Western provinces are taking a stand for gun owners
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In this episode of Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show, host Andrew Lawton is joined by the Chief Firearms Officer of Saskatchewan, Murray Cowan, and Robert Freeberg, who have been appointed as the new Firearms Commissioner of Saskatchewan.
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This is The Andrew Lawton Show, brought to you by True North.
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Hello and welcome to you all, Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show here,
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The Andrew Lawton Show on True North on this Monday, April 8th, 2024.
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I will just warn you right up front, because I'm worried that there will be some big calamitous thing
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that takes place Monday morning, and this show will be dated.
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This is the exception to the rule. This show is actually pre-recorded.
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I am on my way right now. Well, actually, I'm in Ottawa.
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I had to tend to something that I will give you an update on tomorrow,
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but like tomorrow for you, not tomorrow for me.
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See, this is why we don't pre-tape. It just gets so confusing.
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But we are pre-taping the show today, and I'll tell you all about it later this week.
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But I did want to follow up on a discussion we had on a previous episode
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that was really interesting, and it was about Saskatchewan
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and what that province is doing to stand up for the rights of law-abiding gun owners.
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I spoke about this in broad strokes and kind of the national picture
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with Rod Giltaka from the Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights.
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But I thought there was enough going on there with the Saskatchewan government
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expanding the Firearms Office there and really taking advantage
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of some of the tools it has in its toolkit as a province
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to really give the federal government a run for its money,
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money that the federal government is spending a lot of to do very little,
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in fact, nothing that will enhance or uphold public safety.
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So with that, I wanted to welcome into the show Murray Cowan,
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who is the new Chief Firearms Officer of Saskatchewan,
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and Robert Freeberg, who had the role up until just a couple of weeks back
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and has now taken on a new position as the Firearms Commissioner of Saskatchewan.
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In terms of understanding this, for people in the country who aren't firearms owners
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or even who are but haven't navigated the system as much,
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And as you know, Andrew, it's a brand-new role,
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so I'm still getting comfortable and learning the ins and outs of everything I'll actually be doing.
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But primarily, I'm taking some of the workload off of Bob here,
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and we talked about this quite a bit as I came into the organization,
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and I couldn't believe how hard he was working to develop this program
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and to develop the firearms office here in Saskatchewan.
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So basically what I'm going to be looking at in general is taking over the operational side
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and kind of providing oversight to the firearms program
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and looking after the new ballistics lab that we're developing, you know,
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once it's up and running, and, yeah, just providing general oversight.
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So, and Bob can probably explain a little more in detail
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because he's got a better understanding about Salouette,
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but, yeah, there's different branches of our firearms office now
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which will focus more for me on the operational side.
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Yeah, and Anne, I will go to you, Bob, because you obviously had this role previously,
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and now you're shifting in as part of this expansion to the commissioner role,
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which is one that's certainly not as familiar to me.
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What's that, and how do you fit into this landscape now?
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and the reason the commissioner role came about for a couple of reasons, Andrew,
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is that we started off just taking over the duties of a chief firearms office
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which is a term that's used across Canada with provinces
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that decide that they want to appoint their own CFO
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to administer the firearms program under direction from CFP.
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We started off in that direction back when they hired me in August of 2020.
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It was appointed as the CFO in September of 2021,
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but what we've discovered in getting into the role of round firearms
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Of course, there's advocacy, there's education,
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but there was also a need from our law enforcement partners
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also work within a framework of provincial regulations,
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and the provincial regulations really are mirroring some of the federal regulations
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But what we've done is for the administrative expense errors,
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or not recognizing that their firearm is now prohibited
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because they haven't yet sent any documentation,
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we've created some offenses out of the province
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that allows us to deal with those outside of that laying a criminal conviction.
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So with that, we've developed the SAS Firearms Office,
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and under that we've developed the pillars like the ballistics lab,
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the chief firearms officer's lab, our client services unit,
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and of course our lawyers that work within our legal unit.
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So when we did that, we came up with the Saskatchewan Farms Act
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because really a CFO traditionally isn't dealing with a lot of those issues.
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So what we've done now with creating a separate ministry or secretariat,
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as it's defined under legal provincial legislation,
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what we've done is now they've assigned me as the commissioner.
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So my duty is just to look from a top-down approach
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what we can do around supporting the police agencies,
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with assisting law enforcement in a number of ways.
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So this new division of power or division of authority
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Well, when you talk about engaging with stakeholders,
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I know there are a lot of gun owners that watch and listen to this show,
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and they feel that certainly at the federal level,
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they're the ones that are left dealing with the consequences
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in advising the government or any meaningful role in that.
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And I know that, you know, Murray, you're a career police officer,
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that you've got this set of laws that, you know,
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gun owners are the only ones following and obeying
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You know, our goal here and my goal is certainly
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but my role is also to support legal and lawful,
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And, you know, I may sound like a broken record when I say that,
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but, you know, lots of folks and the vast majority of gun owners
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in this country are licensed, vetted, and legal and law-abiding.
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or I see it as, you know, they're not the problem primarily,
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but it's the illegal guns, it's the criminals and the folks
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that aren't going to follow the laws regardless.
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at the firearms office as well is to, you know,
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Well, you mentioned earlier the ballistics lab.
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I don't know which of you is best positioned to speak to this,
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but I actually find this to be tremendously important
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on where the guns that are used in crime have come from.
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There seems to be this patchwork across the country.
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You know, most of it tends to support this idea
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is that not a big part of what this lab will be able to do?
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and comes with a vast experience as an ident person
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and running the DNA repository in the province and so forth.
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And to your point, I mean, a lot of these firearms,
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you know, are not coming from lawful gun owners.
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They're locking them up and have security systems in their house.
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and chopped down and made into modified, prohibited firearms.
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And we've been doing a big education program around that
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in Saskatchewan with billboards and advertising and radio
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saying, you know, secure firearms, safe for communities.
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going out to gun shows and home shows and other people,
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So you have a crime scene where there's casings.
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You're, you know, you're entering that into a database.
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And now you're able to tie that firearm back to that incident.
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as to where it came from, how it was tied to a crime.
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It might have come from somebody down the street.
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closed the provincial lab in Saskatchewan many years ago.
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it could take a year or two to get any information back
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So we're excited about having our own facility.
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We'll, of course, work in partnership with those other labs.
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not a dime is coming for the federal government.
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because the Saskatchewan government has said that,