Juno News - February 28, 2025


Was the Ontario election a giant waste of time？


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00:00:00.000 I don't know if you guys have seen, but the Mark Carney gaffe where he said that he was helped advise Paul Martin to balance the budget back in the day.
00:00:11.280 And people kind of caught him out on that. It's turned into an entire political meme extravaganza all over X.
00:00:19.760 There's AI generated images of Mark Carney taking claim for massive historical events.
00:00:28.180 Mark Carney invented the wheel. He discovered insulin. Mark Carney advised Winston Churchill in the Battle of Britain.
00:00:37.420 It's pretty great. I don't know if you guys have seen it, but I would recommend people check it out because it's always wonderful when political serious matters kind of burst out into these creative arrays of memes and meme energy.
00:00:51.880 Yeah, sometimes we take politics a little too seriously, but one of my favorites is Mark Carney was looking for Epstein Island in 1492, but discover North America.
00:01:03.440 Pretty timely.
00:01:04.960 There's this funny one here I saw. In 2007, Mark Carney presented his new invention to the entire world, the iPhone, and he's dressed just like Steve Jobs.
00:01:13.380 He's like presenting the iPhone. It's like, I mean, you could go through, you just type Mark Carney on X and there's probably thousands of these images and each one funnier than the last.
00:01:23.080 I've been scrolling through them here just laughing because they are so funny.
00:01:27.640 And it's such a good break to the, I guess, seriousness of this election.
00:01:32.620 And it's always great to see this happen because on the one hand, they're so over the top, it's hard to get mad at them, right?
00:01:41.800 If Mark Carney were to actually get mad and take this too seriously, it's like, well, clearly it's just so ridiculous and hilarious.
00:01:51.560 But let's get right into it. We have a couple stories to talk about today.
00:01:56.720 Okay, so right off the bat, we had the Ontario election last night, which saw Ontario Premier, the newly reelected Premier Doug Ford, win a third consecutive majority government in Ontario.
00:02:19.200 Now, if I recall correctly, this is the first time that has happened in Ontario's political history, right, Noah?
00:02:27.160 Yep. I have a poster on my wall of all the premiers in Ontario.
00:02:31.480 And from about 1940 to 1980, Ontario was pretty much exclusively ran by the progressive Conservatives.
00:02:39.140 But even in their heyday, they didn't have the political success of winning three majorities back to back and doing it in such convincing fashion in the way that Doug Ford has.
00:02:50.020 So Doug Ford is definitely going to go down in the history books as one of the most politically successful politicians in Canada.
00:02:56.200 So it's certainly one of the more politically successful Ontario Premiers.
00:03:00.580 Whether you agree or not with his policies, he is quite successful.
00:03:05.120 But going into the numbers is really interesting because in the last election, the Ontario PCs in a legislature of 124 seats won 83 seats, a pretty dominant performance.
00:03:15.560 And Doug Ford called this election thinking he was going to gain more seats.
00:03:19.020 He had the goal of winning all the seats in the legislature and being premier forever.
00:03:23.600 Make that however you want to make that.
00:03:26.940 But, you know, the PCs, they gain in vote share from about 40 percent to 43 percent.
00:03:32.220 And their seat count actually went down from 83 to it's going to be about 80 or 81 after all the votes are completely tallied.
00:03:41.520 The New Democrats, they lost about five to six percent.
00:03:45.760 They reached an 18.6 percent margin and they won 27 seats, while the Liberals, they got to nearly 30 percent, 29.9 percent.
00:03:54.580 And they only won 14 seats, about half of what the New Democrats won.
00:03:59.720 So some pretty interesting political dynamics that are playing out in Toronto.
00:04:04.180 One, that the NDP's vote share in the seats that they do win is becoming more concentrated.
00:04:09.620 They're becoming more popular in the ridings that they do win and less popular in the ridings that they just don't win.
00:04:17.620 And the Liberals, they have increased their popularity generally, but they've increased their popularity in ridings in which the PCs are already popular and are already the most popular party.
00:04:29.120 So a lot of ridings are won by like 47 to 44 PC Liberal and the NDP get like five percent.
00:04:34.720 So this might show that, you know, the PCs are going to have a convincing, you know, four years and in 2029, the opposition party is going to have a hard time winning.
00:04:46.420 But this puts the Liberals in a position to where if the PCs decline in support and popularity and the Liberals increase in support of popularity,
00:04:55.500 the Liberals are in a prime position to take a lot of the PCs seats and actually put themselves in position to leapfrog the NDP, who are only popular in certain pockets of Ontario.
00:05:07.780 But some very interesting results.
00:05:10.420 We saw that Sarah Jama, the MPP in Hamilton Center, who was kicked out of the NDP for being too radical.
00:05:16.820 She was too pro-Hamas.
00:05:20.040 She's too ardent on, you know, a lot of Jewish civilians, unfortunately, being massacred on October 7th.
00:05:27.260 And she lost her seat.
00:05:29.540 She came fourth place in her riding, winning only a few thousand votes.
00:05:34.280 So I think that a lot of Ontarians, especially myself, are happy about that.
00:05:39.140 But overall, not a lot of change from yesterday to today.
00:05:44.560 It looks like the legislature is going to look very similar to what it looked like just a few months ago.
00:05:50.280 Now, before I jump to you, Isaac, we actually have a map of the election results.
00:05:55.760 And if you just look at the map, you can see the distribution.
00:05:59.300 With northern Ontario, it's pretty much gone to the NDP.
00:06:03.880 You do see some orange down in the GTA in southern Ontario.
00:06:08.120 But it looks like Doug Ford has a pretty good hold on the ridings that matter.
00:06:17.400 And you mentioned it was such a slight shift in the number of seats for the progressive conservatives.
00:06:25.120 He was building it up to be this major sweep.
00:06:28.500 But I don't think that really happened.
00:06:30.060 So, Isaac, I just wanted to ask you, how did Doug Ford frame this election in the first place when he called it?
00:06:38.440 To me, this thing just kind of went by so quickly.
00:06:41.120 It seemed like it happened overnight.
00:06:43.340 What was his reasoning behind it?
00:06:45.320 And how did he frame it to voters?
00:06:47.960 Yeah, well, we'll remember that Doug Ford said he wanted this election because he needed the mandate to deal with the Trump tariffs, essentially.
00:06:55.980 And now we're seeing the threat of Trump tariffs change on a daily basis.
00:07:01.540 So maybe Ford felt that it needed to be expedited in some fashion because, for all we know, the tariff threat could disappear tomorrow.
00:07:08.240 But one thing we didn't mention, of course, was the Ontario Liberal Party leader, Bonnie Crombie, losing her seat,
00:07:13.840 which reminds me sort of of the situation we've seen in Alberta over the last few months wherein NDP leader Nahid Nenshi kept smack-talking the government, essentially.
00:07:26.360 And they were saying this was a different scenario because he didn't lose his seat.
00:07:29.540 He was, of course, he just hadn't won a seat yet after he became party leader.
00:07:33.220 But they were saying, so you're not in the parliament, Nenshi.
00:07:36.960 How can you say anything?
00:07:38.520 Run a by-election.
00:07:39.940 Get a seat because you have no power, essentially, to tell us what to do.
00:07:43.980 And I'm curious because Crombie has said that she's going to stay on as party leader despite not having a seat in the parliament,
00:07:52.060 which really, I think, weakens the party's presence and her power as not only a leader but, yeah, as a leader.
00:07:59.920 So, I don't know.
00:08:01.340 What do you guys think about that?
00:08:02.760 How precedent is it for a leader to not win their riding, not have a seat in the legislature but stay on as the party leader?
00:08:11.600 Well, let's just throw to the clip of Crombie right now in her speech,
00:08:17.040 her speech accepting her electoral defeat and what she had to say to her Liberal Party supporters that evening.
00:08:25.640 Celebrate all our new MPPs that we're going to bring back.
00:08:28.860 And let's celebrate coming back to party status.
00:08:38.520 Ontario, I'm here.
00:08:41.760 I am with you.
00:08:43.760 And I commit to you today that I will stay on.
00:08:48.640 You like that?
00:09:03.140 All right, I'll tell you again.
00:09:16.140 Okay, I commit to you that I'll stay on as Ontario Liberal leader so that I can keep fighting for you.
00:09:23.900 Thank you, everyone.
00:09:25.200 Thank you.
00:09:26.960 Let's enjoy the night.
00:09:28.720 That was the big.
00:09:29.660 So, clearly, an emotional moment.
00:09:33.120 She does try to claim some sort of victory, bringing the party back from unofficial status to slightly above the required number of seats to have official party status.
00:09:44.000 And there seems to be a trend with provincial leaders kind of sticking it out after defeating or at least initially declaring.
00:09:53.160 Back in your court, Isaac, if you recall, Rachel Notley wanted to stick around initially after her electoral defeat.
00:10:03.700 Here in British Columbia, we saw this happened with the Green Party.
00:10:08.580 The Sonia first to know the Greens leader.
00:10:11.400 She lost her own seat in Victoria and stayed on as leader and remains leader to this day.
00:10:16.120 So, what do we make of Bonnie Crombie's attempt here?
00:10:21.420 Will she actually stick by her word to remain as party leader?
00:10:26.200 Losing her own seat in Mississauga, a place where she used to be the mayor of that area.
00:10:34.120 And it makes me wonder, right, like, how many alternatives do the Liberals really have?
00:10:39.940 Yeah, I would say that it would be interesting to see because there's a few things playing for and against Crombie.
00:10:48.740 For one, she increased the Liberals' popular vote share by 6%.
00:10:54.300 That is not nothing.
00:10:56.920 And she can make the argument that, you know, she was put into a snap election just, you know, a year after she became leader.
00:11:04.140 She didn't have enough time to introduce herself to the Ontario public.
00:11:08.380 She brought the party from not having official party status to having official party status.
00:11:14.260 And she could, you know, get one of the MPPs to resign and win a by-election.
00:11:21.140 However, I would say that some of the 14 MPPs might be saying, hey, you know, I'm actually in the legislature.
00:11:27.540 I might do a better job as the OLP leader than Bonnie Crombie.
00:11:32.440 And for someone to not win their seat is definitely damaging, especially when they were the mayor of Mississauga and you can't win a seat in Mississauga.
00:11:40.700 It looks like she ran in the wrong riding.
00:11:42.520 She ran in Mississauga East Cooksville that the Liberals lost by 3.4%.
00:11:46.980 And the Liberals lost Mississauga Erin Mills by 20 votes, which is 0.1%.
00:11:52.520 So if she won, she ran in Erin Mills, she could have gotten a leader bump that many leaders see and won that riding.
00:12:01.280 But she didn't.
00:12:02.600 But I think that Crombie is going to have to fight to retain the leadership, but she definitely can.
00:12:09.080 And you see that left-wing parties are a little bit more loyal to their leaders.
00:12:13.080 You see this, especially with the NDP, where Jagmeet Singh and Rachel Notley get, you know, multiple kicks at the can to run, whereas, you know, conservative leaders, you could be the premier and get deposed.
00:12:24.600 So it really will – it really remains to be seen what will happen with Crombie.
00:12:30.160 But I expect her to have some success in maintaining her position as leader.
00:12:34.520 Yeah, Crombie should have taken – sorry, I'll just say something quick, Cosmin.
00:12:38.900 I think Crombie should have taken some advice or some – yeah, some advice from Nenshi because, obviously, he's the former Calgary mayor.
00:12:47.940 And some would argue he's not very well-liked there, so he is not running in Calgary.
00:12:52.300 He's instead running in Rachel Notley's former seat, an NDP stronghold in Edmonton, where it's almost a guarantee that he literally can't lose.
00:13:02.160 So, I mean, Crombie could have done something similar because, as we mentioned, I mean, losing her riding.
00:13:08.240 She's talking about – I just found her speech there ironic.
00:13:10.820 She's talking about fighting for the party.
00:13:12.080 It's like, you're not in the legislature.
00:13:13.640 You literally can't do what you're saying.
00:13:16.800 Now, just to bring this back to Doug Ford and his future as premier of Ontario,
00:13:23.320 obviously, the big issue on the table is the incoming tariffs, which are scheduled to happen next week,
00:13:33.040 if we are to take what Trump is currently saying to heart.
00:13:36.920 And Doug Ford, there's been talk about him potentially being unleashed, in a sense, in this third consecutive majority government.
00:13:48.220 Will Doug Ford shy away from some of his reluctance to address things like some of the culture war stuff,
00:13:56.360 some of the education issues?
00:13:58.500 Because when I used to live in Ontario, that was what he ran on.
00:14:02.100 He ran on reforming the sex ed curriculum, an issue he eventually dropped, and he made some changes,
00:14:09.820 but not the changes he initially promised to the people who got him elected.
00:14:13.880 Will this new majority mandate, you know, he talks about the mandate a lot,
00:14:21.620 will this unleash Doug Ford, so to speak, make him more willing to take further steps,
00:14:30.960 more conservative steps, let's just say, because he's played a very centrist role for a while?
00:14:37.300 Well, a lot of the conservatives I know in Ontario, they're definitely hoping for that.
00:14:41.280 Doug Ford I find very fascinating, because one day he'll get up on the microphone and off the cuff,
00:14:48.600 say like, oh, safe injection sites are awful, or he would denounce wokeness in a speech,
00:14:55.700 or he would say something about left-wing extremism or whatever.
00:15:01.700 You know, but he only says that every now and then, and it's not reflected in his governmental policy.
00:15:06.720 You see the Ministry of Education becoming, you know, a cesspool of woke.
00:15:11.820 You see, you know, the Ministry of Finance not doing anything to, you know,
00:15:16.880 clamp down on the excessive spending that the Ontario government has made routine.
00:15:21.860 So I think that a lot of, not just social conservatives, but fiscal conservatives want to see Doug Ford clamp down on this.
00:15:28.620 And there are some indications that he might.
00:15:30.620 In his victory speech, he said that he would be shutting down safe injection sites,
00:15:34.640 which is a big win for Ontario that would put Ontario in the same camp as Alberta
00:15:41.360 in rejecting the progressive approach to getting people off of drugs.
00:15:48.780 And he might actually make some moves on the education files,
00:15:53.020 since Stephen Lecce is no longer the Minister of Education.
00:15:56.540 We now have Jill Dunlop as the Minister of Education,
00:15:59.480 who, quite frankly, I'm not, you know, very excited about.
00:16:02.260 But there could be an attempt to push on the things that he felt he didn't have the political capital to push on.
00:16:10.080 Even if he did have the political capital and he just didn't decide to use it,
00:16:13.000 he might feel that he now has that opportunity in a third mandate,
00:16:16.540 where, you know, he's been the premier for a very long time,
00:16:19.060 and maybe he feels that he's earned the trust of Ontarians to push on something like this.
00:16:23.820 But we'll see, because Doug Ford is notorious for flip-flopping,
00:16:27.380 like he flip-flopped on the green belt and, you know, flip-flopped on housing poles.
00:16:30.940 It's his thing.
00:16:32.960 Now, to be premier during these tariffs, to me, is a sort of unenviable position to be in,
00:16:42.040 because we could see the Canadian economy enter into a recession.
00:16:46.820 Most likely it will, because of the damage that's done.
00:16:49.680 He's going to have to spend a ridiculous amount of money.
00:16:53.420 He's promised pandemic-style measures.
00:16:55.580 I don't know how popular that will be for the average voter when they see the price tag
00:17:01.180 and the way that that's managed and administered to businesses.
00:17:05.180 You know, there was all the abuses going on with CERB and et cetera.
00:17:08.220 So it is a quite unpredictable situation,
00:17:13.380 and it could, depending on how he handles the economy and the Ontario economy,
00:17:18.280 an economy that relies a lot on manufacturing the auto sector,
00:17:22.580 major areas that U.S. President Donald Trump has pledged to specifically target.
00:17:28.380 Those are the things he wants to reshore in the U.S. market.
00:17:33.120 He wants to build cars in the United States.
00:17:35.180 He wants to manufacture steel in the United States.
00:17:38.420 All of these things are integral to the Ontario economy.
00:17:41.600 And should it not go the way that Doug Ford is hoping,
00:17:48.080 could this be the end of his legacy in a sense?
00:17:51.380 Could he be ending on a bad note?
00:17:53.200 Because we've seen premiers on the East Coast in the Atlantic provinces completely back out.
00:17:59.140 And I think part of the reasoning behind that is because they're looking at the next few years
00:18:04.540 under Donald Trump and what it might do to their provinces,
00:18:08.460 and they simply don't want anything to do with it.
00:18:13.420 Yeah, I would think that the Ford legacy definitely has the potential to be tarnished.
00:18:17.500 He's not a beloved figure to begin with in Ontario.
00:18:21.520 I'd say the median Ontarian has a neutral opinion on Ford.
00:18:27.400 He does some good things. He does some bad things.
00:18:29.600 I talked to my parents, and I consider them to be the median voter.
00:18:32.160 And, you know, they're kind of like lukewarm to slightly warm on Doug Ford, depending on the day.
00:18:39.080 You know, so that's just who Doug Ford is.
00:18:41.880 He has that folksy charm.
00:18:43.620 But that sort of what makes him popular could work against them.
00:18:47.120 And you've seen this with Trudeau.
00:18:48.200 What made Trudeau initially very popular is, you know, his progressiveness
00:18:52.640 and, you know, the sort of, you know, aloof approach to politics.
00:18:57.300 But that really graded on people once he was in office for nine years and, you know, disaster ran amok.
00:19:04.460 You similarly saw this with Stephen Harper.
00:19:06.800 He was, you know, a boring, calm, cooled, and calculated guy.
00:19:10.980 And a lot of people were appealed by that in 2006, 2008, 2011.
00:19:15.760 But by 2015, people got sick of it.
00:19:18.460 So that could definitely happen with premiers.
00:19:21.140 But I think Doug Ford will always live in the minds of some Ontarians as a good premier because of, yeah, just his disposition.
00:19:31.120 They think of Doug Ford as someone who is broadly competent.
00:19:35.960 And also, a lot of people admire his role in the COVID-19 pandemic.
00:19:39.920 I did not.
00:19:40.600 I thought the way Ontario managed a pandemic was awful.
00:19:43.440 But a lot of Ontarians disagree with me.
00:19:46.540 And that is just how, you know, people are going to remember Ford as a competent manager of the Ontario government,
00:19:53.960 even if that is a dubious assertion.
00:19:59.180 Well, thanks, Noah, for the Ontarians' perspective.
00:20:03.120 Just to move this, we saw this week in the – well, the nation was shocked to discover there were two stabbings involving children.
00:20:12.860 From essentially one side of the country to another.
00:20:16.900 One of these stabbings happened in Alberta, Grand Prairie.
00:20:20.220 And the other stabbing happened in Halifax.
00:20:23.100 But, yeah, so the Grand Prairie stabbing, this is a developing story.
00:20:28.380 And there's been some troubling twists and turns.
00:20:30.720 Because initially, the individual, the suspect involved is believed to know the children.
00:20:37.120 There was some sort of incident, whether it was a mental health crisis.
00:20:41.240 It's very unclear.
00:20:43.460 But he ended up slashing these two children, including the esophagus of one child.
00:20:51.840 Luckily, these children were treated.
00:20:54.640 They are currently in the hospital.
00:20:56.300 One of them was released.
00:20:58.200 But one is still in the hospital being treated for their wounds.
00:21:02.040 They are expected to make it out okay.
00:21:04.780 But after this happened, this individual was released from custody, allowed to go back home by the RCMP, and charges were only pressed later this week.
00:21:17.680 How could this happen when we have somebody committing crimes against children, potentially endangering the lives of children, and they're only pressing aggravated assault charges several days later when the evidence is so clear that there was wrongdoing involved?
00:21:36.960 Yeah, this really just comes down to the catch-and-release bail policy.
00:21:43.520 We've covered so, so much at True North Cosmin.
00:21:45.940 I mean, there's literally countless organizations, police organizations, unions, governments, saying there is nothing we can do.
00:21:54.080 These people just get released on bail the same day they commit the crime.
00:21:59.000 And we've seen Paul Yefra talk about it.
00:22:01.120 He's saying, I don't have the data, but it's like such a small percentage of individuals are committing the vast majority of the crimes because they're committing crimes over and over and over and over again.
00:22:13.760 Like, we covered that one Hungarian man at True North.
00:22:17.600 What did he have, like 400 charges?
00:22:19.500 I mean, these people, you're just committing crimes on an almost daily basis, which sounds ridiculous, but literally, you commit the crime, you get locked up, I guess, for a day, and then you're released on the very next day, and you're going to go commit more crimes, which obviously isn't good for the safety of Canadian citizens.
00:22:36.960 But nor is it good for the offenders, because we know that going to jail, you have a chance to rehabilitate your life, to become someone, and maybe not be a criminal in the future.
00:22:47.580 Whereas this, what is it called?
00:22:49.940 Ah, yes, revolving door, this recycling of criminals.
00:22:54.660 I mean, I don't, revolving door justice.
00:22:57.020 I don't understand how that's good for anybody at all.
00:23:01.440 Yeah.
00:23:02.040 Yeah.
00:23:02.240 I will just point out, Isaac, before we carry on, that this individual was not let out on bail.
00:23:10.540 The bail issue is a huge problem.
00:23:12.760 There are so many repeat offenders who were let out on bail, but they did have a prior incident.
00:23:19.040 Now, it's not clear what the prior incident was.
00:23:22.220 There was talk in the media about the family seeking, I think it was called a Form 10,
00:23:28.320 which is a sort of mental health intervention in this individual's case.
00:23:33.280 But to me, this looks like a failure on the policing side, just as much as the government justice system side.
00:23:43.200 Because the police, the RCMP, who were the first to respond to this incident,
00:23:48.900 I'm assuming they entered the building or the residence, this took place and saw that there were injured children.
00:23:56.420 And this individual involved, the only person there, presumably the main suspect, and they decided to release him.
00:24:07.620 So how much can we truly blame government policies?
00:24:13.360 Because in this particular instance, it is beyond government policies as well.
00:24:18.980 But also the police seems to have forgotten what its duty is, and that is to protect the public.
00:24:25.040 They declare that this person is not a threat to the public.
00:24:28.280 Well, how do you know that this couldn't happen again if it is a lapse of mental health in a particular moment?
00:24:36.260 They could have another break.
00:24:38.060 It's unpredictable.
00:24:39.100 That is the nature of mental health crises.
00:24:41.880 We can't predict them.
00:24:43.240 And when they do happen, the consequences can be dire.
00:24:47.980 Yeah, I think this story really points to a fundamental rot in the justice system.
00:24:53.700 One of the key purposes of even having a government is to protect the people.
00:24:59.360 It's to protect the domestic population, and specifically to protect the most vulnerable,
00:25:03.560 the women and children and those who are disabled.
00:25:07.540 The fact that we as Canadians have not been able to construct a justice system
00:25:13.300 in which the people who do the most sickening crimes to children are locked away
00:25:18.620 and kept away from society and are unable to pose a threat to society,
00:25:25.520 the fact that we're unable to do that, and we are instead over-prosecuting people like Tamara Lich
00:25:30.480 and protesters for supposed extremism, which are really just matters of free speech in a lot of cases
00:25:39.040 or just even minor property crimes.
00:25:42.240 These people are getting the book thrown at them, not the people who are stabbing children.
00:25:46.040 And that is absolutely sick.
00:25:48.920 It looks as if this person had to be released because the police were not able to press charges quickly enough.
00:25:55.760 You know, the principle of habeas corpus is very important,
00:25:59.780 the idea that you're not able to be unlawfully detained.
00:26:03.620 However, there is clear reason for detainment,
00:26:08.040 and you have to press charges immediately in order to keep the public safe.
00:26:12.780 The fact that the RCMP were not able to collect evidence enough,
00:26:15.860 so this person had to presumably be released for that reason,
00:26:19.540 it's absolutely abhorrent, and it is a dereliction of the RCMP's duty.
00:26:25.000 And this has become a trend.
00:26:26.980 We have been seeing this all over the country,
00:26:29.700 where people who have been accused of, you know,
00:26:32.860 killing people or trying to kill people are being released on a constant basis.
00:26:38.780 People who are committing property crimes, people who are just, you know,
00:26:43.840 the lowest of the low in society, which, you know,
00:26:46.960 society does produce these people every now and then because we live in a country with millions of people.
00:26:52.280 The fact that we're not able to deal with these people adequately
00:26:54.820 shows a fundamental problem with the system.
00:26:57.420 It's a problem that governments have created,
00:26:59.320 and it's also a problem that the courts have created
00:27:01.500 because, you know, the Supreme Court, they love to strike down mandatory minimum laws.
00:27:06.040 They love to expand the definition of cruel and unusual punishment.
00:27:10.560 They love to expand the definition of Section 7's guarantee to life, liberty,
00:27:14.800 and not the pursuit of happiness, but our version.
00:27:18.600 Well, I forget the third part.
00:27:19.980 But the point is that the courts, governments have worked together
00:27:23.200 to produce the state that we are living in, in Canada,
00:27:27.220 which is a state in which violent criminals are excused,
00:27:31.860 and those who are, you know, political criminals,
00:27:35.480 they get the book thrown at them.
00:27:37.220 It is not an appropriate state of affairs,
00:27:41.000 and this is something that I think Canadians have not been urging
00:27:46.420 and pressing our public officials to take steps to correct,
00:27:50.320 and it is something that needs to be changed
00:27:52.140 because if children are not being able to be protected,
00:27:55.440 if children are being stabbed,
00:27:57.220 it just shows a fundamental rot and corruption in our justice system.
00:28:02.860 It's very troubling indeed.
00:28:04.880 It almost feels like Canadians are left to fend for themselves.
00:28:09.120 It's not uncommon these days to be out on the streets harassed,
00:28:13.260 verbally assaulted, and even threatened in major cities.
00:28:18.200 It happened to me the other day.
00:28:20.080 You have people, you just walk out of the grocery store,
00:28:22.540 and there's somebody yelling at you,
00:28:24.120 having a meltdown for no apparent reason
00:28:26.460 other than you being the first person they see.
00:28:29.360 It's outrageous that this is being allowed to happen,
00:28:32.800 and it's very unfortunate, extremely sad,
00:28:36.280 that children are being caught up in this.
00:28:39.420 And when we look at Halifax, which happened just earlier this week,
00:28:43.120 I think it happened on Monday, if not over the weekend,
00:28:46.420 a child with his family.
00:28:49.100 I believe he was a nine-year-old boy,
00:28:51.500 somewhere around that age, perhaps six or nine years old.
00:28:55.100 This little boy was randomly assaulted by an individual with a knife.
00:29:02.380 And this assault was so bad that it was a life-threatening situation.
00:29:06.480 Now, as far as I know, thankfully, by the grace of God,
00:29:11.020 this child is still alive, and I hope he is on the mend.
00:29:16.300 And from what the police are saying,
00:29:18.900 this family was just waiting at a bus stop,
00:29:21.620 an average afternoon or morning,
00:29:24.420 going about their day,
00:29:26.000 and somebody lunged at this vulnerable child with a knife.
00:29:30.860 And we learn, the public learns later,
00:29:34.340 that they were involved in a prior incident.
00:29:38.560 And there's also reports that the family
00:29:41.140 was notifying authorities,
00:29:44.780 mental health authorities, about this individual
00:29:47.080 because they had a history of mental health incidents,
00:29:51.240 and they were worried that something like this would happen.
00:29:56.660 The worst possible case scenario ends up happening.
00:29:59.800 Nine times out of ten,
00:30:00.960 this is what happens when somebody is left untreated,
00:30:03.900 they have violent tendencies,
00:30:05.960 and they're left out in the public
00:30:08.280 to engage in whatever behavior they want.
00:30:11.420 How, if this doesn't wake up people to demand change,
00:30:17.900 you know, two near,
00:30:19.660 well, one near-death experience for a child,
00:30:22.400 and another assault,
00:30:24.820 potentially maiming these two other children
00:30:27.620 for the rest of their lives.
00:30:29.140 What is it going to take for Canadians to wake up
00:30:31.500 and demand an end?
00:30:33.520 It's easy to put people behind bars
00:30:36.880 when we know them to be a threat to public safety,
00:30:40.120 and it just takes the political will to do it.
00:30:43.300 What is it going to take, Noah or Isaac?
00:30:46.180 I hope it doesn't take a disaster.
00:30:49.460 But a lot of the time,
00:30:50.940 people need to be punched in the face
00:30:53.240 to realize that there is an actual problem.
00:30:57.000 I am not hoping for a disaster, not at all.
00:31:00.180 But I think that a lot of people,
00:31:02.540 they're not resonating with this
00:31:04.420 because they feel as if,
00:31:06.940 oh, this is not going to happen to me or whatever.
00:31:09.340 But I think as crime affects more and more people,
00:31:11.960 more and more people hear stories of,
00:31:13.740 oh, my car was stolen,
00:31:15.240 or I was harassed by someone who was on drugs,
00:31:19.020 then people are going to start to wake up to this.
00:31:23.220 But this takes strong will from our political leaders,
00:31:28.660 especially will to stand up to our courts
00:31:31.200 because when criminals are brought before judges,
00:31:34.920 judges are issuing gladiator reports
00:31:37.520 to say indigenous offenders
00:31:38.840 and allowing them to go off with reduced sentences.
00:31:44.160 Now the federal government,
00:31:45.920 they want to expand the use of something called
00:31:47.700 impact of race and culture assessments,
00:31:50.300 which basically says that,
00:31:51.700 hey, if you're black and you committed a crime,
00:31:54.480 you know, we have to take into consideration,
00:31:56.400 you know, the systemic racism
00:31:57.600 that you've dealt with all your life
00:31:59.260 and, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:32:00.900 And they issue you a reduced sentence
00:32:02.920 or, you know, not,
00:32:03.980 or just no penalty at all.
00:32:05.960 So the direction that the government is going
00:32:08.480 has to change.
00:32:09.680 And that requires a significant public reaction
00:32:13.140 to what is going on.
00:32:14.680 We haven't seen this significant public reaction
00:32:16.600 as crime has increased 50% since 2014.
00:32:20.220 But I think that, you know,
00:32:23.660 as an election,
00:32:25.340 a federal election comes closer,
00:32:27.000 people are going to start thinking
00:32:28.160 about these things a bit more.
00:32:29.800 And I think that the Canadian people
00:32:32.100 have the opportunity to choose.
00:32:34.560 Isaac, any parallels to the Grand Prairie case?
00:32:37.920 And what are your thoughts
00:32:39.240 on the Alberta government's approach
00:32:41.540 to addiction, mental health,
00:32:44.320 and also public safety?
00:32:46.980 Yeah, a few things here.
00:32:48.280 Just tying it back to bail,
00:32:51.120 because we talked about
00:32:53.000 that a crisis might need to occur,
00:32:55.200 because that's what we saw happen
00:32:56.840 with the bail reform system
00:32:58.580 when all the provinces reached out to the feds.
00:33:01.220 This was following a murder
00:33:02.400 from someone who was out on bail.
00:33:04.760 Obviously, children being stabbed
00:33:06.820 is crisis enough to me.
00:33:08.180 Of course, it could have been worse
00:33:09.140 in the sense that they're still alive.
00:33:10.660 But it will, I guess,
00:33:12.660 really probably take something like that
00:33:14.600 as sad as it is,
00:33:15.820 because, I mean,
00:33:16.840 I always tell people,
00:33:17.860 you think it's not that bad?
00:33:19.460 Go walk through downtown.
00:33:20.820 I don't care where you live.
00:33:22.440 Go walk through downtown.
00:33:23.900 Like, get out of your house
00:33:24.880 and go walk through downtown
00:33:25.980 and tell me it isn't that bad.
00:33:27.560 Really, I don't care where you live.
00:33:29.100 It is.
00:33:30.400 You just need to walk outside
00:33:31.820 and realize the truth
00:33:32.860 is right in front of you.
00:33:33.660 It's not like this is some crazy opinion.
00:33:36.880 I mean, just,
00:33:37.480 you can see it in two seconds
00:33:39.160 if you just go walk through downtown,
00:33:40.360 how bad it is.
00:33:41.680 As for the Alberta government's approach,
00:33:43.540 obviously they've been leading the charge,
00:33:46.500 I want to say,
00:33:47.300 on the recovery aspect,
00:33:49.080 on the war on drugs.
00:33:51.060 We've obviously seen the opposite approach
00:33:53.320 in BC where you live, Cosmin.
00:33:54.740 But I really do think Alberta's been leading the charge
00:33:57.700 and some provinces are starting to follow suit
00:33:59.760 in importantly realizing
00:34:01.400 that safe supply is not helping anyone.
00:34:04.280 In fact, it's adding fuel to the flames
00:34:06.940 and that a recovery-based model
00:34:09.960 is likely better.
00:34:11.060 I don't know that it's the best possible option
00:34:14.020 because there are so many variables,
00:34:15.780 but certainly safe supply is the worst.
00:34:20.980 Yeah, we discussed the political future
00:34:24.300 and that being a determinant
00:34:25.900 of how this country ends up dealing
00:34:29.760 with the public safety crisis
00:34:31.820 and how a future government
00:34:33.160 will handle the situation,
00:34:35.200 whether there will be justice reform.
00:34:37.940 And speaking of political future,
00:34:40.420 we saw the English language debate
00:34:43.960 with the major contenders
00:34:46.360 for the Liberal Party of Canada,
00:34:48.700 the federal liberals.
00:34:50.520 And Mark Carney, the frontrunner,
00:34:53.700 had several gaffes
00:34:56.360 and we could see potentially
00:34:58.940 the first break in his resurgent,
00:35:02.660 in the liberals' resurgent popularity
00:35:05.140 should he become leader.
00:35:07.300 He made two mistakes
00:35:08.820 that have been really called out.
00:35:12.060 He said some questionable things
00:35:14.180 about his own past
00:35:15.320 and his own history dealings,
00:35:18.000 historical dealings.
00:35:19.560 The first one
00:35:20.980 and the one that the conservatives
00:35:23.380 really latched onto
00:35:24.540 was his claim that
00:35:26.700 he was not involved
00:35:29.360 in Brookfield,
00:35:30.840 that investment company
00:35:31.900 he was a part of
00:35:32.780 in the decision
00:35:34.580 to move the headquarters
00:35:36.620 and move the company
00:35:37.580 to New York from Canada.
00:35:41.100 Obviously, it would look bad
00:35:43.420 if he was in charge
00:35:45.400 of moving a company
00:35:46.540 to the United States
00:35:48.140 during a time
00:35:49.020 when the liberals
00:35:50.440 are loudly proclaiming themselves
00:35:54.560 to be part of Team Canada.
00:35:56.540 But it is true.
00:35:57.680 He was on the board.
00:35:58.720 He was involved.
00:36:00.120 He was still a member
00:36:02.260 when Brookfield made the decision
00:36:04.080 to move the company.
00:36:07.480 Let's throw up a video of this.
00:36:09.960 We have Michael Barrett,
00:36:11.520 Conservative MP,
00:36:13.180 discussing this claim,
00:36:15.520 and he made it openly
00:36:17.520 to a question
00:36:18.320 during the debate
00:36:19.620 hosted by CBC.
00:36:21.720 Good morning.
00:36:22.280 We're here today
00:36:24.140 because Mark Carney
00:36:26.560 needs to come out of hiding
00:36:29.260 and answer questions
00:36:31.120 for the lies
00:36:32.700 that he's told the Canadians.
00:36:33.960 I want to start by
00:36:34.700 reading you a quote
00:36:35.920 from the Toronto Star.
00:36:39.240 It says, and I quote,
00:36:41.280 The Star asked the Carney campaign
00:36:43.880 repeatedly
00:36:44.660 if he supported
00:36:46.020 the moving the headquarters
00:36:47.280 to New York
00:36:47.920 but did not receive
00:36:49.360 a response.
00:36:50.420 End quote.
00:36:50.780 Now, this wasn't a question
00:36:51.960 from Conservatives.
00:36:53.660 This came
00:36:54.260 from the Toronto Star.
00:36:57.580 And the answer is yes,
00:36:59.280 by the way.
00:37:00.900 Yes, he supported
00:37:01.760 the moving
00:37:02.180 of the Canadian headquarters
00:37:03.620 of Brookfield
00:37:04.860 to New York City,
00:37:07.460 to Donald Trump's hometown.
00:37:08.840 The real question
00:37:11.300 for sneaky Mark Carney
00:37:15.240 is if he thinks
00:37:17.080 that this was such
00:37:18.180 a good idea
00:37:19.740 and such a good business
00:37:21.300 decision for Brookfield,
00:37:22.900 does he think
00:37:23.560 that all Canadian companies
00:37:25.280 should move
00:37:26.340 their headquarters
00:37:26.980 from Canada
00:37:28.220 to New York City?
00:37:31.220 This isn't something
00:37:32.540 that can be dismissed
00:37:33.660 as confusion
00:37:37.880 or mindfulness
00:37:38.900 or forgetfulness
00:37:40.580 or something
00:37:42.920 that happened
00:37:43.280 a long time ago.
00:37:44.720 This was mere
00:37:46.680 months ago.
00:37:48.920 And the facts
00:37:50.000 are in black and white.
00:37:50.860 I have another quote
00:37:51.480 for you
00:37:51.920 from Mark Carney.
00:37:53.460 Quote,
00:37:53.840 The decision,
00:37:55.180 the formal decision
00:37:56.580 of the board
00:37:57.880 happened
00:37:58.820 after I ceased
00:38:00.200 to be
00:38:00.700 on the board.
00:38:01.720 End quote.
00:38:02.080 But here are the facts.
00:38:04.960 In October,
00:38:06.680 Mark Carney
00:38:07.360 sat at the head
00:38:09.360 of the board table
00:38:10.420 for Brookfield
00:38:11.300 Asset Management
00:38:12.160 with one hand
00:38:13.600 on the mahogany table,
00:38:14.840 the other hand
00:38:15.480 on the gavel,
00:38:16.680 brought the meeting
00:38:17.460 to order,
00:38:18.900 received a motion
00:38:20.180 to move
00:38:21.320 the Canadian headquarters
00:38:23.020 to New York City
00:38:26.240 out of Canada
00:38:27.100 taking Canadian jobs
00:38:28.580 with the move
00:38:30.240 and along
00:38:32.100 with his board
00:38:32.880 they unanimously
00:38:34.240 voted
00:38:36.620 for that motion.
00:38:39.140 Mark Carney
00:38:39.740 gaveled out
00:38:40.800 the meeting.
00:38:42.340 But that's not all
00:38:43.980 because
00:38:45.100 six days
00:38:46.800 after
00:38:47.460 U.S.
00:38:49.100 President Donald
00:38:49.760 Trump
00:38:50.140 first threatened
00:38:51.720 Canada
00:38:52.260 with unjustified
00:38:55.340 tariffs,
00:38:56.840 Mark Carney
00:38:57.420 personally
00:38:58.960 authored
00:38:59.700 and sent
00:39:00.580 a letter
00:39:01.040 to all
00:39:02.620 of the shareholders
00:39:03.740 advising them
00:39:05.540 of this
00:39:06.400 unanimous decision
00:39:07.740 that his board
00:39:09.280 had taken,
00:39:10.240 the board
00:39:10.520 that he was
00:39:10.980 chairing
00:39:11.340 had taken
00:39:11.820 to move
00:39:12.800 Canadian jobs
00:39:13.760 to the United States.
00:39:15.160 So the
00:39:16.120 inconsistencies
00:39:17.440 are glaring,
00:39:18.260 they're very obvious.
00:39:19.380 He's saying
00:39:19.900 one thing
00:39:20.520 during the debate
00:39:21.500 to make himself
00:39:22.480 look good
00:39:23.120 but the facts
00:39:24.080 are against him
00:39:24.980 and it's been
00:39:25.660 several days
00:39:26.580 Mark Carney
00:39:27.260 has not addressed
00:39:28.220 this.
00:39:29.500 How will this
00:39:30.460 hold up?
00:39:31.080 If he doesn't
00:39:31.620 address this issue,
00:39:33.300 the inconsistency
00:39:34.220 in what he said
00:39:35.980 and why he said
00:39:37.140 it during the debate,
00:39:39.360 will this be
00:39:40.180 a weak point,
00:39:40.900 a potential
00:39:41.500 attack point
00:39:42.380 for when
00:39:42.960 Mark Carney
00:39:43.920 has to square off
00:39:45.160 against Pierre Paulyev
00:39:46.520 in a federal
00:39:47.580 leader's debate?
00:39:49.580 Yeah, Cosmin,
00:39:50.180 I just want to say
00:39:51.040 for those who don't know,
00:39:52.400 of course,
00:39:52.880 the French debate
00:39:53.700 was the day
00:39:54.340 before the English debate
00:39:55.420 and Carney
00:39:56.300 did terribly
00:39:58.380 in both debates.
00:39:59.180 For example,
00:39:59.680 in the French debate,
00:40:00.580 he said
00:40:01.080 that he agreed
00:40:02.540 with Hamas.
00:40:03.960 Now,
00:40:04.380 we know that
00:40:05.080 we know that
00:40:07.940 Carney's French
00:40:08.560 is quite abysmal
00:40:10.620 so that is
00:40:11.920 a whole other story
00:40:12.700 on its own
00:40:13.180 because obviously
00:40:14.080 Paulyev has a mastery
00:40:15.300 of the language
00:40:16.020 and the way
00:40:17.600 that Quebec votes
00:40:18.360 has such a significant
00:40:19.400 impact on what happens
00:40:20.780 in the federal election.
00:40:21.920 To be weak at French,
00:40:23.040 I think,
00:40:23.520 just puts you
00:40:24.940 in an untenable position
00:40:25.980 as a federal candidate.
00:40:27.160 I don't think
00:40:28.140 you can win
00:40:28.960 the federal election,
00:40:30.140 certainly not easily,
00:40:31.560 if you don't have mastery
00:40:32.600 of the French language
00:40:33.300 and Carney clearly does not.
00:40:35.260 But now we're seeing
00:40:35.980 in the English debates,
00:40:36.960 too,
00:40:37.280 that he is just lying,
00:40:39.100 easily provable,
00:40:40.040 that that was just a lie.
00:40:41.200 It's not true
00:40:41.920 by any definition
00:40:43.940 of the word truth.
00:40:46.280 But I still think
00:40:48.220 that,
00:40:49.160 as you mentioned,
00:40:49.860 Carney is the frontrunner
00:40:51.080 for the liberal leadership race
00:40:53.180 and I do think
00:40:54.060 he's a shoe
00:40:54.500 and I certainly think
00:40:56.240 he'll win.
00:40:57.220 So I don't know
00:40:58.540 that it'll affect him
00:40:59.360 much in that
00:41:00.260 because the liberals,
00:41:01.840 as we've seen,
00:41:02.340 haven't focused so much
00:41:03.300 on issues
00:41:04.780 concerning the country.
00:41:05.680 They've more so focused
00:41:06.440 on Paulyevre and Trump
00:41:07.560 and how they're going
00:41:08.160 to deal with that.
00:41:08.920 But when it comes
00:41:10.080 to the federal debate stage
00:41:11.220 against Paulyevre,
00:41:12.220 I mean,
00:41:13.260 I imagine he's just
00:41:14.260 in the back room
00:41:14.760 writing a list,
00:41:16.040 loading up his cannon
00:41:17.400 with ammunition
00:41:18.200 for things that he's going
00:41:19.300 to use against Carney.
00:41:20.840 You lied about this,
00:41:21.500 you lied about this,
00:41:22.080 you said this,
00:41:22.640 you said this
00:41:23.220 in your debates.
00:41:24.480 I mean,
00:41:24.860 I have so many points
00:41:26.100 against you now,
00:41:26.860 Paulyevre would,
00:41:27.920 that he's really just
00:41:29.240 giving him ammunition.
00:41:32.560 The inconsistencies
00:41:33.920 are really adding up.
00:41:35.560 You mentioned the French debate,
00:41:37.920 but also what he said
00:41:39.260 to a French audience
00:41:41.040 versus an English audience.
00:41:42.800 If we recall,
00:41:44.320 while speaking
00:41:45.060 to an English
00:41:46.540 Anglophone audience,
00:41:48.820 he said he would support pipelines,
00:41:51.440 he would support
00:41:51.960 an East to West pipeline.
00:41:53.260 And then while speaking
00:41:53.980 to a Francophone audience,
00:41:55.900 he said the exact opposite.
00:41:58.120 How can he expect
00:42:00.080 to continue,
00:42:01.380 carry on forward?
00:42:02.760 And I think part of this
00:42:04.580 has to do with
00:42:05.420 his inexperience
00:42:06.520 as a politician
00:42:07.400 because as a public servant,
00:42:10.340 you're not necessarily
00:42:11.180 held to account
00:42:12.240 on every single detail
00:42:14.220 of what you say.
00:42:15.900 And for somebody
00:42:16.500 who's coasted through life,
00:42:18.700 perhaps having a,
00:42:20.460 you know,
00:42:21.620 weak relationship
00:42:23.180 with telling the truth
00:42:24.540 all the time,
00:42:25.600 you know,
00:42:25.900 you could boast
00:42:26.700 in certain business scenarios
00:42:28.220 and bluff your way
00:42:29.360 to certain decisions
00:42:30.320 and make certain statements
00:42:34.540 for your own gain,
00:42:36.040 that doesn't fly
00:42:37.280 at the political level
00:42:39.620 because everybody's watching,
00:42:42.060 the audience
00:42:42.860 is the entirety of Canada.
00:42:45.160 But yet,
00:42:45.900 we see him
00:42:46.940 doing pretty well
00:42:48.980 in some polls.
00:42:50.340 He's brought back,
00:42:51.980 the liberals back
00:42:52.820 from the dead
00:42:53.500 to some degree.
00:42:54.420 And is this
00:42:56.540 a reason
00:42:57.280 or a cause
00:42:58.320 for concern
00:42:59.220 for the conservatives
00:43:00.360 moving forward,
00:43:02.460 Noah?
00:43:03.680 I think the polls
00:43:05.100 are concerning,
00:43:06.780 you know,
00:43:07.020 just from,
00:43:07.880 like,
00:43:08.720 just the shock value
00:43:10.220 of it
00:43:10.560 because we,
00:43:12.020 for a year and a half,
00:43:13.420 got very comfortable
00:43:14.300 with the conservatives
00:43:15.080 being in the lead.
00:43:16.620 I'm pretty sure
00:43:17.280 conservative strategists,
00:43:18.460 once they saw
00:43:19.000 the liberals
00:43:19.480 go from, like,
00:43:20.300 20% support
00:43:21.580 to, like,
00:43:23.160 over 35%.
00:43:24.420 You know,
00:43:24.720 I think an Ipsos poll
00:43:25.940 measured the liberals
00:43:27.560 support at, like,
00:43:28.320 38%,
00:43:29.020 the conservatives
00:43:29.520 at 36%.
00:43:30.840 The only firm
00:43:32.840 that really shows
00:43:33.800 the conservatives
00:43:34.300 still having a
00:43:35.380 decently sized lead
00:43:36.560 is Abacus.
00:43:38.000 So,
00:43:38.700 take that for what you will.
00:43:40.620 But,
00:43:41.460 it seems as if
00:43:43.200 the conservatives
00:43:43.940 are going to adapt
00:43:45.380 to this message
00:43:46.680 and it remains to be seen
00:43:47.680 just how adaptable
00:43:48.860 the Poliev team is
00:43:50.440 if they can
00:43:51.060 successfully adapt
00:43:52.120 their anti-carbon tax
00:43:54.100 message to a
00:43:55.600 pro-Canada,
00:43:57.660 not anti-Donald Trump,
00:43:59.300 but not too anti-Donald Trump,
00:44:00.540 but really anti-Carny,
00:44:02.040 anti-Trudeau message.
00:44:03.740 He has to balance
00:44:04.340 a lot of different things.
00:44:05.780 And,
00:44:05.920 I think it makes it
00:44:07.140 a lot more complicated
00:44:08.080 for Poliev,
00:44:08.880 but it makes it
00:44:10.120 less complicated
00:44:10.900 when you have
00:44:11.440 easy things
00:44:11.980 to attack Mark Carney on.
00:44:13.340 The fact that
00:44:13.860 Mark Carney
00:44:14.400 helped to move
00:44:15.720 Brookfield's headquarters
00:44:16.820 to New York.
00:44:17.840 The fact that
00:44:18.440 Mark Carney
00:44:19.020 lived outside of Canada
00:44:21.080 for a good chunk
00:44:22.140 of his adult life.
00:44:23.200 I think
00:44:23.520 it would be
00:44:24.640 pretty interesting
00:44:25.300 to see
00:44:25.740 just how long
00:44:26.880 Mark Carney
00:44:27.440 has spent
00:44:28.340 outside of Canada
00:44:29.800 in his adult life
00:44:30.620 and how that compares
00:44:31.340 to how long
00:44:31.800 he's spent in Canada.
00:44:33.300 I think that
00:44:34.080 Poliev is also
00:44:34.960 going to have
00:44:35.480 a good time
00:44:36.980 associating him
00:44:38.900 with Trudeau
00:44:39.380 because Carney
00:44:40.240 was an economic
00:44:41.620 advisor.
00:44:42.760 Plus,
00:44:43.300 Poliev is a lot
00:44:44.040 more competent
00:44:44.660 in French
00:44:45.280 and Carney's
00:44:46.280 lack of French
00:44:46.960 could cause
00:44:48.440 Quebec voters
00:44:49.200 to go away
00:44:51.440 from Carney.
00:44:51.940 Now,
00:44:52.280 I think it's
00:44:52.940 interesting that
00:44:53.700 polls show
00:44:54.300 that Carney
00:44:54.800 is doing
00:44:55.160 very well
00:44:55.640 in Quebec,
00:44:56.120 a lot better
00:44:56.860 than,
00:44:57.440 say,
00:44:57.600 Poliev
00:44:57.900 or Freeland
00:44:58.820 or any other
00:44:59.780 liberal contestants
00:45:00.840 and better
00:45:01.180 than Trudeau even.
00:45:03.040 And that's
00:45:03.720 quite interesting,
00:45:04.720 but I think
00:45:05.280 Quebec voters
00:45:06.200 more often than not
00:45:07.840 pay attention
00:45:08.260 to their provincial
00:45:08.900 politics primarily
00:45:09.840 and then federal
00:45:10.560 politics.
00:45:11.100 So once they get
00:45:11.660 acclimated to
00:45:12.540 paying attention
00:45:12.940 to federal politics
00:45:13.800 in a general
00:45:14.340 election and
00:45:15.180 they see
00:45:15.540 Mark Carney
00:45:16.160 at the French
00:45:17.480 debate stage
00:45:18.320 struggling and
00:45:19.420 saying,
00:45:20.260 je suis d'accord
00:45:21.000 avec Hamas,
00:45:22.140 I think that
00:45:23.820 Quebec voters
00:45:25.040 are going to
00:45:25.560 change their
00:45:25.900 mind,
00:45:26.540 switch their
00:45:26.940 votes back
00:45:27.620 to Yves-François
00:45:28.340 Blanchet
00:45:28.900 and to
00:45:30.020 Pierre Poliev.
00:45:31.380 So there's
00:45:32.540 a lot of
00:45:32.860 holes in
00:45:34.320 the Mark
00:45:35.020 Carney
00:45:35.380 campaign
00:45:35.920 that the
00:45:37.280 conservatives
00:45:37.740 can exploit.
00:45:38.900 It just
00:45:39.160 remains to be
00:45:39.740 seen whether
00:45:40.220 or not they
00:45:41.100 are adaptable
00:45:42.000 enough and
00:45:42.920 they are
00:45:43.200 capable of
00:45:44.480 making that
00:45:45.160 pivot.
00:45:46.400 This willingness
00:45:47.400 to embellish
00:45:48.720 and even
00:45:49.120 stretch the
00:45:50.240 truth,
00:45:51.620 make things
00:45:52.300 up,
00:45:52.700 as a matter
00:45:53.300 of fact,
00:45:53.840 seems to be
00:45:54.560 becoming a
00:45:55.160 habit for him.
00:45:56.400 And going
00:45:57.400 back to the
00:45:58.040 debate itself,
00:45:59.300 he also made
00:46:00.240 another claim.
00:46:01.180 He claimed
00:46:01.740 that he helped
00:46:02.800 Paul Martin
00:46:03.760 balance the
00:46:05.480 budget.
00:46:07.020 Now,
00:46:07.780 people have
00:46:08.380 pointed out
00:46:08.960 that at that
00:46:09.780 time when
00:46:10.840 Paul Martin
00:46:11.380 reported a
00:46:12.300 balanced budget,
00:46:13.440 Mark Carney
00:46:13.880 was working
00:46:14.560 for Goldman
00:46:15.260 Sachs,
00:46:16.040 the famous
00:46:16.900 investing company
00:46:18.280 in the United
00:46:19.180 States.
00:46:19.760 So let's
00:46:21.340 throw to that
00:46:21.940 clip because
00:46:22.700 it's just
00:46:23.340 another instance
00:46:24.220 where Mark
00:46:24.780 Carney says
00:46:26.060 things that
00:46:26.720 don't really
00:46:27.260 line up with
00:46:28.120 reality.
00:46:28.660 It was my
00:46:30.380 privilege to
00:46:31.040 work with
00:46:31.680 Paul Martin
00:46:32.340 when he
00:46:34.160 balanced the
00:46:34.800 books and
00:46:35.340 kept the
00:46:35.720 books balanced.
00:46:36.780 And one of
00:46:37.440 the lessons
00:46:37.900 of that is
00:46:39.100 the need for
00:46:39.720 government to
00:46:41.100 continue to
00:46:42.780 focus on how
00:46:43.780 effectively it is
00:46:45.560 spending precious
00:46:46.480 taxpayers'
00:46:47.240 dollars.
00:46:47.720 In other
00:46:48.080 words, a
00:46:48.740 focus on the
00:46:49.540 outcomes of
00:46:50.260 programs as
00:46:51.400 opposed to the
00:46:51.980 dollars going
00:46:52.540 in.
00:46:53.280 And one thing
00:46:53.840 you can see is
00:46:55.040 that the scale
00:46:55.720 of increase in
00:46:56.820 spending and the
00:46:58.020 scale of increase
00:46:58.820 in the public
00:46:59.240 service hasn't
00:47:00.780 been matched by
00:47:01.600 greater productivity.
00:47:02.820 So here's another
00:47:03.740 obvious case where
00:47:05.060 I just don't know
00:47:06.580 if Mark Carney
00:47:07.260 doesn't think
00:47:07.840 people have
00:47:08.240 access to the
00:47:09.040 internet, people
00:47:09.760 are not capable
00:47:10.660 of researching
00:47:11.920 things for
00:47:12.520 themselves or
00:47:13.220 putting two and
00:47:13.880 two together.
00:47:14.620 Here he says
00:47:15.420 something that
00:47:16.120 is proven
00:47:17.200 false, very
00:47:19.920 easy to find
00:47:20.840 out what he was
00:47:21.500 doing at that
00:47:22.100 time.
00:47:22.540 He's got a
00:47:23.040 record as a
00:47:23.860 public figure.
00:47:24.600 He's got a
00:47:25.000 Wikipedia page for
00:47:26.060 crying out loud.
00:47:27.140 People know
00:47:27.760 what Mark Carney
00:47:28.620 has been up
00:47:29.460 to.
00:47:29.700 So what is he
00:47:30.140 trying to sell
00:47:30.920 here?
00:47:31.640 Is it just a
00:47:32.420 matter of
00:47:32.820 presenting himself
00:47:33.500 as this guy
00:47:34.260 who has
00:47:34.600 experience balancing
00:47:35.760 the books?
00:47:36.900 Why not just
00:47:37.560 stick to your
00:47:38.400 past as an
00:47:39.380 economist and
00:47:40.460 governors of
00:47:42.600 the global
00:47:43.340 banks like the
00:47:44.080 Bank of
00:47:44.440 England and
00:47:45.040 the Bank of
00:47:46.460 Canada?
00:47:47.300 Why embellish
00:47:48.340 and make things
00:47:49.620 up to this
00:47:50.580 extent?
00:47:51.960 Yeah, I guess
00:47:52.360 being the
00:47:52.980 governor of the
00:47:53.480 Bank of
00:47:53.800 Canada, Bank
00:47:54.320 of England
00:47:54.680 wasn't enough.
00:47:55.820 He had to
00:47:56.720 Harper had to
00:47:58.880 ask him to
00:47:59.340 be finance
00:47:59.920 minister and
00:48:00.680 he had to
00:48:01.360 work with
00:48:02.020 Paul Martin
00:48:02.560 to balance
00:48:03.220 the budget.
00:48:04.860 I think he
00:48:06.080 said when
00:48:06.920 Paul Martin
00:48:07.320 was prime
00:48:07.980 minister, but
00:48:08.380 that would not
00:48:08.980 be true, I
00:48:09.420 don't think.
00:48:09.820 That was under
00:48:10.260 Khrushin.
00:48:11.140 But next he's
00:48:12.720 going to say
00:48:13.060 that he helped
00:48:13.700 Mulrooney
00:48:14.320 introduce the
00:48:17.060 HST and he's
00:48:18.040 going to say
00:48:18.700 he helped
00:48:19.160 Pierre Elliott
00:48:19.680 Trudeau.
00:48:20.260 maybe he was
00:48:23.220 around during
00:48:23.680 the time of
00:48:24.280 McDonald.
00:48:24.820 Who knows?
00:48:25.960 But it's
00:48:26.600 interesting that
00:48:27.240 Carney's reputation
00:48:28.580 is being linked
00:48:29.200 with being a
00:48:29.720 liar.
00:48:30.440 We talked
00:48:31.000 about the
00:48:31.320 meme before
00:48:32.480 the show was
00:48:33.260 running.
00:48:34.240 The meme is
00:48:35.660 funny, obviously,
00:48:37.240 but it just
00:48:38.260 goes to show
00:48:38.880 that Mark
00:48:39.660 Carney's reputation
00:48:40.720 is being linked
00:48:41.640 with lying.
00:48:43.100 Memes are
00:48:43.800 just demonstrative
00:48:46.420 of how the
00:48:48.140 public views
00:48:49.180 a candidate.
00:48:51.300 So I think
00:48:52.000 that him
00:48:53.580 lying so much
00:48:54.760 is going to
00:48:55.340 work against
00:48:55.980 Mark Carney.
00:48:56.880 There's going
00:48:57.100 to be questions
00:48:58.020 about his
00:48:58.560 honesty, his
00:48:59.260 honesty about
00:49:01.220 working with
00:49:02.320 Paul Martin and
00:49:03.580 about moving
00:49:04.360 the headquarters
00:49:05.360 to New York
00:49:06.160 of Brookfield and
00:49:07.900 some of the
00:49:08.520 other things that
00:49:09.220 he claims.
00:49:10.660 And even if he
00:49:11.220 says some things
00:49:11.800 that are true,
00:49:12.320 because he has
00:49:12.760 the reputation
00:49:13.200 of a liar,
00:49:14.040 people are not
00:49:14.660 going to take
00:49:15.700 him seriously.
00:49:16.220 He's like the
00:49:16.600 boy who cried
00:49:17.220 wolf.
00:49:18.020 So that will
00:49:19.680 certainly add
00:49:20.340 an interesting
00:49:20.800 dynamic.
00:49:23.200 Isaac, why the
00:49:23.800 silence from
00:49:24.880 Mark Carney?
00:49:25.700 Will he address
00:49:26.640 this?
00:49:27.020 Do you expect
00:49:27.540 him to come
00:49:28.040 out and say,
00:49:28.980 well, I might
00:49:30.060 have messed
00:49:30.720 up the facts
00:49:31.820 in the meantime,
00:49:33.840 but take
00:49:34.420 responsibility?
00:49:35.800 Is that the
00:49:36.620 type of man
00:49:37.240 Mark Carney is?
00:49:38.860 You know,
00:49:39.120 Cosman, if this
00:49:39.720 were a one-off
00:49:40.440 that we were
00:49:41.220 talking about,
00:49:41.740 I think that
00:49:42.120 would be a
00:49:42.620 possibility, but
00:49:43.440 this is clearly
00:49:44.120 a pattern we're
00:49:44.900 seeing develop
00:49:45.520 from Mark Carney
00:49:46.120 and I don't
00:49:46.680 know why
00:49:47.840 it is, but
00:49:48.460 it may just
00:49:49.000 be that he
00:49:49.660 really thinks
00:49:50.320 he can say
00:49:51.240 whatever he
00:49:51.720 wants and
00:49:52.220 get away
00:49:52.700 with it.
00:49:53.100 I mean,
00:49:53.300 these are
00:49:53.600 clearly
00:49:54.000 demonstrably
00:49:54.920 false, what
00:49:55.600 he's saying.
00:49:56.660 And to
00:49:57.600 be running
00:49:58.660 to be the
00:49:59.520 leader, of
00:49:59.880 course, he'll
00:50:00.280 be, if he
00:50:02.040 wins the
00:50:02.280 leadership
00:50:02.500 election of
00:50:03.180 the liberals,
00:50:03.620 he will just
00:50:04.080 become the
00:50:04.460 prime minister,
00:50:05.000 but assuming
00:50:05.580 he does
00:50:06.320 participate in
00:50:06.960 the election
00:50:07.280 following that,
00:50:08.000 to be running
00:50:08.460 to be the
00:50:08.880 leader of a
00:50:09.780 country and
00:50:10.560 your reputation
00:50:11.840 is known as
00:50:12.960 a liar, I
00:50:13.640 mean, it
00:50:14.440 can't be a
00:50:14.920 good look.
00:50:16.240 I don't know
00:50:16.820 why anyone
00:50:17.640 would take
00:50:18.780 that route
00:50:19.340 willingly.
00:50:21.500 People already
00:50:22.340 have a, I
00:50:23.140 would say,
00:50:23.520 natural distrust
00:50:24.540 of politicians,
00:50:25.220 so if you're on
00:50:26.320 top of that,
00:50:26.980 known as just a
00:50:28.360 blatant liar, a
00:50:29.720 continuous liar,
00:50:30.620 it can't be good
00:50:31.580 for you.
00:50:31.920 And I will
00:50:35.220 add another
00:50:36.300 observation, for
00:50:37.380 a while, the
00:50:38.300 legacy media, I
00:50:39.840 guess throughout
00:50:40.740 this whole thing,
00:50:41.480 the legacy media
00:50:42.240 has been so
00:50:42.860 soft on Mark
00:50:43.700 Carney, they've
00:50:44.460 never asked him
00:50:45.300 a single hard
00:50:46.520 question, but I
00:50:47.220 have noticed
00:50:47.960 with this
00:50:48.600 particular instance,
00:50:50.900 there is a
00:50:52.320 little bit of
00:50:52.840 a shift, and
00:50:54.160 we have to
00:50:54.780 understand in
00:50:56.080 the bigger
00:50:56.420 picture, the
00:50:57.080 media's future,
00:50:58.300 the legacy
00:50:58.800 media, particularly
00:50:59.880 the CBC's, is
00:51:01.540 intertwined with
00:51:03.420 the future
00:51:04.200 liberal candidate
00:51:05.420 because it is
00:51:06.140 the liberal
00:51:06.640 government that
00:51:07.460 has introduced
00:51:08.560 all of these
00:51:09.220 measures, has
00:51:09.880 funded the
00:51:11.180 media with up
00:51:12.520 to $600 million
00:51:13.500 in subsidies,
00:51:15.460 has boosted
00:51:16.860 CBC's budget
00:51:18.480 time and time
00:51:19.600 again, and is
00:51:20.780 now even
00:51:21.360 proposing a
00:51:22.480 further boost
00:51:23.220 to CBC's
00:51:24.140 budget despite
00:51:24.820 the declining
00:51:25.520 popularity and
00:51:26.480 the distaste
00:51:27.160 people have with
00:51:28.600 our public
00:51:29.620 broadcaster.
00:51:30.400 But they
00:51:31.920 are taking
00:51:32.580 notice, and
00:51:33.600 if this
00:51:34.560 weakness proves
00:51:36.220 to be Mark
00:51:37.660 Carney's undoing,
00:51:38.760 in some ways
00:51:39.300 this will be
00:51:39.960 the undoing
00:51:41.200 of the
00:51:42.080 liberal media
00:51:43.360 establishment,
00:51:44.740 which so
00:51:45.280 heavily relies
00:51:46.220 on the liberal
00:51:47.240 government,
00:51:48.140 should Pierre
00:51:49.280 Pauly have
00:51:49.700 become prime
00:51:50.300 minister and
00:51:51.000 move forward
00:51:51.640 with some of
00:51:52.180 his pledges
00:51:52.760 concerning the
00:51:53.740 CBC, etc.
00:51:54.680 So, moving
00:51:56.760 on from here,
00:51:57.740 I think we're
00:51:58.200 going to wrap
00:51:58.640 it up, but
00:51:59.460 it's definitely
00:52:00.520 been a busy
00:52:02.160 last week, and
00:52:04.500 we've also had
00:52:05.540 such a, you
00:52:07.600 know, a little
00:52:08.400 bit of a gap
00:52:09.100 here because
00:52:09.580 there's some
00:52:10.040 organizational
00:52:10.740 changes and
00:52:11.720 some exciting
00:52:12.800 things happening
00:52:13.600 here with us
00:52:15.440 and at True
00:52:15.940 North and
00:52:16.500 Juno News.
00:52:17.160 So, as
00:52:19.500 the final
00:52:20.080 remark, I'm
00:52:21.240 just going to
00:52:22.020 wrap it up and
00:52:22.980 say everything
00:52:23.620 you heard here
00:52:24.380 was off the
00:52:25.260 record.
00:52:30.560 All right,
00:52:31.360 well, how
00:52:32.520 was my hosting
00:52:33.360 for the first
00:52:34.360 time?
00:52:35.400 Pretty good,
00:52:36.560 Cosmin.
00:52:37.060 I think the
00:52:38.180 audience will be
00:52:38.940 very pleased
00:52:39.780 with everything
00:52:41.360 you did today.
00:52:43.240 Yeah, I hope
00:52:43.940 so.
00:52:44.120 It was a little
00:52:44.600 bit of a gap.
00:52:45.320 How many weeks
00:52:45.860 has it been since
00:52:46.560 we last did
00:52:47.140 this, like,
00:52:48.400 two weeks?
00:52:48.780 Maybe like a
00:52:49.420 month or
00:52:49.800 something.
00:52:50.080 Yeah, maybe
00:52:50.640 two weeks,
00:52:51.160 yeah.
00:52:51.500 I haven't done
00:52:52.200 it in a while
00:52:52.680 because I have
00:52:54.320 classes on
00:52:55.200 an awkward
00:52:56.100 time on
00:52:56.540 Thursday and
00:52:57.320 just can't
00:52:58.460 get out there,
00:53:00.100 but it's definitely
00:53:01.000 fun to always
00:53:01.780 do OTR.