Why Canada is still so WOKE (w⧸ Jonathan Kay)
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Jon Kay from Quillette joins us to talk about the tragic passing of former Canadian politician, journalist and diplomat Stephen Lewis, who was a former leader of the Ontario NDP party, as well as a UN ambassador, at the party's convention.
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Hi, I'm Candace Malcolm, and this is the Candace Malcolm Show. Today is Tuesday, March 31st,
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2026. We have a great episode for you folks. We have John Kay from Quillette joining us in just
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a few minutes. I want to come to you with a bit of sad news, a bit of breaking news here,
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which is that Stephen Lewis, who is the father of Abby Lewis, has passed away,
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former Canadian politician, journalist, and diplomat dead at 88. He was a former leader
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of the Ontario NDP party, as well as the UN ambassador. And I want to share what I thought
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was a very touching moment from Alvi Lewis's acceptance speech at the NDP convention on
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Sunday evening. Here he is talking about the legacy that has been passed down from his grandfather to
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his father, down to him, and what he had to say about his father, Stephen Lewis. Here is a clip
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from the convention, this is thought seven. He told me something kind of heartbreaking
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David said, son, not in my lifetime, but maybe in yours.
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So I guess we're talking about an NDP government federally.
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I think Avi Lewis is actually a very talented speaker, and he certainly had the crowd behind him.
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Kind of funny, though, because the idea that socialists always just want to try one more
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iteration of socialism, like it didn't work there, but maybe it would work here. And it's sort of this
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idea, you know, we do have socialism in our lifetime. It still exists today. Of course,
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it existed in the 20th century, still exists in countries like Cuba, North Korea, and to an extent,
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Iran. So, you know, you don't have to wait for a change in Canada. We could already see what will
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happen when you bring in these kinds of policies. I want to talk about this a little more, go a
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little bit deeper into that NDP convention that we've been talking about. And I'm pleased to be
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joined by John Kay. You probably know John from his X account. You should really follow him. He
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is a very interesting follow, but he is the editor over at Quillette, a writer, podcaster,
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ex-lawyer, engineer, and coder, and very astute commenter on public affairs in Canada. So John,
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welcome to the show. Thanks for having me. So, I mean, I think that Canada sort of
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went viral for all the wrong reasons. I think we're increasingly becoming like a cautionary
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tale for the rest of the world of how not to do things. And I know that you cover the sort of
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woke madness extensively over on X and in your writing. But I mean, why don't you walk us through
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a little bit of what you saw at the NDP convention over the weekend? By the way, I should just say
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that as recently as maybe like, I don't know, a year, two years ago, I mean, I saw myself as
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somebody who is transitioning out of this space because it was like i mean even the word woke
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seems kind of like antique it was something we were talking about in the late 2010s and
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uh in a lot of parts of the world you see people kind of rejecting the the excesses of it um but
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canada i guess especially the ndp especially places like british columbia actually where
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are you broadcasting out of where are you okay all right so we can make fun of british columbia
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and no one will take it personally uh like we still hear stories from these parts of canada
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that it might as well be like 2018 or something it might as well be the great awokening uh and
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quillette is mostly international readers and listeners at our podcast it's like i think 12
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or 15 canadian uh international news consumers is kind of just shocked like i mean typically we
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associate the word progressive with woke but it doesn't really seem progressive anymore it seems
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like just old-fashioned in the sense like it's still uh i don't know like the height of the
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george floyd phenomenon where um people were getting canceled and certainly like the pronoun
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stuff is still very big in some subcultures in canada uh so yeah i i write about that for
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quillette um but i i thought i was getting out of that space because it just seemed like
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how long is that going to last like i wanted to write about other things and i
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I actually do write a lot about other things but Canada's kind of like especially the arts
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activism academic academic communities just refuses to kind of like give up the fight when
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it comes to to some of these things that again that the rest of the world has moved past and
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the NDP was the NDP convention was kind of like put all that on display you had the pronoun stuff
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you had um people flashing these real physical gender equity cards and they were like different
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colors i western standard had a piece on it i i got the sense because i think one was purple and
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one was orange and red and some of the shots you see like stacks of them so i think some of the
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cards are for like different aspects of your intersectional being or whatnot um but i remember
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seeing it it was like a portlandia sketch like it it wasn't i i feel weird using terms like
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progressive or woke or whatever because it people have been saying things like oh wouldn't it be
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funny to like play the race card and we'll make like an actual physical card then you can play
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the race card haha like this was the stuff you'd see on college fix or other right-wing satirical
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sites the idea of actually making cards that people could use to gain the moral advantage at
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events but then the ndp just like went and did it uh and again they didn't do it in 2018 or 2020 or
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2020 they did it in 2026 um and it's kind of sad like it's this movement did have political legs
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for certain kinds of progressives uh you know ndp obviously are courting the progressive vote
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um but as you can tell from the viral social media reaction it's just it just seems ridiculous now
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like yeah i completely agree like i i couldn't even believe that they had these literal race
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cards that people were using so they had people lining up at the mics i'm sorry i don't i don't
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know that there's a race card i know that they had a physical thing called a gender equity card
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i don't i don't they might have i don't know that they had a physical thing called a race
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although that'd be hilarious although you probably saw it there was a clip where some
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ndp apparatchik got up at the mic and said well we're going to expand the system so like the next
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time we have the convention it's going to be like disabled and 2s lgbtqi cat stepped over my keyboard
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stuff and it's going to be this and it's going to be that it's indigenous so like everyone's going
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to have some kind of card right because i mean even even you and me if we thought about it long
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enough we'd be able to come up with a card or two for us right like so it's just the next convention
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is going to be even more hilarious because people are going to come to the mic with like 10 cards
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and it's like well he's got eight cards i got 10 this guy's got 12 so like it's it's going to be
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i joked it's going to be like a pokemon convention where people are trying to make sets of the
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different colors again it sounds like satire but the ndp is actually doing this like this is this
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is real life and so i wonder like why that is right because i agree it seems to me that the
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world sort of moved on like it became normal and mainstream to sort of like reject the idea of
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men coming into women's locker rooms even the olympics said you know we're not going to do
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this whole transgender thing anymore if you're a man you have to compete with men and women for
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women and and yet it seems like canada we still do have this little obsession with the wokeness
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uh obviously it was on full display at the ndp convention but you write a lot about how it
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happens on university campuses i can't tell you how many times we see job postings for university
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jobs where basically says white men need not apply right uh we also saw we're going to get to this
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later in the program folks uh the juno awards right uh they kind of got overshadowed by this
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ndp convention uh but the juno music awards which is sort of like a sad little made in canada
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performance was incredibly woke as well. And so you see that this kind of stuff actually still
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has a lot of power and influence in our society, even though, John, I would argue that most Canadians
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don't like this stuff, had enough of it, rolled their eyes, cringe. They don't like it. And it
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obviously, your point is a bit of a period. I want to just share a couple of clips of the audience
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because we didn't get to these ones yesterday. These ones sort of just came out. So Jagmeet Singh
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was a former leader of the NDP party. I would say he was objectively a very bad leader, right?
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just just looking at the numbers right when jack layton was leader of the party in 2011
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they had 30 now that was an all-time high but even in 2015 right the ndp still had a good 20
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under tom will care they were decimated down to six percent in the last election as recently as
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2021 i think they had 18 and they went from 18 to six and change right so i mean absolutely
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disastrous yeah you could you could just say from like a political perspective obviously not a well
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liked leader by the canadian public so the ndp put up a video tribute to the leader and basically a
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party member came up and just said you know he's clearly not happy about it he said i just want to
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know how much money and how much resources were spent on this video of course um he has he you
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know he has the sin of being a young white male and so we'll just uh say it doesn't go over where
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it will but first let's show this clip this is not one of a young man uh questioning why this video
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was made and i have a question about the video we just watched the tribute to jagmeet singh
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i want to know how much money it costs i want to know how much time it wasted out of the convention
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and i want to know who decided on it rising on a personal point of privilege that comment that
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was just made is absolutely unacceptable i'm in my house of party where i belong as a racialized
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person and we've paid a tribute that is incredibly fitting for an incredible leader anyway the second
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person that was speaking was a visibly like an india zeek woman which is very outraged like how
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dare you say that um how could how dare you criticize uh you know a person of color basically
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even though i mean look i i've hung around politics a lot of my life the guy you know he's
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kind of like a harmless young man with like a thousand buttons on his jacket that's kind of
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of like a typical canadian political uh you know insider or whatever young enthusiastic volunteer
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and yet he kind of gets like ripped just for stating the obvious um and how dare he do that
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as a white man against a black man i guess or sorry a brown man i guess so i know it's in that
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clip and you didn't show the whole clip i remember seeing it and that the woman went on she started
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babbling about genocide i forget how she tied it in um but she went on some non-sequitur rant
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the whole thing was nuts i kind of get where she was coming at it is kind of bad manners look it
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doesn't matter how unpopular and disastrous the former leader is there's this convention in
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politics and in corporate life and academic life like you know when when someone passes the baton
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willingly or unwillingly you know you throw them a dinner and you know people make speeches and
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say nice things and there's a tribute video like it's just kind of the um the normal part of of
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passing the baton even when it's somebody who had to have the baton like ripped from their fingers
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because they were they were so incompetent uh and so this kid got up and he probably said what a lot
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of people are thinking like why are we celebrating the legacy of a guy who had you know we lost
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official party status we've got we're down to six mps uh you know the reason we're so desperate
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that we we have to elect to have you lewis for god's sakes is like because of jagmeet singh
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and it's one of these things that everybody was thinking but he actually had the bad manners to
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say so it was kind of funny because it's it's kind of like one of these things where somebody says
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this rude thing that everyone's thinking uh and then but then like everything else the convention
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it was turned into a race thing like there's a whole bunch of clips where people aren't even
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talking about race but it's like just within 30 seconds everything about my race my racialized
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this my racialized that my lived experience with race my intersectional this that um like there's
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something profoundly narcissistic about this whole thing and even the people who weren't talking about
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race they were you know talking about very dubious disabilities that they claimed to have that you
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it made it very difficult to navigate the convention space uh there was one point like
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the chair herself started talking about how she had you know she was disabled when it came to
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hearing um and a lot of it had to do with the sort of jockeying with this gender equity card at one
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point there was this trans identify it was a man but you know long-haired and presented as a woman
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who was complaining that like somebody else was using a gender equity card an actual woman was
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using a gender equity card and got to speak before he did but he was like more oppressed because he
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was a woman and like even better like a trans woman so it's and a person color too right i i
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know that yeah he was i appeared to be talking about yeah and um i mean the whole thing was just
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kind of sad but it was also like very juvenile like it was um i know many of these speakers
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didn't even get to the substance of whatever it is they were purporting to talk about like this
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the the trans person who was talking about how racialized he is and how intersectional he is
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he he talked a lot about how he resented the fact that an actual woman was allowed to talk before
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him and he said you know i have all this intersectional lived experience i come from
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alberta where you know trans people are being oppressed and whatnot but he like never got
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to the actual substance of what he got to the mic to talk about he just went there to fetch
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about how other people were getting more attention than he was and it seemed like there was a lot of
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that so there's something very narcissistic about it and juvenile but you know sometimes people say
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well why why does it you know the rest of the world is rejecting a lot of this stuff it's it's
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a subject of satire it's why is it you know certain ecosystems in canada why is this happening
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and a lot of it is just organizational behavior is that the andp a lot of the positions of power
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a lot of like the local writing associations you know the numerous committees and whatnot that
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that define every organization of that size over the last decade have been taken over by people
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who like this is what they live for this is their thing this is their cause this is the reason
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anybody pays attention to them this is the reason they have any social media presence it's all they
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talk about and so understandably when those people are going to organize a convention
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you know damn right they're going to talk about it 24 7 because like that's their thing
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uh it's the same as any organization where a certain clique of people take control and this
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is why Canada is different from the United States like in the United States a lot of the DEI stuff
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was led by corporations uh and especially during the George Floyd period um you know you saw like
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I don't know weapons manufacturers and defense contractors go heavy on DEI it was kind of absurd
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um but then after you know 15 minutes they were like oh my god this is terrible this is terrible
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for for morale it's terrible for recruiting it's affecting our bottom line like our employers
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aren't happier they're just they're fighting more like so they got rid of it i mean took maybe a
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year or two but that's because the profit motive was at play and i'm not like a hard-boiled
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capitalist but i do know that there's something sobering about having the bottom line there to
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remind you what works and what doesn't in terms of human resources and in terms of um how much
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you're going to let ideology creep into your corporate practices but if you look at you know
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an academic faculty if you look at um a political party if you look at an activist group uh any kind
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of government subsidized entity or if you look at the arts here in canada like i think we wanted to
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talk about the junos which is uh recording artists i mean almost all their money comes from the
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government there there is no profit motive because there's no profit and so as a result they're free
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to indulge their their ideological fetishes as much as they want because there's no to a certain
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extent there's no financial consequences they're living in a world without that discipline being
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imposed on them which they like um i mean it's nice to to live in a world without consequences
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but then what happens is when that world gets looked at by outside observers through youtube
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you know through all these these snippets from the convention all these snippets from
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the juno i mean no one actually watches the junos but some of the snippets have made it onto social
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media because they're so ludicrous people look at it and and they realize how absurd it is because
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it it's so discordant with kind of like the normal day-to-day life and concerns and politics that
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the vast majority of canadians have it just it looks insane it does look very silly i i agree
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with so much of you said i mean i was uh joking with my uh producers earlier that you know when
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was in university and you know my 20s we used to make fun of people who got like a gender studies
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degree because it's like what are you going to do with that degree right you're going to be
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unemployed right uh it turns out we were wrong they're not going to be unemployed because they're
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going to it turned out what they did was they created all of these different kind of industries
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for themselves through hr uh through civil service groups i mean one of them i know you wrote a piece
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about the chairwoman or i guess we should only call her chair um of the ndp convention who's
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whose videos got mocked far and wide on social media, her name's Adrienne Smith, and she's
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So just to remind the audience who I'm talking about, this was probably the most infamous
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clip from the NDP convention, where the non-binary chair, Adrienne Smith, argues with a keffia-wearing
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This is sort of one of those things that, you know, they're quibbling over who got to
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speak next and who who got oh i was supposed to speak next but somehow this person did even though
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i have this card that says whatever and then and then it all ends with uh smith saying don't call
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me she don't call me a woman i'm i'm a they them um so we'll just uh roll this clip to uh jog your
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memory this is sought eight yes hello i i was standing here with my gender equity card before
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you called on the previous speaker canada cannot and will not be part of the legacy of blood that
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was built in iraq in palestine and now in iran this is a no question debate i call this question
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adam and chairs thank you your points quite well made uh speaker i'll again thank delegates not
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to call me madam chair or madame la president i'm a non-binary person my pronouns are they them and
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there. Chair is sufficient. And with regret, you've spoken to the resolution. It's not open
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to you to also call the question. If the question is the will of the house, someone else must call
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it because we heard from you in substantive debate. Okay, so you get the point, right?
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A lot of quibbling over the very small menu rules, but you can see there that there is some kind of
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an oppression olympics happening here where uh you know the room kind of applauds for her for
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for saying you misgendered me uh she's a long history of this so you wrote about how she was
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caught on tape conducting a struggle session uh back in 2023 with a group of bc public servants
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apparently i mean she's a lawyer she represents human rights um complaints she's an employment
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lawyer so this is this is she's like a professional you know someone who promotes this sort of law
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fair and the the adding adding this gender i don't i don't even know gender infused ideology
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into our laws into our government um she has a sort of long history of being involved we actually
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run a guest piece uh today at juno news by nick osmond jones i believe you know who was basically
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writing about this woman's background all the things she's been involved you should go check
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out that piece over at juno news um but including the fact that on her website it says that if you
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you misgender her during one of her sessions, she will fine you $100. So she's very serious
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about this whole misgendering thing. But again, kind of just like a reminder, these people have
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a lot more power in our society than we really think. You know, we laugh at them, we see these
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videos, it's so absurd that they're actually influencing you. She testified as well in favor
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of Bill C-6, which was a very controversial legislation, not controversial for the MPs,
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they all voted in favor of it. There's unanimous consent in the House of Commons in favor of this
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bill that bans uh what they call conversion therapy but it also bans therapy for gender confused
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um young people that you have to have affirming care so affirming care is like the reverse of
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what you think it means it means that if a person comes in and they're gender confused you have to
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affirm the delusion that they are the opposite gender so again uh uh just you know some someone
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who's actually very involved in uh implementing these kinds of things in in government and in
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in academia as well uh what do you think so the clip you showed was interesting what you cropped
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off the beginning of the clip where the the woman in the kafia she herself identified herself as she
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they uh what's interesting is like a whole bunch of other ndp candidates delegates there even when
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they were talking about everything else under the sun those like it seems like 30 40 50 percent of
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of them uh had some semblance of like they pronouns so it was it was a very odd thing and
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you could tell the whole room wanted to like explode in laughter for this kathia woman who
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was talking about the the war crimes of the united states and it was going to be like this big bonding
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moment and you could see her voice rise to the occasion and then the chair this woman adrian
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smith just like kind of kills it and it's like well let's talk about me actually my pronouns are
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they them and and the whole room is kind of like okay what and then like this sort of this clapping
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for her for her pronouns and it wasn't clear like okay can we go back to clapping about how bad the
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united states is and the whole moment just like became this um extremely awkward sort of example
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of why a fixation on on labels regarding your personal identity it kind of destroys the whole
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group esprit de corps that's the basis of party politics that's the basis of like sports teams
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that's the basis of tightly knit companies it's it should be about a common project but you could
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see that this chair who otherwise you know acquitted herself in a fairly you know she
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she obviously knew like Roger's rules of order and she's citing chapter and verse in terms of
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what people are allowed to talk about like she's very officious and bureaucratic and legal-minded
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when it comes to the actual procedural elements but then when it comes to this sort of en passant
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throwaway remark about Madame Chair she just completely hijacks the conversation and starts
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lecturing people about this non-existent thing called a non-binary identity she's clearly a
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woman. And as you said, she's been known to me since at least 2023, I think, because this
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contributor you have, his name's Nick Osmond-Jones, lives in BC. He, if I remember correctly,
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worked for the BC government or an agency, I think it was an arm's length agency of the BC
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government. And Smith had been brought in in 2021 to lecture everybody about gender weighing
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and gave you know to our presentation about um asexuals and the whole thing is on tape and in
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fact if you go to quillette and read his article we have a link a soundcloud link to it and um
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and then nick asked like some perfectly innocent question well i regarded as innocent and she went
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ballistic and in fact i think this policy that she has on her website about how when she's giving a
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gender weighing training session and somebody's transphobic or misgenders or whatnot that you
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know she charges her client an extra hundred dollars i think it's probably based on what
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nick did because she went ballistic and then um like reported nick to his boss and nick was was
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dragged into the the deputy um the deputy's office and it just became a whole thing and so what was
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supposed to be this kind of it was one of these like friday afternoon box lunch professional
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development sessions supposed to be you know kind of casual but instead it was this maoist struggle
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session about gender weighing and as soon as anybody asked a question that was off base from
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her dogma uh like the first thing she did is she reported this person for discipline which kind of
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you know speaks to the kind of um authoritarian ethos that governs this uh and then subsequent to
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that so i was watching this ndp thing and i remember looking at that room looks really familiar
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like she has a very distinctive look um like the haircut and the everything about it's like i've
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seen this this person somewhere before and and then on twitter nick said that's the same woman
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that's her like that's the same woman who who gave this insane gender weighing presentation
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and then turned me in turned state's evidence on me and and and i think eventually gotten fired if
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i remember correctly and um and then so as this was crowdsourced online i also learned that she
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was behind half a dozen other things like so she was one of the um proponents of defunding the
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vancouver rape crisis center which is for women because it's a rape crisis center and there was
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this 61 year old man who wanted to be a peer counselor to female rape victims and the vancouver
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rape center rape crisis center said no because that's completely inappropriate and if if i
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remember correctly she was on his side and the whole thing was subject to a human rights complaint
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but in the end the vancouver rape crisis center was defunded by the city of vancouver in large part
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thanks to her agitation which is by the way i should say which is how i became a regular donor
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to the vancouver rape crisis center because they needed more money from private donors because the
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city of vancouver decided they weren't going to give money to a female rape crisis center that
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actually cares to females so um i became a donor and i encourage other people to investigate
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donating to them anyway she was behind that she also took the side of that i don't remember that
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Yeah, we know him, John, because he sent us a cease and desist letter last week because he sent one to everyone saying, if you don't, if you retweet Billboard Chris again, I will haul you in front of the BC Human Rights Board.
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I mean, I think he sent it to like 30 people, including Juno News, including Western Standard and many others.
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anyway we got it we got to move on we got to get to the juno awards i teased it at the beginning
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and we don't have much time here so you know this all this got really overshadowed by the
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ndp convention uh we usually do cover the juno awards you know we have the same name uh they
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came first they were the juno awards uh a very sort of woke um ode to canadian subsidized music
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which is you know the real canadian musicians don't show up to this thing because it's a joke
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uh part of the reason we named our company juno news is because we wanted to take back this name
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juno right juno was the really that was the soldiers yes that's the more consequential
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juno i would argue well exactly right and and that and that that is part of our canadian history
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that was where canada had an outsized role fighting the nazis and helping the good guys
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win world war ii um and so we wanted to take back that name but we wanted to uh just you know show
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show a little bit about these juno awards i thought you characterized it perfectly john when
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you wrote this on x you said this is called the juno awards it's a hallowed annual canadian ritual
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where government subsidized canadians pretend that ordinary canadians enjoy listening to whatever
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this is supposed to be and then we'll just play a quick clip of this inook uh singer performance
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that is so bad okay just one more here this is the host
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of these juno awards her name is may martin also uh they them a non-binary and this is very cringe
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she goes like full fangirl over mark carney and apparently his speech in davos which was very
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moving to her like how the audience explodes with laughter as if everybody watched this like
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davos speech i mean maybe they did i don't know but anyway and then she she basically says that
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mark carney is like her daddy uh let's roll this as a soft five i do have to say though that when
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i saw mark carney's speech at davos did you see that it i felt as a childlike pride i felt like
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he was canada's dad sticking up to the bullies i was like that's my prime minister and then i saw
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him posing with the cast of heated rivalry and just my nerve my nervous system just relaxed
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and then just one more of that host may martin uh talking to delhi for tatto maybe one of the
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more bankable canadian musicians that actually bothers to go to this um where she's pitching
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a new version of promiscuous girl but she wants to call it they them this is just pure cringe this
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is sought sex and i'm actually vibrating right now because i'm standing near the great nelly furtado
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hi nelly hi how are you how are you i'm uh i'm so i'm glad we have like a private moment alone the
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two of us here and because i actually wanted to pitch you something i wanted to do a cover
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of promiscuous girl it's promiscuous they them do you like that it doesn't have the same ring
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to it you love it okay great it could be the video could be good it's me in sensible jeans
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trying to decide which bathroom to use thank you thank you yes a little bit of self-deprecating
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humor i guess there but kind of to your point right that it's all it's all very narcissistic
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the whole woke idea that you know it's all about her and and and her being they them kind of feels
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like group therapy a little bit where she's talking about uh uh you know being they them
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trying to decide which bathroom to go into it it's all just so cringed jonathan but the point
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really is that this is kind of like mainstream in cam i mean i don't know the juno awards are
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supposed to be like our national music where i don't know how many people watch them probably
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not many uh but they obviously feel so comfortable pushing forward this ideology that they that they
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made it sort of front of center front and center in their music's armani bay having a non-binary
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hose it did kind of a very similar thing that the ndp chair did what do you make of it well one thing
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i you know people people will complain like this like anti-woke people will complain like oh this
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another cherished canadian institution has been destroyed by wokeness
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i'm like well really did you even watch the junos 10 or 20 years ago before it was destroyed by
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wokeness like no you didn't because it was an unendurable farce for completely different reasons
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like the the hosts pretended we listened to all these other like hoser bands that no one actually
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listened to um and it was like the same kind of cringy thing it was just it was like more mainstream
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cringe and this cringe i mean it's kind of sad that may martin couldn't even get like a decent
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belly laugh out of people going to her bread and butter they them stuff like you can just tell
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they workshop that joke forever and it didn't even land which is kind of sad she's a professional
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comedian i've been told she's actually like a skilled comedian i take her word for it i um
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i confess like i don't watch a lot of tv or um listen to a lot of canadian music in general
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so i'm not an expert i do consider myself an expert on calling out cringe but i don't consider
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myself an expert on these art forms but if you take this another context like if you take the
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grant i don't think a lot of people watch the grammys either but the people who do the grammys
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wouldn't do like this kind of really embarrassing um fawning tribute to the sitting president
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whether it was like obama or biden or trump or whatnot because they say well this is this is
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ridiculous this is we're going to alienate half the country if we do this like it's just totally
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inappropriate but that's because they presume they're going to have a mass audience whereas
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the sad thing about what we just saw with the junos is the only way that full shtick would make
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sense is if the people in the room just kind of acknowledge well no one's watching anyway so we
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can just kind of say what we want and treat it as like our own private little treehouse
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where we just kind of like we're talking to each other and when you watch stuff like that
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i guess it's kind of like the ndp convention the reason it sounds so ridiculous and cringy
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is you're watching clips it's presumed that very few people outside that little
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cliquish ecosystem are watching it and those people all have monolithic politics like there's
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probably you know no one in that room who's or very few people in that room who's a conservative
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voter or who would admit to it so like of course they kind of pretend to laugh and put their hand
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oh yeah the date like do they even know what davos is probably not but may martin is telling
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them to clap for it so they do and that's the thing that annoys me most about it isn't you know
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it's not that the music is so terrible some of it that you just played is pretty hard to listen to
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but it's just this kind of smug cliquishness and all of it is made possible with taxpayer dollars
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and this pretense that they're all like artistic geniuses who are you know channeling the voice
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and consciousness and artistic brilliance of an entire nation that's like you know
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the distillation of 40 million people our musical soul is brought to the world at the Juno events
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which is quite it's nonsense it's like essentially an incestuous little clubhouse event where they
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tell jokes that they pretend to find funny for the benefit of each other because no one else is
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listening and when other people do listen and they watch they're horrified like the Daily Mail
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which is a british newspaper they ran a whole article about how appalling that that juno's
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juno spectacle you showed was like that um the tribute to the suede tribute to nelly frittato
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um which like if you're not in that world and and if you're not like as a canadian we're just
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kind of roll our eyes it's like oh right it's the junos it's unfortunately this happens every year
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but in britain where they've never heard of the junos like to them juno really does mean juno
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beach right uh and there's oh there's this music award show in canada called the juno so i guess
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it's just you know justin bieber and that's drake and stuff but then no it's like this appalling
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thing and they they find it hilarious as well they should um i think i think we've gone full circle
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there because it's true that canada has become like the laughing stock when it comes to the woke
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excesses and we we're sort of a cautionary tale on many public policy issues from our made policy
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um and the expansion of euthanasia uh to yeah the silliness of having basically it feels like
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a bunch of university students out there lecturing the country and taking us back to 2018 where we
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had to all say our pronouns and uh you know not misgender one another go ahead i'm going to push
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back on the euthanasia thing um probably not a popular opinion with with your views i actually
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support made uh that's medical assistance and dying i um i'm a libertarian when it comes to
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that and there's all sorts of horror stories about you know people being pressured to it
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there needs to be guardrails um i actually think that marijuana legalization
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made there's certain things that justin trudeau got right and like i'm
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i think we'll have to disagree agree i'm a progressive at heart yeah yeah
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I think it's just a total affront to human dignity
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it's like people go in for a medical appointment
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and they don't come home because they are offered MAID.
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where it's one of the number one causes of death.
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i'm glad i will have the option i'm glad i will have the option to determine my own fate when
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that time comes all right let's let's let's end it at that and we'll have to have you on for a
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broader debate on that so i think i appreciate your time and uh the back and forth here we'll
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have to have you on again soon all right folks that's all the time we have for today thank you
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so much i'm kind of welcome thank you and god bless