Juno News - October 20, 2024
Will Trudeau go down with his carbon tax?
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In this episode, I'm joined by the federal director of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation to break down the latest PBO report on the carbon tax, and ask the question: Are you actually getting out of pocket because of it?
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and now i'm joined by franco terrazzano the federal director of the canadian's taxpayers
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federation to break down the latest pbo report on the carbon tax are you actually getting out
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ahead because of it the federal government certainly wants you to think so franco some
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thank you so much for being here today hey my pleasure thanks for having me on so obviously
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we're really grateful for the canadian taxpayers federation for all the work that you guys do
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to break down these numbers for canadians and actually get to the heart of what's going on
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we know there's been a lot of disinformation from the true liberals about the carbon tax and they
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seem desperate to convince canadians that it's benefiting us why don't you start by breaking
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down these latest numbers from the pbo what does it actually say about how canadians are being impacted
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by the carbon tax well it's costing us big time and it's costing us more hundreds of dollars more
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than what we're getting back in rebates right so the pbo the parliamentary budget officer which is
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the government's own independent non-partisan budget watchdog is proving once again with like its
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third report it's proving what canadians outside of the political bubble in ottawa already know that
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the carbon tax is making our lives more expensive so here are the numbers folks that according to the
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pbo the carbon tax will cost the average family up to three hundred and ninety nine dollars more this
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year than what they're getting back in rebates but of course trudeau plans to make your life more
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expensive by cranking up the carbon tax every single year so by 2030 the carbon tax will cost the average
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family up to nine hundred and three dollars more than what they're getting back in rebates but you know
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what folks even those huge costs downplay the total costs over those time right so between now and the
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end of 2030 the carbon tax will cost the average family up to four thousand three hundred dollars more
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than what they're getting back in rebates so pbo confirming what most canadians already know is that
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the carbon tax makes our life more expensive and is a huge drag on the canadian economy with this
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liberal government a trend that we've seen more so than with any other government that i've personally
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covered is really just uh hard-headedness they seem so unwilling to change directions even when
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it's been proven time and time again that the policies they're putting forward aren't working for
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canadians we've even seen bc premier david evey obviously in the midst of an election change his tune
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on carbon tax carbon pricing you know like they usually like to use more euphemisms to refer to it because
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it's so unpopular why do you think that the trudeau government hasn't changed directions on the carbon
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tax is it just something that they believe they're so tied to ideologically that they're unwilling to
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to change their tune on it you know that's a really good question and the honest answer is i don't know
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like i really don't know right because you can see that they're sticking to the carbon tax as of yet
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to their own detriment right everyone can read the same polls that show the support for the liberals are
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plummeting well let's ask ourselves why support for the liberals in ottawa are plummeting it's because
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they are making life too expensive and like the key example is the carbon tax and you know the reason
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the carbon tax is so damaging so hurtful for so many canadians is because it it impacts almost every
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aspect of canadian life well canada is a very big country guess what the carbon tax makes it more
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expensive for you to get around for you to fuel up your car to get to work or to take the kids
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to hockey practice well canada is a very cold place and guess what the carbon tax makes it more expensive
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for you to stay warm right the carbon tax on natural gas alone this year will cost the average family
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like 360 bucks and that's just the carbon tax on natural gas uh well guess what we all need to eat
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and the carbon tax stings you there too right the carbon tax makes it more expensive for farmers to grow
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food the carbon tax makes it more expensive for truckers to deliver the food and of course the
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carbon tax makes it more expensive for you to buy food and let's not forget our economy which is so
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reliant on canada's abundant natural resources well the carbon tax will cost our canadian economy
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like 12 billion dollars this year alone you know i just want to sort of even take a stab at that it was
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funny i was reading the news today and steven guibo our federal environment minister his press secretary
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even admitted in media she said you know the carbon tax gets a lot of negative attention
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i suspect one of the reasons the liberals aren't willing to change their tune on this is because
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they've been pushing it so hard for so long that it would basically just admit the level of government
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incompetence and that they are not able to govern canadians properly i don't know if it's something
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that they could really change their tune on because i suspect it would lead to the fall of the government
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because it's been something they've been pushing so hard for so long and it's really if you think about
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the liberal government this has been one of their pinnacle policies from day one this is something
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that they've been pushing so hard since trudeau was elected so i don't know if they can change
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their tune on it i know canadians are hoping that we'll be heading to the polls that early soon
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speaking of guibo we have him once again trying to justify this tax let's roll this clip of him
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in the house of commons i want to get your reaction to it franco considering only the fiscal
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impact of the federal fuel charge pbo estimates that average household in each of the backstop
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provinces in 2030 2031 will see a net gain receiving more from the canada carbon rebate than the total
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amount they pay in federal fuel charge that's what the pbo report says so now's the time to clear the
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air on pierre poliev's big lie to canadian he's been misleading canadian the pbo is very clear canadian
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more canadians get money back from the canada carbon rebate than than what they pay what is also clear
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is that our plan is working we've never seen in our history before emissions go down at a time of
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full economic growth in this country that that has never happened before
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okay i'm gonna let you respond to the actual content of what he said there but just off the
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top just kind of reading his body language nothing says i know the facts like literally reading off of
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a piece of paper like this is you're the federal environment minister you literally have one job
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you can't even memorize basic facts to read them to the media you understand this so little that you
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actually have to read the report like i could do that like anyone could do that go ahead rachel
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rachel uh he kind of let the cat out of the bag when he said quote only the fiscal impacts right
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ignore the big costs in the room ignore the elephant in the room uh you know what gibo minister
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not so fast because you're not considering the full cost of the carbon tax right rachel what he said
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is like me saying yeah i'm sticking to my diet if you don't count the big mac and fries and beer that
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i had saturday night right well you can't just look at one part of the cost you got to look at all of the
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costs and what as i mentioned right the carbon tax it doesn't just cost you when you go to the gas
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pumps it doesn't just cost you when you heat your home right it costs you in almost every aspect of
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life where the carbon tax costs are passed throughout the entire economy just as an example
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right when a farmer is growing food well the carbon tax will cost farmers like a billion dollars by 2030
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then you got to have a trucker to deliver the food well the carbon tax cost truckers about two
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billion dollars this year alone so you can see how the carbon tax has this trickle effect
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throughout the entire canadian economy right so gibo isn't even covering the full costs
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right but the parliamentary budget officer looked at all of the costs and when you look at all of the
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costs the carbon tax will cost average families hundreds of dollars more than they get back in
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rebates oh by the way the pbo's numbers only look at the consumer carbon tax right you're also paying
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an industrial carbon tax and another carbon tax that trudeau buried in fuel regulation so at the
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end of the day the carbon tax is costing canadians big time and you know what i think the liberals even
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know that frigo just my last question for you here i talked to chris sims the alberto director of the
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canadian taxpayers federation all the time and she tells me a lot of you know really heart-wrenching
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stories about how many how much you guys are hearing from canadians about how they're really struggling
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with regards to this latest report i mean i know there's also just a level of fatigue with the
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level government it seems like it's bad news all the time with them but you guys often get more of
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a personal element when you're hearing from people who are you know really struggling to make ends meet
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losing their homes can't pay for gas can't pay for groceries have you heard from canadians about this
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latest report well the big thing that we're getting from canadians from this latest report we hear from
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canadians all the time struggling to make ends meet but from this latest report it's kind of well no
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duh of course the carbon tax is making life more expensive of course the carbon tax cost people more
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than what they get back in rebates right like think about it the government also charges its sales tax on
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top of the carbon tax costing canadians hundreds of millions of dollars and that tax on tax money isn't
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rebated back right the government is also spending like 200 million dollars hiring the bureaucrats to
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administer the carbon tax so there's no way that a government can impose a carbon tax skim hundreds of
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millions of dollars off the top then charge its sales tax on top of the carbon tax and somehow make
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everyone better off and rachel you know i mentioned that even the liberals know the carbon tax makes life
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more expensive case in point last year the liberal government trudeau surrounded by his atlantic
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canadian caucus announced that he would take the carbon tax off of furnace oil for a couple of
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years to provide relief well the carbon tax isn't making life more expensive why would trudeau take the
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carbon tax off of furnace oil that was an admission that the carbon tax makes life more expensive and it
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was also an admission that the carbon tax is about politics not the planet franco thank you so much