Juno News - November 26, 2022


WATCH: Justin Trudeau cross-examined by Convoy lawyer


Episode Stats

Length

14 minutes

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133.0742

Word Count

1,883

Sentence Count

113


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.240 Bonjour, Mr. Prime Minister. My name is Eva Cipiuk. I'm one of the lawyers representing Freedom Corp and the protesters who were here in Ottawa in January and February of 2022.
00:00:13.580 I want to first talk to you about the events that led up to the invocation of the Emergencies Act.
00:00:19.760 You would agree with me that the Emergencies Act was invoked on Valentine's Day, Monday, February 14th, correct?
00:00:27.140 Yes.
00:00:27.580 And you are aware that this commission has received evidence from the police and other witnesses that on Monday, February 14th, the Ambassador Bridge was reopened, as was Coutts.
00:00:39.860 All the borders were reopened, correct?
00:00:43.500 Yes, and there was concern that more locations were going to be closed. Coutts didn't open until Tuesday.
00:00:54.060 Okay, well, we'll review the record for that.
00:00:56.160 On the Sunday night, February 13th, there was an IRG meeting, and you were there, and in fact, you were the chair of that meeting. Is that correct?
00:01:04.420 Yes.
00:01:05.800 And at the IRG meeting, you were advised that there was a breakthrough agreement between the Mayor of Ottawa and the convoy organizers to move trucks out of the downtown residential areas. Isn't that correct?
00:01:17.660 Uh, that is not how I remember it, no.
00:01:19.660 Okay, well, I can advise you that at the inquiry, it was confirmed by the documents your officials filed here, and by witnesses, namely Jody Thomas, she confirmed that at that IRG meeting, you were briefed that there was an agreement with the Mayor.
00:01:38.460 Does that, do you recall that?
00:01:40.300 With whom?
00:01:42.480 With the Mayor and who?
00:01:44.400 Some of the convoy organizers.
00:01:46.500 Which ones?
00:01:47.800 Well, Tamara Leach, who's present here in this room, signed a letter.
00:01:51.180 It was made publicly available on the news on Sunday, February 13th, and you were advised of that agreement at the IRG meeting.
00:02:03.340 And we were also advised that that agreement wasn't holding and that many of the convoy had decried it as fake news and not actually an agreement that they would abide by.
00:02:16.080 And you learned that on Twitter, is that correct?
00:02:17.780 No, we learned that at the IRG meeting.
00:02:21.000 By whom?
00:02:22.380 By our collected officials.
00:02:24.160 Thanks.
00:02:28.300 And now you should be aware that this commission has also received evidence from city officials and others that the next day, on Monday the 14th, over 100 protest vehicles had moved out of the downtown residential areas.
00:02:42.840 Under the Mayor's agreement, prior to your 4.30 p.m. announcement invoking the Emergencies Act, is that right?
00:02:52.120 I can't speak to that, but I'm sure others have or will.
00:02:55.140 They have.
00:02:55.620 And you are aware of the evidence before this commission from police officials and others who testified that the efforts by the truckers to further vacate the downtown residential areas under the Mayor's deal were blocked by the police on both Tuesday and Wednesday, February 15th and 16th.
00:03:16.700 Are you aware of that?
00:03:17.980 No, I am not.
00:03:19.160 My understanding was the police were allowing anyone who wanted to leave to leave.
00:03:24.360 Would you agree with me that it would have been a far better outcome if you and your colleagues would have allowed the de-escalation agreement with the Mayor to be completed and there would have been no need to invoke the extraordinary powers of the Emergencies Act, including the significant and violent police actions and freezing Canadians' bank accounts?
00:03:48.160 If I could interrupt, Commissioner, it's Brian Gover on behalf of the Government of Canada.
00:03:54.080 The agreement was to move the protesters to Wellington.
00:03:58.240 My friend is misstating the evidence in my submission.
00:04:02.920 I could provide some clarity.
00:04:06.140 Okay, go ahead.
00:04:06.820 It's very well known in the agreement with the Mayor that it was to remove vehicles from the downtown residential areas.
00:04:18.240 And yes, Mr. Gover, thank you, to move to Wellington, but out of residential areas apart from Wellington.
00:04:27.740 So thank you.
00:04:32.920 Can you now, are you able to answer the question?
00:04:35.500 Uh, I believe the answer was no, but you can repeat the question if you like.
00:04:42.320 Sure.
00:04:43.960 If you had allowed the de-escalation agreement, in other words, moving trucks outside and other protest vehicles outside of the downtown area, there would be no need to invoke the Emergency Act.
00:04:58.900 Mr. Commissioner, I object again because characterizing this as a de-escalation agreement, uh, in my submission as a misnomer, this was a, an agreement that didn't hold, but it was to move vehicles from residential areas to Wellington Street.
00:05:16.620 Well, I'll, I'll let the question stand.
00:05:19.480 I think it's a question of interpretation.
00:05:21.880 Go ahead.
00:05:22.980 So, no, I don't agree.
00:05:24.940 Thank you.
00:05:30.180 Your officials have testified that they are, that they were following the convoy as it began moving from regions of Canada towards Ottawa.
00:05:37.540 And you are aware that thousands of Canadians lined the highways and overpasses to cheer the truckers.
00:05:43.700 Is that right?
00:05:45.500 Uh, I can't speak to the number, but yes.
00:05:48.820 Thank you.
00:05:48.960 There was, there were many supporters.
00:05:51.060 Yes.
00:05:51.240 Mr. Prime Minister, I would like to read to you an excerpt from three of the many statements that Canadians prepared for this commission, Canadians who supported the convoy and explained why.
00:06:01.980 And I would like, I would ask the registrar to bring up document ID HRF four zeros one six six zero.
00:06:13.580 If you could turn to page 274, please.
00:06:21.240 And while that comes up, I'll just start reading the statement.
00:06:29.580 274.
00:06:31.240 Elizabeth Klapik provided a statement about how the government's COVID mandates and lockdowns disrupted her life.
00:06:40.160 Starting at paragraph three, she said, the truckers and the Canadians who lined the roads, overpasses and highways restored the hope that I had almost lost.
00:06:49.860 These patriotic Canadians told me that I am not alone, that I matter.
00:06:55.940 I will never forget the hope and pride I felt watching these amazing truckers driving along Canadian highways, crowded with patriotic flag, Canadians flying, patriotic.
00:07:07.760 I will never forget the tears I shed as I regained that almost lost hope, that love for my home and native land, that love for my fellow Canadians.
00:07:27.640 At page 235, Ottawa resident Karen Hanna, who obtained a sociology degree from Ottawa University, starting at paragraph five, stated,
00:07:42.880 For months, the leader of our country publicly shamed people like me and my husband, our own family members turned on us, blamed us, and some even told us we don't deserve health care.
00:07:58.700 Paragraph 17, one of my most emotional moments was dancing on Rideau Street beside a local man.
00:08:06.420 He had tears streaming down his face.
00:08:08.820 All he wanted was a hug.
00:08:10.880 It was very overpowering for him.
00:08:13.760 I met a girl, 22 years old, who just hopped in her car from Winnipeg and just kept driving.
00:08:19.080 She stayed the entire time.
00:08:20.420 I met people who were like family to me, people who gave up everything to come to Ottawa for justice and an explanation.
00:08:30.720 At page 116, here is one of many, many concerned parents and spouses.
00:08:39.060 Sam Crozier, at paragraph eight, says,
00:08:41.980 I am not asking for help.
00:08:45.280 I am begging you to please listen, hear my heart, feel my pain, and help work towards the true North strong and free that we were promised.
00:08:57.700 My husband, an Army veteran who now has PTSD, and not from anything he has seen or done in the forces, but from what our own government has done.
00:09:06.440 Our government has destroyed my life.
00:09:08.680 I, a once optimistic, full-of-life person, find myself struggling to stay above water now.
00:09:15.800 I struggle to find joy in anything and daily fear a new announcement being made that will further punish us.
00:09:24.240 I have written the same email to every member of Parliament daily
00:09:28.500 and been ignored by a large collection of the people meant to be our leaders, meant to be listening to us.
00:09:36.300 Mr. Prime Minister, you have now heard the statements from some of the many concerned Canadians
00:09:43.560 who felt compelled to support the protesters.
00:09:47.260 Do you now understand the reason so many Canadians came to Ottawa with such resolve
00:09:54.420 in the midst of a harsh, cold Canadian winter
00:09:58.300 because of the harms caused by your government COVID mandates, and they wanted to be heard?
00:10:08.860 I am moved, and I was moved, as I heard these testimonies, as I saw the depth of
00:10:16.740 hurt and anxiety about the present and the future expressed by so many people.
00:10:27.600 The COVID pandemic was unbelievably difficult on all Canadians.
00:10:34.180 And my job throughout this pandemic was to keep Canadians safe, and the way that I chose to do that
00:10:43.360 was to lean on public health officials, lean on experts and science on the best way to keep Canadians safe.
00:10:52.500 And because Canadians got vaccinated to over 80%,
00:10:56.620 we had fewer deaths in Canada than places that didn't reach that.
00:11:03.580 And every heartbreaking story I hear of a family who sat beside the bed of a loved one
00:11:10.800 dying because they had believed that the vaccines were more dangerous than the disease,
00:11:19.180 I take personally, because I wish I could have done more to convince people to get vaccinated.
00:11:30.140 But I only have 10 minutes, so thank you. That was helpful.
00:11:34.520 Mr. Prime...
00:11:35.220 Just to interrupt you, you're going to have to shorten it because you're already over your time.
00:11:40.740 Okay, thank you.
00:11:42.160 A number of people have testified in this inquiry referencing your widely published comments
00:11:47.180 comments and calling the unvaccinated racists and misogynists.
00:11:52.100 And we have heard testimony in this inquiry about how some of your officials wanted to label
00:11:57.140 protesters as terrorists. Would you agree with me that one of the most important roles of a
00:12:02.860 prime minister is to unite Canadians and not divide them by engaging in name calling?
00:12:08.720 I did not call people who were unvaccinated names.
00:12:14.320 I highlighted there is a difference between people who are hesitant to get vaccinated for
00:12:23.120 any range of reasons and people who deliberately spread misinformation that puts at risk that
00:12:31.900 life and health of their fellow Canadians. And my focus, every step of the way, and the
00:12:39.360 primary responsibility of a prime minister is to keep Canadians safe and alive.
00:12:45.080 Right. So in terms of safety, when you met with our refrain, Minister Blair, Public Safety
00:12:55.560 Minister, Minister Mendicino, National Security Intelligence Advisor Jody Thomas, and RCMP
00:13:02.440 Commissioner Brenda Luckey, and today you testified that the federal government was committed to
00:13:07.560 exhausting all alternatives to a resolution prior to making a decision to invoke the extraordinary
00:13:13.440 powers of the Emergencies Act. Do you agree that that accurately describes your government's position?
00:13:20.000 That the invocation of the Emergencies Act was a measure of last resort, was not something to be
00:13:25.680 taken lightly. Thank you.
00:13:27.060 And something to do when other options were not effective.
00:13:31.300 And you are aware that the OPP, along with others, developed an engagement proposal, and you
00:13:37.760 were advised of that proposal at the IRG meeting on February 12th, correct?
00:13:43.540 It was a proposal, but we had, and it was presented to us, we had more questions about how it would actually work.
00:13:53.420 It was not a complete proposal.
00:13:55.320 My last question, Mr. Prime Minister, when did you and your government start to become so afraid of your own citizens?
00:14:01.820 That's a very unfair...
00:14:05.460 I am not, and we are not.
00:14:07.400 Those are my questions.
00:14:08.540 Thank you.