Juno News - August 12, 2022


Why Alberta needs autonomy (ft. Brian Jean)


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On this episode of the Andrew Lawton Show, we have two candidates in the United Conservative Party leadership race in Alberta, Brian Jean and Danielle Smith. In this episode, we talk to both candidates about their platforms and why they are running for the UCP leadership.

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00:00:00.000 Welcome back to the Andrew Lawton Show. We've been talking on and off about the UCP leadership
00:00:13.580 race in Alberta. Now, this is a particularly interesting race because unlike the federal
00:00:19.060 conservative leadership race, this one is going to be deciding the premiership of Alberta, not
00:00:25.680 just the leadership of the UCP. Whomever wins the leadership in October is going to go right to the
00:00:32.340 premier's seat, replacing Jason Kenney, and then they'll have to try to renew that term in an election
00:00:37.840 up against Rachel Notley and the NDP. And why this is an interesting dynamic is because the stakes are
00:00:45.500 a lot higher. And we've seen Danielle Smith, who has been outside politics, come in and do very well
00:00:51.720 talking about the importance of really resisting the Kenney government's COVID policies, talking
00:00:56.940 about Alberta sovereignty. Brian Jean, the former Wild Rose leader, actually, they're both former
00:01:02.880 Wild Rose leaders. He's now been elected as a UCP MLA in a by-election, very critical of Jason Kenney.
00:01:10.040 He's been very critical of the COVID situation, but he's also tried to be a lot more broad in his appeal
00:01:16.480 compared to Danielle Smith. And it's been interesting to see the contrast between these two.
00:01:21.740 We've had Danielle Smith on the show. We've also had Rebecca Schultz on the show. Interestingly enough,
00:01:27.120 I asked Lila here a while back if she would come on the show and her campaign said, why don't you just 1.00
00:01:32.280 send us a questionnaire and we'll, you know, fill it out and send it back to you. And I'm like, well,
00:01:36.660 like, what do I do? Just read that on my show? No. And I've asked and haven't been able to get her on.
00:01:41.680 So other requests have gone to other candidates as well. But in any case, let me now bring into the
00:01:47.240 program, UCP MLA from up in Fort McMurray and also UCP leadership candidate, Brian Jean. Brian,
00:01:54.120 good to talk to you. Thanks for coming on today.
00:01:56.580 My pleasure. Thanks for having me.
00:01:58.280 So let's start first off with the theme of your campaign here. You're talking about autonomy for
00:02:03.400 Alberta, but you're distinguishing this from the sovereignty and separation debate. So what is it
00:02:09.600 that your campaign is really about? And what is it that autonomy is about in your eyes?
00:02:13.860 Well, autonomy and sovereignty are a little bit different. And, you know, I'm not about building
00:02:18.900 walls. I'm about tearing them down and bringing people together. Autonomy is about a series of
00:02:24.480 freedoms, personal autonomy, my body, my choice, financial autonomy. You know, I believe people
00:02:31.960 should own houses, own businesses, own, have individual ownership of things. I think that's
00:02:36.540 a better scenario and makes them feel freer and happier. And of course, that's part of my theme of my
00:02:41.860 campaign as well. And not just financial autonomy, employment autonomy, but also community autonomy.
00:02:49.560 As a Christian, you know, I think it's very important that we protect people's rights to be
00:02:54.140 able to, you know, enjoy the freedoms that they have. I, for instance, was appalled at the arrest of
00:02:59.660 a pastor. It never would happen under a Brian Jean-led government ever, nor would we ever shutter
00:03:05.100 churches. That's just, in my opinion, religious persecution. I thought so at the time. I continue to 1.00
00:03:10.300 think that now, and it would never happen under a Brian Jean government. And that's why I wanted to
00:03:13.860 make sure autonomy was clear in people's minds. I'm not interested in sovereignty or separation.
00:03:18.720 I am interested in making sure that we have as many rights as we possibly can here in Alberta
00:03:22.680 for Albertans, not just for Alberta, but for Albertans. And that's why I want also more autonomy
00:03:27.460 for Albertans within Canada. And that means if other Canadians get to enjoy the rights and
00:03:32.000 privileges that Canada give them, we should get the same rights and privileges. And right now,
00:03:35.780 we don't, whether it's unemployment insurance, whether it's our pension issues or, you know,
00:03:40.380 many different opportunities in other provinces that we don't have here in Alberta. I'm going
00:03:44.460 to make sure that we have all the opportunities that any other Canadian has in any other province.
00:03:48.340 And I think that's very important. That's what it's about. It's about autonomy, about freedom,
00:03:51.360 personal freedom, freedom to make choices, freedom to be without government intervention,
00:03:55.060 freedom to know that you get up in the day, in the morning, that you're going to be happier
00:03:58.500 and healthier. Because, you know, I've made it very clear that the theme of my campaign
00:04:03.440 is autonomy, but it's also the end goal is to be happier and healthier, to be more free,
00:04:10.260 most free and most prosperous people in Canada and the world. And, you know, but you want freedom?
00:04:16.480 Well, if you want health and you want happiness, you have to have freedom. It's very clear. If you
00:04:21.700 want to have happiness, you have to have a good healthcare system. That's very clear. You have to
00:04:26.320 make sure that people are wealthy and prosperous or else they're not going to be able to make the
00:04:29.940 decisions they want as far as autonomy goes. And autonomy is about good conservative principles
00:04:34.140 of people making their own decisions for their own life based on their own priorities. And that's
00:04:38.240 what it's all about for me, whether it's personal choice, whether it's business community, whether
00:04:41.920 it's your religious or other community, you deserve the freedom to decide what you want to decide for
00:04:48.180 your future, your priorities, your community priorities, your personal priorities, your family
00:04:52.820 priorities. Those things government should stay out of and other people should stay out of.
00:04:56.320 And you should be able to enjoy them as much as possible. And that's what autonomy is for me.
00:04:59.280 It's about staying in Canada, about trying to fix Canada. I know it's broken. There's no question.
00:05:03.280 I think everybody recognizes that, but trying to fix Canada through a proper negotiation, sitting down
00:05:08.240 at the constitutional table and trying to get a fair deal, because right now we're too afraid of
00:05:12.560 getting any deal at all. So we're thinking that, you know, we're going to be pressured and, and,
00:05:16.800 and frankly, bullied by the bigger provinces. It's not the case right now is a tremendous
00:05:20.560 opportunity because every province in Canada knows that they're not getting enough healthcare funding based
00:05:25.680 upon what the federal government's requiring. Every, every, almost every government in Canada
00:05:30.160 recognizes that the pipeline ban is absolutely an infringement on our section 92 rights under
00:05:35.040 the constitution. And, you know, all of these things are actually guiding our principles of
00:05:43.200 change. And what I'm saying there is in particular, I've been working on this particular passion to open
00:05:48.720 up the constitution through equalization. That was a tool we use. And, you know, as wild rose leader,
00:05:54.160 we talked about making sure that we could open up the constitution so we can get to that point where
00:05:59.040 more Albertans could have more autonomy and more freedoms. And we're going to push that through.
00:06:03.600 Let's talk about the equalization aspect specifically. We know that Albertans overwhelmingly voted to
00:06:09.280 really reevaluate the equalization system that we have right now. And obviously the prevailing thesis is
00:06:16.160 that when a province comes together like that and votes in such a way, the federal government
00:06:20.480 has to negotiate, but a duty to negotiate, a constitutional duty to negotiate is not a duty
00:06:26.320 or requirement to give any concession. And the Liberals have been consistently resistant to,
00:06:31.760 I think, respecting a lot of the concerns that Albertans have. So what would you do differently or
00:06:37.520 what would you do to actually get what it is that Alberta wants and needs from the federal government
00:06:42.720 at that negotiating table? I'm glad you asked that because other candidates are talking about getting
00:06:47.440 angry and what we're going to do up to a certain point, but they have no answers for what happens
00:06:52.480 afterwards. So they're writing people up, getting people mad for no reason. We live in an amazing
00:07:00.800 country. It's a free country and the constitution clearly lays out that under section 46, if a majority
00:07:06.400 of a population in a certain area is dissatisfied with the current confederation and how they're being
00:07:12.240 treated under confederation, we can send notice after receiving a clear mandate from the people,
00:07:17.360 a majority of the people, a good majority, we can send that mandate to the people under the section
00:07:22.080 46 notice and then they have to sit down and negotiate with us. And if they don't, then we go
00:07:25.040 to the Supreme Court of Canada and ask for reference. Listen, you know, let's be clear here. I'm the only
00:07:29.520 lawyer, litigator, person that spent 10 years practicing the law here in Alberta. I know how it
00:07:34.000 works. I'm not guessing it. I don't have to talk to another government bureaucrat lawyer to tell me how to
00:07:39.680 pursue this and how to go forward. I've spent enough time understanding both 10 years federally
00:07:43.840 as a member of parliament, as a parliamentary secretary and as a practicing law in Alberta
00:07:48.000 for 10 years. And then as a business person, I know what Albertans want. They want more autonomy,
00:07:52.080 more freedom, less oversight and overwatch from Ottawa. I mean, that's where all the gatekeepers
00:07:57.360 are. That's what we have to remove from. But if the constitution gets them to the table,
00:08:01.280 what do you do at the table that will get that change you need? Get the rest of the provinces on
00:08:06.320 side to get better hospital, better health care funding, get more rights in the Senate and the
00:08:11.520 House of Commons. So we actually have equal votes across the country. There are so many things that
00:08:16.160 we need to change. The fiscal imbalance is clearly there. Equalization is one of those things.
00:08:20.720 The rest of the provinces, the premiers are ready to go to the table over the pipeline ban.
00:08:24.640 We're ready. You know, you have to wait. Timing is everything. And we started this process as
00:08:29.040 Wilder Rose leader on equalization referendum. I think five years ago, six years ago, almost now,
00:08:34.240 I got three economists from across the country to recognize that we're sending $20 billion more
00:08:39.600 per year to Ottawa than we get back in services. And we have to do something about that. That is
00:08:45.840 absolutely essential. And right now is a great time to do it. All the other provinces are ready
00:08:50.000 to sit down and Albertans are too. But if they don't listen, if they don't agree to negotiate,
00:08:56.240 where are we going to be? Well, I think Albertans are going to be angry. I know I would be if they didn't
00:09:01.840 sit down and talk to me if they just told us to buzz off. That's when we have to make the next step.
00:09:08.240 And that's when Albertans get to decide whether we use every single tool in our toolbox to establish
00:09:13.280 our autonomy, to establish our rights to Section 92, our resources, our people, our health care,
00:09:19.440 our education. You know, some people are making up stories about Trudeau coming in here and taking
00:09:23.360 our kids and forcing them to be vaxxed and at school in order to continue school. Well, folks,
00:09:30.080 people are lying to you. Justin Trudeau has no ability to do anything with our kids in schools
00:09:36.480 or schools. He has no ability to do so to infringe in our lives. And we have to stop listening to the
00:09:42.160 chatter out there and just deal with what we need to deal with. And that is to renegotiate the
00:09:46.000 Constitution so that Albertans feel they're part of Confederation. And if they don't agree to us
00:09:50.640 doing that, then we're going to be using other tools that are available at our disposal. And I know
00:09:54.320 what those tools are. And we will do whatever we need to do in order to get those tools to the people of
00:09:58.560 Alberta and make a decision on how we go forward after that. But I don't think Canada wants to be
00:10:03.040 in a position where they're going to make Albertans angry. No, I would agree in general with that,
00:10:09.680 but I'm still not getting a sense of the how, because I agree that getting to the table is
00:10:13.840 itself an important step in the process here. And I also appreciate that you're saying, let's not look
00:10:18.480 at equalization and isolation. Let's also talk about health care. Let's also talk about representation.
00:10:23.680 So if you're going to have this full scale discussion, what are the red lines for you?
00:10:28.400 Because a negotiation is give and take. What are the things that you will absolutely not compromise on?
00:10:33.200 And what are the things that you really expect the government to hand over that are without that,
00:10:38.880 in your view, not a real good faith negotiation?
00:10:42.640 Well, I look at this the same as I look at a corporate negotiation or a relationship negotiation,
00:10:48.720 and that is people sit down at the table in order to try to settle things, to solve things,
00:10:54.000 so they can move on together. I don't think we have to look at a divorce and go nuclear immediately.
00:10:59.120 That's what some people are suggesting. I think what we need to do is sit down and negotiate.
00:11:03.200 What forces them to negotiate? The opportunity to continue on as the prime minister and the
00:11:08.240 premier in government. That's what helps them continue the opportunity.
00:11:11.120 But I'm asking what happens at the negotiating table. Let's assume that we've gotten there.
00:11:15.680 What do you do at that table that gets you the changes that you're promising Albertans?
00:11:21.360 Find all the things that bring us together as a country in each province. Because like I said,
00:11:25.040 there's a lot of things that people are dissatisfied with right now. There's some
00:11:28.000 things they're satisfied with. For instance, PEI has about 40,000 people or so per MP.
00:11:33.280 Alberta has 120,000 people per MP. Well, PEI is probably satisfied with that, but places like
00:11:39.360 Ontario aren't. Places like Quebec aren't. They're never going to be satisfied with their
00:11:43.440 representation no matter what happens unless they're on their own. Let's be clear.
00:11:47.920 We have to find that commonality, those things that bring us together so we can
00:11:51.600 figure out how to go forward. The Supreme Court of Canada in the reference case in Quebec has laid out
00:11:56.320 a path. Now, I will tell you the Laurentian elite, the Ottawa entitled, they're the ones that made sure,
00:12:04.000 along with the Supreme Court of Canada, that there was a path ready for the people of Quebec to decide on
00:12:09.200 how they want it to go forward. And what would happen for the people of Quebec if indeed there
00:12:13.600 was a 51-60% leverage like we had here in Alberta that said, we want to open up the Constitution,
00:12:18.240 we want to change, we want to leave. Well, the Supreme Court of Canada laid out a path according to
00:12:23.920 Section 46 of the Constitution giving notice, legal notice by the way, of the necessity to negotiate
00:12:30.800 that path for the people of Quebec. Little did they understand that the people of Alberta would
00:12:34.080 be using that same path in order to force negotiations and to take the next step and find
00:12:39.520 those tools that we need to do. I want to have our own pension plan. I want to have our own
00:12:43.520 unemployment insurance plan. Why? Because right now we're paying far more than we need to. That's
00:12:48.400 an unmentioned equalization. We're paying far more in our pension plan and our unemployment insurance
00:12:53.280 plan because of our nature of our population and how much we work and how much we make compared to
00:12:57.440 other places. Well, I understand that, but that's still equalization. The people that work longer
00:13:01.680 hours need more support systems. They need better daycare for their children. They need to make
00:13:06.720 sure that they have better mental supports, better health supports. We need more staying here in 1.00
00:13:11.200 Alberta to support the type of lifestyle we have and they need to stop taking that $20 billion a year
00:13:15.680 and spreading it out to their friends. That will be the first thing we deal with, but there's so many
00:13:20.240 other things and the rest of Canada are ready, but who forces this? Well, just like anybody forces that we
00:13:26.800 have a judge in cases of a divorce or mediation or separation or a corporate commercial contract
00:13:33.360 that needs to be renegotiated, we have a judge. This is the rule of law that we're guided by here
00:13:38.320 in Canada and the rule of law is guided substantially or primarily by the Supreme Court of Canada.
00:13:44.320 They will make sure that Albertans have the rights as they're supposed to under the Constitution and they
00:13:50.400 will make sure that we have the opportunity to have that discussion about what the next step is to
00:13:54.880 renegotiate the Constitution because they need to protect that for the people of Quebec. We're
00:14:01.120 just going to use it first and we really appreciate them laying out path for us and being clear on how
00:14:05.520 we can go about it to get our fair treatment from the people of Canada and frankly it's not the people
00:14:11.280 of Canada, it's more the Liberal politicians from out east. They seem to want to pick on Albertans because
00:14:15.840 it gets the more votes there and I know it does and that's what disgusts me is right now the Prime
00:14:20.880 Minister and the Liberal Caucus are beating up Albertans and primarily the West, rural West,
00:14:25.920 in order to get votes in Quebec and Ontario and Eastern Canada. Now who wants to support the
00:14:31.840 Prime Minister or Premier that divides people? We need to find the things that bring people together
00:14:36.640 and that's what I'm going to do as the Premier of Alberta. I'm going to bring people together,
00:14:40.240 find the things that we have in common and instead of dividing us and that's where we need to go with
00:14:45.280 our path in the future is bringing Albertans together to be solid, to be strong because we've
00:14:49.760 got a lot of work ahead of us. You mentioned earlier, Brian, that you significantly and strongly
00:14:55.120 oppose the the jailing of pastors, the shuttering of churches and I think that's a very important
00:14:59.840 position to take. What about some of the broader COVID policies here? Because I know Premier Kenny,
00:15:05.360 when he sort of addressed why he thought the membership turned on him, he thought it was entirely
00:15:10.960 about the COVID situation and I think there are some disagreements about whether that was really
00:15:16.000 the limitation of the frustrations. But vaccine passports, could you take them off the table 0.50
00:15:21.200 entirely as Premier? Yes, for the need for vaccine passports in Alberta, 100% gone.
00:15:28.480 And restrictions in general, capacity restrictions? I want to be clear that religious persecution is
00:15:34.800 what happened here in Alberta. I really believe that. As a Christian, as a born-again Christian,
00:15:39.120 I would never do that to any religion because that is religious persecution. It's unacceptable.
00:15:43.840 Lockdowns as a whole are extremely hurtful to people's mental and physical health. It is extremely
00:15:51.200 hurtful and painful for families and for businesses and it should not happen. So, you know, for me,
00:15:56.800 I just, I think lockdowns should be a resort that we never ever fall into. And to be honest, I'm the only
00:16:05.760 candidate that's come forward with, yes, we will not have lockdowns, but not only that, I will bind
00:16:10.960 future governments, future Premiers to make sure if they try to do a lockdown, which we can never stop.
00:16:15.920 Let's be clear. I can tell you what I'm going to do or not do, but I can't tell you what the next
00:16:20.400 person's going to do unless I put a whole bunch of blockades and barricades in front of them. And I 1.00
00:16:24.320 propose that people are not watching that. But what I proposed is let's make sure that every emergency act,
00:16:29.120 anytime anybody has the opportunity to open up and close things, open up the emergency act and close
00:16:35.600 down people's businesses or homes, well, they have to make sure that they're transparent on those
00:16:40.160 decisions. So no more cabinet secrets, which is going on right now and has been going on for two
00:16:43.760 years, no more cabinet secrets on that stuff at all. And just make sure that people understand why
00:16:49.520 they're making the decisions. And that caucus, the government caucus actually has to vote on it
00:16:56.880 within two months of it being put in place and has to confirm that it's valid. And
00:17:01.840 anything that happens, depending on what level of lockdown it is, there would be judicial inquiry,
00:17:07.120 a public inquiry, a huge, huge onerous provision on future governments. And the fact that it would be
00:17:16.000 transparent cabinet decisions, I think people would change their mind very quickly about doing
00:17:20.320 lockdowns because we've seen this. But is this all about lockdowns for Jason Kenney and the government?
00:17:25.680 No, it's not. Let's be clear. Before COVID came on the scene, we were looking at a situation where
00:17:32.800 the premier was not popular, where he was spiraling into a situation of non-confidence by the people of
00:17:37.840 Alberta. And it's clear that COVID didn't help any, but we're at a crossroads right now. And if we don't
00:17:43.760 renew and revitalize the party, the UCP, the NUP are going to win. And I just can't have that. I was
00:17:50.160 watching from Fort Memorial as I took care of my family after leaving politics and taking care of
00:17:56.320 three estates and my businesses. And the people of Fort Memorial mean a lot to me because obviously
00:18:01.680 that's been my home for my entire life. And I think if Rachel Notley wins, we're going to lose
00:18:06.320 Fort Memorial. They're going to shut down my town. They're going to shut down a lot of what's going
00:18:09.120 on in Alberta. And I just can't have that happen. An overwhelming NDP majority with Justin Trudeau in
00:18:13.680 Ottawa will destroy my community and my province. And I can't let that happen. That's why I did what
00:18:18.000 I did. That's why I wanted to renew the party. And that's why I'm so excited about the opportunity of
00:18:22.480 possibly being premier, having that privilege and being able to take Albertans to that task,
00:18:27.600 to the equalization formula, to where we were going five, six years ago on our path. And I have
00:18:32.640 passion and purpose for that. It's not just, you know, oh, that's good policy about lockdowns or about
00:18:38.160 churches or that's what I believe. That's what I believe. So it's not hard to put forward policies
00:18:45.600 that you believe in because those are the things that Albertans want to hear. They want to hear
00:18:49.840 somebody that actually believes what they're doing, not just that they're doing it because the people
00:18:54.960 are pushing that way. Let me just ask you one final question then on that note. You talked about
00:19:00.160 Rachel Notley. If you win the leadership, you become the premier of Alberta, but you'll also have to
00:19:04.800 run for reelection very soon after. There have been a lot of internal struggles in the UCP,
00:19:10.080 a lot of people that have frustrations with the status quo under Premier Kenney.
00:19:14.240 How confident are you that you could turn around these challenges in time to win a general election?
00:19:20.400 Well, you know, there's been discussion about me saying I'd put Rachel Notley in my cabinet and
00:19:25.120 I can't think of anything more ridiculous than having Rachel Notley make decisions for Albertans. And
00:19:30.480 me suggesting that she's going to make somehow decisions for Albertans is ludicrous.
00:19:34.640 I never really understood how people interpreted that from what you actually said there.
00:19:40.800 I know. I know. What I said was, let's take the politics out of COVID because people are dying
00:19:45.040 because politicians are playing politics with people's lives. Let's take the politics out of it. 1.00
00:19:49.680 You know what Rachel Notley did? She took the politics out of the fire when I was the opposition 0.99
00:19:54.480 leader. I asked and she made sure that I was able to be briefed on everything. My staff knew what was
00:19:59.040 going on. And all of a sudden, I was in a situation where I knew everything that was going on.
00:20:02.640 Both of us were working for the people of Fort McMurray and Alberta at the time. And she totally
00:20:08.800 took politics out of it because I couldn't play politics. Not that I wanted to, but some people do.
00:20:13.440 Some politicians are prepared to play with people's lives in order for their own agenda. That's not
00:20:19.120 acceptable. Why I wanted to do that for Rachel Notley and get her involved in COVID? Only so she could
00:20:24.400 listen and she couldn't play politics because it would stop the NDP from doing so. How do you play politics when
00:20:30.480 you're actually privy to all of the information and you're there when the decisions are being made?
00:20:34.240 Not only do you have to keep them confidential, but you can't play the political game that Rachel
00:20:39.360 Notley has been playing. And we have to look beyond just the hard and fast, passionate partisanship
00:20:46.000 of politics. We have to think smart about how we do things that are better for the people.
00:20:50.560 And better for the people is certainly taking the politics out of very dangerous situations. You know,
00:20:55.520 Winston Churchill did it. We did it at the time of Confederation when we were drafting the Constitution.
00:21:01.840 We take politics out of it because it's better for the people. And would I want to put Rachel
00:21:07.440 in charge of anything? Listen, the reason why I'm back right now and I put my family life on hold and
00:21:12.480 my businesses and everything else on hold is because I don't want Rachel Notley to win the next election.
00:21:17.040 I will do whatever I can as the Premier and the leader of the UCP within the obligations and rights that
00:21:24.160 we have as politicians to make sure that Rachel Notley does not form government and make sure that 0.96
00:21:28.960 we unite the Conservative movement here in Alberta behind the UCP and win the next election by an
00:21:34.080 overwhelming majority so we can bring in the good policies for Albertans because you know what it
00:21:38.960 should be for Albertans and other people have talked about what they would do. Well, let me tell you,
00:21:44.080 look at my background and see where I have done things, where I have resigned my position and gave up
00:21:49.120 a paycheck in order that we can unite these parties so we can bring them together into a movement.
00:21:54.160 That's what I'm interested in because that movement should represent Albertans and Albertans should
00:21:58.880 be the beneficiary of every single decision that a Premier, a Cabinet and a caucus make for them.
00:22:06.000 UCP MLA and leadership candidate Brian Jean. Brian, thank you so much for coming on.
00:22:10.720 Thank you, my pleasure as always and great to be here. Howdy all your listeners.
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