Juno News - April 13, 2020


When Rollerblading is Illegal


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27 minutes

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191.53348

Word Count

5,357

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27

Misogynist Sentences

9

Hate Speech Sentences

2


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Welcome to another episode of The Andrew Lawton Show. Happy Monday to you all and if you are
00:00:13.920 Christian, happy Easter Monday. Hope you got to enjoy the long weekend in spite of the lockdowns
00:00:20.040 and quarantines and stress and anguish and I hope that not being able to let your kids run outside
00:00:25.220 after they've overloaded on chocolate wasn't too arduous a task for you. My brother and his wife
00:00:31.280 sent a video of their three kids doing their Easter egg hunt and it looked like they were
00:00:35.820 having a grand old time. I was exhausted from just watching the video. I didn't even need to be there
00:00:42.180 to just like have the overload of energy so I hope you were able to if you had kids in the building
00:00:47.720 with you manage your way through that but in all honesty it is very cute when you see kids that
00:00:52.140 are otherwise unfazed by everything that's happening right now able to just go about their
00:00:56.860 day and enjoy their Easter. It was nice to see a lot of friends and family in that boat so hope that
00:01:02.140 was you and hope you were able to do that. It is great to be with you for another week of The Andrew
00:01:06.760 Lawton Show here and a little bit of a different week I think as we're going forward it looks like
00:01:13.180 the daily briefings from Justin Trudeau might be stopping now that Parliament has reconvened a bit.
00:01:18.580 We don't know if he's going to go back to doing a daily briefing or not. He actually took his first
00:01:23.880 day off from doing it on Easter Saturday and then Easter Sunday and Monday he took as complete
00:01:30.960 personal time and I'm not actually going to jump on him as I know a lot of you are going to because
00:01:36.180 he has been going seven days a week doing these press briefings. That's not to say I like everything
00:01:40.800 he's been doing for the other parts of the seven days but you know doing the not briefing thing for a
00:01:47.400 couple of days I don't think is going to hurt the world too too much. I did want to start off on a
00:01:52.480 bit more of a not a personal note but with a personal story because I experienced something
00:01:58.240 last week that added a dimension to this that I hadn't been confronted with yet and I had to go to
00:02:04.260 the bank which is not in and of itself an exceptional thing. I do online banking, I do all of
00:02:09.440 that. I haven't had to go into a physical bank branch is a hard thing to say. Haven't had to go into
00:02:15.060 a physical bank branch for quite some time. Last week I had to, reason why not important, but I was
00:02:21.580 there and just know like I knew that I didn't want to go there but I had to. So I went there and the
00:02:28.820 bank had shut down its hours quite a bit. They had restricted it to really just four hours that they're
00:02:35.040 open now every day and it's in a seniors area, an area where a lot of seniors live. So that doesn't
00:02:41.880 really matter to me but it certainly was the reason that I experienced what I ultimately experienced
00:02:48.020 and like a lot of businesses they had set up these barriers outside the entrance so that before you
00:02:54.260 even get into the location you've had to be sufficiently socially distanced from everyone else
00:02:59.040 in line and what the bank was doing and I think this is typical of all banks. I've looked around a bit
00:03:04.980 and I don't think it was just this one particular institution which I won't name and the people that
00:03:11.300 worked at the bank and there were a lot of them by the way very well staffed were asking everyone
00:03:15.840 in that line what they were there to do and if they were there to do something that could be done
00:03:22.100 online or could be done at an ATM they were not allowed to go into the bank. Now in our case my wife
00:03:29.240 and I we needed to go into the bank so we were allowed in. It was like answer me these questions
00:03:33.540 three you have to answer all the quiz questions before you can get inside but other people in line
00:03:38.800 were not eligible to go inside. Now I want to stress again this is a bank for seniors so when
00:03:45.520 the person who works at the bank or not a bank for seniors but an area that a lot of seniors are in
00:03:49.900 so when someone who's working at the bank says to the 80 year old in the walker you can just transfer
00:03:57.940 that money online you can just check your bank statement online you can do all this online. I'm kind
00:04:03.620 of on team granny here because this is a woman who has never had to do online banking a woman who even
00:04:09.820 though the world has changed around her still goes to this branch every week every month whatever it
00:04:14.820 is and she was actually a bit stressed she wanted to make sure her rent had come out she wanted to
00:04:19.540 see how much money she had left she wanted to withdraw money and I could tell from this very brief
00:04:25.220 exchange that this is a woman who had a fixed income she does not know how much money is in her
00:04:31.200 account unless she sees it and has never had to go through the process of looking this up on this
00:04:37.080 thing called the internet before and there was another woman in front of us as well in the line
00:04:41.640 who wanted to do something that was relatively simple she wanted to transfer money from one account to
00:04:47.080 another and make a withdrawal and they were saying no you have to use the ATM. Now I understand why and
00:04:53.820 I understand that the bank has tried to make it so that their tellers are not exposed and so that
00:05:01.040 they're not creating a risk here but the antidote was if you can do it on an ATM you have to we will
00:05:08.660 help you do it so we'll stand behind you and show you what buttons to press and press and where
00:05:13.420 everything is and all of that and this is where some of the seniors were just digging their heels in
00:05:19.680 a bit because they just don't want to use the ATM they just don't want to it's not that they don't think
00:05:25.200 they can it's they just don't want to do anything new so the solution that's being offered to them
00:05:30.020 is not acceptable to them the bank employees were holding firm and not letting people go in I actually
00:05:35.380 felt bad that I got to go in because there's a part of me that's like for crying out loud you want
00:05:39.840 you know forty dollars out of your account just let me do it and it was actually my wife that had
00:05:45.640 pointed out like imagine if the wrong person is offering to help them I mean we hear all the time
00:05:51.100 about the importance of seniors being protected and seniors and anyone who's vulnerable but
00:05:56.940 especially seniors being protected because it is easy to prey on people through technology who don't
00:06:02.140 understand the technology because they're part of a generation that never had to use it so imagine if
00:06:08.140 they're saying you have to use the ATM and I'm standing behind and they think I'm a good Samaritan I'm
00:06:13.580 like oh you I'll use the ATM for you give me your card give me your pin yeah come on up I'll do it for
00:06:18.540 you and again and it would be in my instinct to do that to help people there are other people that
00:06:24.780 are probably not going to take it with the same approach and not have you know purer motives when
00:06:31.340 they do something like this and that actually breaks my heart knowing that those people are out
00:06:36.140 there and we know this because we see and hear stories all the time about seniors who are financially
00:06:42.220 exploited so I'm not saying that the bank is causing seniors to be financially exploited I'm saying
00:06:48.380 that there is a reason these people go into the teller because that is the form of banking they
00:06:53.260 understand and it's the form of banking they trust and if you force them outside of their comfort zone
00:06:59.260 as this situation is doing you're opening up the door for other problems that fall into that growing
00:07:05.740 growing category of unintended consequences of our COVID-19 response and this isn't about blame
00:07:14.140 it was for me about perspective where I saw this dimension that I had not thought of and I know
00:07:19.820 people are hurting and I know people are suffering and I know people are taking a financial hit
00:07:24.220 and I had and I knew that seniors were hurt by what's happening in the sense of being cut off from
00:07:29.980 the world you know I've heard stories about seniors just being scared terrified to go to the grocery store
00:07:36.380 and they might not have someone they can lean on to call and get groceries for them so I understand
00:07:41.980 all of that but I hadn't thought of this financial exploitation angle and again it could be that I'm
00:07:49.020 aware of a problem that doesn't exist that hasn't happened and I hope that is the case I hope this is
00:07:54.940 not something that does happen but it's you know even if you take away that financial abuse component
00:08:01.340 it still is forcing people that have lived through so much people that have lived through so much
00:08:08.220 to adapt to something that they've managed to avoid up until this point my grandmother passed away a
00:08:14.620 few years ago at the age of a hundred and she knew how the tv works she knew how her landline push button
00:08:22.060 phone worked very little other technology had entered into her life and she was happy with that and again
00:08:30.060 she had I think done a couple of skype calls if someone else just literally held it in front of
00:08:34.380 her so she understood it but you know she never had an email address she never had a cell phone she
00:08:39.180 never needed any of these things and never wanted any of these things and I think her capable package
00:08:44.700 was just the basic one that came and as long as she had her figure skating that was enough and again
00:08:50.700 this is a woman who lived through a war and most of these people that we're talking about now that we see
00:08:56.540 having difficulties in whatever bank or grocery store are people that have lived through wars they've
00:09:01.900 lived through more world events than you could count and they've never had to go down that road of
00:09:11.580 adopting some of these technologies and that's not to say that they shouldn't have I mean there are
00:09:17.660 some people that yes they could have and certainly the atm is one of those things where it's not as daunting
00:09:23.180 as online banking the buttons are right on the screen there but I would like to see a little bit
00:09:28.220 more compassion from re not retailers because I don't think retailers are example are the example
00:09:35.260 here but from banking people like if your banks are open if your tellers are there and but the
00:09:40.940 interesting thing was I didn't take a picture because I would have felt taking a picture of people
00:09:44.940 doing their banking for obvious reasons but the irony is that the congregation around the atms
00:09:51.740 was actually causing there to be more of an unsocially distanced bottleneck than would have
00:09:57.100 happened if people were just allowed into the bank to do their business with the teller and by the way
00:10:00.860 the tellers had screens in front of them there was a table between you and the counter the machine for
00:10:05.580 you to put your card in was like four feet away for actually six feet away from the teller so it's not
00:10:10.700 even like the inside of the bank seemed like all that risky an environment and they were wiping down
00:10:15.740 the the pin pads between things but my goodness like it was actually worse the way that they were
00:10:21.820 proposing was the way around it so I do think that we need to have a level of compassion here and I go
00:10:29.420 back to what has become a theme on this show in the last however many weeks which is the growing divide
00:10:36.220 between the stated intentions of certain things and the unintended consequences and I'm not going to say
00:10:43.740 unintended benefits because they're almost all drawbacks these things and you know the reason
00:10:47.980 we've been talking about this is because the more we go along with this and the further we go
00:10:53.180 the more we're seeing is in that column of hmm we didn't think that was going to happen
00:10:59.260 you know I talked last week about the divide between public order and public health and how a lot
00:11:04.060 of the measures that we see coming from law enforcement across Canada and across the western world
00:11:09.980 more fall into that public order column than public health another case over the weekend
00:11:15.660 an Oakville Ontario family was hit with an $880 fine for the egregious offense of rollerblading in an
00:11:23.660 empty parking lot now this is on Friday good Friday Todd Nelson took his sons Liam Brandon and Dustin
00:11:31.980 to the parking lot of Glen Abbey community center to go rollerblading after 45 minutes a bylaw officer
00:11:38.380 pulled up and told them they had to go the one guy the dad said who are we hurting and he's then
00:11:45.420 apparently was antagonizing by asking who are we hurting now these things you always have to take
00:11:51.260 with a grain of salt because when people say I was just polite and asking a question it could have been
00:11:55.100 they were mouthing off and swearing so I'm not saying the dad's completely innocent on this exchange
00:12:00.540 with him and the bylaw officer because I just don't know but then the bylaw officer said give me your ID
00:12:07.180 the ticket was 750 plus a I think it was like the victim surcharge or whatever even though there are
00:12:12.540 no victims to this crime you have to pay for victims of other of real crimes so $880 for violating the
00:12:18.940 emergency order issued by the Ontario government the closed outdoor recreation centers so again you are
00:12:25.660 at an empty recreation center no one else is there you're with your family you're properly socially
00:12:31.020 distance and the bylaw officer violates the social distance by walking towards you and your family
00:12:37.580 to give you an $880 ticket now interestingly enough the parking lot had no tape or no pylons telling
00:12:45.660 people not to enter I would say it's a fairly safe assumption that if something's outdoor it's not
00:12:51.580 closed off at the same time a friend of mine told me over the weekend that they had I think it was a
00:12:57.100 cousin of theirs that was ticketed for sitting on a park bench sitting on a bench and the ticket was
00:13:03.500 probably in the same range $880 so this is is exactly what we're seeing more of Toronto's like
00:13:11.500 well well you know we think education is important if people don't buy into this if you're saying don't
00:13:17.740 go outside to big parties and don't go to other people's houses for big parties and you're saying
00:13:22.940 you're allowed to go for a walk but you can't go for a roller blade if you go into a parking lot
00:13:27.580 like these things don't make sense there was a family that I saw that found a workaround they are
00:13:33.500 a rock climbing family they like doing all that sort of stuff they decided to just create a rock climbing
00:13:41.180 circuit in their kitchen by the looks of it so if you take a look at the picture I mean this is how
00:13:46.860 people can sometimes rise to the occasion and find solutions even if it is in unlikely places
00:13:53.900 but they decided they were going to just turn their kitchen into a bit of a rock climbing court
00:13:59.980 they are going from counter to counter they're wearing their cables the helmets apparently are
00:14:04.380 just for show and that was the route they went according to this article in the Toronto Star
00:14:10.060 was from the breakfast bar to the opposite counter past the dishwasher under the sink ending with a
00:14:15.020 triumphant summit of the stove but I would not trust my kitchen cabinets for this feat of strength
00:14:23.180 actually I wouldn't trust myself for this feat of strength I wouldn't trust anything about this
00:14:26.860 I would trust the rope but nothing that the rope was holding on to but but this is what's happening
00:14:30.860 if you're not even allowed to go outside then how on earth are you going to get your you know
00:14:36.620 fitness goals in and get your step goals in and do all of this stuff and there was a case in the UK
00:14:42.220 that I found interesting here police told a family to leave their own garden police told a family to
00:14:50.220 leave their own garden apparently they thought that no one was allowed to be outside they apologized
00:14:57.100 they apologized after they told the family which was a family in Rotherham okay you shouldn't I guess
00:15:04.140 have been told not to but the police thought that your front garden was banned and the footage of
00:15:11.340 this encounter was just egregious they said the virus does not stop at your front gardens a thousand
00:15:16.220 people died yesterday a thousand people and this was a gentleman by the name of Daniel Connell
00:15:21.420 who was just playing with two babies three meters from the pavement and police said no now yes they
00:15:27.820 apologize but why I have to point this out is that Rotherham was the hotbed of the migrant grooming gang
00:15:37.420 crisis that we've talked about on the show in the past that I've interviewed Tommy Robinson about
00:15:41.820 Rotherham was where you had police turning a blind eye for years on grooming gangs that were abducting
00:15:49.020 raping trafficking young girls not just teens but but young girls as young as 12 years old and in Rotherham
00:15:56.940 police were like oh we don't want to be seen as Islamophobic and there was a massive inquiry into
00:16:01.180 Rotherham there has been not nearly enough punishment or attention to this but for the
00:16:06.460 longest time police and media were giving no attention whatsoever and in Rotherham the police
00:16:11.980 are going after you for playing in your garden this is what police care about you know my friend
00:16:17.580 Mark Stein has a great line that I think is apropos here police in Britain police everything except
00:16:24.540 for actual crime and we've heard cases in Britain where police have gone after people for so-called
00:16:30.700 offensive tweets they've now gone after people for playing in their garden but you have sex grooming
00:16:35.020 gangs in Rotherham and police are nowhere to be found and this is UK which seems to be a lot more nanny
00:16:43.420 oriented on these things but it's the same mentality in Canada it really is the same mentality that's
00:16:50.220 seeping in here which is why we need to push back against this and this is not about minimizing
00:16:55.820 coronavirus or COVID-19 it's about saying that when public order becomes the priority
00:17:01.580 it's no longer a public health crisis that we're looking at here I mean take a look at this example
00:17:08.140 where Apple and Google have agreed to hand over Bluetooth data and sell data to the government for
00:17:14.380 the purposes of what's called contact tracing so let's say that you are out into the world and a
00:17:19.980 couple days later you start coughing and develop a fever and you test positive for COVID-19 the
00:17:25.820 contact tracing role is about finding anyone that you've had contact with and letting them know so
00:17:32.220 that they can put themselves in isolation and anyone who's been in contact with you can be in isolation
00:17:37.660 so that you're not seeing that exponential growth like you saw from I think it was patient 31 in South
00:17:43.900 Korea now contact tracing is very important I get that it's very difficult it's very resource intensive
00:17:50.300 well what's happening now as of Friday is Apple and Google which own and run the Android and iPhone
00:17:57.500 operating systems are enabling the use of Bluetooth technology to help governments and health agencies
00:18:03.500 reduce the spread of the virus with user privacy and security central to the design now what they'll
00:18:09.740 be doing is allowing you to basically be contacted by your phone if your phone has been near the phone
00:18:18.300 of someone else who tested positive for coronavirus someone else for whom contact tracing is supposed to be
00:18:24.860 done and if you look at this here what's fascinating is that this means the government is using your cell
00:18:32.220 phone data for the public health crisis now yes it's a noble intention but it's not a far cry to get
00:18:38.780 from here to enforcement it's not that difficult to jump from where this announcement takes us
00:18:45.580 to hmm I see six cell phones in the same geographic vicinity that sounds like a violation of the
00:18:51.900 emergency order why don't why don't we just send police down there to check out what's going on
00:18:56.700 no one needs to have six cell phones together right now and to be clear this is police have
00:19:01.980 already said that they don't intend on doing this at some levels other police departments have said
00:19:06.780 they will be using cell phone data so it's not like this hasn't factored into the mix in the first
00:19:13.420 place it's just now you have a deal that seemingly endorses the idea that government should be looking
00:19:19.820 at cell phone data and you know I the one thing that is good about this is it's opt-in and I get that
00:19:26.940 it's being done for your protection but I would caution people to not opt in with as much gusto
00:19:34.860 as you might because you have to accept and basically you have to believe that the stated purpose will
00:19:40.940 never be the final purpose of a program like this like and this goes beyond just oh you're gonna get an
00:19:47.180 amber alert like everyone's been getting in Ontario and I think other provinces have probably done them as
00:19:51.580 well this is actually personal targeted cell phone data your information your location that the
00:19:59.580 government is using for the purposes of tracing the virus and the benefit of this is okay if you're at
00:20:04.940 the grocery store and someone else at the grocery store that same day I had it you're notified but
00:20:10.060 be very careful of what happens with this and I'm not a conspiracy theorist I'm a civil liberties
00:20:15.500 proponent I believe in privacy rights I don't buy into that hole if you have nothing to hide thing
00:20:20.860 because ultimately privacy is not about just whether you have something to hide it's about
00:20:26.220 a far more fundamental value but it's also about looking a couple of steps ahead and what's that old
00:20:33.500 Wayne Gretzky line skate to where the puck is going not where the puck has been I think it was a soccer
00:20:37.900 reference but the whole point is when the soccer puck is going a couple of feet ahead you've got
00:20:43.020 to go there and you've got to know where it's going and don't just play to what's happening now
00:20:49.580 because remember since the very beginning of this the government has been behind the curve the
00:20:53.980 government has continued to follow other things and it's not just about the border but it's about
00:21:01.580 border shutdown travel restrictions emergency wage subsidy aid packages all of this the government
00:21:07.500 has been one place on a Monday on a Wednesday they go a couple of steps further on a Friday they go
00:21:12.300 a couple of steps further so never accept that when you hear something like this and okay but
00:21:17.340 we're taking privacy very seriously that it's going to end there because in a couple of days
00:21:22.060 the infrastructure will have already been set up the infrastructure will already be there
00:21:28.380 and now the purpose is apparently required to go a little bit further so that's why you should never
00:21:34.300 take these things at face value and it's not about distrust in the telecom companies or distrust
00:21:40.860 in the go well it is about distrust in the government but it's about something i think more significant
00:21:47.020 than that which is that if you start to make cell phone data public domain if you start to make cell
00:21:54.620 phone data something that becomes just a switch you flip in response to a crisis my fear is that the bar for
00:22:02.780 crisis is going to get lower and lower we all agree that covid 19 is distinct and it's unprecedented well
00:22:10.780 i shouldn't say we all agree i still get like the coronavirus truthers but most people i think agree
00:22:15.260 that this is a different animal than what we've dealt with in the past what if all of a sudden the
00:22:19.820 government says you know what this flu season this year looks really bad let's uh flip on cell phones
00:22:24.620 uh for contact tracing for the flu and then what happens if it uh goes the other way you know and you
00:22:30.620 keep moving further and further i don't think people are going to necessarily see why that is
00:22:36.540 so dangerous and and that's why i hammer these things as hard as i do because i know there are a
00:22:41.980 lot of people out there and i know many of them who don't understand the importance of protecting your
00:22:47.180 information protecting your identity protecting your property and protecting your rights against the
00:22:51.980 government and the people that do care about these things the people that do get nervous about
00:22:57.660 government overreach and government encroachment and government's malignant alliance with big tech
00:23:02.620 companies the people that do care about these things have to care extra because of all of those
00:23:07.740 who don't care all of those who will just hand over everything if a police officer asks nicely and even
00:23:12.860 if they don't just because they quote unquote have nothing to hide you know i said last week that that
00:23:19.660 kid in uh out calgary or cochran alberta rather who was pulled over because he was in the car with
00:23:24.700 someone else if it weren't a legal requirement to identify yourself because of covid19 i would tell
00:23:31.900 someone who was harassing me for going out for a walk to pound salt if i didn't legally had to and
00:23:37.660 it's not because i don't respect police it's because i i do not respect the application of law enforcement
00:23:45.020 this application to target people for doing things that are actually harming no one that are actually
00:23:51.820 harming no one we've seen stories all over the world right now about how mental health problems
00:23:56.220 are up because when you keep people cooped up it obviously takes a toll on their mind so if someone
00:24:01.180 is going out for a walk someone is going for a skate someone is going to a park of some kind and they're
00:24:06.540 not near anyone they're not you know partying it up like those spring breakers a few weeks back on the
00:24:11.740 beach why on earth would you harass them why on earth would they become the focus of law enforcement
00:24:19.660 efforts and this is not about individual police the police are the ones who are having to respond
00:24:25.500 to i think directions they're getting from higher up and things are a bit better in canada than they
00:24:30.620 are in the uk but my goodness i am not at all going to be one of these people that just rolls over
00:24:38.380 even with a public health crisis when there is no public health benefit to some of these laws that
00:24:44.060 are being enforced so my recommendation is to ignore a lot of these things that don't actually
00:24:51.580 matter that's what society no that's what i i guess law enforcement agencies should be doing these
00:24:56.460 things that don't matter like oh you know a couple of people playing at a park great if the park is
00:25:01.660 packed okay then you can reevaluate you know i had someone comment on this show on the previous episode
00:25:07.900 i think saying well if you don't ticket people now eventually the parks are going to be overloaded
00:25:12.780 i don't like that slippery slope argument because you can actually go after that if that happens if
00:25:20.060 there is a big gathering of people then you can go in and say ah you're breaking the rules now
00:25:24.540 we cut you a bit of slack and you didn't you know the reality for a lot of people here is that they
00:25:30.540 are being conscientious they are being aware they are being cautious they're doing all the things
00:25:35.660 they're supposed to and for the most part i'm convinced they think that they're following the rules
00:25:40.300 by going to a park i mean now that a parking lot of a rec center has apparently been deemed a no-go
00:25:45.260 zone i don't even know if an actual park is allowed in some parts of the country if you can just walk
00:25:51.100 through a park because some people are saying you can walk through but you can't stop so you have
00:25:55.340 to like play that the floor is lava game at every park you go to as long as you don't stop moving
00:25:59.820 as long as you make sure to step on the right spot i mean it's like you're walking through a land
00:26:03.660 mine field now except oh you step this uh two feet to the right now you get a ticket two feet to the left
00:26:08.460 you get a ticket so this is not going to end well the longer this goes on look there was a report in
00:26:15.740 the us that said there could be rolling lockdowns for the next 18 months and we've heard similar
00:26:21.740 numbers in canada this is something that could go as long as two years now it doesn't mean that we're
00:26:27.980 living in the circumstances we're finding ourselves in now for two years if the first wave ends at the
00:26:33.660 end of summer then we all say yay we get to come out and then you know perhaps we're back in
00:26:37.980 come november december but the point is that this will last a long time and if you deny people the
00:26:46.300 right when it is hurting no one and putting no one in jeopardy to go out for a walk you're going to have
00:26:52.620 a lot bigger problems on your table here because it will be about unrest and you're not just containing
00:26:58.220 a virus anymore you're containing social unrest civil unrest people don't trust the government
00:27:03.580 people don't respect the government people don't trust or respect law enforcement all because you
00:27:08.940 didn't want to let them take a walk in an empty park so be very mindful of these unintended
00:27:16.060 consequences of taking a public order approach to what is actually a much greater challenge
00:27:25.180 just a shorter episode today i know it's a holiday and i know it's a long weekend we'll be back in
00:27:29.340 full force on wednesday i guarantee you but my thanks to all who tuned in and all who have written
00:27:34.380 into the show and wished a happy easter my responding message is a happy easter to all of you as well
00:27:40.300 we'll be back in a couple of days with more of the andrew lawton show thank you god bless and good day
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