geographic disparity of priority here.

00:30:34.080 The West cares more about this than any other part of the country.

00:30:37.040 So this will be Carney's opportunity to win back some support

00:30:40.320 in a region that probably doesn't like him so much.

00:30:43.440 Yeah, Alex, I just wanted to get your thoughts there specifically on,

00:30:47.600 let's call it Carney's theatrics, that being that he's focused so much on Trump,

00:30:51.840 of course, despite the fact that Kuzma goods, 93% of which are exempt from tariffs.

00:30:58.880 But of course, now China is going to obliterate our canola industry, 1.00

00:31:03.920 and our food prices are already through the roof, and this is only going to make things worse.

00:31:07.840 So yeah, what do you think about, I guess, the performativeness of it all,

00:31:11.840 and how serious this threat from China should be taken by Carney?

00:31:16.160 Well, I'm not very knowledgeable on the subject, to be perfectly honest.

00:31:20.960 So I don't really have much to say about it.

00:31:23.280 But I did have some follow up questions.

00:31:24.720 I think they're kind of in the same realm of the questions that you were asking,

00:31:27.200 Malid, because I think that he's kind of taking the lead on this subject.

00:31:31.040 Yeah.

00:31:31.600 Um, so why I understand that the notion that China has cheaper labor and cheaper components,

00:31:38.240 so that therefore they could flood our market.

00:31:40.560 But the federal government has also said that they want to have no gas powered vehicles by 2035.

00:31:46.960 So what could the logic possibly be for them not wanting

00:31:50.880 the market to be flooded with cheap electric vehicles?

00:31:53.360 It seems like that would be kind of the path of least resistance.

00:31:56.320 That's what I was saying.

00:31:57.440 And goal.

00:31:58.640 Are they unsafe?

00:32:00.080 Like, do they, like, they are made in China.

00:32:02.240 Like, are they run on lead paint or like?

00:32:06.000 One thing I will say briefly, Alex, is just, I remember a video.

00:32:09.200 Someone was, I think they were talking to Elon and I don't recall exactly what the situation

00:32:13.440 was, but there was some controversy and they said, why don't you just shut their cars off?

00:32:16.640 Like he, he has the power to do that.

00:32:18.800 Right.

00:32:18.960 You understand he could just shut off all the Teslas and you can no longer drive.

00:32:22.400 So imagine if every person in Canada drives some Chinese made vehicle 0.98

00:32:26.640 and they can control that infrastructure, they could shut down your vehicle.

00:32:30.400 I mean, this, this is, you can probably, you probably can confirm this.

00:32:33.680 I assume that there's not really a true arms length relationship between BYD

00:32:37.920 and the Chinese communist party.

00:32:40.400 It's the same as Tencent and the same as ByteDance.

00:32:43.600 It's, it's, yeah, it's one of the same by proxy, you could say.

00:32:48.560 So is that the concern?

00:32:49.840 Is it a security concern or what, what is the, what's the logic here?

00:32:54.480 The question here is who you're asking.

00:32:56.240 So there's a public concern and there's a political concern.

00:33:00.320 What I read from the public is the debate, perhaps on the, you know, social media forums

00:33:04.560 and the public sphere is that BYD is an arm of the Chinese regime.

00:33:09.360 The Chinese regime presents itself hostile in a hostile fashion to Canada.

00:33:13.600 Of course, the past proves that I don't think there's an argument there.

00:33:16.640 The argument remains is okay.

00:33:18.080 Well, China has a certain level of leverage in Canada.

00:33:20.880 It has a very important relationship with Ottawa and vice versa.

00:33:24.400 Canola being one of those tools.

00:33:25.920 And that's what they've been living so far this year.

00:33:28.800 That's hurt.

00:33:29.360 A lot of the Western provinces, Western provinces,

00:33:31.760 the more conservative leading end of the country, which normally would have a much more hostile

00:33:35.920 and skeptical view towards China.

00:33:38.160 All of a sudden they find their interest in trying to warm up to one Chinese industry, 0.89

00:33:42.160 one Chinese company.

00:33:44.240 So, and again, in this quick protocol format, on the political angle, you have Mark Carney,

00:33:49.760 who has in past months since becoming prime minister said that he wants to, quote,

00:33:54.480 reset relations with Beijing, whatever that means.

00:33:57.600 I mean, you guys remember from the election, you had a candidate or two candidates in the

00:34:01.600 same writing actually, that were very much of a heritage of, you know, pro CCP individuals.

00:34:08.320 He's also taken a much more friendly approach when it comes to the question of India as well.

00:34:13.120 So I think part of his narrative would make sense to move in that direction because he said to

00:34:18.640 himself, we have to look for alternatives beyond the US.

00:34:21.840 Asian trade relations are critical for Canada's economy.

00:34:26.160 China being perhaps the biggest out of all.

00:34:28.480 So I'm not sure what is stopping Ottawa from making that move.

00:34:32.960 What I am very interested to see is how conservatives, the opposition on a federal level and across the

00:34:38.400 provinces in the West navigate that issue given their historical skepticism in China.

00:34:43.840 That's what I'm really curious about.

00:34:45.040 Paul Yev actually spoke about it today.

00:34:46.880 He did a press conference in Saskatchewan and he had mentioned the fact that it's absurd that we would have

00:34:51.920 this, um, 100% tariff.

00:34:54.880 Well, I don't know if he made the connection, but he said, I I'm making the connection.

00:34:59.040 It's absurd to have this 100% EV tariff on Chinese EVs.

00:35:03.760 And meanwhile, we are procuring all of our shipbuilding to China.

00:35:07.360 We're giving them a $1 billion taxpayer loan to build our ferries.

00:35:11.200 So we will take their ferries, but we won't take their electric vehicles, even though it's a

00:35:16.160 mandated goal of this government to switch us all to electric vehicles.

00:35:21.440 Yeah.

00:35:21.760 I, I can't seem to untangle that, but it seems like I see the connection there.

00:35:29.280 Sorry to interrupt.

00:35:30.000 I see the connection there between the EV question and the shipbuilding question.

00:35:35.120 Actually the BC consider the party just released the letter recently calling on

00:35:38.640 uh, the premier to fire the CEO of BC theories.

00:35:42.480 So that's something that we're going to see coming up in the near future.

00:35:45.280 More and more skepticism and opposition towards that deal, that $1 billion shipbuilding deal

00:35:50.160 with the state owned Chinese state owned shipbuilding company.

00:35:53.280 However, I think the connection that Paul Yev has been making is one of the canola tariff

00:35:57.280 issue that China is acting in a hostile fashion on trade.

00:36:00.800 Yet we're rewarding Chinese companies with the BC contract.

00:36:03.680 So I think that's the link that Paul Yev, I've seen him make that link before.

00:36:07.600 He made that link.

00:36:08.240 I wrote that in the article as well.

00:36:10.000 So I think that's kind of where he's headed towards in that rhetorical direction.

00:36:14.240 But I also equally appreciate that connection as well between, you know, on the EV issue.

00:36:18.960 Well, we're, we're supposedly so sold on EVs.

00:36:22.960 This makes sense.

00:36:23.920 You got to pick a side here.

00:36:27.280 Okay, yeah, seems like none of us can make heads or tails.

00:36:31.040 Yeah, none of us understand how this contradiction can be.

00:36:34.720 But something else we might not understand is when to cross the street, apparently.

00:36:39.200 So yeah, can we just can we roll that clip right away?

00:36:45.600 These last guys that are running.

00:36:50.240 Hey, bud.

00:36:51.840 Hey, excuse me, excuse me.

00:36:53.280 Hi, it's the police.

00:36:54.480 How are you?

00:36:55.440 A lot of the pedestrians don't realize they're supposed to only step off when it's that.

00:36:57.920 Yeah.

00:36:58.320 And they start the running thing.

00:36:59.760 So next time, just wait for the light for me.

00:37:01.120 Okay.

00:37:01.440 Okay.

00:37:01.920 Hey, how you doing?

00:37:03.520 Hi, it's Vancouver Police.

00:37:04.400 I'm a student from education.

00:37:05.840 You stepped off when we were here when the numbers were going onto the street.

00:37:09.040 So it's for your safety, but it's also to keep the traffic moving.

00:37:11.520 And cars can't turn because they're waiting for you.

00:37:13.440 Okay.

00:37:13.840 And it's on every sign.

00:37:14.720 It's on every pole.

00:37:16.240 You already know because I can tell you're laughing.

00:37:17.600 We're just trying to keep you safe.

00:37:18.560 Nobody's in trouble.

00:37:19.920 Enjoy your stay.

00:37:20.560 Okay.

00:37:22.000 You have dinosaurs?

00:37:23.200 I'll put them right there.

00:37:25.280 Yeah, you know what I mean?

00:37:26.160 Fair enough.

00:37:26.480 That's a good comment.

00:37:27.440 I appreciate it.

00:37:27.920 Have a great day.

00:37:29.840 So I was just scrolling through my Instagram and I saw this kind of like public service

00:37:34.080 announcement type thing from the Vancouver Police Department.

00:37:36.480 I want to be very clear.

00:37:37.600 I think that any type of civil engagement between the police and the public is generally a good thing.

00:37:43.520 We are, I like to speak on my own behalf, but I believe as an organization,

00:37:47.040 we're going to back the blue organization.

00:37:48.640 We appreciate the police.

00:37:49.840 They're important first responders and we need them in order to have a functioning society.

00:37:56.000 But Vancouver is barely a functioning society.

00:37:59.760 And that's what I think has drawn so much outrage from this video.

00:38:04.240 Because if you go like four blocks south of there, you are actually allowed to smoke crack and fentanyl.

00:38:10.640 There are people dying on the streets.

00:38:12.800 There are stranger attacks too daily is the current statistic.

00:38:17.600 What are we doing?

00:38:18.960 What is this?

00:38:20.720 Yeah.

00:38:21.360 When you say there, Alex, that any type of civic engagement is good.

00:38:25.600 I mean, that's a nice sentiment in theory, assuming you have unlimited resources.

00:38:29.680 But if you only have X amount of officers and they can only perform X amount of tasks,

00:38:34.400 then those tasks should be carefully selected.

00:38:37.680 And I don't know how this was one that was selected because people running across the street before, 0.96

00:38:45.040 it's not even jaywalking, sorry, before the thing, like you're, this is ridiculous.

00:38:50.080 Although to be fair, I didn't even know about this rule.

00:38:52.160 I've been, I've been crossing the street wrong my whole life, I guess.

00:38:54.720 When there's like 10 seconds left, I walk across.

00:38:56.960 But yeah, just to know that on the street corner where this was filmed,

00:39:00.800 there was probably like 10 people laying down doing fentanyl smoking crack.

00:39:04.960 I mean, it's absolutely unbelievable.

00:39:06.640 Surely the police have better things to do.

00:39:08.400 Even when I'm driving in Edmonton these days, I'm like,

00:39:10.560 oh, a cop won't pull me over from speeding a bit.

00:39:12.480 They have better things to do.

00:39:13.600 Like, sorry, there are bigger crimes to worry about than jaywalking.

00:39:17.360 I mean, as I said, not even jaywalking, like crossing.

00:39:20.720 I mean, I don't even know what you would call this.

00:39:24.640 Yeah, it's completely absurd.

00:39:26.000 I mean, I don't want to give myself away too much, but I lived in Greece for a while.

00:39:29.280 And in Greece, there is, everybody jaywalks. 1.00

00:39:31.600 There's no crosswalk.

00:39:35.600 People just jaywalk all over the place.

00:39:37.200 It's like that in any developing country.

00:39:39.280 Vancouver, I would say, especially that downtown core,

00:39:42.800 is basically a third world country when you get to certain parts.

00:39:46.560 If he went down to East Hastings,

00:39:51.280 is he actually going to hand out jaywalking tickets?

00:39:53.360 He should.

00:39:55.360 But those people are so zombified.

00:39:56.880 The other thing that I found really amusing about this video,

00:39:59.040 I know exactly where that video was taken.

00:40:01.440 And that's a transit hub for students.

00:40:03.680 I went to UBC, and that's one of the places where you pick up the 99 D line,

00:40:06.960 which takes you to the UBC campus.

00:40:08.800 So he's just harassing kids that are going to school.

00:40:11.840 And I'd also be curious to know how many people he spoke to that could not speak English.

00:40:19.040 Because when I went downtown to do that question where I asked people if they knew who the prime

00:40:24.080 minister was, the biggest struggle was finding people who spoke English.

00:40:29.920 Yeah, no, I got a funny...

00:40:31.680 Something funny came to mind, Alex, when you were talking about this.

00:40:34.000 Of course, I was in court today.

00:40:35.280 So I parked like two blocks away in this in-park.

00:40:38.400 And to get to the court, I had to cross two avenues.

00:40:43.200 And you have one option, go to the main street, which is like a bit away,

00:40:47.440 and then wait for the light and cross or just cross the avenue.

00:40:51.520 And in both these abs, there's cops all over the place, because you're right beside the court.

00:40:56.000 So I jaywalked both times in front of police, and they didn't care.

00:40:58.960 Even the first time I did it when I'm going to court, this cop was literally walking right in

00:41:02.560 front of me, and he looked me in the eyes as I'm jaywalking.

00:41:06.000 And I looked at him, and I was like, is this guy going to give me trouble?

00:41:08.080 Didn't even say anything, because these people have bigger concerns to worry about.

00:41:11.920 Probably the crack addicts, like one block away, are a bigger weight on their minds

00:41:16.240 than some guy jaywalking to go to court to cover the petition referendum.

00:41:20.160 Well, I mean, yeah, this is what happens.

00:41:23.040 Yeah.

00:41:23.440 If you make everything legal, which is what Vancouver has done, basically,

00:41:28.560 this is all you're left with, in terms of enforcing the law.

00:41:32.960 If you allow people to do drugs, and you allow people to commit stranger attacks,

00:41:38.400 and then be released on bail the next day, so what's the point in even arresting them,

00:41:41.840 then the only thing you're left with is almost jaywalking.

00:41:45.520 In which case, you know, it begs the question, why even have police at all?

00:41:51.040 And isn't this also the job for bylaw officers?

00:41:53.680 Like, why are the police doing this?

00:41:55.280 This is, the police should be dealing with crime.

00:41:58.640 Yeah, Walid, are you going to make any changes to how you cross the street there?

00:42:03.680 Look, I think every city has its own culture when it comes to this issue.

00:42:06.240 I mean, I have no issue with taking some safety concerns around schools and places where children

00:42:10.720 are involved, where people are playing on the streets.

00:42:12.480 I mean, absolutely, both drivers and pedestrians alike have to take

00:42:16.240 certain precautions. 1.00

00:42:17.040 But this video is, I mean, this crosses a line of just stupidity, frankly. 0.99

00:42:21.600 I mean, you have the situation in Vancouver where public safety is a second thought in most 0.99

00:42:25.600 situations.

00:42:26.640 Drugs, crime, robberies, people attacking strangers, random attacks, you know, not things

00:42:32.320 that are provoked through intimate relations or known gang affiliations.

00:42:36.480 You're talking about random people being attacked randomly by people they've never met before

00:42:40.960 hopping all over the downtown core.

00:42:43.040 That really takes me off a certain way that, again, it's, this is an example of police public

00:42:49.440 engagement, but this is an example of a very tone deaf police public engagement.

00:42:53.920 I mean, I don't think they were reading the room very well when it comes to what the public's

00:42:57.360 concerns are.

00:42:58.480 And like, like Alex said, I mean, this looked to me like a very student heavy area, a very

00:43:02.800 international student heavy area, as you know, UBC is home to thousands of international students,

00:43:07.280 many of them come from Asia.

00:43:08.320 And that looked like kind of the, the peer demographic in the video seems to be of that

00:43:12.720 case.

00:43:13.200 So probably a few times they've encountered people that didn't speak that much English.

00:43:17.840 And of course came from a little bit of a different culture when it comes to the issue

00:43:20.880 of jaywalking and everything else.

00:43:22.800 But I don't think I'm going to be changing my habits anytime soon.

00:43:24.800 I think the rule, frankly, is a goal according to your comfort zone.

00:43:28.240 I mean, if you're in lacrosse, while you have the right to cross, 1.00

00:43:31.760 if you need, it can be three seconds.

00:43:33.120 It can be 10 seconds.

00:43:34.240 Once you're in, you're in, you feel fine.

00:43:36.400 You don't have to run.

00:43:37.680 I mean, I try my best to make sure I know where I'm going and I'm visible in front of cars,

00:43:43.920 you know?

00:43:45.760 So I don't think I'm going to be buying too much into that message.

00:43:48.880 I think it's a bit too draconian for my needs.

00:43:53.360 Yeah.

00:43:53.760 When I, when I first saw this clip, I was just really struggling to determine whether it was

00:43:58.960 an SNL skit or a legitimate police video, which I feel has too often become the case

00:44:06.560 in Canada these days.

00:44:07.760 And maybe especially in BC, it's just so many of the things we see guys.

00:44:11.440 It's just like, surely this is satire because this just can't be how the world is,

00:44:17.280 but it is how the world is.

00:44:19.280 And it was my pleasure to discuss this today with my colleagues from True North,

00:44:23.280 Waleed Tam Tam and Alex Zoltan.

00:44:24.720 I'm Isaac Lamoureux.

00:44:25.520 And remember everything you heard today was off the record.

00:44:32.800 Yeah.

00:44:33.040 Like I, like you said, Alex, I mean, 0.54

00:44:35.760 It's ridiculous.

00:44:36.960 Well, this rule, like I said, I've been crossing the street wrong. 0.83

00:44:41.280 Reminds me of a couple years ago, my grandma leaving my house.

00:44:45.760 Shoes wrong. 0.90

00:44:46.720 And I was like a grown adult.

00:44:48.160 And so I, again, I was like, oh, I've been tying my shoes wrong this whole time.

00:44:51.200 Although in that case, I think I was actually tying my shoes right.

00:44:54.160 And I guess in this case too, I think I've been crossing the street just fine.

00:44:57.920 Well, I'm a serial jaywalker.

00:44:59.600 I don't mind admitting that.

00:45:02.160 I jaywalk all the time, like really bad.

00:45:05.760 Cause I, I don't really drive very often either.

00:45:07.600 Cause I'm in the city.

00:45:08.800 So I have like very little empathy for the drivers, you know?

00:45:12.240 So I'm that like jaywalker everybody hates.

00:45:15.280 Um, I'm not going to change my behavior based on.

00:45:18.320 Now that, now that I think about a policeman,

00:45:20.240 it makes me want to jaywalk more.

00:45:22.240 A policeman did give me grief like 10, 15 years ago for jaywalking.

00:45:25.680 And I was downtown Edmonton, just getting off the subway.

00:45:28.000 And I just jaywalked and a cop was there.

00:45:30.240 And he's like, Hey man, you shouldn't do that.

00:45:31.600 I could give you a ticket, this and this.

00:45:32.960 He's citing all these tickets, not just jaywalking,

00:45:35.120 but obstructing traffic, blah, blah, blah.

00:45:36.720 And I'm like, ah, sorry, man.

00:45:37.600 I won't do that again.

00:45:39.520 We have Montreal places.

00:45:41.360 And Montreal is notorious for jaywalking.

00:45:44.000 And I just said, well,

00:45:44.880 I was distracted by all the beautiful buildings.

00:45:49.680 You're free to go.

00:45:50.320 I mean, Montreal is loaded with construction everywhere.

00:45:53.200 So frankly, sometimes you can't even cross on the crosswalk.

00:45:55.600 The crosswalk is, I mean, half occupied by, I mean, again,

00:45:59.280 every city has its culture.

00:46:01.040 I mean, if you're, if you're jaywalking on, on, you know, 0.91

00:46:03.200 high speed 80 kilometer per hour, you know, half rural,

00:46:06.480 half urban long road across the city.

00:46:08.640 Okay.

00:46:09.040 Yeah.

00:46:09.280 You definitely got to be careful.

00:46:10.720 Take yourself of your own ability to cross.

00:46:12.880 And of course, watch out for traffic.

00:46:15.280 But I mean, in this case, we're not talking about

00:46:18.080 actual jaywalking.

00:46:19.440 We're not talking about dealing with oncoming traffic.

00:46:21.520 We're talking about when you already have the right of way

00:46:24.160 and you got like a little bit of time left.

00:46:25.680 And it's just, I think the hesitation that people might actually,

00:46:29.760 if people actually follow this advice as per advertised,

00:46:33.040 I think people will find themselves reluctant to enter or not.

00:46:36.480 And I think it's potential danger possibly.

00:46:39.360 Cause if you're hesitating and you end up actually going in the end,

00:46:42.240 going two, three, four seconds later,

00:46:44.720 instead of heading on the gas pedal and perhaps, you know, you're,

00:46:49.120 I mean, you're in more likelihood to start all the drivers.

00:46:52.080 Again, remember everyone has their foot on the brake here

00:46:54.720 and everyone's going to relative the engine before,

00:46:57.440 before anything happens.

00:46:58.880 So I think, well, I think you hit the nail on the head

00:47:03.200 when you said, this is just tone deaf, right?

00:47:05.200 Like if we had a crisis of pedestrians being struck by vehicles,

00:47:10.240 right?

00:47:10.560 Maybe this public service announcement would make some sense.

00:47:13.840 But I'd say that this is pretty much the tip of the iceberg as far as

00:47:18.080 issues in Vancouver are concerned.

00:47:27.760 And now,

00:47:33.120 actually,

00:47:35.440 we were going to write a look at all our events tonight.

00:47:36.800 We don't have to necessarily articulate theRadide XA in motion.

00:47:38.080 Should I tell us,

00:47:38.380 this is going to like some technical things,

00:47:40.160 I mean,

00:47:40.680 today's going to work on the net.

00:47:41.520 It's good luck to the transfer.

00:47:42.240 We don't have to take treatment,

00:47:43.680 which would get the feedback of the fact that we've been doing.

00:47:44.720 But that's it because we're fine.

00:47:45.520 We don't have to turn it on our selbst.

00:47:46.480 But that's what we're doing.

00:47:46.960 can't do you to just keep listening inside we don't have to do anything.

Juno News - August 17, 2025

Vancouver police mocked for tone deaf cross walk video as crime soars

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