Juno News - What is going on with Mark Carney？

00:00:00.000 I'm pleased today to be joined by Clyde Nichols and Marty

00:00:06.680 Boulanger, two of my favorite podcasters, Canadian content

00:00:10.920 creators. So Clyde is known as Clyde Do Something Online. He's

00:00:14.340 an auto mechanic by day and a political commentator at night.

00:00:17.880 And then Marty goes by Marty of North. He's been a professional

00:00:21.660 engineer by training for over 40 years. And I guess he's now a

00:00:26.120 podcaster. So gentlemen, thank you so much for joining the show.

00:00:30.000 Yeah, happy to be here. Actually, Clyde and I were, it feels like me

00:00:35.580 and Clyde just got off his show. We were on till what last night,

00:00:38.240 midnight or something like that.

00:00:39.540 Far too late, far too late. Lost a podcast in this country. That's

00:00:43.140 why we're on. I mean, there's like 2025 is off to a crazy start.

00:00:47.580 It certainly is. And it seems like, you know, things change like

00:00:52.260 every day, like some days I feel like, okay, Polyev has taken back

00:00:55.860 control of the narrative, and he is leading things and he's doing

00:00:58.400 really well. And then a poll will come out that shows a liberal

00:01:02.180 majority. And it's like, it's totally every day is something

00:01:07.240 totally different. So let's start with this news that we are

00:01:09.880 seeing from Canadian press and CTV is reporting that Mark Carney

00:01:13.980 will be sworn in as Canada's 24th Prime Minister tomorrow, along

00:01:18.560 with his cabinet. So Carney, Governor General Mary Simon's office

00:01:23.220 has confirmed that the swearing in ceremony of Prime Minister and his

00:01:26.200 cabinet will officially take place at Rideau Hall at 11 a.m.

00:01:30.580 Eastern in Ottawa. So that's that. I mean, there was some rumors

00:01:36.380 circulating that he wouldn't officially be sworn in, that he

00:01:39.120 would call an election right away, or that maybe he would try to

00:01:42.220 prolong his time and do this, do this later. But it looks like it's

00:01:46.660 going to happen tomorrow. Now, I guess the question is, do you think he

00:01:49.760 will trigger an election right away? Or do you think he'll try to govern,

00:01:52.720 try to pull in Jagmeet Singh and continue to maintain some kind of a

00:01:57.160 coalition? Mario, I'll go to you first.

00:02:00.420 Well, that's the million dollar question. The Liberals definitely got a 0.83

00:02:06.400 bounce in the last little while with him, with their leadership

00:02:09.240 campaign, with him getting chosen. You know, some people question the

00:02:12.780 polls. They always say that the polls are paid for. Sure, they're paid for,

00:02:16.940 but they do show a trend. And I do believe that the Liberals have narrowed

00:02:22.640 that gap in the popular vote. So I think and I think Trump or sorry, Trump, I

00:02:27.780 think Carney's a one trick pony myself. I think he's he's being paraded as an

00:02:33.420 economist, you know, with a resume, you know, Bank of Canada, Bank of England.

00:02:37.040 So he's a one trick pony. You can see that because they're not making him

00:02:41.120 speak on other issues. He's not talking about whatever social issues or anything

00:02:45.500 like that. So because he's a one trick pony and he's getting a boost from Trump

00:02:50.680 right now, he needs to strike while while the polls are hot. And I think he's

00:02:55.060 going to I hope he misreads the polls and I hope he calls an election. And I think

00:02:58.780 he will. I think he'll call an election because because if he delays this for too

00:03:03.680 long, waiting till October, let's say that six months where he'll have to come in

00:03:09.700 front of the press and answer questions and talk about his his real policies, other

00:03:13.800 than just the Trump tariffs. And I think on that he'll flounder. So he he'll call

00:03:18.980 it an election. That's my that's my bet.

00:03:22.260 What do you think?

00:03:23.360 I don't think he can hang on to this for too much longer because the longer the

00:03:26.860 longer he hangs on to it, the more fuel that Pierre Polyev will have in debates

00:03:31.480 and just in campaigning against him. He did run on the promise of getting rid of the 0.90

00:03:37.020 consumer carbon tax. Now he can do that day one as he's sworn in. The PMO doesn't

00:03:41.980 have to go to the parliament to request this. He can just make the carbon tax zero

00:03:48.280 percent. You can do that with a stroke of a pen. So this is going to be fodder for

00:03:53.160 him going forward. He probably his best bet would be go into an election. So he

00:03:59.500 doesn't have much time as the prime minister at that. But we don't know. We

00:04:03.940 don't know what he possibly could do. All I know is that Mark Carney was a busy guy

00:04:08.500 with a lot of things on his plate. He didn't do this just to be prime minister

00:04:11.920 for five minutes.

00:04:12.800 Yeah. And just one last thought on this. I mean, if he doesn't call an election, he's

00:04:18.460 going to have to sit in the gallery of the House of Commons. And so, I mean, months

00:04:23.680 of that, of not being able to himself answer the questions from Pierre, I think

00:04:29.480 that would be disastrous for him.

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00:05:14.640 you so much. Back to the episode.

00:05:17.000 I think you're right. Like, I think that the more that Canadians see and learn about Mark

00:05:21.100 Carney, the less appealing he is. Like, I don't know any Canadian that's sitting around 1.00

00:05:25.220 like, do you know what we really need? A globalist banker who has all of this experience

00:05:29.280 in like transnational corporations, moving companies out of Canada, investing in like

00:05:34.060 our competitors and opposing basically our main industry in Canada. Well, I think

00:05:39.160 Carney also as a retail politician, he doesn't really have a lot of experience. And the more

00:05:43.160 that we see him out in the field and interacting with regular Canadians, the more out of place 1.00

00:05:48.040 he seems. So he was in Hamilton yesterday at a steel plant. And he just looks silly. Like,

00:05:53.660 this is totally like Mr. Dress Up 2.0. We can show some images. So the front row there are the

00:05:59.040 liberal, like his liberal team, I guess. And they're all dressed up as if they are steelworkers.

00:06:03.540 The steelworkers are behind them. But then when he's giving his speech, the steelworkers are gone. And

00:06:09.080 those are all just liberal MPs behind him, all dressing up, pretending, I guess, that they're

00:06:14.040 blue-collar working Canadians. And his speech that he gave was sort of less than inspiring. He was

00:06:19.120 umming and ahhing his way through. It kind of actually made Justin Trudeau seem articulate in

00:06:23.980 comparison. We have a little clip of him speaking from Hamilton yesterday.

00:06:30.040 We are ready to sit down with the Americans, with the U.S. government. I'm ready to sit down

00:06:36.260 with President Trump at the appropriate time, under a position where there's respect for Canadian

00:06:43.640 sovereignty.

00:06:44.200 So I don't know that he's a very clear communicator. I don't think he's had a lot of

00:06:50.300 experience. I mean, he's never been elected for anything ever. He's never been a member of

00:06:54.280 parliament. And so he's not really tested. I think it's a huge risk for the liberals to just like

00:06:58.940 draw him into an election. But then on the other hand, you know, I think that the media will cover

00:07:03.460 for him. The media will paint him like a competent hand steering us through rocky times. And so he

00:07:09.660 I don't know how to do that much.

00:07:11.040 Yes and no. I mean, one thing that's already happened just in the last five days since he

00:07:16.160 was elected is the number of old clips of him that are showing up. They weren't showing up during the

00:07:21.160 campaign because the liberals weren't going to bring him up. And the conservatives weren't actually

00:07:25.140 bringing them up on purpose. I think now that he's the leader now, now it's being unleashed. So

00:07:30.800 old videos of him saying all sorts of things like, you know, how he feels about the carbon tax,

00:07:36.260 the true, the true carny. So that's coming out. As for that meeting yesterday, that, that,

00:07:41.600 that, you know, he was, he purposely picked that steel mill because again, some of his earlier

00:07:47.580 comments on steel, like he literally made a comment about a month ago during the campaign

00:07:52.360 that, uh, I'm going to, I'm going to transfer the carbon tax away from consumers, put it on

00:07:57.360 big producers. Somebody brought up steel. And then he says, well, people don't use steel

00:08:01.360 anymore. So he was trying to backpedal that. And that's what we saw yesterday.

00:08:05.440 Hey, and the other part of yesterday is he sneaks in and out. Like even, even the media

00:08:12.140 can't get to, can get to him. They're, they're still sheltering him from the media. They don't

00:08:16.380 want him answering off the cuff questions because he has no answers or he'll tell the truth, which

00:08:21.720 is very problematic.

00:08:23.940 Yeah. I mean, we, we know what you really believe is because he hasn't been shy about

00:08:27.800 it. And like, you know, you're talking about how he was, uh, there are old clips circulating

00:08:31.980 of him saying stuff. It's not like they're even that old. It's like things from a month

00:08:35.760 ago or two months ago or three months ago where he's saying that we need a shadow carbon

00:08:39.580 tax. So, you know, he's saying, let's get rid of the carbon tax because nobody likes it

00:08:43.900 and it is divisive.

00:08:44.660 We know how he feels. He wrote a 600 page book and, and one of his values apparently

00:08:50.120 is to be modest, but while being modest, he's touting his 600 page book.

00:08:54.240 Right. And, and, and yeah, and, and in there, he talks about like the urgent need to implement

00:09:00.000 all kinds of regulations and taxes in the economy to basically shut down fossil fuels

00:09:05.240 or at least like, uh, reduce our, uh, dependence on them. And so we know what he really believes.

00:09:11.140 I think to me, the question is whether or not the media is going to push this guy, whether

00:09:16.580 we're going to have a, like the, the true role of a media, which is to try to, you know, push

00:09:22.020 the people in power, get the truth, help Canadians understand who he is. My concern is that the

00:09:27.960 media is so in the bag for the liberals are so dependent on the taxpayer money that the

00:09:31.780 liberals have given them to sustain their industry that they're not going to, it's going to be

00:09:35.460 a walk in the park for Mark Carney. He's never going to be tested. He's not going to be chased

00:09:40.020 and pressed to answer these sorts of questions. The media is just going to take it face value.

00:09:44.820 Okay. He doesn't want to talk about carbon taxes. Uh, let's not press him on that. Let's just

00:09:49.440 move on to something else focused more negatively on Pierre Polyev. Clyde, uh, what do you think?

00:09:54.240 Uh, what's, what do you think's going to happen?

00:09:56.380 Well, I think liberal voters, I mean, the Canadians are voted, they're primed to vote liberal. When

00:10:01.180 we saw they, when ahead of Justin Trudeau stepping down, we had MPs coming to the news and saying,

00:10:07.940 I have my constituents calling me up and saying, I love you. We want to have you as our MP, but if,

00:10:14.740 if Justin Trudeau is the leader, we're not going to vote for you. We're going to switch to the

00:10:17.780 conservatives. As soon as Justin Trudeau stepped down, this is, this is where I think the polling's

00:10:22.140 coming from. I think it's people going back to, uh, you know, sit with their liberal MPs and be

00:10:27.820 happy with that because Justin Trudeau is not the leader. Now, Mark Carney is not going to be any

00:10:31.880 better than Justin Trudeau. He's more of the same. Uh, he's, he's, he's bringing in roughly the same

00:10:36.600 cabinet. I mean, we got the announcement that Marco Mendicino is coming in and same with, uh, David

00:10:41.280 Lamedi. So we are getting a Justin Trudeau 2.0. It's just, they're, they're, they're masking it. And this is

00:10:46.540 something that came up in our live stream last night, uh, that, you know, we have Pierre

00:10:49.880 Polyev with ax, the tax, and we have Mark Carney with mask, the tax, because he's bringing it in.

00:10:55.680 It's just, he's just, he's just making it look like we don't have that by getting rid of the

00:10:59.120 consumer side of it. It's going to be much bigger actually.

00:11:02.020 Yeah. Like, like Clyde's referring to, uh, liberals like, uh, Ken McDonald in Newfoundland,

00:11:06.860 right? He said it two, three times, like my constituents want me, want Trudeau to step down. They

00:11:12.080 didn't say they don't want liberals. They literally said they want Trudeau to step down. And, and,

00:11:15.980 and, and let's face it for the last 157 years, liberals have been in power 70% of the time in

00:11:22.040 this country. I mean, it is our, it is our tendency. We vote liberal. Yeah. I mean, and that's

00:11:29.520 sort of what the latest polls are showing. So I want to jump to the polls. Leger released a poll

00:11:34.700 just over the weekend that found that the liberals and the conservatives are now tied at 37%. And I mean,

00:11:43.520 this is like, this is the, this shows that the, the strong lead that Pierre Polyev had just two

00:11:51.000 months ago, maybe completely gone. Um, the way that this is modeled out is even more terrifying because

00:11:57.420 it shows a clear liberal lead, uh, possibly even a liberal majority government. So it would result in

00:12:04.920 the liberals getting 176 seats, the conservatives 137. And this is what the map of Canada would look

00:12:11.400 like. You can see the greater Toronto area, almost entirely going back to the liberals, Atlantic Canada,

00:12:17.400 again, going back to being red and much more red even throughout the prairies. And so, I mean, this isn't,

00:12:23.400 this isn't some fringe polling company. This isn't Frank Braves putting up liberal propaganda. Leger is

00:12:29.160 the gold standard. They are considered the best pollsters in Canada. And so if this is the position

00:12:33.640 that we now face ourselves, that we now find ourselves in, I think it's a big, big problem

00:12:38.120 and major concern for the conservatives. It's a problem. It's similar to 2021. I mean,

00:12:42.760 in 2021, we all thought we were facing an open net and, uh, and we couldn't, and the conservatives

00:12:47.560 couldn't do it because mostly of, of the mainstream media getting behind the liberals. I just want to

00:12:53.960 say one thing too. I agree that the Leger polls are pretty good, but the other thing, if you believe

00:12:59.160 the election of the, uh, Carney's election results, uh, they put them up on their website and you could

00:13:05.080 go look at them. Carney won all the writings, right? So when you voted in the liberal leadership,

00:13:10.280 your vote was still assigned to the writing where you lived and he defeated Freeland and he defeated,

00:13:16.440 uh, Gould and Bayless in their own writings. And so, um, so liberals came out and they're,

00:13:22.680 they voted for change and, and they're going to try and capitalize on that. So, so that's for me,

00:13:27.480 that's the most interesting thing that I want to look at tomorrow is who made it into Carney's

00:13:33.320 cabinet and who didn't, because that's the tough navigation for him. That's another big factor we

00:13:39.080 overlook. He does have 40 liberal MPs who said they weren't running again. And then because of the

00:13:44.680 leadership race, it did force, uh, partisanship within their group, right? Freeland's a big loser.

00:13:50.760 And then Freeland had a solid 30 or 40 MPs who threw their name behind her. And then, and then

00:13:56.840 Carney had his camp. So he's got to navigate that. And I think he made a weird choice yesterday by

00:14:01.720 choosing Marco Mendocino as his chief of staff to help him do that. But again, there's, there's some

00:14:07.160 really bad blood with Mendocino and the cabinet. So I think we're going to see

00:14:12.360 a divided liberal party emerge from this thing. It's not going to be as united as we think. And

00:14:17.800 that perhaps could be one reason why he might want to delay an election because he's going to,

00:14:22.600 I think he's going to have a divided party. Yeah. A lot of interesting dates.

00:14:26.760 No, when, when Trudeau stepped down on January 6th, he said that part of the reason that he was

00:14:31.560 stepping down was because of these internal divides within his own party. But then if you looked at the

00:14:36.360 liberal leadership results that came out on Sunday evening, it didn't seem like a divided party at

00:14:41.240 all. You know, 85% of the people voting went for Carney. And I think that there is a fact that

00:14:48.440 some 60% of liberal members did not vote. Yeah. Not a, not a divided part.

00:14:53.160 Because they couldn't, but we don't know what happened to those 250,000 potential voters.

00:14:58.840 Not a divided party. You're right. So the statistically the, the, the membership voted for Carney,

00:15:04.680 but a divided, call it a divided cabinet or a divided caucus, call it a divided caucus. Because

00:15:11.400 like I said, the 40, a third of his caucus said they're not running again. And then the other two

00:15:16.840 thirds that are running again, a line behind Carney and Freeland. So he's got that problem to navigate.

00:15:22.760 Interesting. What do you think Clyde?

00:15:23.560 Well, you look at the, at their actual election, we had, they were bulls, like they were bragging

00:15:29.240 about the fact that they got 400,000 new members and somehow they, none of them turned up to vote

00:15:34.120 except 150,000 people. A number of people were disqualified. For what reason? A number of candidates

00:15:39.880 were disqualified. For what reasons? Uh, weren't very, they weren't very forthcoming with all of this

00:15:45.720 information. It doesn't seem like a fair election by any standard. Uh, so I, I think he was, he was

00:15:52.440 selected to be the leader of the liberals. And I think there's some cynicism and that's why, uh, that's

00:15:57.960 why the vote swung so far towards him. Yeah. The election results, if you, if you didn't know what

00:16:03.160 had happened and you just look at the election results, it looks transparent. It looks one-sided.

00:16:09.400 It looks unified. It looks all those things. And the more you look at it, the more it looks suspicious,

00:16:14.440 the more it looks fabricated to, to, to make everybody think that Carney's the guy.

Juno News - March 13, 2025

What is going on with Mark Carney？

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