Juno News - Where does O’Toole stand on vaccine mandates？

00:00:00.000 Does anyone know where Erin O'Toole stands on vaccine mandates? Anyone? I'm Candice Malcolm and

00:00:05.240 this is The Candice Malcolm Show. Hi everyone, thank you so much for tuning into the program.

00:00:13.940 I hope you are enjoying The Candice Malcolm Show. We are doing it every single day, so make sure

00:00:17.760 that you don't miss an episode. And today I want to talk about Erin O'Toole because it struck me

00:00:23.460 the other day that I don't know where Erin O'Toole stands on vaccine mandates. I can't tell from all

00:00:29.620 of his press conferences, all of his communication, everything I'm reading in the media, I have no

00:00:34.180 idea whether he is for or against vaccine mandates. And I'm not saying that facetiously. I am very

00:00:40.400 curious. I would like to know what his position is. The problem is he doesn't know how to communicate

00:00:45.220 it. And the few times where he has sort of been clear, he's gone ahead and flip-flopped and gone

00:00:51.200 back and forth on the issue. So we are seeing the same issue with Erin O'Toole that we saw during the

00:00:56.080 election, which is that we don't really know where he stands because he doesn't really stand anywhere.

00:01:00.920 He kind of changes his position every day, every time he's talking to the media, depending on the

00:01:05.640 way that they're asking the question or whatever is in the news that day, we get a slightly different,

00:01:11.320 slightly modified answer from Erin O'Toole. And because of that, it's incredibly difficult to tell

00:01:16.180 what he believes in, where he stands, where his convictions lie, and what he believes in. And so

00:01:21.060 today we're going to do a bit of a timetable to try to understand where Erin O'Toole stands when it 1.00

00:01:26.900 comes to, in this instance, forcing members of parliament, members of his own caucus, to be vaccinated

00:01:32.420 in order to go to the House of Commons, to participate in our democracy, to represent their

00:01:38.440 constituents, to do the job that they have been elected to do, which is to go to the House of

00:01:42.700 Commons, go to parliament, and represent us. And so we will start this timeline on October 20th,

00:01:49.060 2021, so just a couple of weeks ago. I'm not even going to go into his answers during the campaign

00:01:53.920 because we'd be here all day. Let's be frank. He's given so many different responses, oftentimes

00:01:59.740 contradicting whatever he had just said a day earlier. So we'll start on October 20th, 2021,

00:02:04.740 just a few weeks ago, when this is what we saw in the media. It said conservatives say they're

00:02:09.160 against the decision to make COVID-19 vaccines mandatory for MPs. So the conservatives say they don't

00:02:14.960 think it should be up to a committee of MPs to decide who can and cannot enter spaces on Parliament

00:02:20.340 Hill, though the committee has historically overseen the workings of the House of Commons.

00:02:24.720 And so Erin O'Toole sent out his whip, the conservative whip, Blake Richards, to say that

00:02:29.820 the conservatives opposed the new ruling. The ruling was led by liberals saying that they required

00:02:35.540 all MPs to be vaccinated in order to come to work, to come to parliament. So Blake Richards,

00:02:41.180 the MP, came out and said, nope. He said, while we encourage everyone who can be vaccinated to get

00:02:46.340 vaccinated, we cannot agree to seven MPs meeting in secret, deciding which of the 338 MPs just

00:02:52.320 elected by Canadians can enter the House of Commons to represent their constituents. So again, October

00:02:57.420 20th, conservatives came out and said, nope, we are opposed to this ruling. Well, lo and behold,

00:03:03.100 the very next day, October 21st, Erin O'Toole came out and said the opposite. So here is a Global

00:03:08.820 Mail report. It says, O'Toole says conservatives will respect rulings requiring MPs entering the

00:03:14.200 Commons to be vaccinated. Conservative leader Erin O'Toole says his party will respect the new ruling

00:03:19.460 requiring all MPs who enter the House of Commons precinct to be fully vaccinated, even though some

00:03:24.720 of his MPs have objected to the policy. So Erin O'Toole was over on TVO's The Agenda with Steve Pakin,

00:03:31.640 which is the publicly funded television station in Ontario. I love how having one publicly funded

00:03:38.020 television station isn't enough for Ontario. We have the CBC wasting $1.2 billion a year. And on top

00:03:44.300 of that, we also have TVO. So we have two public broadcasters in Ontario for some reason. Here is

00:03:49.980 Erin O'Toole speaking to Steve Pakin, saying the exact opposite of what Conservative whip Blake

00:03:55.020 Richards said the day before.

00:03:56.280 Your position may be very reasonable, but the Speaker, the Board of the Eternal Economy of Parliament

00:04:00.220 has still said, tough, the O'Toole formula isn't good enough, we need everybody vaccinated.

00:04:06.180 You can't say everybody in your caucus is vaccinated.

00:04:08.780 We can say that we will follow all public health guidance. So Steve, the BOIE and the Speaker have

00:04:14.640 ruled, and we will respect that, of course. We also think, though, that we have to look at

00:04:20.780 not dividing people on this issue. It is difficult to see places where we're seeing people terminated,

00:04:28.540 where in some cases, I think if we work smart and use all tools we have, we could probably

00:04:34.140 avoid these sort of confrontations with just not politicizing vaccinations.

00:04:38.460 So the Speaker has ruled, and we will respect that, of course. So interesting, I heard that

00:04:43.560 the caucus meeting, again, was very heated, that at that caucus meeting, that O'Toole sent

00:04:48.920 Richards out after he didn't want to come out and say it, so he sent his whip out. I'm told

00:04:53.320 that that caucus meeting was very heated, that there are a large number of MPs in the Conservative

00:04:57.500 Caucus who oppose this kind of thing, who don't think that it should be up to, again,

00:05:01.680 a small group of Liberal MPs or Liberal Majority MPs to make this kind of decision to say to

00:05:07.480 Canadians, hey, you just elected a Member of Parliament, but they don't get to actually

00:05:10.480 represent you because they don't, they haven't followed our rules and they haven't jumped

00:05:14.400 through our hoops. So again, that was on October 21st that O'Toole came out and contradicted

00:05:19.260 Blake Richards. Well, then the very next day, October 22nd, O'Toole came out and once again

00:05:24.600 brought more confusion to the issue by changing his position once again. So here we see in

00:05:28.780 the National Post. After saying Tories will respect decision on vaccine mandate for MPs,

00:05:33.860 O'Toole now says it infringes on their rights. So after first saying he will respect the House

00:05:38.860 of Commons Internal Management Committee ruling that MPs need to be fully vaccinated to enter

00:05:42.840 Parliament on Wednesday, Conservative leader Aaron O'Toole now insists the decision fringes

00:05:48.200 upon members' rights. So he says this, while we respect the Board of Internal Economy or BOIE

00:05:55.540 has the jurisdiction to manage the parliamentary precinct, we do not accept that the BOIE has a

00:06:01.320 jurisdiction to infringe on a member's right to take their seat in the House of Commons. That came

00:06:06.160 by way of Aaron O'Toole's spokesperson who said that in a statement on Friday. So on Wednesday,

00:06:12.640 Blake Richards came out and said, nope, we're not going to follow this. On Thursday, Aaron O'Toole

00:06:17.640 came out and said, yep, we are going to follow it. And then on Friday, O'Toole sent a spokesperson

00:06:22.320 out to say, actually, it infringes upon their rights. And so what does that even mean? Where does

00:06:29.440 he stand? Does anybody know? Well, the following week, October 27th, 2021, Conservative leader Aaron

00:06:36.080 O'Toole says MPs who enter the Commons will be vaccinated. This comes to us from the Global Mail.

00:06:41.680 Here it says, Conservative leader Aaron O'Toole said Wednesday that members of his party who

00:06:46.340 enter the House of Commons once Parliament resumes will be vaccinated against COVID-19, but he

00:06:51.360 declined to say how many Conservative MPs have not yet received their shots. Mr. O'Toole told reporters

00:06:56.480 that during a meeting earlier in the day with his caucus, he had put forward a plan for a return to

00:07:01.100 legislative business. Conservative MPs, he said, had agreed to respect and abide by new rules, which will

00:07:07.020 require parliamentarians attending the House of Commons to be vaccinated. However, Mr. O'Toole said

00:07:12.480 the Conservatives will formally challenge those rules. Is anyone else out there confused? A little

00:07:17.920 bit confusing, but I think he's saying that he will challenge the rules, but that the rules in place

00:07:24.000 will be followed so that he is requiring all of his caucus to be vaccinated in order to show up to work

00:07:30.420 on the House of Commons. So again, that came on October 27th. Well, on November 4th, we heard

00:07:36.800 from the rest of caucus, or at least some members of caucus, who simply are not happy with the way

00:07:41.500 that Aaron O'Toole is handling this issue, the way he's communicating with them. I don't blame him,

00:07:45.300 because like I said, it is very confusing. Not trying to be facetious here, but it is very hard

00:07:49.960 to understand where Aaron O'Toole stands. You have to sort of parse through his language. You have to

00:07:55.940 try to understand the spin, cut through the spin to get to the point when he's speaking on this issue.

00:08:01.940 And even then, there's so many mixed messages and so many contradictions and so many flip-flops

00:08:06.020 that at any given moment, it is hard to tell. Well, dozens of Conservative MPs decided to do

00:08:12.020 something on their own, and that is that they created a caucus. Caucus describes a couple of

00:08:16.560 things here. Caucus is the entire group of Conservative MPs. They form the Conservative Caucus,

00:08:21.900 but then within that group, there's often little smaller groups that focus on specific issues. So

00:08:27.440 there might be a pro-life caucus, or a pro-gun caucus, or a lower taxes caucus, or whatever.

00:08:34.700 There's many of them. And so in this instance, a couple of Conservative MPs, well, up to 30 Conservative

00:08:40.560 MPs banded together to form a caucus to defend the rights of unvaccinated Canadians. They were calling it

00:08:46.960 the Civil Liberties Caucus. So here we have from True North, up to 30 Conservative MPs have banded

00:08:53.920 together to form the Civil Liberties Caucus to speak up for unvaccinated Canadians who are losing

00:08:58.220 their jobs. According to MP Marilyn Gladue, the caucus was organized in October after the party had

00:09:03.720 its first caucus meeting since the election. Conservative MPs were concerned about constituents

00:09:07.780 who had lost their jobs after refusing to get a COVID-19 shot for various reasons. And so again,

00:09:12.500 this group banded together to speak for those constituents, speak for those Canadians who feel

00:09:17.260 morally opposed, or perhaps they have a medical reason why they don't want to get vaccinated and

00:09:21.560 they're being treated incredibly unfairly. We've seen this so much. It's actually sort of scary when

00:09:26.740 you look at it, the way that unvaccinated Canadians are spoken about, the way that they're scapegoated by

00:09:32.060 politicians. You often hear politicians like Justin Trudeau blaming the entire pandemic or blaming deaths

00:09:37.520 or blaming the reason that we're still stuck with all these various rules and lockdowns and mask mandates

00:09:43.260 and all this stuff. He'll blame, he'll just blame it on the unvaccinated, completely scapegoating them,

00:09:48.140 pinning Canadians against each other. It's really, really obscene. And we talked about this on the

00:09:53.180 show a couple of months ago, but there was that Toronto Star front page where it literally said,

00:09:59.240 I don't care if they die, those people can die. And just some of the most divisive, ugly things

00:10:04.660 that Canadians can say about their fellow Canadians highlighted and emphasized and sort of promoted

00:10:09.780 and celebrated on the front pages of the Toronto Star are really despicable. So it's good to see

00:10:14.060 Conservative MPs picking up this issue and understanding that just because you don't

00:10:19.100 want to get vaccinated doesn't mean that you're not human, doesn't mean that you're no longer a

00:10:21.840 person or a Canadian with rights and freedoms. And so good for them to speak out on this issue.

00:10:29.160 However, interesting because it does go against what their own leader has to say. So we are seeing

00:10:33.900 some fractions in the Tory caucus, in the broader caucus, and some problems for Aaron O'Toole with

00:10:39.940 his leadership, because clearly, you know, we don't know who these 30 MPs are, that they haven't

00:10:44.540 released a list. We don't know which MPs are part of this caucus, other than the fact that Marilyn

00:10:50.020 Gladue is sort of the organizer and the leader of this group. But up to 30, up to 30, that's a big deal

00:10:56.340 because as we know, the Conservative caucus can spark a leadership review of Aaron O'Toole with fewer

00:11:02.280 than 30 signatures. So O'Toole could be in pretty big trouble. So we learned about this new caucus on

00:11:08.620 November 4th. Then on November 5th, we hear from Aaron O'Toole, he asks MPs to keep quiet on hot

00:11:16.300 button political issues. This was over in Global News. Two MPs suggested the message from Aaron O'Toole's

00:11:21.360 office was the party's message comes from them, the OLO, which is the opposition leader's office,

00:11:27.240 which is Aaron O'Toole's office. The OLO keeps on putting out messages to caucus saying,

00:11:33.120 please don't respond to media inquiries on X, Y, and Z, and then complete silence. Please do not

00:11:38.100 respond and direct all media inquiries to the OLOs. One conservative MP who agreed to discuss the matter

00:11:43.520 on the condition of not being named. The MP said it was not the first time O'Toole's office has tried

00:11:48.660 to prevent the conservative caucus from commenting on political issues publicly. Caucus number one

00:11:53.900 doesn't know what OLO is going to say. Number two, OLO doesn't say anything. And we're all supposed to

00:11:59.280 play the game of no one moves, no one gets hurt. So I suppose I'm not the only one out there who is

00:12:04.020 a little confused by the communication from Aaron O'Toole's office because this conservative MP says

00:12:09.360 number one, we don't know what they're going to say. Every day seems to be a slightly different

00:12:13.540 message and you never know what you're going to say. And apparently they're running quite a sort of

00:12:17.900 centralized office over there. They don't want any conservative MPs talking to the media unless it

00:12:23.680 is Aaron O'Toole. So pretty interesting stuff. Again, we're seeing lots of hints of trouble and

00:12:29.860 fractions over in the Tory caucus under Aaron O'Toole's leadership. Now I want to move on to

00:12:36.560 Marilyn Gladue, focus a little bit more on what she said. She made some comments on CTV that have

00:12:42.880 become pretty controversial. I think they're completely blown out of proportion. I actually

00:12:47.640 think that what Marilyn Gladue said about polio is correct. There's a little bit of context missing

00:12:53.180 in her statement. So I'm going to go through that in a bit more details. But first, if you enjoy the

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00:13:54.920 the discoverability of the show. So, okay. So getting back to Marilyn Gladue here. So she's becoming a 0.99

00:14:00.720 little bit of a thorn in the side of Erin O'Toole on November 5th after creating her new caucus, her 0.99

00:14:05.700 civil liberties caucus. Gladue said that she has the support of Erin O'Toole, that Erin O'Toole likes the idea

00:14:10.440 of having a caucus of MPs and senators to examine the issues around COVID-19. So this comes to us

00:14:16.420 from the Globe and Mail. It says a Sarnia Lampton MP said today, she has been in touch with the office

00:14:21.660 of conservative leader about her idea, which has come to involve about 30 MPs in which she says will

00:14:27.040 become the civil liberties caucus. So again, on November 5th, Gladue says that she has support of

00:14:33.320 Erin O'Toole, but then she goes on to CTV. She goes on with Evan Solomon and she has this interview,

00:14:40.220 which really will play the interview. And I'm going to walk through how this gets widely distorted and

00:14:46.400 turned into this whole idea that Marilyn Gladue is anti-science and that she's an anti-vaxxer. 0.97

00:14:51.940 That's not what she says. So this is a clip that's being used by the liberals, the liberal legacy media,

00:14:57.540 by the left, to claim that all conservatives are anti-science and to claim in particular

00:15:02.040 that Marilyn Gladue is an anti-vaxxer, anti-science, and that there's an anti-vaxxer 1.00

00:15:07.080 splinter group within the conservative party that she is leading. So let's play this clip because

00:15:11.420 I think that this clip is really getting taken out of context and that Marilyn Gladue is a smear

00:15:16.520 drop, a total smear drop against her. What she's saying in here is correct. Let's play this clip.

00:15:22.140 You say, where does it stop? Like, did you have a problem when the school system is asking if our

00:15:26.500 kids have got their polio vaccination?

00:15:29.740 Well, I think, you know, in terms of the risk, people that got polio, many of them died and many

00:15:37.580 of them were crippled. And that is not the same frequency of risk that we see with COVID-19,

00:15:43.260 although COVID-19 has killed people, as you rightly pointed out.

00:15:46.300 And so what I think we need to do is make sure we have...

00:15:49.900 I just have to be clear. You're saying that COVID is not as bad as polio? Like, COVID has killed

00:15:54.380 significantly more people in a shorter time than polio did in Canada. I'm not trying to compare

00:15:58.520 tragedies, but the medical... I'm just trying... I know you're an engineer, but...

00:16:02.700 I'm just receiving the information from medical experts that talk about the relative risk. I'm

00:16:06.740 not a doctor myself, so...

00:16:08.140 But they're saying, the president of the Canadian Medical Association has said mandatory

00:16:12.640 vaccinations work. Every medical association and the Public Health Agency of Canada are saying

00:16:18.340 these mandatory vaccinations are working. Like, if you're listening to the data, wouldn't you support

00:16:24.960 making sure everybody's vaccinated?

00:16:26.920 Well, I think there's multiple sources of data out there, and that's part of the work of this

00:16:31.920 caucus, is to take a look at all of the different data, sort through it, and come to what the

00:16:37.600 reasonable solutions are to ensure that everyone is safe and everyone's freedoms are protected.

00:16:42.720 Let's just walk through this clip because, again, I feel like Marilyn Gladue is being victim

00:16:46.760 of a smear job here and that everyone is taking this clip out of context. The context of this

00:16:51.100 conversation, the conversation that we are having in the country right now, where we're at with

00:16:54.900 vaccines, is we're talking about little kids getting vaccinated, age 5 to 12. Everybody older

00:16:59.740 than that has already been available to get vaccinated. It's already been available to them,

00:17:03.840 and they've made the choice whether they're getting vaccinated or not. The newest wave that

00:17:07.440 we're hearing is about children age 5 to 12. So that's what the conversation is about. That's what

00:17:12.040 Evan's talking about. He says, you're okay with kids getting vaccinated against polio. Why aren't you

00:17:17.720 okay with them getting vaccinated against COVID? Then she says that polio kills and cripples people.

00:17:23.960 What I think that she meant or what she should have said is that polio affects kids because,

00:17:30.880 again, the conversation is about kids. But she didn't say kids. She said people. And then Evan

00:17:34.640 picked up on that and said, wait a minute, COVID has killed way more people than polio, which is

00:17:38.760 correct. Obviously, COVID has killed many, many scores more time than polio. However, the conversation

00:17:44.180 is about little kids. And when it comes to little kids, when it comes to little kids,

00:17:48.640 the risk of polio is much, much greater than the risk of COVID. So at the height of polio,

00:17:55.540 sure, it killed a couple thousand people in Canada. But the case mortality rate among children,

00:17:59.760 which again, we're talking about children here, the case mortality rate with children for polio is

00:18:04.580 somewhere between two and five percent. Between two and five percent of kids who get polio die from it.

00:18:09.500 About one in 200 cases of polio, the child gets permanently paralyzed from. Okay, so we're talking

00:18:15.900 about a case mortality rate of two to five percent. Whereas when it comes to COVID, we talked about

00:18:20.900 this on the program many times, two weeks ago, last week, as well, that the case mortality rate when

00:18:26.000 it comes to kids and COVID, remember that kids, little kids are the most likely group to get COVID.

00:18:30.640 They're the largest group that have gotten COVID in Canada, some 350,000 cases reported already of kids

00:18:36.640 with COVID. Whereas the number of kids who have died from COVID, and this isn't even in the five

00:18:41.080 to 12 range, this is anyone under the age of 20, so 19 and under, there have been 17 deaths in Canada,

00:18:47.700 not 1700 deaths, 17 deaths, which from my calculation, the case mortality rate for little

00:18:53.740 kids with COVID is 0.002%. So again, orders of magnitude of difference between a two to five

00:19:01.660 percent death rate, which is the case with polio versus a 0.002% with COVID. So if Marilyn Gladue is

00:19:09.760 specifically talking about little kids with COVID, then she is 100% correct. And the entire argument

00:19:15.860 in the media that she's anti-science, anti-vax for saying this is completely wrong. And they're taking

00:19:20.960 her out of context. Now, if she was simply talking about the entire population, and she thinks that

00:19:27.640 COVID is not as steadily than polio, then she is mistaken. However, I believe that they were talking

00:19:32.720 about children here. And I think that, again, everyone out there calling her an anti-vaxxer

00:19:36.680 and anti-science is just mean-spirited and taking what she is saying out of context. And that is what 0.99

00:19:41.780 we're seeing. So now everyone is using this interview against Erin O'Toole to sort of say,

00:19:46.960 look at these crazy people in your caucus. And so here we have the next day, November 8th,

00:19:52.900 Erin O'Toole criticizes the comments by the Tory MP on COVID-19 vaccines saying not appropriate.

00:19:59.400 So of course, Erin O'Toole is getting slammed. He held a press conference on Monday in Ottawa,

00:20:04.380 and the media, being the media, hounded him over and over and over again with questions about

00:20:09.660 Marilyn Gladue. You can see in some of these questions, it's just so ridiculous. The group

00:20:13.980 think mentality in the media, their cancel culture at its finest. This is their mentality. They go out,

00:20:19.660 they call her anti-science. They say that she should be kicked out of caucus. They're questioning

00:20:24.900 Erin O'Toole, peppering him with questions. So here we have a little montage of the PAC mentality,

00:20:29.280 the PAC creatures over in the parliamentary press gallery, asking Erin O'Toole the same question

00:20:33.880 over and over and over again, which is basically accusing MP Marilyn Gladue of being anti-science,

00:20:39.800 saying that she should be kicked out of caucus, saying that she's spreading misinformation,

00:20:43.800 and just doing the whole woke cancel culture thing. Of course, the problem is that Erin O'Toole 1.00

00:20:49.200 gives mushy answers. He doesn't have a strong answer. Instead of trying to defend Marilyn Gladue

00:20:55.200 and maybe saying, look, she was talking about kids, she wasn't talking about everything,

00:20:58.240 he just completely throws her under the bus, says that her comments were not appropriate,

00:21:01.520 doesn't try to clarify the situation, doesn't come to her aid at all, just throws her under the bus,

00:21:06.940 says that she's wrong, but then can't really answer the question, can't really provide a straight

00:21:11.260 answer. So here is what that looks like.

00:21:13.180 In talking about the, is there not a risk though, if you have a mini caucus that is going to be

00:21:21.040 advocating against vaccine mandates, that there will be discussion in that group where there could

00:21:26.860 be anti-science sentiments, there could be messages that run contrary to public health messaging.

00:21:32.400 Just yesterday, it seems that Ms. Gladue was calling into question the severity of COVID-19 versus

00:21:37.700 polio. So why are you allowing your MPs to form this caucus when there seems to be a risk it could

00:21:45.100 create added confusion to your message of go get vaccinated?

00:21:49.700 Well, as I just said, it's important for members of parliament to advocate for their

00:21:54.740 constituents who may be losing a job or may need reasonable accommodation. We do that all the time

00:22:01.740 on a range of issues, but it's very different to cause confusion with respect to the health and

00:22:07.800 well-being of Canadians. Ms. Gladue's interview did that yesterday and it's not appropriate at a time

00:22:12.960 we should be answering questions about vaccine hesitancy, not creating new questions.

00:22:18.220 Glenn McGregor, CTV News. Mr. O'Toole, you just said that comments by Ms. Gladue and Ms. Lewis create

00:22:24.060 confusion and so hesitancy. What are you going to do about it? Are you going to take any action against

00:22:28.900 them? Are they still welcome to stay in your caucus? Are you going to talk to them or are you

00:22:31.680 going to kick them out? Well, as you know, Glenn, we have conversations as a caucus as we had before

00:22:38.380 the return of parliament to confirm that all of our MPs and senators that participate on the 22nd and

00:22:45.740 come here to do their job on behalf of Canadians will be vaccinated. We will continue as we have to

00:22:51.520 support all public health measures and to encourage Canadians to learn more if they have any hesitation.

00:22:57.620 Our team will address instances where people are causing more questions and perhaps adding to

00:23:04.960 hesitancy as opposed to advocating for their constituents and concerns about the border and

00:23:10.800 other things. Althea Raj, the Toronto Star. Are you still opposed to vaccine mandates?

00:23:18.740 As you know, I think vaccines are critical and I encourage as many people to get vaccinated as

00:23:23.560 possible. In fact, what I suggested with respect to the federal government approach for federal

00:23:30.660 employees, Mr. Trudeau has misled people about, including transportation. If you look and see

00:23:37.200 what's happening in terms of some accommodations, you're seeing that happening in the federal service

00:23:42.940 exactly as how I predicted. But Mr. Trudeau, including today, will continue to mislead people

00:23:50.080 and divide rather than try and say, let's get hesitancy down as much as possible. And we're going

00:23:55.800 to be proposing some ideas on that. And let's, where we can, have some reasonable accommodations.

00:24:02.600 And look, Aaron O'Toole hasn't been clear. It's not clear what he believes in. It's not clear where his

00:24:07.400 position is. He sort of just gives lots and lots of mushy answers. And of course, the problem with

00:24:12.400 giving mushy answers, with being inconsistent, with flip-flopping, with, with sort of just no one

00:24:16.920 knows where you stand. The problem with all that is that it gives your opposition the opportunity

00:24:21.720 to blast you, to point it out, to jump on this and just say your position is unclear. And of course,

00:24:27.540 when it comes to the liberals, of course, they're going to mock conservatives. Of course,

00:24:30.760 they're going to accuse them of being anti-science, of being anti-vaccine and anti-vaccine mandates.

00:24:34.740 So now you have Justin Trudeau sort of doing a victory lap. So instead of Justin Trudeau being

00:24:39.760 asked tough questions about his own record, about his total recklessness when it comes to

00:24:43.520 spending and managing and the total economic mess that we're in right now, instead of talking about

00:24:50.280 that, this gives Justin Trudeau the opportunity to pivot, turn it back to say, look at those scary

00:24:54.860 conservatives, look at how bad they are. So here is Justin Trudeau mocking Aaron O'Toole for being so

00:25:00.820 weak on this issue. And to my mind, I mean, I look at this crew here. I look at all of you

00:25:07.800 dedicated to your communities, dedicated to serving, dedicated to keeping people safe.

00:25:14.520 I can't imagine any of you putting up your hand and saying, well, I deserve special treatment

00:25:20.620 because I'm an MP. I deserve that not to need to get vaccinated because I'm an MP and you should

00:25:28.160 be making exceptions for us. I can't imagine any of you ever even occurring to you to say that,

00:25:35.800 but that's exactly what conservatives are saying.

00:25:39.360 So there you go. Justin Trudeau wins today. He gets to dunk on Aaron O'Toole. Instead of Justin Trudeau

00:25:44.200 being held accountable by the media and the opposition, here we have the leader of the

00:25:48.700 opposition being held accountable by the prime minister and the media. It's a sick joke. As a

00:25:53.480 conservative, you can never give the legacy media and Justin Trudeau the opportunity to turn the

00:25:57.300 tables because they always will. They'll do it every time. They never want to talk about liberal

00:26:00.580 flaws. They only ever want to talk about conservative flaws and Aaron O'Toole is making

00:26:04.560 things very easy for them. I'm Candice Malcolm and this is The Candice Malcolm Show.

Juno News - November 09, 2021

Where does O’Toole stand on vaccine mandates？

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