Juno News - What does Trudeau know about Beijing’s interference？ (ft. Pierre Poilievre)

00:00:00.000 Welcome to Canada's most irreverent talk show.

00:00:05.320 This is the Andrew Lawton Show, brought to you by True North.

00:00:13.020 Hello and welcome to you all.

00:00:15.680 This is the Andrew Lawton Show, kicking off a brand new week on Monday, March 6th.

00:00:21.420 A rare Monday edition of the program for reasons that will become abundantly clear in just a couple of moments time.

00:00:27.660 Actually, we'll make them abundantly clear right now.

00:00:30.000 On Friday, I sat down, and it was a rather hastily assembled ordeal,

00:00:35.320 but with Conservative leader Pierre Paliyev, he was swinging through my neck of the woods.

00:00:40.380 I live in London, Ontario, and he was doing a campaign stop there.

00:00:44.560 And I think it was on Thursday when I realized this,

00:00:47.080 so I was chatting back and forth with his office very briefly

00:00:49.900 and said I'd like to do a sit-down interview, and they happily indulged.

00:00:54.100 So we sat down on Friday, and there's already been a bit of news emanating from that interview.

00:01:00.000 Pierre Polyev has had some very harsh words for Justin Trudeau on the China file and specifically

00:01:07.280 on what to date has been Justin Trudeau's refusal to call a public inquiry into China's meddling

00:01:14.500 in Canada's elections. And I should just preface this by saying we talked about a bunch of things

00:01:21.180 in the interview. We talk about China. We talk about housing and the brokenness of Canada,

00:01:25.940 which have been pretty key themes in Pierre Polyave's leadership.

00:01:29.420 We also, yes, do talk very briefly near the end about Christine Anderson.

00:01:33.640 Unfortunately, it was a 10-minute interview, and you can only squeeze so much in there.

00:01:37.700 And I think I was already, like, pushing past the boundaries there.

00:01:41.060 But the thing that I wanted to just note on this for context is that Justin Trudeau is doing a press conference,

00:01:47.760 I believe, at 5.15 p.m. Eastern time, so in just over an hour.

00:01:52.260 And he may possibly be announcing a public inquiry into China right there.

00:02:00.460 Although I find that to be a little bit unlikely given his comments on Friday.

00:02:07.040 That's my suspicion.

00:02:09.300 But he has to find something that squares his previous slapdown with whatever he's going to do.

00:02:16.620 Because right now the problem is not going away.

00:02:19.540 And this is not just one of these things where the Conservatives, as His Majesty's loyal opposition,

00:02:25.020 keep opposing and they keep trying to raise a stink about it and no one really cares.

00:02:28.980 This is something that has legs, that is galvanizing people across the political spectrum.

00:02:34.840 There are well-meaning liberals in parts of the country all over the place

00:02:39.340 that are not happy with how the government is handling the China file.

00:02:43.200 The NDP, as Anthony Fury and I were talking about on the Daily Brief this morning,

00:02:48.040 Even the NDP is for the first time ever starting to talk about maybe wavering, maybe just a little bit, just entertaining the idea of wavering on that deal to keep the Liberals in power if they do not call a public inquiry.

00:03:04.300 So I think Justin Trudeau has to be feeling a bit of a pinch on this.

00:03:07.960 And I think that there is, as a result, the possibility for movement.

00:03:12.700 We don't often see self-awareness from this government.

00:03:15.080 we don't often see capitulations or appeasement from this government but this is just not going

00:03:20.840 away and if you look at the the liberal commentariat people like gerald butch liberal

00:03:25.340 columnists liberal commentators liberal members of parliament what's astonishing although maybe

00:03:31.700 not all that surprising not astonishing i'll say annoying and infuriating is how hell-bent they are

00:03:37.880 on this idea that there is nothing to see here that we are not supposed to be looking at this

00:03:42.300 don't pay any attention pay no attention to the man behind the curtain uh even if it is

00:03:46.860 xi jinping and even if he is uh pulling the strings on what's happening in some aspects

00:03:51.660 of canadian politics so uh we'll talk about this in a bit more detail but i just wanted to set the

00:03:56.680 stage for you that this was the backdrop against which pierre polyev and i sat down on friday for

00:04:03.560 our interview and today monday parliament gets back in session the house of commons is there

00:04:09.580 And Justin Trudeau is a no-show.

00:04:12.620 Justin Trudeau not there in question, period.

00:04:15.360 So not there to answer this question from Mr. Paliyev.

00:04:21.020 For 10 years, the communist dictatorship in Beijing has been helping the prime minister.

00:04:27.500 Will he finally allow a public and truly independent investigation of it?

00:04:33.960 We take the issue of foreign interference in Canada's electoral system

00:04:38.220 and any foreign interference very seriously.

00:04:41.520 Mr. Speaker, that's why when we formed Govern,

00:04:43.700 we took a number of unprecedented steps that did not exist

00:04:47.100 when my friend was a minister in the previous government.

00:04:49.700 We created the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians.

00:04:54.280 Precisely so.

00:04:55.780 Parliamentarians from all political parties

00:04:57.840 could have access to classified information

00:05:00.040 and publish reports for Canadians.

00:05:02.160 We set up an independent panel of senior public servants, Mr. Speaker,

00:05:06.080 to follow exactly the issue of foreign interference in the elections

00:05:09.820 and will continue to do more.

00:05:12.200 The Honourable Leader of the Official Opposition.

00:05:14.520 Well, all they've done is had the former CEO

00:05:17.780 of the China-financed Trudeau Foundation

00:05:21.520 to write a report about it

00:05:23.160 in which he unsurprisingly says,

00:05:25.020 don't worry, be happy.

00:05:26.680 And we know why the Liberals want to cover this up.

00:05:28.460 They benefited from Beijing's interference

00:05:30.660 in two successive elections.

00:05:32.260 The question is, why isn't the NDP actually doing its job?

00:05:36.080 oh yes the liberals take it oh so seriously so seriously in fact that uh justin trudeau was uh

00:05:44.720 not particularly interested in showing up and answering to that now we'll see what the

00:05:49.040 announcement is that comes down the pipeline at 5 15. but without further ado let me share

00:05:54.640 with you my sit-down with Conservative leader Pierre Paulyev from Friday.

00:06:06.060 You're tuned in to The Andrew Lawton Show.

00:06:11.960 Good to see you in London this time. Great to be here. Your campaign has often talked about

00:06:18.300 the idea of everything being broken and I know this has become a point of contention with the

00:06:22.700 liberals who are in denial about this point, but fundamentally, we're seeing a breakdown of

00:06:27.880 many sectors, many institutions, of trust in institutions. How much can government,

00:06:34.080 a Pierre Polyev government, fix that? Well, government is the thing that's breaking it

00:06:38.980 in the first place. It's the old saying, government is not the solution, government

00:06:42.900 is the problem. It is eight years of Trudeau that has given us 40-year highs in inflation.

00:06:47.820 Why do we have that? Well, because they printed a half trillion dollars, more money chasing fewer

00:06:52.440 goods always equals higher prices. This is a mathematical relationship that goes back

00:06:56.560 thousands of years. It was utterly predictable. I predicted it because it was obvious. And that's

00:07:02.640 why seniors can't afford food, moms can't feed their kids, and nine out of ten young people who

00:07:09.100 don't own a home believe they never will. All that easy cash bid up the cost of housing and

00:07:13.940 everything else. So we need to reverse those inflationary policies, cap spending, fire the

00:07:19.400 high-priced consultants, defund the CBC, cut the waste so that we can get rid of the inflationary

00:07:24.560 deficits that are driving up inflation in the first place. We should also get rid of the carbon

00:07:28.980 tax to bring down fuel, heat, and grocery prices. And then instead of creating all this cash, we've

00:07:36.400 got to start creating more what cash buys. We need to build more homes, get the government gatekeepers

00:07:41.240 out of the way. I'm going to get a lot tougher, frankly, with incompetent left-wing big city

00:07:46.640 mayors who block housing construction and therefore shut working-class immigrants and

00:07:51.480 youth out of housing. Very good for the privileged elites living in leafy neighborhoods, the

00:07:56.700 woke wonderland where they sit around reading the New Yorker magazine in their overpriced house,

00:08:02.480 but not great for the working-class kid who can't afford a home. So I'm going to tie federal

00:08:06.820 infrastructure money to the number of houses that big cities allow to be completed, and I'm going

00:08:11.060 to require that there be high-density housing around every federally funded transit station.

00:08:14.960 I'm going to sell up 15% of federal buildings, turn that into housing so that people can actually get into a house. 0.82

00:08:20.600 I actually believe the single biggest cause of social breakdown right now is the fact that young people can't afford homes because it totally screws up their entire psychology. 0.98

00:08:30.800 They lose a sense of self-agency if they can't own a place of their own.

00:08:34.960 They can't start a family.

00:08:36.280 They can't have kids.

00:08:37.240 They can't even date.

00:08:38.400 They can't build up credit history, collateral, or savings for the future.

00:08:43.080 So we need to knock down the barriers to housing construction, build millions of new homes,

00:08:47.460 and then cut income taxes so people's paychecks can afford more mortgage payment and more house.

00:08:53.160 And that's what a poly of government's going to do.

00:08:55.260 Do you think there's a cultural problem of people wanting to live in the very cities that they can't afford to live in?

00:09:01.260 Do you think something is perhaps missing where people should be going to different parts of the country?

00:09:05.900 We should be putting government offices in more remote parts of the country, places where it is more affordable to live?

00:09:11.200 Well, look, I'm not against any of that. I think rural living is great. It's fantastic. And I think people who want it should have that chance. But ironically, the federal government is attacking rural living as well. Their carbon tax is particularly hard on rural folks because they have to heat more space and travel longer distances. And electric cars and bicycles are not an option if you're living in Labrador or, you know, in around peace country Alberta, for example.

00:09:37.840 so they're attacking the cost of living of the rural person and now they're making cities

00:09:42.640 unaffordable so i don't know where people are supposed to be expected to live the bottom line

00:09:47.440 is we need to get rid of all these taxes and all the red tape that's driving up the cost of living

00:09:52.280 because it should be easy and cheap to live in housing in canada you know eight years ago the

00:09:56.960 average house price was 450 000 now it's almost double that the average mortgage payment was 1400

00:10:02.060 bucks. Now it's 3,200. The average rent was 950 bucks. Now it's over 2,000. They've doubled the

00:10:08.580 cost of housing by printing cash and blocking construction, knock down the gatekeepers,

00:10:12.940 build more houses, print less money. You have existing homeowners that are being

00:10:17.560 completely squeezed out of being able to afford their own mortgage payments. People that

00:10:21.820 will have to renew their mortgages in the next couple of years that have no idea what that

00:10:25.400 interest rate is going to look like. And obviously getting into the housing market is the greatest

00:10:30.080 challenge, but there are a lot of existing homeowners right now that in three, four years

00:10:33.920 could be an incredibly precarious situation. What's your prediction and what's your way out

00:10:39.020 of that? Well, you're absolutely right. And we're already seeing it. Just yesterday, CIBC said one

00:10:44.400 in five of its mortgage holders are actually seeing their mortgage grow. So normally you say

00:10:51.520 I'm paying down my mortgage. Yeah, you get that statement and it shows you a little bit more

00:10:55.740 every year well but now people are paying their mortgages but the overall principle is rising

00:11:02.540 because interest rates on their variable rate mortgage uh have gone up and therefore their

00:11:07.180 mortgage has been so when they go to renew their payments are going to explode i think the

00:11:11.180 danger the real cliff is coming in 2025 2026 why because it was in 2020 and 2021 that people bought

00:11:20.220 the massively overpriced houses with the huge mortgages and if they locked in for five years

00:11:24.460 will, they'll be up for renewal in 2025, 2026. So I'm very, I mean, I will be prime minister at

00:11:29.800 the time. I'm going to have to deal with this major cliff that Trudeau and the Bank of Canada

00:11:36.120 have sent our homeowners towards. And I think the only way to deal with it is to try and get

00:11:42.500 spending under control now so that we bring down inflation and interest rates before those people

00:11:46.960 have to renew. Despite the vote across party lines largely in favor of an inquiry into China's

00:11:53.120 interference in Canada's elections. Justin Trudeau has come out and basically written off the idea

00:11:58.780 of having an inquiry. Now, I don't want to put too much stock in an inquiry as being the best venue

00:12:03.660 for accountability, but simply put, what do you think is the best way to get to the bottom of

00:12:09.420 this? Well, multiple ways. We do need a public inquiry that can requisition documents, forced

00:12:15.520 testimony under oath, but we also need Parliament to continue its examination because what I don't

00:12:22.540 want to see is for the Liberals to create an inquiry that shuts down the debate, doesn't start

00:12:29.300 for four months, is largely done in secret, and doesn't report until after the next federal election,

00:12:34.220 which could face interference again. So we need simultaneously to do our investigation in the

00:12:40.440 Parliamentary Committee. We need to know what Justin Trudeau and his top staff knew. There's

00:12:45.680 reports that CSIS was briefing them about the way in which Beijing was supporting Justin Trudeau

00:12:51.940 and giving money to his foundation over the course of a decade.

00:12:55.800 We need confirmation that he knew that,

00:12:58.360 and we also need to know what he was aware of

00:13:00.020 and what the Liberal Party was aware of in the two elections where Beijing interfered.

00:13:03.900 The media reports we've seen about CSIS's findings

00:13:06.740 show that in the 2019 election there were 11 candidates

00:13:09.540 that were the beneficiaries of Beijing's attempts at influence,

00:13:13.500 and two of those were Conservatives, nine of them were Liberal.

00:13:16.460 Do you think those candidates should be publicly named?

00:13:19.780 Yes, I do.

00:13:21.160 Now, I'll be fair to them, even though they're mostly liberals and not in my party.

00:13:26.440 If they did not know and there was somebody inserted in their campaign without their knowledge, that's one thing.

00:13:32.820 If they knew and willingly collaborated with a hostile foreign government, that's another.

00:13:38.520 And I'd say right here, right now, I think that CISA should let us know, all parties know,

00:13:44.020 if anyone in our party, any party, is willingly collaborating with Beijing,

00:13:50.560 if there is anyone like that ever discovered in my party, I'll throw them out.

00:13:54.360 Do you know or suspect who those two conservatives were in 2019?

00:13:57.340 No, I do not, no.

00:13:58.540 And if they were, if you were to find out as candidates again,

00:14:02.360 what would the approach you'd take be?

00:14:03.520 Well, I have to find out if they knew,

00:14:04.900 because the reports that we've seen in the media so far

00:14:08.180 are not clear on whether the 11 candidates were aware of the involvement.

00:14:12.520 It could have been undercover involvement, but if they did know, then obviously they'd have to be removed from the party.

00:14:21.000 What's your take on where the Liberals, if I can just be frank, weakness on this issue is coming from?

00:14:26.440 Do you think it is that they're just trying to avoid any level of scrutiny that could blow back on them,

00:14:31.220 or do you think there is genuinely a soft spot for China from this government?

00:14:34.540 Well, I think the soft spot is in their wallets.

00:14:40.160 Corporate liberals have been making grand fortunes doing business with Beijing and the government there for many years.

00:14:48.160 It's no secret that Liberal Inc. loves to do business with the communist regime.

00:14:54.720 And so they have deep ties, and they fostered those ties into what appears to be a political advantage.

00:15:02.640 Now the question is whether or not the Liberal Party knew, and if so, what it did about.

00:15:09.300 of Beijing's interference in two consecutive elections. And we don't know the answer. I'm

00:15:14.900 not going to lay down an allegation until we know for sure. But so far, Justin Trudeau does not seem

00:15:20.320 to be one of telling the truth. And that's not a good sign. You denounced German MEP Christine

00:15:26.540 Anderson as, quote, hateful and racist when she was touring Canada and had met with a couple of

00:15:31.760 Conservative MPs. What are the views that you ascribe to her that are hateful and racist,

00:15:36.720 to use your terms? Well, I mean, she attacked Muslims. She said that Islam is a misogynist

00:15:43.940 religion and that she didn't actually, she said it wasn't a religion at all. Well, there are over 0.75

00:15:50.600 a million Muslims in Canada. I don't believe that that's true. And if someone had said that

00:15:55.920 about Christianity, well, we'd all be up in arms. And so I disagree with the comments that she's

00:16:02.780 made and I said so. What would your message be to the people who are supporters of yours that

00:16:08.840 went out and saw her speak and felt like you were making a swipe at them perhaps? Well I wasn't

00:16:13.300 making a swipe at them. I'm simply speaking directly and clearly the same way I condemn

00:16:19.040 Justin Trudeau for his racist blackface and for his nasty comments that he's directed at minorities

00:16:25.740 including the unvaccinated.

00:16:28.960 The same way I denounced Maxime Bernier

00:16:32.720 for attending the World Economic Forum.

00:16:35.220 I think Maxime really has to come clean

00:16:37.500 on why he attended the World Economic Forum,

00:16:39.780 why he was involved in that,

00:16:41.080 why he proposed free trade with communist China,

00:16:43.880 why he said that he admires the freedoms

00:16:46.460 that exist in communist China.

00:16:48.280 And I would denounce him for making those comments as well.

00:16:50.760 And just lastly, since we're in London,

00:16:52.160 anything you're looking forward to seeing here?

00:16:53.640 The people, the hardworking people here in London, the folks who do the work, who build this country, you know, I want to I want them to bring home more of what they earn, more of each dollar they earn.

00:17:04.380 And I want this to be a country that works for the people who work.

00:17:07.800 And that's what we're going to bring home when I'm prime minister.

00:17:09.700 You're probably up. Thank you.

00:17:10.580 Thank you.

00:17:14.940 You're tuned in to the Andrew Lawton Show.

00:17:17.520 that was conservative leader pierre polyev sitting down with yours truly in london ontario it's

00:17:28.180 always good usually i have to travel for interviews in this particular case he came

00:17:31.700 to uh well not to me i mean i had to go to the the venue in the snowstorm but i'm not playing

00:17:36.060 the martyr card uh we sat down as you heard there it's kind of a bit of a marathon when you have to

00:17:40.960 condense so much into a 10 minute period i would have loved to have spent uh two three four times

00:17:45.620 as long on each of the topics that came up. And just on the note of the Christine Anderson

00:17:50.560 thing, which I thought was important to ask about, again, it is smaller in many ways than the China

00:17:57.660 issue, smaller than some of the big issues, but I thought it was important. And you can decide for

00:18:02.920 yourself whether you agree with his answer. I wasn't going to get into a debate with him or

00:18:06.900 an argument. My position was, you say she's hateful and racist. Name what it is that leads 0.99

00:18:11.860 you to that conclusion. He says her comments on Islam. I would refer you if you want to know more

00:18:17.400 of my own thoughts on how the Conservatives handled the Christine Anderson thing to listen to my show

00:18:22.780 on Wednesday of last week. And I don't really have much more to add to that except to say

00:18:28.520 that I do believe they overplayed and oversimplified. And a lot of people, I mean,

00:18:37.420 I'm even looking at just peripherally the comments on this show right now. A lot of people

00:18:41.340 are not impressed by that.

00:18:43.340 So you can take it from Pierre Polyev

00:18:45.300 for all those who said,

00:18:46.180 oh, that's not what he actually said.

00:18:47.860 No, he put out the statement.

00:18:48.880 He stands by it.

00:18:50.040 And now you hear his rationale

00:18:51.440 for that conclusion.

00:18:52.660 Now, I always,

00:18:54.160 whenever I interview Maxime Bernier,

00:18:55.980 I get criticized by conservative supporters

00:18:58.640 for shilling for the PPC.

00:19:00.440 When I interview Pierre Polyev,

00:19:01.640 I get accused by PPC supporters

00:19:03.240 of shilling for the CPC.

00:19:04.820 And I guess if I'm the enemy of both,

00:19:06.680 it means that I'm really the ally of both.

00:19:08.840 Or so I'm going to proclaim

00:19:10.960 but I do have to point out there's been this like bizarre bit of misinformation circulating online

00:19:17.480 yesterday about Anna Polyev, Pierre Polyev's wife and the rumor, well not even a rumor and I guess

00:19:25.640 the conspiracy theory is that she was the CEO of Switch Health which is this company that came out

00:19:32.340 of nowhere, started making a fortune off of COVID testing and somehow had the contracts for CBSA

00:19:39.180 and the contracts for the airports and was doing all of this stuff out of nowhere,

00:19:43.100 despite having no record of doing anything in the health space,

00:19:46.140 despite not really being a company.

00:19:48.200 And the conspiracy theory that was circulating online,

00:19:51.920 Chris Skye was the one that I think amplified it,

00:19:55.140 was based on the fact that Anna Polyev was apparently for a bit in 2020 the CEO of this company.

00:20:01.040 Complete nonsense.

00:20:02.640 Literally never happened.

00:20:04.480 The screenshots circulating of articles about this do not exist.

00:20:09.680 They never existed.

00:20:11.420 This is an entire mythology that to me is just so bizarre.

00:20:16.000 Because if you want to criticize Pierre Polyev, there are lots of things you can criticize him on.

00:20:20.220 Like anyone else, you don't need to make stuff up.

00:20:22.220 And that goes to criticizing Justin Trudeau, criticizing Maxime Bernier, Jagmeet Singh.

00:20:27.100 All of these people are politicians who give us enough reasons to turn on them.

00:20:31.320 We don't need to manufacture them. 0.95

00:20:33.480 them. Now let's talk a little bit about China here. So it's about 50 minutes from when Justin

00:20:40.380 Trudeau is going to be speaking. We don't yet know what he is going to be speaking about.

00:20:44.580 This is what he said on Friday in response to the call from a House of Commons committee for

00:20:50.400 public inquiry into China's interference. Oh, I'm being told W-A-A-I-Y by my producer, which

00:21:03.660 I'm assuming means wait instead of Y-E. So unless Y-E is the name of the person asking the question,

00:21:10.320 but I'm not familiar with a Y-E in the parliamentary press gallery. All right, we'll get to that clip

00:21:14.780 in just a moment.

00:21:16.620 Y.E. is actually the name of my new cell phone company.

00:21:20.760 Okay, there we go.

00:21:21.680 Y.E., let's take it away.

00:21:30.240 Oh, do we not have it?

00:21:31.420 I was told we had it.

00:21:38.280 Okay.

00:21:44.780 Yes, I very much share the concerns of Canadians around interference from the Chinese governments

00:21:55.340 or other foreign governments.

00:21:57.380 And I have shared those concerns all the way back to 2015, when we got elected and realized

00:22:03.940 that even as we were seeing increased election interference around the world, in places like

00:22:08.960 France or the United States or elsewhere, democracies subject to foreign interference,

00:22:15.680 we knew that we had to create mechanisms to respond to that because Canada had very few,

00:22:21.840 if any, mechanisms to counter interference in our democracies when we took office.

00:22:26.960 That's why we created, and I'm not going to go through the list again, so many different

00:22:31.340 mechanisms designed to do it.

00:22:33.540 They actually even lead at the G7 when we hosted in Charlevoix in 2018 the creation

00:22:39.580 of a rapid response mechanism shared by the G7 on foreign interference in our democracies.

00:22:47.940 So not only do I share the preoccupations of Canadians, we have taken action, significant

00:22:55.040 actions over the past eight years to increase our ability to do that.

00:22:59.760 it is an ongoing challenge, not just in politics, in business, in academia and research. And that

00:23:06.280 is why we continue to strengthen our capacity to respond to that, because Canadians need to know

00:23:11.480 that our institutions hold, and Canadians need to be reassured that they will continue to hold

00:23:18.360 into the future.

00:23:23.100 Waiter, I'll have the word salad, please, with extra nonsense dressing on top. I've got to be

00:23:29.560 honest, I have no idea what he even said there, except for the fact that he was not endorsing the

00:23:33.800 idea of an inquiry into China, even if he had the rare support of a cross-party coalition of

00:23:41.640 conservatives, new Democrats, and Bloc Québécois on the committee. So we'll see what he announces.

00:23:47.640 Again, he'll probably try to do this weird face-saving thing. I want to talk about Canada's

00:23:53.740 updated guidance on boosters. But I'm seeing a couple of angry comments about my comments a few

00:24:00.000 moments ago about Anna Polyev that I have to respond to here. And I take very seriously facts

00:24:07.320 and I take very seriously truth. And the comment that I made, which I stand by, is that there is

00:24:12.080 zero evidence supporting this spurious rumor, not spurious is the bad word to use, this just

00:24:17.760 blatantly false rumor that was circulating online yesterday that Anna Polly was a CEO of Switch

00:24:23.780 Health. Now, for starters, it's very difficult to conceal being the CEO of a company, certainly one

00:24:30.640 like Switch Health, which was the subject of so much interest. And that is something that people

00:24:37.380 would have heard of. But let's get more specific because Brenda McKenzie says, wow, what evidence

00:24:44.000 do you have about Oneida or are we supposed to just believe you? Well, let me turn it around on

00:24:50.200 you, Brenda. What evidence do you have to support the claim that she is doing that? What evidence

00:24:55.500 do you have to support this thing? I went through when I saw this screenshot circulating that

00:25:00.800 ostensibly showed a record of news stories saying this about Ms. Polyev. I went through and I checked

00:25:06.060 every single one of them out and none of them existed. And then I went through a series of

00:25:10.540 other tests that i use in investigations where you determine that the links never existed they

00:25:16.700 have never existed in the history of the internet not to mention no other record of this woman ever

00:25:21.980 being the ceo of a company called switch health or anything similar she was working as an assistant

00:25:28.140 in a member of parliament's office during the time she was supposedly profiting on

00:25:32.460 covet tests again i i don't know anna polyev i believe she follows me on twitter and i follow

00:25:37.820 her on twitter but i i've never actually spoken to her or met her to my knowledge i just believe

00:25:42.620 that truth is very important here and it's utterly irresponsible for people to make very easily

00:25:48.300 debunked claims whether it was the one about uh paul releau being related to justin trudeau which

00:25:53.180 wasn't true whether it's this thing about anna polyev being the former ceo of switch health

00:25:58.700 you don't need to make stuff up in this day and age because the reality of what we're living

00:26:03.740 through right now is bad enough you don't need to concoct anything now all of that is to say

00:26:11.260 that there are real issues right now that we are facing and one of which is the permanence of

00:26:17.000 covid stand the permanence of the covid era even though we have abandoned officially most of the

00:26:22.760 big mandates we also at the same time have seen just little remnants of covid remain and in some

00:26:28.900 cases, we sort of forget that it's still there, always below the surface. Well, one interesting

00:26:34.360 development that came out on Friday, always interesting when a government report comes out

00:26:38.840 on a Friday, is the Summary of National Advisory Commission, or sorry, Summary of National Advisory

00:26:46.060 Committee on Immunization. This is NACI, statement of March 3rd. Now, NACI, which is the advisory

00:26:53.360 Committee, as the name suggests, on vaccines, has updated its guidance about boosters. And they say

00:27:00.260 right here in the overview on, what is it, page three of the report, NACI now recommends that

00:27:07.020 starting in spring of 2023, an additional booster dose may be offered six or more months from the

00:27:12.360 last COVID vaccine dose or infection to the following individuals who are at increased risk

00:27:18.240 of severe illness from COVID-19. Adults 80 years of age or older, adults 65 to 79 years of age,

00:27:26.880 particularly if they do not have a known history of COVID infection, adult residents of congregate

00:27:32.580 living settings or seniors or those with complex medical care needs, and adults 18 years of age or

00:27:38.380 older who are moderately to severely immunocompromised due to an underlying condition

00:27:43.460 or treatment. So this means that they have actually abandoned their recommendation that

00:27:50.980 everyone gets boosted. They are no longer recommending a booster for healthy adults

00:27:56.180 under the age of 65 years old. So you look at this and you wonder, is the government doing

00:28:03.040 what governments all around the world are starting to do? You see in Scandinavia, Norway, Sweden,

00:28:08.020 they've gradually pushed this back where, oh, no one needs to get the vaccine under 40. No one

00:28:13.160 needs it under 50 no one needs it under 65 and this is actually quite important to see now in

00:28:19.840 Canada we're not quite there just yet if you look at the fine print yes the government is saying

00:28:25.660 that they don't think spring boosters are important for most healthy adults but they also say this

00:28:32.300 that if you haven't previous if you haven't received previously recommended doses including

00:28:37.220 a primary series or a fall 2022 booster dose, you're recommended to receive one now. Now,

00:28:43.500 if you get your fall 2022 booster dose in the spring of 2023, I don't know if it's still the

00:28:50.240 fall 2022 booster dose or if it's now the spring 2023 booster dose, which they are recommending

00:28:55.980 you don't get. So a little bit confused about the timing there. Part of the confusion is that they

00:29:01.220 came out with the new super modified Omicron bivalent booster, which nobody wanted. They

00:29:07.000 rolled it out they made it available and uptake was particularly low so now the government is

00:29:12.640 saying though and again i i don't want to overstate what's happening here because they

00:29:16.560 acknowledge in this report that they may still recommend widespread booster consumption in the

00:29:23.740 fall of 2023 so they're not saying we're done it's no longer necessary but if the booster itself is

00:29:30.720 the same it's noteworthy when the government is saying yeah you know what perhaps if you're under

00:29:36.540 65 especially if you're under 80 you don't need this thing so why would they be doing that because

00:29:44.140 previously they've been telling us to just take these things like candy at first it was get your

00:29:48.700 two doses then get a third then i mean in france they were saying get one every three months in

00:29:52.860 canada they were saying you've got to be up to date with your vaccination remember duclos the

00:29:58.060 health minister federally at one point was talking about making up-to-date vaccination a requirement

00:30:04.540 of air travel so it wasn't enough to just have your two doses in 2021 if you wanted to board an

00:30:10.540 air canada flight that you know would be delayed 17 times before you got to uh cancun or something

00:30:15.980 no he was saying that you were possibly going to need to if the government went through with it

00:30:21.260 be up to date with your vaccination as though covet vaccination would become a permanent feature

00:30:26.940 of your life where the carousel of boosters just keeps coming and coming and coming now the

00:30:31.420 the government backed off of that, although never admitted wrong. They never admitted that perhaps

00:30:36.700 there are some demographics where the harms of COVID vaccination outweigh the benefits of it.

00:30:42.480 And that's been a concession that has been made elsewhere in the world, although not with a great

00:30:47.840 deal of frequency. And all of the people that have talked about the risks that do come along in some

00:30:54.760 cases with COVID vaccination are effectively silenced. You know, my friend who I've had on

00:30:59.420 the show before and should have back on. Mark Stein just today received a finding by the British

00:31:05.200 equivalent of the CRTC called Ofcom that he was in contravention of their content, their on-air

00:31:11.920 policies, because when he was hosting a show formerly on GB News, he had a discussion and he

00:31:17.620 looked at some of the official data and pulled out some information about boosters. And they said

00:31:23.800 that it was in violation of their policy on, it was not misinformation, but it was on harm.

00:31:30.160 So he potentially harmed the audience by not having an alternative perspective to him taking

00:31:35.960 a skeptical view of the boosters. And I mean, the position that I take on this, and I'm, you know,

00:31:41.780 a relative nobody in the United Kingdom, but my position I take on this is that he was the

00:31:46.840 opposing perspective, is that we've only had the official narratives for the last three years. So

00:31:51.960 when someone gets on TV and starts challenging that, why do they need to then entertain the

00:31:57.440 very official narrative that they're shredding apart? We're in the midst right now of the great

00:32:03.620 walk back. People that pushed these horrendous policies over the last few years are just quietly

00:32:09.760 backing off and hoping we forget about it. Hoping we forget about the segregation. Hoping we forget

00:32:15.160 about the divisiveness. Hoping we forget about how they denied people the fundamental right

00:32:20.200 to visit their family, to get on a plane, to cross the border. People forget. They just want

00:32:26.120 us to forget to move on from that. The calls for pandemic amnesty and the like. And there are a lot

00:32:32.060 of people in this country who understandably are not willing to just move on. They are not willing

00:32:37.500 to forget. But it's why I'm particularly note, I take note when the government does what this

00:32:43.440 nasty report is doing, which is just sort of backing off that, yeah, you know, maybe you just

00:32:47.680 don't need your booster every six months until the end of time maybe you can skip this one

00:32:51.700 and i suspect in the fall they'll just conveniently forget to update this report

00:32:55.600 and we will never have the full recognition that they got it wrong we've got to end things there

00:33:01.160 my thanks to all of you for tuning into the show if you want to keep the discussion going in the

00:33:05.720 comments please do we'll have more of canada's most irreverent talk show on wednesday thank you

00:33:10.800 god bless and good day to you all

00:33:12.680 Thanks for listening to The Andrew Lawton Show.

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Juno News - March 06, 2023

What does Trudeau know about Beijing’s interference？ (ft. Pierre Poilievre)

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