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- December 19, 2024
Will Trudeau make it to the next election?
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welcome back to another episode of the northern dispatch it's been quite a week in canadian
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politics justin trudeau has lost his most loyal and closest political ally the woman who was by
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his side for the last nine years carrying his government's agenda christia freeland is gone
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in a blaze of glory i should say in a scathing public statement which we are going to get to and
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she's not the only cabinet minister who has left this week sean fraser i guess you could call him a
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disgraced former minister who was responsible for the housing disaster and before that the
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immigration disaster is also gone uh guys what a week here how much longer is justin trudeau going
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to hold on to power oh that's the magical question right um you know i think his ego is going to make
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it a lot a lot tougher for him to to actually depart um there seems to be something personal uh about uh
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about him and and pier poliev yeah and the other problem is that before trudeau became leader of
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the party the liberal party got rid of the function within their constitution that permissed them to
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remove a leader um the only time that they can review leadership is after essentially a disastrous
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incident such as a failed election failed by election etc well we'll have to see if uh if he
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decides to hold on if he decides to go through this mutiny it'll just make for at least some
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interesting content for us but unfortunately probably pretty rough results for the country before we get
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into uh the meat and potatoes of the show today let's read some comments from the last episode
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uh the first one here comes from linda watson 8312 she writes trump knows canadians want true dope
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gone trump wants to help us not harm us i sure hope so because if he doesn't want to harm us it's not
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like we can do much about that agreed the next comment is from a wifer stress 2824 it says
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when you want to help people you tell them the truth when you want to help yourself you tell them
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what they want to hear from thomas soul and we have daryl kenneth 9902 money for illegal immigrants
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and housing but deducts taxes on disability benefits for those who paid into their pensions
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for 40 years knocking it down to less than welfare recipients then pensioners have to go to welfare
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for top ops to keep above the poverty line and you know we we hear about this every single day of
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seniors skipping meals of seniors moving in with their their kids because they just can't afford
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to live anymore and it's it's a sad state of affairs in canada well speaking of the sad state
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of affairs that was what we were discussing last episode and we asked the question to all of you
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watching if you think that justin trudeau is intentionally manipulating the economy for
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political points i'm shocked about this result i really am 97 of you agreed wow i didn't see that
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one coming yeah and that no could be a statistical anomaly i think those were oopses yeah i think so at
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that point well the new poll question which is pinned to the top of this youtube video you can find in
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the comment section the new poll question is will justin trudeau lead the liberal party into the next
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election we will be we'll be announcing the results of that on january 9th because we are taking some
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time away for the christmas break but we'll we'll be reading the results of that poll on january 9th
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what do you guys think do you think that uh trudeau is going to lead the liberals in uh in 2025 for the
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next election i think he's going to try i don't know if he's going to succeed but i think
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he's going to try i think he's going to be facing immense pressure even over the holidays um i think
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the closer we get to that uh to that inauguration day of donald trump the more pressure is going to
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be ramping up and i think donald trump is just going to be poking him every single day just for
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fun because that's what donald trump does and the canadian media is just going to go bananas every time
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he does it so um that's the interesting thing about this whole dynamic is trump can poke uh
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trudeau and there's nothing that trudeau can do about it absolutely nothing at all you know i i
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thought that uh before the christian freeland debacle before this even worse mutiny that he's
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now facing i did think that trudeau would hold on as leader and lead the party through but i just
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don't see it at this point i don't see him sticking it out for the year just to get absolutely crushed
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i think his ego i think he's a i'm going to give him a little bit of credit here potentially dangerous
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but i'm going to say that he's smart enough to know that for his own ego he doesn't want to lose
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right he'll want to go out on top as prime minister leave someone else to be the next kim
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campbell leave them holding the bag and uh forced to take a massive out just so he can say
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he went out on top and never lost but let's get into what has triggered all of this and what is
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driving the news cycle and likely will be for the next month and that is christia freeland's
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resignation we knew that she was under pressure right we knew that she was likely going to be
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forced out of her job but nobody saw it coming on monday morning nobody saw it coming in the way
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that it did with this very scathing public resignation letter calling out justin trudeau for playing
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political games as she writes costly political gimmicks in response to the donald trump tariff
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threat guys it feels like this donald trump tariff threat has been dominating this show since we
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started it's crazy he's basically pulling strings in this country well i think uh i think a lot of
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canadians forget what the donald trump error was the first you know four years it feels like so long
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ago but it was only you know a little over four years ago that uh that he was in and he dominated
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virtually all news cycles in north america and even around the world because you never knew what
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he was going to do or say next and that was the thing about it but you know the whole thing about
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this as well is that even even the circumstance around christia freeland and this zoom call that
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she had with justin trudeau and the conversation that has been reported on by the global mail by
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national post and and everybody else except cbc was that he had essentially said you're going to be
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fired but you're going to be fired after you read the economic statement and then that position is going
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to go to carney and then yesterday cbc was putting out this misinformation piece on the fact that
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peer polyev was a lying politician trying to say this and she said that no credible journalist has
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actually has actually reported on this it's like hello cbc do you not actually pay attention to what
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your other peers are reporting because that's what he was going off of tanya do you think that christia
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freeland took this opportunity to inflict maximum damage on justin trudeau that she timed this just so
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that it would be as has been reported his worst day as prime minister well when we were discussing
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this on northern perspective ryan had made the comment that he thinks she's doing this in an
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effort to have a leadership bid and i mean you know the saying hell hath no fury like a woman scorned
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so i think she went for maximum damage and if it is her intention to run as leader of the liberal party
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she's trying to come out strong trying to come out as you don't get to tell me what to do you can't
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replace me i'm going to replace you it's interesting you know uh ryan we we were reading reports from the
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liberal christmas party which christia freeland attended with her family and the reporting was that
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she was like a superstar in the room all these party staffers wanted to take selfies with her and shake
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her hand and they gave her a standing ovation even in the caucus meeting they gave her a standing
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ovation it looks as though there there could be a palace coup happening here we we don't usually think
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about the liberal party outside of justin trudeau we're now getting that opportunity to see what
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might happen uh do you think that she has any chance of succeeding as a potential liberal leader i don't see it
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i think she thinks she does uh this just feeds into the i think how out of touch all of the cabinet is
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because polling in terms of the probability of people wanting her as a as a candidate has never
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been above 20 percent so you know the the metric for none of the above in terms of the potential
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candidates for the next leader of the liberal party was at like 26 27 percent and all of the actual
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candidates were below that but i think christia freeland thinks that she has she's made a very
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brilliant maneuver here i think it was in terms of doing damage to justin trudeau and i think she's
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trying to play this correctly uh in in that caucus meeting there was there was a a source in there that
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actually said that she went up and hugged justin trudeau so i think she's trying to
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be the be the bigger person trying to play the martyr and and to show that oh you know i'm just
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another woman that uh that this fake feminist feminist is actually uh is actually damaging here
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so i think she thinks she's going to be but yeah i agree with you i when it comes down to the actual
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party voting for all bets are off because all of these potential candidates including mark carney nobody
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wants them so it's going to be interesting to see who actually emerges on top yeah i think
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that freeland and her supporters underestimate just how unpopular she is with the canadian
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public i mean you may have their their core supporters like the people who are diehard liberals
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who really want christia freeland in that role who really want a female prime minister but the rest of
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us in the country really really dislike her i think the stats show that well and i just say you know
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what if trudeau is is going to step down please give us christia freeland just from a news perspective
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please put her in that role because that would essentially cement the liberals dropping into the
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basement after the next election right and think about the damage that christia freeland would do if
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she somehow ends up as as a prime minister for four months maybe even even fewer months than that she
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still has to represent this country at the negotiating table across from donald trump who she accused of
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being a tyrant while he was president the first time during the usmca negotiations she to me you know is
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just nowhere near the top of my list for who i would want to be the the prime minister a temporary
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prime minister you know i think about uh someone like dominic leblanc someone like uh eve uh not uh no
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francois philippe champagne you know i mix up the french the quebecers sometimes i mix up their names
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but those two guys have really escaped a lot of criticism they've managed to escape the attacks
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uh from the liberal government's failures for the most part they usually never looked at as responsible
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for liberal failures i think of the people that could take the job over
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it looks as though uh dominic leblanc is probably going to be uh the uh the interim prime minister
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in my opinion at least but let's let's look at what's going out what's going on here now the
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fallout jagmeet singh is now calling for justin trudeau's resignation he called for it on monday
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this is a big departure from what what has been reported in the past he's now completely flipped
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what when is it when is uh when is a a confidence vote going to be called when is this guy going to
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be forced to uh to face the music guys well it's it's just the the latest uh i would say i don't
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even have words for jagmeet singh anymore in in his quote-unquote strategy because not even one week
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before he voted to keep trudeau in power uh via the confidence vote and voted against his own words
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and then not even days later the liberal government for the third time ordered a union back to work
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through the cirb um and i think he is just trying to trying to get ahead of what he everyone can see
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is a disaster uh for justin trudeau yet he's not calling for the liberal government to have an
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election he just wants justin trudeau to step down so what that says to canadians is i'm okay with
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everything the government has done it's just justin trudeau is the problem and he he is not seizing the
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moment that he needs to to demonstrate himself to be a leader or to demonstrate himself to be what
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he says he wants to be which is the next prime minister of canada but in terms of a confidence
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vote it's going to depend on what types of votes end up coming in through the house because what
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everyone needs to remember is just because we're going to the christmas break that doesn't mean the
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house is not going to be seized when we come back so the question of privilege will continue on the
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sdtc scandal if that is somehow dealt with there is at least one or two other questions or privileges
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that the conservatives have lined up to continue to have the house seized so you may only have on a
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scheduled opposition day from christia freeland you may have greg fergus have to actually schedule
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something to do with the the finances or the budget or an opposition day in order for a confidence vote
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to actually come about yeah but peter julian pretty much admitted that the ndp won't be ready to vote
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non-confidence until late february early march i wonder why that is well and it was very very strange
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because that was vastly different than what jagmeet was saying all he was saying is all options are on
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the table but when cornered cbc actually made peter julian say well yeah yeah we would vote non-confidence
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if trudeau was still around late february early march which strangely enough that's around jagmeet's
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pension time now to play devil's advocate would it not be politically strategic for the ndp to just
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ask for justin trudeau to resign because clearly a pierre pauliev government is going to do even worse
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for the ndp agenda than a liberal government would even though it's unpopular they still have their own
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interests they they know that they can get things done with the liberal government and they're not
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going to get it with the pierre pauliev government at all so i mean of course he's of course he's not
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going to call for an immediate election right well it all depends on what jagmeet Singh's end game is
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and how much the ndp accepts reality because that's the one thing that's been missing from the ndp strategy
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look at the bloc for example the bloc knows they are not going to be the majority party they
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will never be the majority party the main goal of the bloc is to get the most seats that they can
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and the most power that they can that is should be the equivalent goal of the ndp um it's it's
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unrealistic for the ndp to expect that they're going to be winning an election in the next 10 or 15 years
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in canada so the most that they can for is the most seats so what did the bloc do the bloc took an
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opportunity when the ndp ripped up the agreement and they made a shrewd maneuver that they knew
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wouldn't work in in terms of getting some of their bills passed but it demonstrated to their voters
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that they tried to get something done what did that result in that resulted in increased polls
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for the bloc and then when the liberals didn't hold up their end of the bargain like eblanchette knew
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they wouldn't what ended up happening is they stuck to their guns kept their word and then said
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now we're going to try and bring down the government and the bloc has been soaring high
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ever since because they're demonstrating to their voters we will say something we will do it and we
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will keep our word then you have jagmeet singh who he's been flip-flopping so much nobody believes a
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word that he says anymore from a strategic perspective if i were advising them i would say
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listen you are tied to the wagon of the liberal brand and whatever they do from here on in you are going
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down with them i would have advised them last march to get out of this and use pharmacare as their
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election platform now they don't have an election platform at all except for this take the gst off of
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everything and even then that's going to hurt them because they agreed with the liberals and voted them
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for this fake gst holiday so in terms of strategy the ndp is sunk i think the most realistic
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reason why they're waiting until next next spring is to try and get more canadians onto the next phase
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of the dental care program so jagmeet can say see see we will bring more of this if you bring us into
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power and that's all i got i think the ndp missed the boat they should strike while there is the most
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turmoil within the liberal government because the liberals and the ndp are both on the left side of the
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political spectrum if the ndp worked really hard they would be able to steal voters away from the
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liberals especially because the party is in complete chaos right now um i think for the ndp their
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strategy needs to be to get as many seats as possible maybe if they campaigned really hard
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they could even be the official opposition i don't know if they can do it anymore if they're if they're
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not waiting now like they need to strike while the iron is hot while the liberal government and the
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liberal party is a complete disaster and it seems like they're still willing to support this liberal
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party for some mysterious reason until the end of february or early march and that goes back to
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your point harrison about if jagmeet doesn't want pierre polyev to be in government then what he should
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be doing is trying like heck to get those other left-leaning voters away from the liberals and vote
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for the ndp so he can at least build the party up to a degree where it's large enough to be able to
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realistically hold a government to account you know you look at justin trudeau and you watch how
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he has responded to this uh mutiny round two because remember he faced he faced one after the
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st paul's toronto st paul's disaster this one is much worse you look at his recent reaction you look
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at what he's been saying at the liberal christmas party and at the laurier club fundraiser i don't
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think he's going anywhere anytime soon he starts to bring out the wedge issues again when in doubt
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for the liberals start talking about abortion that's it seems to be that seems to be the play
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with this guy and i honestly i find that i find that very gross because no one in canada is talking
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about abortion the conservatives aren't talking about this but they just continue to use it as a
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weapon to attack conservatives justin trudeau uses it to wedge canadians and i find that it's so nasty
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it's this issue that canadians aren't really concerned with at the moment because we know
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that it's protected by our constitution um the liberals will trot this out anytime that they need
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to get a leg up on the conservatives but the conservatives are not looking to ban abortion
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they're not looking to restrict it they're not looking to legislate it in any manner so the fact
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that the liberals are are doing this it's like this boogeyman issue that i think they're using to
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galvanize their current base what they should be doing is looking at issues that affect a broader
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range of canadians and use those issues and talk about those issues and how they're going to fix those
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things and maybe draw in more people who have been liberal in the past but are currently voting for
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conservative because of the current state of the country well and i think the reason why this
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this this ace in the hole uh that they've been using to deal with the last conservative attempts
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to to overthrow them it hasn't worked is because the affordability crisis is so bad um that is what
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people are focused on and this has come out of the blue right so it's been affordability foreign
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interference affordability affordability affordability and then all of a sudden the liberals say
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but worry about abortion right it it is so transparent that this is nothing more than a political wedge
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issue that they're trying to create and canadians aren't buying it anymore you know you look at you
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look at the the last public statements that we have received from justin trudeau and from pierre
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polyev justin trudeau is talking about you know the the danger that women face due to a lack of access
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to abortion which is not true there are no limits on abortion so he's talking about something that
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no canadian is actually facing no issue any canadian is facing and polyev is talking about you know an
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interaction with a waitress and an interaction with a uh with a guy who works at uh at labat talking
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about the difficulties that they are facing in reality not some fic not some fictitious scenario that
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has been trotted out by justin trudeau but real canadians suffering from real issues caused by the
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government it couldn't be more clear that they're fishing for anything they can get right now and no
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surprise that in the lead up to uh that well on the anniversary of the ecole polytechnique massacre the
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liberals bring out another gun ban and once they ended up banning you know world war ii era anti-aircraft
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guns that no one actually owns and are and are are already illegal so it's obvious these guys are
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are struggling they are desperate and they've got nothing to they're just trying out they're trying
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out their usual wedge issues well and this just goes to to show how effective that pierre and his team
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have been at controlling the narrative that comes out of their caucus because what ends up killing
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political parties it's a scandal it's somebody makes a big misstep and then your opponents capitalize
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all over it so um there hasn't really been anything that the liberals have been able to capitalize on
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so they've just resorted to the same old liberal tactics we just talked about that abortion that hasn't
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worked and so they've been trying to just manufacture a scandal out of anything and nothing has been
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sticking because they are counting on pierre polyev to respond to this instead of continuing to attack
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him like john rustad did and a lot of a lot of political analysts are saying that's why john rustad
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didn't win the bc election is because he started going on the defense rather than on offense the conservatives
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haven't done that um brilliantly pierre is the one that keeps attacking and if there is any defense to be run
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he he lets the rest of his team kind of handle that down down the line but his main his main job is
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to go after justin trudeau and the liberals and that's what he's continued to do so the fact that
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he's gone two years two whole years and given the the liberals virtually nothing to work with that is
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frustrating the heck out of them and you can see it whenever mark miller talks he is just so irritated
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just uh just the other day he was on ctv and he called pierre an irritating sob like who uses that
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language that's completely unparliamentary so they are so frustrated that they can't find
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any wiggle room and they've tried everything under the sun and their polls aren't moving it's just a
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state of canada they're tired of this government they're tired of justin trudeau and they want to
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change i want to ask you this um tanya why do you think it is that we haven't seen some of these
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liberal mp backbenchers chad collins anthony house father patrick wheeler sean casey who have
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been openly calling for trudeau's resignation who have no respect for justin trudeau they're not
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concerned about their jobs they they're just trying to basically throw gasoline on the fire
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why do you think it is that they haven't some of them haven't crossed the floor to join the
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conservatives i don't know there's so many factors um we had spoken to someone who used to be a liberal mp
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and had told us it's not so easy to just cross the floor you have to worry about your staff number one
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and i mean these staff they are wonderful human beings trying to do a job for the country trying
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to do a job for their mp and they build these strong relationships and to just say okay well i've decided
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to leave the party and leave you which you may or may not have a job after this i think that's hard
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on a personal level well and the other the other reason is because further to uh to the staffers
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actually work for them in in their parliament office you have to consider the electrodistrictor
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association that actually put them there as well because they've been using funding and resources
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up to that point and then to all of a sudden say okay liberal eda i'm out of here um you're you're
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really going to burn a lot of bridges and you don't even know if the conservatives are even going
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to take you i think i think if any of them were going to try pierre and the conservatives would just
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shut it down because they would be immediately criticized and open themselves to criticism from
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the bloc and from the ndp in the following way wait a minute pierre you've been saying that all these
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liberals have been voting on the carbon tax voting on this voting on that and create all these policies
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you just accepted one of those people that has been voting for this this whole time into the
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conservative party so what message does that send to canadians that you would be willing to accept
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one of these liberals that you've been criticizing so um i think that's probably one of the reasons they
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haven't um as as tony said there's many many reasons so i don't think it's a possibility well and
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above and beyond that um the conservatives have already chosen their candidates for many many of the
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ridings i know all of the ones here in hamilton except for one that i know of um do have a
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candidate chosen so if you have some liberal now that wants to come and be part of the party that
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is um in a writing that's chosen a candidate already what are you supposed to say to that
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candidate you know all the time and money that you spend on your nomination well too bad because
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we've got a different guy um i don't think that's fair to the candidates who have worked very
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hard for the conservative party from the beginning and are just waiting for that writ to draw
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right and and so what do you what do you guys think is is going to happen um say let's say uh
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justin trudeau does lead the liberals into the next election i imagine it's going to be a very
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a very uh what's the best word to describe it uh it won't be competitive that's for sure but it will be
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it will be nasty i think and there will be lots of attacks there will be some surprises some stories
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uh about both candidates both leaders but what are you guys looking to see and what do you guys
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think is going to happen in uh i presume in october i can't imagine the liberals are going to try to
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pull the plug early on an inevitable defeat so let's say it is in october what do you guys think
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is going to happen well i think that um the one thing canadians need to be prepared for
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is the numbers the way they are in the polls now that's not what they're going to end up at election
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day uh i think most people in the news understand that because that's just the nature of campaigns
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but canadians that have been watching the polls maybe some of you for the first time you need to
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understand that those numbers will narrow so um people don't need to be concerned about that
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because the numbers are going to be closer as things move around but i think i think you're going to see
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some really desperate attacks from from the liberals i think you're going to see um pierre probably at
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his best in in antagonizing justin trudeau through this i think justin trudeau's i think he's going to
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be very frustrated and you you may even see some meltdowns from him at some of his events because
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he's used to campaigning going in doing fun things do it being the hip guy but the problem is is he is so
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disliked now that he's not going to get that same response and i think he's going to get continually
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frustrated as the campaign moves on and even if he wins wins his seat which he's expected to i think
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you will see him see how the election unfolds he'll probably resign his seat after he wins and then he
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will fade into obscurity unfortunately until until if there is an rcmp investigation that does continue
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on the snc lavalent obstruction of justice justice charge which there is no statute of a limitation
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i honestly don't think it's going to go to october of next year even nick nanos is saying it's not
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going to go to october of next year and uh nanos polling is generally liberal leaning so um if he's
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saying it i believe it um i think that it's it's the ground game is going to be what sets this apart
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and canadians can help the eda of their choice whether that's conservative liberal ndp etc by getting
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involved in your eda and going door knocking and helping and volunteering that's what's going to
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make this election is boots on the ground you know the 2021 election was so nasty from justin trudeau
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the liberal tactics of wedging canadians using the vaccine to wedge canadians um and using abortion to
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wedge canadians it was so nasty and disappointing to watch i just hope that the the party leaders can
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actually fight each other with some with with some level of respect for the voter and not and not
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just intentionally trying to burn the country down to get the result they want i'm i'm really hoping
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that both party leaders can do this with some respect for the electorate and not just try to
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divide families and divide households like like what we saw in the last election we'll have to leave it
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there we'll talk about it much more as we as the new year progresses but until then thank you all for
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watching we will see you next week
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