Juno News - January 31, 2025


What exactly does Jagmeet Singh want？


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00:00:00.000 yeah rachel usually you you have the nicest setup out of all of us but uh you kind of downgraded
00:00:05.280 today what's going on there i'm i'm broadcasting to everyone live today from a cave no i'm in a
00:00:11.600 cabin um out west in the mountain so fortunately not a very glossy scene for me today you look
00:00:19.280 like you're on the set of a david lynch film i don't know if you guys have seen twin peaks
00:00:25.040 the late david lynch unfortunately he passed away we're not as cultured as you yeah no i'm like
00:00:31.760 twin peaks david lynch no none of these things i hope somebody in the audience gets the reference
00:00:36.000 at least i feel like the audience probably will definitely get the reference you might
00:00:39.440 have aged yourself a little bit though i'm also technically at a family thing right now so you
00:00:45.120 hear some like pitter patter of feet running in the background or you get you know some hearing
00:00:49.760 some babies screaming that's why but i just cared about the audience so much you know i had to make
00:00:54.080 sure i was here today to to give them the friday fun news so let's get it started
00:01:04.080 hey everyone welcome back to off the record i will be your host today rachel parker i am joined by my
00:01:10.960 colleagues isaac lamoreau host of the alberta roundup and cosmon georgia who is host of the daily
00:01:18.240 free that's what's called right the morning yeah i haven't done it in a while
00:01:25.360 all the uh all the like moms out there will will relate which is like a good portion of our audience
00:01:30.000 you just don't remember things anymore after you have kids so it's been another spicy week in canadian
00:01:35.840 politics i feel like we're kind of at the point now with you you write a story or you produce a podcast
00:01:41.840 episode you publish it and like an hour later you're like oh the news is out of date and no one
00:01:47.600 wants to watch this now because um something more spicy happened with the tariffs or in the case of
00:01:53.120 you know the state there's obviously that crazy um helicopter and plane crash it's like people are
00:01:57.680 pretty focused on that but we know that our canadian audience really loves and appreciates some canadian
00:02:02.560 news and there's obviously not a lot of independent media out there doing what we're doing so we
00:02:07.840 we wanted to bring you guys some updates this week from ottawa starting off with your favorite i'm
00:02:14.560 kind of torn if people dislike jagmeet singh or christia freeland more i think actually probably
00:02:19.760 jagmeet singh is even more disliked um he's saying things again all of it essentially meaningless but
00:02:26.240 you know he's been kind of waffling on what he's going to do with the federal government is he going
00:02:31.280 to continue to prop them up after we see this liberal leadership race i will also see a new prime
00:02:36.160 minister or is he still going to bring the government down early and now he's essentially
00:02:42.000 saying because of the tariffs that are supposed to be rolled out tomorrow he's saying that the
00:02:46.880 liberals need to read call parliament the parliament's return so they can pass a suite of pandemic style
00:02:53.920 relief packages for workers so he's saying he's insisting that the government returns to pass you
00:03:00.640 know billions of dollars of spending to support workers like we saw during the pandemic
00:03:05.520 the type that crippled our economy which it still has not recovered from the type that would just
00:03:09.600 simply devalue the canadian dollar even further i had economist jackman's on my podcast the rachel
00:03:16.080 parker show earlier this week and he said what we're going to see the effect of these tariffs is
00:03:19.760 it's going to further devalue the canadian dollar and in addition if the federal government does pass
00:03:25.040 pandemic-like measures that will even more devalue the canadian dollar so i know everyone at home
00:03:29.280 you're wondering didn't actually realize i could be more poor than i currently am but it sounds like
00:03:34.240 we will all be even more poor very soon so i'm just going to let you hear jagmeet out of the horse's
00:03:38.960 mouth directly here's what he had to say about what he wants liberals to do and while the liberals
00:03:43.520 seem more focused on themselves i have a specific message to the liberals if you're serious about
00:03:49.680 supports workers i'm demanding that the liberal government call back parliament let's put before
00:03:56.000 parliament a package to protect workers support workers that are impacted by these tears and to
00:04:01.680 support communities the workers behind here for sue saint-marie sue saint-marie is a community in a
00:04:07.280 in a city that could be hard hit by these tariffs so let's stand up for the sue let's stand up for
00:04:12.800 all communities across canada they're going to be hard hit by the tariffs and let's put in place
00:04:17.280 supports before the worst happens so i'm calling on the liberal government to recall parliament bring
00:04:23.920 parliament back let's pass legislation that supports workers because we're going to have an election in
00:04:29.440 the spring nothing changes around that we are going to be voting down the government in march
00:04:34.000 but there's still two months the liberals think that they can wait two months before they bring
00:04:38.640 in legislation they are wrong that would allow workers to suffer for two months that is not the
00:04:44.400 right way to do things so i'm calling on the liberals recall parliament put forward protections
00:04:50.000 for workers before parliament let's get the opposition leaders together obviously we need
00:04:54.320 to support that kind of package and then let's have an election in the spring first and foremost
00:04:58.560 the liberals are not planning on returning back to parliament to pass these measures they have said
00:05:04.320 that they would like to pass support for workers at some point but they are not looking to
00:05:08.960 go back to parliament earlier to do that so is you know we already know the answer of what he's asked
00:05:13.520 but the thing that really caught my attention there is he says we are going to have an election in the
00:05:18.080 spring so he's still saying you know i'm going to bring down the government we're going to have an
00:05:21.440 early election this spring but also you liberals i want you to do this it's sort of like he's already
00:05:27.440 ruined his argument typically you know you have kind of the carrot and the stick argument where
00:05:30.320 he's saying look if you do this for me then i'll continue to prop up your government that's
00:05:34.000 what he's been doing for the last few years is saying oh well you know the liberals are helping
00:05:38.560 me out with dental care so but if they don't do this if they don't do that i'm going to bring
00:05:42.240 down the government but now he's asking them to do something that they don't want to do
00:05:46.080 and he's not even promising them to continue propping up the government so i'm not quite
00:05:50.160 sure what type of politicking he thinks this is i don't know what he's hoping to achieve here it
00:05:55.200 doesn't even seem like you know it doesn't even seem like a adequate game plan but cosmon maybe i'm
00:06:00.080 missing something what's your take well jagmeet singh talks a lot about supporting workers and the
00:06:08.560 number one thing to do to support workers in this situation is to avoid tariffs altogether
00:06:14.880 because auto sector for example is going to be hard hit we know trump wants to maybe perhaps
00:06:21.600 completely cut off uh auto imports from canada and jagmeet singh thinks that somehow workers want
00:06:29.040 handouts instead of being able to go and earn a dollar at their work and and a dollar that's not
00:06:35.920 devalued so the number one thing jagmeet singh should be doing is advocating for a way to avoid
00:06:43.360 these tariffs but he's not he wants to go back to these huge pandemic bailouts that ended up actually
00:06:50.160 costing people more than it it actually saved them and the the difference is that with the pandemic at
00:06:57.040 least that was a time when all countries were engaging in bailouts if we do it now we're going to
00:07:02.080 be you know maybe it's us in mexico and that it's going to be a huge problem there's no it's not a
00:07:07.600 level playing field and there's only so much you can do to offset the cost of tariffs what are they
00:07:14.640 going to continue this on forever it's it's ridiculous it's not a way to approach the problem
00:07:20.080 and it's not they they need to have they need to think about problem solving and the number one problem is
00:07:26.320 how can we prevent these tariffs from taking place because they're not in place right now
00:07:30.880 they could be in place by tomorrow uh but they they we need to seriously sit down this is like
00:07:37.280 last minute negotiating stuff and instead he's talking about bringing a bill that could cost
00:07:43.440 billions and billions of dollars at a time when the government is actually running out of money and
00:07:48.320 what i we spoke about this a little before what doesn't make sense to me is that when government
00:07:53.680 returns they need to have a supply bill and that will be the first confidence vote there's how are they
00:08:00.320 going to pass a multi-billion dollar you know omnibus bill that could you know have sweeping
00:08:06.960 effects on the economy when they don't even have money to fund the operations of the government
00:08:13.920 you raise a really good point there that is one of the most comical things like i always say
00:08:18.480 in this type of scenario you kind of have to laugh even though it's going to be pretty devastating
00:08:22.240 for us and people but with this government i've learned you know andrew clavin his shtick is
00:08:26.080 kind of like laugh along with the fall of the republic i feel like i've really taken that on
00:08:29.680 you have to find comedy in the sad things that our government is doing real quickly become a very
00:08:34.160 bitter and jaded person but essentially what we're seeing in parliament is we're seeing mps and leaders
00:08:40.400 running around with their heads on fire saying we've tried everything we've tried everything we
00:08:43.840 need to get support for workers when in reality they've tried nothing justin trudeau and his caucus
00:08:48.800 couldn't even be bothered to show up at trump's inauguration to show you know support for the new
00:08:54.000 incoming president as you should do even if they're not politically aligned with you especially
00:08:58.240 in a situation like canada's currently in where we need donald trump to start to see canada in a
00:09:02.800 new light we need to see him he needs to see us favorably to avoid these tariffs they haven't done
00:09:07.280 any of the things that they could have done to get those negotiations going and it seems so natural
00:09:13.280 that their first response would be to say well let's spend more money because that's going to help
00:09:17.760 fix the problem what do you think isaac yeah no uh the the you know watching that clip the number one
00:09:23.440 thing that struck me is the make-believe timeline let's call it that singh is uh referencing which
00:09:30.080 makes no sense because he's saying there will still be an election in march but the only reason that the
00:09:34.880 election was going to take place then is because that's when parliament is prorogued to so therefore
00:09:40.000 if you call back parliament early to pass this bill as he's requested the the march date kind of
00:09:45.440 falls to the wayside he could just vote non-confidence immediately so that makes no sense uh but there's
00:09:51.600 another key date of march obviously singh qualifies for his pension in february so there you go uh and
00:09:59.440 then just speaking on the tariffs briefly um it was of course conservative house leader andrew sheer who
00:10:06.000 previously highlighted that canada would not be in the position it's in right now if singh stuck to
00:10:11.040 his word when he ripped up ripped up the supply and confidence agreement with the liberals of course
00:10:16.800 after doing that singh has voted with trudeau 11 times and since the 2021 election uh the ndp has
00:10:23.280 voted confidence in the government 286 times so we we know that him ripping up the supply and confidence
00:10:28.560 agreement was nothing more than a theatric act but i mean the the whole the whole march timeline just
00:10:35.920 makes no sense to me because as i said uh that only has to do with parliament being prorogued until then
00:10:40.480 because you brought up theatrics isaac i want to turn our attention to a foreign interference story
00:10:47.360 so we have been hearing for a very long time that there's a number of traders up in ottawa and this
00:10:53.040 week a new report that was released raises more questions than it does answers isaac i believe you
00:10:59.200 have the information for us what exactly is going on here and is this just another example of theatrics in
00:11:04.320 ottawa yeah rachel it is and this report coming to light make absolutely no sense of course i was
00:11:11.280 reading through this report and i report i reported on it myself but somebody is lying that's what this
00:11:16.560 report is showing because based on all the conflicting evidence that's been presented someone has to be
00:11:22.560 lying two of opposite things cannot be true at once because of course prime minister justin trudeau and
00:11:28.720 other leaders have lashed out at conservative leader pierre polyefra for not reading the report
00:11:33.920 because uh they said you need to read this report individuals are named they could be in your party
00:11:38.560 you don't know how to deal with them appropriately if you don't read the report but then justice hoag
00:11:44.480 tabled this report and said no individual parliamentarians were named therefore those
00:11:49.440 two truths cannot be true at once because if you were to find the the names of these people through
00:11:54.400 the report they'd obviously be named in the report but here hoag tabled this report after 18 months
00:11:59.600 of uh extensive research she said and she said that no parliamentarians were named so that doesn't make
00:12:06.240 much sense and then she also contradicted another claim in saying that nobody uh was working in bad
00:12:14.640 faith so her report directly contradicted the uh nsicop report and i don't really know how to
00:12:22.800 take that all in because uh like like i said you can't have two conflicting truths at once guys i mean
00:12:28.640 what should canadians take away from this report being tabled here so just to make sure we have
00:12:34.320 everything kind of down correctly there's a lot of moving pieces here there was 11 mps i believe that
00:12:39.360 we were told there was 11 mps that were traitors that had taken money from foreign and adversarial
00:12:45.280 governments to help in their nominations or in their election campaigns and you know for months now
00:12:51.360 we've been hearing from leaders like justin trudeau that there's traitors in parliament we heard
00:12:55.920 specifically from trudeau that he knows of conservative mps who were embroiled in the scandal
00:13:02.080 and canadians were told that we would not be given the names of those traitors in parliament
00:13:06.400 now we have this report from justice hoag and she's saying there's no traitors in parliament no one was
00:13:13.360 embroiled in scandals and canadians i think thought we were going to be receiving answers from this
00:13:18.000 report and now we're looking at it trying to decide who is actually the ones lying and i just want to
00:13:23.840 really show the juxtaposition of what's happening here um and we have it in the clips of the leaders
00:13:28.640 basically you know saying there's traitors in parliament so take a look at this i have the names
00:13:34.480 of a number of parliamentarians former parliamentarians and or candidates
00:13:40.240 in the conservative party of canada who uh are engaged or at high risk of or for whom there is
00:13:54.240 clear intelligence around foreign interference mps that are involved wittingly or unwittingly are they
00:14:00.080 traitors to canada uh what they're doing is unethical uh it is in some cases against the law and it is
00:14:07.600 indeed uh they are indeed traitors to the country certain uh and i described it initially as fewer
00:14:15.280 than a handful of current members of parliament have allowed themselves and again going back to
00:14:22.480 the original comments from thesis semi-wittingly or this one or wittingly allowed themselves to become
00:14:30.880 compromised so there we have green party leader elizabeth may although i think she's technically not
00:14:36.400 the leader anymore although she was kind of still doing it and chasing out everyone who else tried
00:14:40.320 so really not actually entirely sure what her title is with the party anymore but we've got we've got
00:14:45.520 jagmeet saying and we've got justin trudeau all saying that there are traitors in parliament
00:14:49.440 were they all just lying what's your take cosmon so the fundamental problem we need to talk about here
00:14:56.480 is when we start discussing secret lists politically it becomes a vehicle to essentially accuse your
00:15:05.760 opponents of being on that list anybody could be on that list and from day one i've been saying just
00:15:12.480 make it transparent release the report i would prefer that they release the full report with everything
00:15:18.720 unredacted but you know innocence until proven guilty they could have released the report with the
00:15:25.680 names if there are any names on it redacted and we could have at least seen what they are talking about
00:15:31.920 and the public could at least make a judgment and press further if there's actually names on that list
00:15:37.680 but that wasn't the case we spent how many months discussing this issue we've had inquiries you know
00:15:44.160 committee hearings we've wasted so much time to come to the what conclusion the hoag report does not dispel
00:15:52.480 any unease that canadians have it doesn't actually put their minds at rest and if the case is
00:15:59.760 as justice hoag says that there are no names on this list and it's not it's not as bad as uh the media
00:16:07.920 and the ccis reports and the government has claimed then why wasn't it released in the first place why didn't
00:16:14.240 she come to the conclusion at the end of her report that because of what you know our investigation our
00:16:21.760 our inquiry into this matter i recommend that this report be released to the public for the sake of
00:16:28.160 transparency but that's not the conclusion she makes she just accepts expects the public to accept
00:16:34.880 what she's saying as the truth but like i said this doesn't settle the matter and we're entering into
00:16:40.640 an election where the possibility of foreign interference could very well be real not only
00:16:45.600 in the general election at the ballots but also in the liberal leadership uh election we they've adjusted
00:16:52.800 some of their rules but that doesn't mean that the process can't be manipulated or influenced by foreign
00:16:59.360 actors one last thing i wanted to add if before we finish uh on the story on the report is that uh
00:17:06.960 justice hoag concluded the report with 51 recommendations and we had written an article
00:17:12.640 on that clayton did i think about some of the recommendations if you wanted to go read that and
00:17:16.800 one that i found interesting was the 31st recommendation which was a subset of eight
00:17:22.160 recommendations one of which was that only canadian citizens and permanent residents should be allowed to
00:17:27.520 vote in nomination hearings and in leadership contests so i thought that was a key takeaway from one of
00:17:33.040 the recommendations and by the way she said that all of these recommendations the 51
00:17:36.880 that she provided could be implemented before the next federal election one other interesting thing
00:17:43.200 that i just wanted to add was we saw that clip there of you know all the party leaders and
00:17:48.000 noticeably absent was conservative party leader peer polyev he has come under intense criticism over the
00:17:54.480 last number of months for refusing to read the report that would have told him about the traitors
00:18:00.080 in parliament that now we're hearing apparently don't exist some people have been saying you know
00:18:04.480 that he was not actually eligible for the security clearance that he would have required to read
00:18:09.600 that report and that was sort of used as a bad faith attack against him i can't help but think that
00:18:14.960 he look he's coming out of this looking the best he's coming out of this as the only party leader who's
00:18:20.160 not absolutely eating his words right now and i think he's actually been quite absolved in the last
00:18:25.840 number and since this report has been released because every other party leader has come out saying
00:18:30.400 something that now we have a justice who spent as you said isaac 18 months studying this saying
00:18:34.880 there's no traitors in parliament and so all these other party leaders are going to have to answer for
00:18:39.200 what they said and answer as to whether they lied or how they made such an intense and and and and
00:18:45.600 grievous error and polyev kind of just gets to walk away from the whole issue and maybe point at the
00:18:50.000 other comments people made so just wanted to throw that in there as well because as i said he was noticeably
00:18:54.640 absent from that compilation we showed you i think next we want to move our attention to ontario maybe
00:19:01.280 for those of you who follow ontario politics really closely you weren't surprised to hear this but i
00:19:05.840 think most of us were a little stunned when we learned this week that ontario premier doug ford
00:19:11.280 was going to be sending voters to the polls cosmon can you break this story down for us
00:19:16.240 right sure so uh premier ford asked the lieutenant governor to trigger an election and that's going
00:19:23.440 to be happening pretty soon i think i think it's march if i'm not uh mistaken i don't have the the
00:19:28.560 date right before me but he's essentially been hinting at this he's wanted to trigger an election
00:19:34.720 and his justification to do this is of course the trump tariffs even though he still has about two years
00:19:41.360 left of his mandate he claims that we need to have a strong mandate uh the ontario government needs to
00:19:48.960 have a strong mandate from voters to be able to negotiate and navigate through the disaster that
00:19:58.640 is inevitably going to come from a 25 tariff especially for the ontario economy which uh exports
00:20:04.880 a lot of materials and and items and services to the united states particularly the auto sector so he's
00:20:12.400 spoken about this he's had a press conference discussing the election and his reasoning behind
00:20:18.560 that and we'll just throw to that first clip here help ontarians understand this so your government
00:20:24.960 your cabinet has already passed an economic action plan but you are now about to trigger an election
00:20:31.440 asking people for support to support an economic action plan how does how does that work and what
00:20:37.200 is in that plan can you can you break it down for us i can't say we we triggered that uh first of all we
00:20:43.280 we want to move forward and and make sure that we give certainty right now president trump has put
00:20:50.080 uncertainty has put uncertainty to every single canadian a lot of other countries around the world and this
00:20:57.440 isn't going to happen overnight it's not may not happen february first i'm sure something's coming but this
00:21:04.400 is going to be a battle for the next four years and i want to make sure that i have an out uh make
00:21:10.320 sure i have a strong mandate to outlast president trump uh and again i i can't stress this enough
00:21:18.160 how ceos in our country are concerned which we've been meeting with but it's really a team canada
00:21:24.240 approach all premiers are working together collaboratively i'll be going on a cough meeting
00:21:30.720 uh right after i i leave here during the day and uh we're just going to be united to protect canadians
00:21:37.920 and ontarians jobs or so i posted this on x i never thought that in the year 2025 i would hear a party
00:21:46.560 campaigning on just like we did during the pandemic it all seems like a fever dream or a bad deja vu because
00:21:55.360 uh if you recall here in bc we had a similar situation where a government essentially sought
00:22:03.120 a strong mandate in the middle of the pandemic that was its own crisis and here we have ford
00:22:09.200 hearkening back to the pandemic is this gonna win him any votes this line of messaging or do you think
00:22:16.640 well will he just drop this because i i don't think that that statement just like we did during the
00:22:22.960 pandemic is very popular or brings back a lot of good memories for voters rachel well a couple thoughts
00:22:31.920 that i have first and foremost if you said the phrase we're going to do something just like we
00:22:36.480 did during the pandemic in alberta you would be absolutely eviscerated in that election cycle
00:22:42.240 without a doubt i mean the uh ucp here in alberta is essentially still still paying penance for some of
00:22:48.880 the actions that they did during the coven 19 pandemic and a lot of citizens here are simply
00:22:53.600 not ready to let it go however you have a very different situation politically in ontario one
00:22:58.960 the opposition parties are just totally absent no one is really paying attention to them they don't
00:23:04.000 have a lot of credence they just they seem to have been unable to get anything in motion since kathleen
00:23:09.200 winlep the ndps the liberals they're just you don't hear about them they're not doing anything that
00:23:13.840 people are taking notice of and we're seeing that in the polling i think the uh ontario pc they're
00:23:19.280 forecast to take like over up to 100 seats so it's going to be a super majority for ford
00:23:24.400 um but it's just the question is why is this election needed i don't think anybody is buying
00:23:30.240 the argument that he needs a mandate to act on the terrace i don't believe it i doubt ontarians do
00:23:36.960 listen i always tell people kathleen when i as as our audience knows i'm from ontario kathleen
00:23:42.080 when was the person who made me become interested in politics because i saw how her policies were
00:23:47.040 devastating my community and that was basically through the influx of hydro prices but doug ford
00:23:53.040 is the reason that i left ontario and he's also the reason that a lot of other young people have
00:23:56.560 left the province because as a young ontarian it got to the point where everything was so expensive
00:24:01.600 and there was just nothing really available in terms of good jobs and good housing and good health
00:24:06.960 care and he's the reason i left the province i know that a lot of young ontarians feel that way and i
00:24:11.680 suspect there is a bit of a brain drain impact on the province right now i just don't buy this
00:24:16.880 argument that the election is needed the september 2021 election in ontario cost the province about
00:24:22.160 560 million dollars it's just over 20 per person so this is going to be a huge expense to the
00:24:28.400 province at the same time he's promising billions of dollars in pandemic style funding which has already
00:24:33.280 bankrupted the province ontario isn't so much debt they just don't have money for this ontarians just
00:24:38.560 don't care they're just not that political appetite there for change that you see in other provinces
00:24:43.120 like bc like alberta and so i think he's going to get away with it isaac isaac isaac i just wanted to
00:24:49.600 ask you uh ford has you know he has this message about ontarians need a leader need leadership etc and i i
00:24:58.400 guess he's sort of hinting that it's not coming from the federal government which is true because we
00:25:02.960 we have a lame duck as prime minister but how different are ford's proposals actually from the
00:25:11.200 federal governments because it seems to line up here the the whole pandemic style measures is being
00:25:16.640 floated at the federal level and here we have uh ford floating it at the provincial level as well
00:25:23.120 yeah it seems like ford likes to uh mirror the federal governments when it comes to payouts of course
00:25:29.120 here with the pandemic and then when uh the the liberals had their gst hst proposals ford was
00:25:35.760 uh mentioning that he would do the same thing in the province and by the way i've seen the if we
00:25:40.400 recall the polling from those gst tax breaks it pushed people further away from the liberal party
00:25:45.280 than it did anything to attract them but overall i just have to say ford this is a complete messaging
00:25:50.320 failure on two fronts firstly the pandemic style measures i mean there are lengthy reports on that from from
00:25:59.360 uh parliament that show that i mean these were so mismanaged like serb for example how many uh
00:26:05.680 payments went out to ineligible recipients i mean it's it's in the billions i'm pretty sure if i
00:26:09.760 recall the report correctly like in no way should anyone be saying that they'll do a similar style
00:26:15.840 structure to what we saw with the pandemic style payments that have are still having an effect a
00:26:20.480 negative effect on our economy i don't know why he would say that and then in regard to the mandate
00:26:24.880 thing too ford currently has a majority government in ontario so he has uh 79 seats and for a majority
00:26:31.920 you need 63 so he has a majority and then he's polling at 91 which is also a majority maybe even
00:26:38.240 a super majority i don't know the percentage but what what change in mandate does that give you ford you
00:26:44.160 are going to be in the exact same position you're currently and it's not like his term is ending in
00:26:48.080 a month he has what two years left on his term so i really don't understand the mandate or messaging
00:26:53.440 either it really seems like a communication failure here from ford on those two fronts which are
00:26:58.960 pretty big deals in my opinion
00:27:02.480 i mean i have to say we talk about ford and how bad his messaging is and how much he sucks but like
00:27:07.120 at the same time what he's doing is totally working for him because he keeps on getting reelected and as
00:27:11.920 we've mentioned he's gonna probably get like a super majority in the next government i think that
00:27:16.240 it's bad faith tactics i don't think the ontario people can afford what he's doing but at the same
00:27:21.520 time i think it's gonna pay off for him he's gonna have another four year of a super majority
00:27:25.440 maybe he wants to lock this election and now before people really begin to feel the effect of
00:27:30.640 tariffs on their pocket maybe he thinks hey you know what these tariffs are coming and with donald
00:27:34.800 trump and obviously he could be coming here for four years i do not want to be up at the polls again
00:27:38.480 in two years with the impact of two years of tariffs on the ontario manufacturing industry
00:27:44.480 so let's go to the polls now like i don't think that his obviously he's disingenuous when he's saying
00:27:50.160 i need to get another mandate but at the same time it's it's smart politics and it's working
00:27:55.520 for him at the same time even as wrong as i think it is and certainly you know the people of ontario i
00:28:00.800 have some sympathy for them but like i said there doesn't seem to be any real desire for change there
00:28:05.600 cause but i'll leave you with the last word sure uh with the mandate stuff i assume he's very well
00:28:14.960 aware that once these tariffs come into place and whatever measures pan out there will be a decline
00:28:21.200 in popularity um he might fear that he might not get re-elected following immediately after this
00:28:29.200 this circumstance in this trade war with the united states because everybody's going to take a hit
00:28:35.760 and political measures as they stand are not suitable uh to really counteract the impacts and
00:28:45.040 additionally the debt burden that we could take if we're going to impose pandemic style measures to
00:28:51.600 counter set these tariffs is going to be huge and that's not going to sit well with the average voter
00:28:57.200 very well said well everyone thank you for joining us on this friday i hope you guys have a great
00:29:04.080 weekend and don't forget that everything you heard today was off the record
00:29:13.520 you guys want to hear a funny anecdote just last weekend i had a friend uh who lives in ontario and he
00:29:19.680 was an electrician like a practicing electrician fully licensed and he just moved to the united
00:29:25.840 states yeah that's awesome yeah like people just went down 30 percent people uh people kind of get
00:29:33.840 upset like in ontario and they're like what do you mean like rachel like i want things to change to be
00:29:37.520 different it's like well the like efforts from like the conservatives i don't mean the pcs but like the
00:29:42.160 actual conservatives to organize has been pretty abysmal they just seem to not be able to work
00:29:47.040 together so we have ford and i mean they also have the gta so they're probably pretty screwed either
00:29:53.120 way rachel you mentioned that ford might not win in two years if we had to face the terrace for two
00:29:57.920 years i mean we will have much bigger problems if we are subject to those tariffs for two years
00:30:02.240 polyefra already said 25 of canadians living in poverty and we know we've seen the data too on
00:30:07.920 how close people are to being on that edge of poverty if those tariffs come in i mean that
00:30:12.800 number could double we trust me we have much bigger concerns than that election if those tariffs
00:30:17.840 do come through and last for an extended period of time the thing with ford that i've kind of suspect
00:30:24.240 that mimics the federal liberals is that he has a very very good like ground game when it comes to
00:30:32.240 campaigning and the infrastructure he has in ontario like with ford fest and like all the support he can
00:30:39.440 get is is really really like impressive and it's hard there's just no compare i don't think the ndp and
00:30:46.160 liberals are anywhere close to matching that ground game and the federal liberals also have that or like
00:30:52.640 traditionally do but they're this like polit it's just the political circumstance they're in i don't
00:30:59.040 think it's gonna alleviate the amount of distaste that people have for them